Post A5852Y5TcUIFCAwjY0 by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
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(DIR) Post #A51keD3uyWiD0OZgB6 by cadadr@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-03-09T07:51:12Z
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"Github no longer supports this web browser."Gitlab loops you on a "checking your browser" web page.Good job, W3C.Welcome back to days of Internet Explorer, but there are three Internet Explorers: the one Google makes, the one Google feeds, and the one Google stole which was in turn stolen from KDE.If you don't use one of these, whether your browser can support standards is of no substance.Web is like those public toilets which you look at then go, "I'd rather go into the woods.".
(DIR) Post #A51keDqU3xYnR1ISsS by cadadr@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-03-09T07:56:27Z
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At least, back in the day, the divide between IE and others was a functional divide: IE had one set of functions, sometimes useful, and the others didn't/couldn't.Now, it's basically having the wrong user agent string or fingerprint. There's no big difference between Firefox 57, Chrome from 2 years ago, or Safari, Edge, or whatever, apart from version numbers, with regards to rendering standards compliant web pages.
(DIR) Post #A52ptcDWQTLyIKBxrM by TransGal4872@fedi.absturztau.be
2021-03-09T20:35:11.018201Z
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@cadadr actually, chromium kinda sucks at rendering html and xhtml, it's only compatible with html5.It's almost as if chromium is the modern internet explorer waitaminute
(DIR) Post #A52puAMDUeViB8WO8G by publius@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-03-09T20:35:14Z
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@cadadr A great deal of this mess comes from the drive to use the Web browser as a "platform" for applications ― in effect, an operating system, rather than a document viewer. (I'm sure I've said this before.) The most positive thing I can say about this is that it strikes me as a truly boneheaded approach to the problem of cross-platform compatibility!
(DIR) Post #A52qbQ4uv2GnO93RWS by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2021-03-09T20:43:05.385522Z
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@cadadr > Good job, W3C.Well it's basically a group of corporations, nothing really surprising there.> the one Google stole which was in turn stolen from KDEI guess you're referring to WebKit being a fork of KHTML here, but Google has barely anything to do with it, it's mostly Apple and GNOME plus embedded developers.And Blink is just a fancy name for a component in chromium's monorepo.Yes having basically only WebKit left is annoying but we knew that one for decades, heck that's why WebKit was created, Apple preferred to use KHTML than start from scratch.
(DIR) Post #A52qzPszHms3k2uvVw by cadadr@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-03-09T20:47:22Z
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@publius The saddest part of it in my case is that I was on the bandwagon for a long time, after when this shitshow started early 2010s. In hindsight, there were a lot of clues, and more should've seen that it wouldn't end with a couple fancy "semantic tags" and some CSS QoL.More globally sad part is, all this stuff is unused. Notifications? Only for spam. Websockets? Mostly for spyware. <canvas? Spyware. CSS3? Who doesn't use Sass/Less/...? HTML5? Everything's in JSX now.
(DIR) Post #A52sWcIEHFvXjS7QGG by cadadr@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-03-09T20:56:43Z
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@lanodan> Well it's basically a group of corporations, nothing really surprising there.A lot of the gullible among us, me included, believed good would come out of that. For me, it took the standardisation of DRM for things to finally click 😢 > I guess you're referring to ...I meant Apple blagged it off of KDE folks, then Google finally strong armed Apple to the side to conquer the project. WebKit seems to have fallen out of favour, everybody's using the Chromium platform. (IIRC, ofc)
(DIR) Post #A52sWcjWdllH66tDo8 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2021-03-09T21:04:38.306803Z
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@cadadr (Please avoid delete+redraft in mentions; it's hell for notifications and replying)Google barely touched WebKit, get your sources right.And WebKit always was a quite small thing in the web, basically had Apple's user-share, KHTML being even worse at that, basically because even if Unixes would have a user-share it wouldn't be KHTML but Opera or Netscape/Firefox.Safari exists in generic webdev ressources, rest of WebKit usually isn't seen at all, I never seen Konqueror/KHTML in them.The only one I'm salty about in the engine things is Mozilla, they killed mozembed/XULRunner. Meaning you can't use Firefox in embeddeds anymore since ~2014 without ugly hacks.And all gecko-based browsers are either dead or moved to WebKit.
(DIR) Post #A52xqx9Ax58XyKOt7o by TransGal4872@fedi.absturztau.be
2021-03-09T22:04:19.560765Z
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@lanodan @cadadr what about waterfox?
(DIR) Post #A52y2z05t18HCBtAXY by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2021-03-09T22:06:30.642933Z
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@TransGal4872 @cadadr See https://hacktivis.me/projects/badwolf/fqa#security
(DIR) Post #A52zEDeTqx1hm9hWng by jauntywunderkind420@cybre.space
2021-03-09T22:19:38Z
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@publius @cadadr i'm imagining what a hell hole computing would be if windows or osx were the only platform choices we ever got.the web being a platform, being available for all kinds of people to make anything & get it online & accessible in front of other people, has been world changing.i hear such heartless "the web should have stuck to static documents" comments all the time & it hurts so much to think people would insist online media constrain itself, limit itself to some narrow preconceived definition & not flourish, not enmesh itself more with computing & develop.
(DIR) Post #A534tfYtUNnJyqfkIq by TransGal4872@fedi.absturztau.be
2021-03-09T23:23:16.262308Z
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@cadadr I'm still waiting for the smalltalk-based network stack we were all supposed to get before apple screwed everything up with hypertalk
(DIR) Post #A5359OPN28VLPeiPK4 by LukeAlmighty@gameliberty.club
2021-03-09T23:26:05Z
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@cadadr Don't be so unfair.there are thousands of good browsers.You have:ChromeChrome stripped of trackingChrome with build it security toolsChrome with ads that are used to grow treesChrome with slightly changed UIoh....
(DIR) Post #A53Blc7N6oXqf5uAOO by sjb@mstdn.io
2021-03-09T23:36:42Z
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@cadadr Why do Github and Gitlab need to exist?
(DIR) Post #A53JjN9IainNI5FT2u by cadadr@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-03-09T07:58:57Z
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@ljwrites Well, yes and no. Qutebrowser uses QtWebEngine, which is AFAIU basically Blink.There's no function that Github needs that the browser can not do. It's just the name of it.It's basically discrimination.
(DIR) Post #A53Jm02Wy1EWUIKrcu by cadadr@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-03-09T08:19:52Z
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@ljwrites Tried that couple weeks ago, I guess they're generally sniffing a lot of things. I have canvas, webgl etc. disabled, but even with a clean profile they behave the same.Some time soon I should build the latest qutebrowser release and see how that behaves, but yeah, pretty sad indeed at the end of the day.Given also that the people that do this are people who rooted for standards back in early 2010s. All they wanted was a better IE, the liars.
(DIR) Post #A53JpltlUDGBms2AS0 by cadadr@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-03-09T09:40:01Z
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@ljwrites We're in such a different age now and indeed, MS was basically selling an SDK whereas now we've become the SDK.And it's for absolutely zero gain. The ad-tech machines that are built are literally at most on the par with an experienced guy saying "these fools would buy this thing maybe".I don't think chopping up Google would help that much. Ad tech should be criminalised, it's an industry of make-believe, but we've made it the cogs of our world.
(DIR) Post #A53jXW0MRAti5d4gHA by vurpo@mstdn.io
2021-03-10T06:58:39Z
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@cadadr Is using free software/open source software according to the terms explicitly allowed in its license "stealing"?
(DIR) Post #A53r4uhuJZx1wEJdJ2 by alcinnz@floss.social
2021-03-09T22:29:57Z
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@cadadr What strikes me is that the W3C now drafts their standards on Github! So you're saying you can't collaborate on those standards in the standards-complient browser of your choice?A good reason for me to self-host the git repository for my own implementation(s)...
(DIR) Post #A53r4v2p3ogIz66KuG by icedquinn@blob.cat
2021-03-10T08:23:06.906387Z
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@alcinnz @cadadr the standards body is fully captured, so ...i'm honestly surprised they even bother with a spec considering they gave up with formal versioning.
(DIR) Post #A54rGnYcuvlcOfbMsi by cadadr@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-03-10T08:41:00Z
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@TransGal4872 Smalltalk based network stack sounds absolutely like the kind of thing I'd love to know more about. Any links? Would love to read them.
(DIR) Post #A54rQwPqpvUKlbKk1w by TransGal4872@fedi.absturztau.be
2021-03-10T20:01:50.087556Z
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@cadadr I just remember hearing that the guy who invented mosaic eas originally going to use smalltalk before he invented javascript
(DIR) Post #A54vasf23JnXphQfwG by publius@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-03-10T20:48:24Z
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@jauntywunderkind420 @cadadr Is what you're describing actually happening? If so, where, & in what way? I'm seeing lots of people creating "apps" for the iPhone & Android walled gardens, & other people creating interesting software for one or another desktop operating system, often with help from the packaging systems built into several of the major *NIX distributions ; but most of the interactions I have with a Web browser, that I actually want to have, involve viewing documents.
(DIR) Post #A57ZyCTgvM4ORBidhA by swiley@qoto.org
2021-03-10T02:17:50Z
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@cadadr @publius web notifications are the *only* way to get PM notifications from discord without violating the ToS or installing their closed app.
(DIR) Post #A57ZyCuzHru7nqURF2 by clacke@libranet.de
2021-03-12T01:14:07Z
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@swiley @publius @cadadr Is this praise for the web or an example of how it ruins things?
(DIR) Post #A57ZyDJnnbkn2o6Fv6 by cadadr@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-03-12T03:19:32Z
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@clacke @publius @swiley I guess a bit of both. We started with a nice advancement in technology, HTML5 et al, that materially improved our lives at times, but we then generated a socially, economically, and by now technically bankrupt mess, because ad tech, VC, and GAFAM (basically capitalism).
(DIR) Post #A57ZyDl6A7aWPSs3Sy by clacke@libranet.de
2021-03-12T03:26:24Z
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@cadadr @publius @swiley I liked the idea of HTML5 when it came out and the WHATWG started their work, because I was affected by the same forces as society at large ( https://libranet.de/display/0b6b25a8-2060-4a20-8337-e5d242230445 ), but at this point it all seems like a mistake, for two reasons:One is late-stage capitalism and its subset surveillance capitalism.The other is because it was probably the wrong place to put things, even though it Seemed Like A Good Idea At The Time. Incremental improvements at its worst: You now need to participate in the App Web to read all of the Document Web, and we should probably have split that better.
(DIR) Post #A57ZyE9ufrRBeQTs92 by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-03-12T03:30:16.613032Z
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@clacke @cadadr @publius @swiley the app web is pretty old, if you include things like CGI scripts. the difference between data and code became blurry pretty quickly. at some point someone decided it would be better to move much of the interactivity to the client side and oops
(DIR) Post #A5852Y5TcUIFCAwjY0 by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
2021-03-12T05:53:09Z
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@thor @clacke @cadadr @publius @swiley That's actually part of the core design of HTTP going back over twenty years. I'll go into that a bit in my @fossasia talk on Thursday, and the main reason I think the web is a dead end.It's not about client side code per se, though, but more about how the combination of client side code, server side code and underspecified interactions between them creates data silos.
(DIR) Post #A5852YevUgeKy7X2no by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
2021-03-12T05:56:10Z
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@thor @clacke @cadadr @publius @swiley @fossasia And then serving the user needs just isn't attractive any longer if as a business you can do exploit the user's dependence on you. The web has become the world's largest dongle.Surveillance capitalism is just shifting the motivations for users to participate towards tricking them into thinking stuff is free. It's bad, but the reasons are elsewhere, somewhat.
(DIR) Post #A58O11jYK3cFgxgBGK by clacke@libranet.de
2021-03-11T13:47:38Z
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@sjb @cadadr Because:1. We broke the P2P internet with IPv4 and NAT. This got people into the habit of client-server.2. We broke the P2P internet with http-only firewalls or fully blocking firewalls with http proxies. This got people into the habit of using http for everything, even for XMPP.3. We didn't develop any other rich UI remote protocol with relatively low requirements on latency and bandwidth. This reinforced the tendency to cram applications into hypertext documents whether they fit or not. We got very good at workarounds.
(DIR) Post #A58O12CyYf9TADRg7k by humanetech@mastodon.social
2021-03-12T09:32:47Z
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@clacke @cadadr @sjb Much as I hate it Moxie has a point on the reason to centralize #signal:> We got to HTTP version 1.1 in 1997, and have been stuck there until now. Likewise, SMTP, IRC, DNS, XMPP, are all similarly frozen in time circa the late 1990s. To answer his question, that’s how far the internet got. It got to the late 90s. That has taken us pretty far, but it’s undeniable that once you federate your protocol, it becomes very difficult to make changes.https://signal.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving/
(DIR) Post #A58O12aN9froKmOMam by rysiek@mastodon.social
2021-03-12T09:35:24Z
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@humanetech @clacke @cadadr @sjb and you are writing this on fediverse, a federated platform with thousands of servers, multiple server implementations, and dozens of apps, that has gone through substantial changes over several years already?Uh-huh.
(DIR) Post #A58O130ba8qne8fJTs by humanetech@mastodon.social
2021-03-12T09:42:00Z
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@rysiek @clacke @cadadr @sjb and for which I am heavily advocating too, yes. And I fiercely hope that it will truly soar.I absolutely adore the all-foss fediverse, and see it as a possible "social media reimagined" and a change for humane tech to thrive.But I also see that things are evolving quite slowly, and its hard to e.g. set up the FEP process. The number of devs involved is also not all that large (referring to SocialCG / SocialHub, the focal hub for coordination wrt innovation).
(DIR) Post #A58O13Qq0bpmxUwGMy by rysiek@mastodon.social
2021-03-12T09:46:09Z
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@humanetech @clacke @cadadr @sjb meanwhile, moxie focuses on implementing stickers and adding a cryptocurrency to #Signal:https://www.coindesk.com/secure-messaging-app-signal-reportedly-toying-with-crypto-payments...because Signal Desktop client is famously a fantastically usable piece of software that has no bigger problems whatsoever. Also, no clients on less popular but privacy-friendly platforms (librem5, pinephone without android) clearly not an issue.I'll take the fediverse approach any time, thanks.
(DIR) Post #A58O13oEbcY883swq0 by humanetech@mastodon.social
2021-03-12T09:53:20Z
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@rysiek @clacke @cadadr @sjb well, I feel exactly the same as you do on this position of Signal. It was not for an endorsement of Signal, but just for that particular point Moxy made and which I quoted. Evolving a federated protocol is a tough job.My hope is that in general more fedi devs spend a tiny bit more of their attention there, besides focusing on their own projects, as everyone stands to benefit.This is a hard thing, because it costs time: humanity's most precious commodity :)
(DIR) Post #A58O14AZGaPjFKKmeG by rysiek@mastodon.social
2021-03-12T09:57:08Z
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@humanetech @clacke @cadadr @sjb fair. But moxie's blogpost is really not the best thing to use as an example here. It honestly reads as if moxie was trying to find justifications, not reasons, for his position (actual reasons being more related to want of control for control's sake). To me it sounds disingenuous, as did his #36C3 talk.But sorry for butting-in with my knee-jerk! :blobcatcoffee:
(DIR) Post #A58O14U4660gDnSM2S by humanetech@mastodon.social
2021-03-12T09:47:08Z
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@rysiek @clacke @cadadr @sjb I wrote about some of my worries in the collapsed region in this post: https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/rationale-for-participation-in-socialhub/1486Also I am trying to more broader discussion going on what we can achieve with fediverse / federation in Fediverse Futures category: https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/c/fediversity/fediverse-futures/58Hoping to attract other tech roles to the community, like UX, QA, tech writers, more advocates, etc..
(DIR) Post #A58O14ZNmKGOUHwbKK by humanetech@mastodon.social
2021-03-12T09:59:29Z
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@rysiek @clacke @cadadr @sjb questioning Moxie's rationale for writing is fair too, and I have zero problems with you 'butting-in', ha ha. Keeps us all sharp! 👍 😀
(DIR) Post #A58O15C1SfAiQ81SYS by rysiek@mastodon.social
2021-03-12T10:00:07Z
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@humanetech @clacke @cadadr @sjb 💜
(DIR) Post #A58O15ejju8lrBSOJM by rysiek@mastodon.social
2021-03-12T10:13:32Z
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I am so sorry, @humanetech. 😉
(DIR) Post #A58O161QNYHwzY4Vfs by humanetech@mastodon.social
2021-03-12T10:15:49Z
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@rysiek 🤣 🤣 spot on :D
(DIR) Post #A58O16QaryQCFbqbuC by humanetech@mastodon.social
2021-03-12T10:21:16Z
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@rysiek am hoping to keep up my advocacy for fedi, but I spend too much time already and it is to my own detriment (avocacy vs. income / smoke from the chimney).Would like to create a Fediverse Futures site on Codeberg to accompany the forum.Also SocialCG / SocialHub needs to rally community, encourage more activity, but takes veritable tons of time.Maybe the community needs a donation-funded foundation that enables people to spend more time on these things. Most devs lack bandwidth.
(DIR) Post #A58O16k5hU19E4yBIO by rysiek@mastodon.social
2021-03-12T10:33:28Z
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@humanetech I think that would be a good idea. @cwebber asked an important question on one of the calls, which is: how do we get policymakers etc to know about fediverse and treat fediverse seriously?One of the ways is to have a semi-professionalized activist org supporting it.A related idea: a lot of people are making money on fedi (that's a good thing!). There are developers, microhosting companies, etc. That's something that could be represented by a "chamber of commerce" style org.
(DIR) Post #A58O17C61MQ2cw4Xwm by rysiek@mastodon.social
2021-03-12T10:34:17Z
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@humanetech @cwebber and for politicians that's a difference between "oh them weird hackers" and "business owners! job creators! entrepreneurs!!" 😉
(DIR) Post #A58O17dkMYXM0h0d2u by rysiek@mastodon.social
2021-03-12T10:38:43Z
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@humanetech the pitch to users, developers, mastohosters and other fedifolk would be:important fedi-affecting legislation is being passed or discussed: - implementation of the Copyright Directive - discussion on Digital Services Act and Digital Markets Act: https://ec.europa.eu/info/strategy/priorities-2019-2024/europe-fit-digital-age/digital-markets-act-ensuring-fair-and-open-digital-markets_en https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/digital-services-act-packageAnd fedi needs to have a loud, well-resourced voice.
(DIR) Post #A58OOIX22A0QRzv3aK by Spanishflu@freespeechextremist.com
2021-03-12T12:54:16.960438Z
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@rysiek @humanetech @cwebber You're a fucking idiot. The moment politicians start paying attention to fediverse they will demand it's censored and declare it a hub of terrorism when they find out it can't be. The further they stay away the better. Many people are here to get away from the politician influence forced on the internet.
(DIR) Post #A58OewrFrzNY9ZJmNs by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2021-03-12T12:57:17.508601Z
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@Spanishflu @humanetech @cwebber @rysiek eh, if we beat them to public opinion, it'd be fun. Imagine politicians trying to suddenly claim Twitter is a terrorist platform.
(DIR) Post #A58OjGemCUdciTXb8q by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2021-03-12T12:58:04.348239Z
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@rysiek @humanetech @cwebber @Spanishflu ... Damn, I should have said Tiktok.
(DIR) Post #A58RzGZUaJx8wpODfk by Spanishflu@freespeechextremist.com
2021-03-12T13:34:34.731936Z
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@Zerglingman @cwebber @humanetech @rysiek You're not going to beat them to public opinion. They control the media and you have no outreach.
(DIR) Post #A58TWOZlwefJHesixM by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2021-03-12T13:51:46.272440Z
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@Spanishflu @rysiek @humanetech @cwebber heh
(DIR) Post #A58jWuJ7ZCxaxoMKLA by cadadr@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-03-12T03:52:34Z
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@clacke @publius @swiley I wrote and deleted it a couple times because I couldn't express the analogy as nice as I wanted but IMO there's some connections to be drawn between post HTML5 web and how cars broke cities.
(DIR) Post #A58jWunFlB3yTGSOJ6 by be@fosstodon.org
2021-03-12T04:00:13Z
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@cadadr @clacke @publius @swiley That's a really interesting analogy. Can you elaborate?
(DIR) Post #A58jWvFy2Q21uJtK40 by cadadr@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-03-12T10:40:40Z
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@be When cars became a commodity they started to shape our cities. Pedestrians were defenseless meatballs so they had to comply. Soon enough we started building entire cities around cars, esp. in North America, such that not having one meant you couldn't fetch your basic needs even. A more detailed history of this is available in videos of City Beautiful and Not Just Bikes on YouTube, tho surely there would be books that go way more in depth. In any case, now we're1/@clacke @publius @swiley
(DIR) Post #A58jWvpPucO7gGTdJo by cadadr@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-03-12T10:47:13Z
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@be left with cities that are dependent on this tech that's inevitably a waste and a huge pollutant, whether it be petrol, or even electric, given a car that uses up so much material and space to carry just one person, even if it was a perpetual motion machine, would be a waste, if of nothing else time as it'd inevitably lead to traffic jams where suburbia meets the urban.Why di that happen? It happened because it was profitable. Car people sold cars, gas people2/@clacke @publius @swiley
(DIR) Post #A58jWwT7X09BfP3LCi by cadadr@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-03-12T10:53:15Z
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@be sold gas, builders built inefficient houses, etc. So it kept on happening, despite being a terrible way of urban design and housing. Now we're in huge crisis part due to our motorised lives, and the solution is public and/or green transport.In a similar vein, in the 2000s, especially 2010s, the web became the core tech that everything happened around, because there was money to be made. Tech entreprise commodified our data and our gaze. Soon the tech that's3/@clacke @publius @swiley
(DIR) Post #A58jWx1rRpw7P9J5M0 by cadadr@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-03-12T10:57:50Z
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@be useful to them became the thing we desing the entire internet around, where we're stuck with inefficient tech stacks, our social lives hostage to silos, and the set up is optimised to maximise profits, with no care whatsoever to whether people affected by these trends are okay. People, especially those that aren't affluent able bodied people of the "correct" social background, are a second thought, just like they were in car centric cities. They want to vilify4/ @clacke @publius @swiley
(DIR) Post #A58jWxqCQgCbvGrHoe by swiley@qoto.org
2021-03-12T11:04:52Z
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@cadadr I hate web crap as much as the next guy (probably a little more since I grew up in the rural US where bad internet is all you can get and most webdevs really don't think about what using their app in a situation like that does.)But again, some of this sounds pretty silly on mastodon: a tool using the ActivityPub web standard that allows your social media to be silo free. Most of the web is also a far better alternative to the platforms Google and Apple are pushing on everyone. @be @clacke @publius
(DIR) Post #A58jWy8zIpEOrXeI6K by cadadr@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-03-12T11:02:00Z
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@be ad blockers and piracy just like they did with "jaywalkers" and homelessnes. Criminalise away the undesirables.Tech wise, what we have is highly inefficient, just like cars and car-topia, but it's desirable, because just like public transport is, the solution to terribleness of web is boring, it already exists, is not luxurious, and ultimately does not generate obscene amounts of money out of thin air, unlike ad tech or venture capital. So we continue to5/ @clacke @publius @swiley
(DIR) Post #A58jWyNAS6ZdZWHcCe by be@fosstodon.org
2021-03-12T11:59:02Z
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@swiley @cadadr @clacke @publius I don't think anyone is saying that all web tech is bad or that it has no good uses. But when I see shit like this... wtf?!https://djtechtools.com/2021/03/03/beatport-dj-new-web-based-app-streamlines-workflow-for-crate-digging-set-curation-track-prep/
(DIR) Post #A58jWzFPCRxWHjevk8 by cadadr@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-03-12T11:06:47Z
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@be accumulate profitable inefficiencies, despite their harm to ecosystems they're found within, whether literal or metaphorical.So that's a fairly uncooked one, as I didn't really thing it that long through, and of course no analogy is perfect, but both cases are examples of how capital and social good is at odds and conflict ensues that helps no one and nothing, and the solution is not through innovation or entreprise but community action.6/6 @clacke @publius @swiley
(DIR) Post #A58l4t5kh1FKzesBCy by robbystk@layer8.space
2021-03-12T16:47:02Z
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@cadadr On the negative impact of cars on cities, see also: https://www.strongtowns.org/stmedia@be @clacke @publius @swiley
(DIR) Post #A58l4tX33X54MJdykq by publius@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-03-12T17:09:27Z
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@robbystk @cadadr @be @clacke @swiley I'm familiar. Not 100% on board with the viewpoints expressed, in particular because of the disregard of, or even mockery directed toward, electric street railways, which are an incredibly powerful tool of urban mobility. But a lot of what is said is sensible.
(DIR) Post #A59Kk9v8Wda7SJK4H2 by cadadr@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-03-12T23:49:06Z
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@publius As someone who used them a lot esp. during my undergrad in Istanbul, my observation is they have their upsides and downsides. They have to mix in with the all the traffic at least sometimes which can slow them down a lot. But they are way smoother to ride compared to buses, and of course greener and way more silent. And from my experience in Eskişehir, they are a great fit for small <1mln cities, where a metro network would be an overkill.@robbystk @be @clacke @swiley
(DIR) Post #A59RdREaSEd2nzA9xo by publius@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-03-13T01:06:19Z
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@cadadr @robbystk @be @clacke @swiley Streetcars are also exceedingly useful for peripheral circulation in large metropolitan areas. Basically, an underground is most suitable for the most heavily built-up areas, but you can then carry a lot of traffic on streetcar lines which serve medium density areas around or on the fringes of the subway area. Munich & Toronto both do this effectively (although more lines are desperately needed in both cities).
(DIR) Post #A59S0hD1E8BZ0hWGie by publius@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-03-13T01:10:32Z
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@cadadr @robbystk @be @clacke @swiley Helsinki is another place which co-ordinates streetcars with subways. Also the northernmost subway in the world, which I have ridden ― by apparently about 50 km compared to that of Petrograd! Not, however, the most northerly electric street railway, which is elsewhere in Finland, & which I have not ridden.
(DIR) Post #A59SR65rKU8RiXlAKe by nev@bananachips.club
2021-03-13T01:15:15Z
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@publius @cadadr @robbystk @clacke *crashes through wall like Kool-Aid Man* did someone say TORONTO TRANSITbasically, the cost of a subway and the optimal ridership is so high that in many cases, street-level transit like light rail/trams/streetcars is better. wrt toronto, our city is on a grid layout and the main subway lines are north-south and east-west, so it is easy for streetcar and bus routes to feed into the subway lines.
(DIR) Post #A59TuncMgb433dgtm4 by cadadr@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-03-13T01:31:51Z
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@publius hmm, that's probably what makes Istanbul's T1 tram line suck so bad at times, as it's one of the busiest rail lines, and it sections some of the busiest and worst designed roads. Same with the Metrobüs bus rapid transport system. @robbystk @be @clacke @swiley
(DIR) Post #A59WBUlsD6ixRAEA9Q by publius@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-03-13T01:57:17Z
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@cadadr @robbystk @be @clacke @swiley Unfortunately, in the day I spent in Istanbul, I didn't get a chance to explore the transit system. That's something I like to do when I visit somewhere : just ride transit around the city.
(DIR) Post #A5AVjkhhUqTVRltbYO by dsfgs@activism.openworlds.info
2021-03-12T14:47:53Z
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Not sure it needs a foundation. Money is finding its way in. Whether some is darkMoney is another story.As @humanetech knows we developed a (#)FediFlyer that people can print and adapt. If you want more local residents on Fedi, a few thousand letterboxed or given out on your commutes, asking, "Just a bit fed up with the online algos?", does the trick.Replacable content on flyers with BugBounties, feature bounties etc.See our pinned posts also.@rysiek @clacke @cadadr @sjb
(DIR) Post #A5AVjlGnOMY1CcJdFw by dsfgs@activism.openworlds.info
2021-03-12T14:56:37Z
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@humanetechThere's been some documentation of how foundations and roundtables go with federated systems. In 2014, a bunch of bitcoins devs and investors got together to hash out stuff and that apparently didn't get much done. At the end of the day the people/users/nodes decided.Users on Fedi are semi-anonymous so polls and voting won't work and only encourage #CAGFAM to use their… socks.If we make bad decisions, we'll know when discourse quality deteriorates.@rysiek @clacke @cadadr @sjb
(DIR) Post #A5AVjlcm4e82ImbBVw by humanetech@mastodon.social
2021-03-13T06:20:05Z
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@dsfgs @rysiek @clacke @cadadr @sjb Dunno if the BTC example applies, with people putting themselves into authority in a greed-based system.My worry is that strength of fedi - decentralization - is also its weakness. That fragmentation, lack of coordination leads to very slow pace of innovation. That while we happily, organically but complacently grow at snail speed, the world is passing us by. That we become the 'bulletin boards' left behind, while people slowly jump to the next thing.1/2
(DIR) Post #A5AVjm1aaNyhXkD0C0 by humanetech@mastodon.social
2021-03-13T06:24:09Z
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@dsfgs @rysiek @clacke @cadadr @sjb Though never as successful as fedi is now, decentralized tech world is full of tombstones like that and the article's warnings in my old post very much applies:https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/are-we-ready-for-the-threats-to-the-fediverse-and-decentralization-movement/810But other than that a professional foundation is needed if we want to pitch as THE interop standard candidate to the EU for their Digital Services / Markets Acts.We simply have no interesting story to tell politicians atm.
(DIR) Post #A5AVjmRT2Ag6q0JfWq by humanetech@mastodon.social
2021-03-13T06:30:58Z
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@dsfgs @rysiek @clacke @cadadr @sjb Suppose EU chooses an interoperability standard and/or a big tech corp (i.e. Twitter with Jack Dorsey's Bluesky project) does..Then there are two questions that rise for fediverse:a) if they’d choose AP could we handle it?b) if they’d choose another tech could we handle it?I know many people say "Fedi can handle anything", but the question is whether that is true without good coordination.Imho fedi may be weaker than we think it is. A brittle gem.
(DIR) Post #A5Ay6dny6sgVQYWvtg by witchescauldron@activism.openworlds.info
2021-03-13T17:03:49Z
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@bob @bhaugen @humanetech @frank87 @rysiek @sjb @dsfgs @cadadr I did a summing up Bluesky thinking of a "governance" body of the #fedivers http://hamishcampbell.com/index.php/2021/03/13/bluesky-thinking-of-a-governance-body-of-the-fedivers/ this is in reaction to the tried calling for a foundation to be the voice of the fedivers.
(DIR) Post #A5Ay6pJDL3DL6eEXcu by witchescauldron@activism.openworlds.info
2021-03-13T17:08:00Z
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@bob @bhaugen @humanetech @frank87 @rysiek @sjb @dsfgs @cadadr of course these alt ideas have been tried in the offline world and they generally DONOT work. But this is no reason to go down the dead end of "liberal" foundation governances that also does not work :)We need fresh ideas or to reboot something from before the #deathcult perverted all our thinking, likely a safer option :)
(DIR) Post #A5B0Ev9ThLmTS8fPVY by rysiek@mastodon.social
2021-03-13T10:58:31Z
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@humanetech @dsfgs @clacke @cadadr @sjb I think we *do* have *many* interesting stories.One is what @Argus talks about in his fedi vs. the trolls talk.Another would be about how we don't need Big Tech to have social media (and other services),Yet another would be how creators don't have to be subject to Big Tech's whims to find their audience.And yet another would be how there are alternative funding models both for software development and for art, and they *work*.We need a voice.
(DIR) Post #A5B0EvfNmjIl35atEm by humanetech@mastodon.social
2021-03-13T11:11:22Z
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@rysiek @dsfgs @clacke @cadadr @sjb @Argus Agreed, I probably chose the wrong words.. we've plenty of compelling fedi arguments.Interoperability standard sales pitch though..If a politician asks "If CompanyX wants to federate, what should they do?" we say:There's a great W3C AS/AP that builds on other specs and then we have de-facto standards to plug some intentional holes. For this delve into numerous repo's, find hidden complexity, ask around and discuss on our not-so-active community.
(DIR) Post #A5B0Ew3UL6aGFqs8oK by humanetech@mastodon.social
2021-03-13T11:16:28Z
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@rysiek @dsfgs @clacke @cadadr @sjb @Argus That's part of having a voice, but there's more to it. Having more docs, easier onboarding, processes for interop, etc.Also most of the interop use cases that are focused on, deal mostly with a Microblogging domain. There are a bunch of other business domains that implement activitypub, but they aren't well-integrated, and the process is a try/error, mashing into microblogging.The Linked Data aspects/ vocabulary extensions parts are underused.
(DIR) Post #A5B0EwT0oD05X0oWau by rysiek@mastodon.social
2021-03-13T11:23:02Z
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@humanetech @dsfgs @clacke @cadadr @sjb the other way to go about it is to argue for interoperability and openness, come up with a particular set of rules for what an open, interoperable standard is, without necessarily saying it needs to be AP.If Big Tech is forced to implement any open, interoperable standard that's already a win.
(DIR) Post #A5B0EwqPPDiQhZlD3w by cadadr@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-03-13T12:48:58Z
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@rysiek> If Big Tech is forced to implement any open, interoperable standard that's already a win.That's a double edged sword tho, because big tech can also easily conquer an open standard, just like it did with the whole Internet. @humanetech @dsfgs @clacke @sjb
(DIR) Post #A5B0ExD62rrbpwNKQS by rysiek@mastodon.social
2021-03-13T12:54:51Z
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@cadadr @humanetech @dsfgs @clacke @sjb dunno man, e-mail is doing fine. Not great, but fine.And in the case of Big Tech vs. fedi, how would "winning" look like for Big Tech? I mean, they don't get to tell fedi developers what to implement and how. They have no trademarks, copyrights, patents on fedi-related stuff. They already have almost all of the users anyway. And instance admins could and would easily block federation with them.I don't see the threat here. What would it be?
(DIR) Post #A5B0ExfSLQY5Ftdyd6 by dredmorbius@toot.cat
2021-03-13T18:38:23Z
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@rysiek Business attracts and controls capital. It can dictate and create the most viable development track, hire tech talent, buy (or create) publicity, create vendor agreements (hardware and software), licence content, creators, and channels, lobby for regulation, deregulation, legislation, or criminal / national security investigations. It can create, capture, kill, or control standards.As with telegraphy, telephony, radio, television, cable TV, SMTP, NNTP, RSS, HTML, all ports other than 22, 80/443 and 25/465 (approved hosts only), Linux (Android), and BSD (MacOS / iOS), init (systemd), podcasts (Spotify), et cetera, ad nauseam.@cadadr @humanetech @dsfgs@activism.openworlds.info @clacke @sjb
(DIR) Post #A5B0Ey62kZoeaM5D4S by rysiek@mastodon.social
2021-03-13T18:41:53Z
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@dredmorbius @cadadr @humanetech @clacke @sjb only if standards are controlled by capital. Which is not the case with fediverse.I mean, even if all current developers fall on their heads and decide to startup the shit out of fedi, some other people will come, take the last decent version, and fork. And users can flow, as they have even through the way harder transition from walled gardens to fedi.
(DIR) Post #A5B0EyVZDgETrW1ar2 by sjb@mstdn.io
2021-03-13T18:49:56Z
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@rysiek @dredmorbius @cadadr @humanetech @clacke I usually see the main stumbling block as the walled gardens. In an ideal world I'd require Twitter/Facebook to provide user RSS feeds accessible from outside. Maybe that could come from the antitrust suit that's brewing in the US ;)
(DIR) Post #A5B0EyguXVJ4QhKeXI by rysiek@mastodon.social
2021-03-13T12:58:45Z
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@cadadr @humanetech @dsfgs @clacke @sjb I mean, Embrace-Extend-Extinguish worked because users did not know any better. I would wager a bet that most users on fedi know better.Most people here are not because of some decentralization fetish (some are, like myself 😉 ), but because they got severely burnt by Big Tech.Why would they trust a Big Tech controlled/extended standard? I honestly don't think they would, by and large. So Big Tech can go on extending to their heart's delight, whatever.
(DIR) Post #A5B0EyvRfSvt9m8GBs by TransGal4872@fedi.absturztau.be
2021-03-13T19:08:54.927256Z
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@sjb @rysiek @dredmorbius @cadadr @humanetech @clacke >antitrust suit in the USDon't hold your breath
(DIR) Post #A5B141G4kpQdA07PcW by cadadr@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-03-13T12:59:38Z
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@rysiekWell IDK AP protocol that well to give examples (which might have lead to me coming up with a non-issue here, admittedly), but they could find ways to use their network effect and power to lure away activity and users from "true" fediverse, and e.g. force public identity vs. anonymity like Facebook, Google, Reddit are doing. @humanetech @dsfgs @clacke @sjb
(DIR) Post #A5B141dTLq8yKZ465Y by rysiek@mastodon.social
2021-03-13T13:04:06Z
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@cadadr @humanetech @dsfgs @clacke @sjb well, Google and others are doing this to e-mail. But there are still independent e-mail servers, and you don't have to talk to GMail if you don't want to.The "Big Tech free emailverse" would be smaller and more isolated than the entirety of worldwide e-mail system, but so is the fediverse today compared to the entire "social-media-verse".So we're already there. And if we don't like what Big Tech is doing, we just don't participate. Which we don't. :)
(DIR) Post #A5B1422zowYnbj0Ts8 by rysiek@mastodon.social
2021-03-13T13:08:21Z
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@cadadr @humanetech @dsfgs @clacke @sjb in other words, the devil is not in the protocol, but in the power dynamics.Big Tech was able to all-but take-over e-mail because (among others): - users did not recognize this as a problem (*I* was excited about GMail initially!) - e-mail was used for business, and thus was *important*, and one wanted to be able to communicate with everyone - e-mail servers were (and mostly are) very hard to run.Neither is true for fedi. Big Tech has no hook.
(DIR) Post #A5B146VrDa1VSOXaPg by rysiek@mastodon.social
2021-03-13T13:12:49Z
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@cadadr @humanetech @dsfgs @clacke @sjb on the other hand, opening the protocol even a little bit is uprooting the whole business model of Big Tech. That's a gamble they're unlikely to go for, unless forced to. And even if they are forced to, we still get to say "nah, I'm going to sit over here and not federate with them".Some will federate. And that's great! That means there will be some instances with visibility of both "non-big-tech fedi" and the ex-walled gardens. More choice for users.
(DIR) Post #A5B88FXYIPLYIBG10C by sjb@mstdn.io
2021-03-13T20:36:29Z
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@TransGal4872 @clacke @cadadr @humanetech @rysiek @dredmorbius Apparently, neither of the US political parties like the tech companies right now. That might make it a lot easier to pass legislation if it's bi-partisan.
(DIR) Post #A5B88G5aFsZJzjBC2y by TransGal4872@fedi.absturztau.be
2021-03-13T20:37:23.083154Z
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@sjb @clacke @cadadr @humanetech @rysiek @dredmorbius hahahaha no.
(DIR) Post #A5BUd7sh1ILeVUH2fI by cadadr@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-03-14T00:48:15Z
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@TransGal4872 @clacke @humanetech @rysiek @sjb @dredmorbius It's pretty hard to follow US law from outside, there so many levels to it.What would it take roughly for the US to slice and dice these companies?
(DIR) Post #A5BUd8MTEaARzqCp4y by TransGal4872@fedi.absturztau.be
2021-03-14T00:49:29.215052Z
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@cadadr @clacke @humanetech @rysiek @sjb @dredmorbius At this point, with the amount of money they all spend in lobbying?Armed Proletariat Revolution
(DIR) Post #A5BVPLtSE3Yxrhcry4 by cadadr@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-03-14T00:55:03Z
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@TransGal4872 @clacke @humanetech @rysiek @sjb @dredmorbius I mean that's pretty obvious, given the stuff us Rest of the World got a chance to learn about the US, thanks to the consulship of Trump :)But legally / theoretically speaking. If you have any info / links relating to the procedure itself, I'd love to inform myself.
(DIR) Post #A5BVPMK2dCpXCA46PQ by TransGal4872@fedi.absturztau.be
2021-03-14T00:58:11.832693Z
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@cadadr @clacke @humanetech @rysiek @sjb @dredmorbius United States v AT&T is the ultimate power of antitrust law brought to bear against the ultimate bad actor.it didn't really work, it just replaced the monopoly with an oligopoly, and one of the companies that was split off from "Ma Bell", specifically Southwestern Bell Communications, eventually put humpty-dumpty back together again.
(DIR) Post #A5BVUZI5qGC0redbiS by TransGal4872@fedi.absturztau.be
2021-03-14T00:59:09.133642Z
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@cadadr @clacke @dredmorbius @humanetech @rysiek @sjb the country code 1? didn't originally mean USA, it originally meant AT&T Bell systems.
(DIR) Post #A5BVhC0nhgbaQlZLyC by TransGal4872@fedi.absturztau.be
2021-03-14T01:01:24.985624Z
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@cadadr @clacke @dredmorbius @humanetech @rysiek @sjb The American Telephone & Telegraph Company invented all of today's buisness strongarm tactics, like patent webs and service gentrification.For the other main innovators of evil in that area, look up the Red Car Trolly Scandel, which has been retroactively named "Trolleygate"
(DIR) Post #A5BVoIJoebFw19qkhE by TransGal4872@fedi.absturztau.be
2021-03-14T01:02:43.056135Z
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@cadadr @clacke @dredmorbius @humanetech @rysiek @sjb here's some wikipedia links:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._AT%26Thttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_streetcar_conspiracy
(DIR) Post #A5D5S1VC94dR9dlO6K by dredmorbius@toot.cat
2021-03-14T15:33:40Z
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@cadadr Extraordinary political will.Effectively, revolution.@TransGal4872 @clacke @humanetech @rysiek @sjb
(DIR) Post #A5D5ZcFBwEh58Otl32 by dredmorbius@toot.cat
2021-03-14T15:41:48Z
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@cadadr A major revision of monpoly and antitrust doctrine. Tim Wu's elevation to NEC may be a good sign (his books are good reading, see also his references), but may aso simply be a tossed bone.The Bork / Posner / Director Chicago School '"consumer welfare" doctrine was a massive change from earlier doctrine, with near-nl basis in legislation, legal precedent, or history (Bork's "The Antitrust Paradox* reads like the Bellman's proof from "The Hunting of the Snark", "What I say three times is true").There's some pushback, but it's been slow.@TransGal4872 @clacke @humanetech @rysiek @sjb
(DIR) Post #A5D5Zcnvr4U0s99VCK by dredmorbius@toot.cat
2021-03-14T15:57:42Z
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@cadadr Wu in The Curse of Bigness strongly recommends Herbert Hovenkamp’s Principles of Antitrust (2017), though also noting it's extraordinarily expensive thanks to copyright's publishing monopoly.Missing on Samizdat resources.@TransGal4872 @clacke @humanetech @rysiek @sjb
(DIR) Post #A5EVawVSsdjkEWlNiq by humanetech@mastodon.social
2021-03-15T09:32:58Z
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@bob @witchescauldron @yaaps @bhaugen @frank87 @rysiek @sjb @dsfgs @cadadr I don't care either.. at the moment! But suppose:- TW platform gets AP support (no big deal, bad instance)- TW provides self-hosted (closed source?) AP instances- They are very easy to spin up, have grand UX for end-users- They communicate with TW back-end SaaS services (stay in control)- Hosters can make money by running them under their own domain.- (more of this sorta thing)Now I care what Jack does!
(DIR) Post #A5EVax1My1G1pTgrS4 by rysiek@mastodon.social
2021-03-15T09:46:55Z
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@humanetech @bob @witchescauldron @yaaps @bhaugen @frank87 @sjb @dsfgs @cadadr I still don't. And I think most of fediverse doesn't either. Again, a lot of people moved here to escape :birdsite: , why would they fall for some shiny beads from Jack?
(DIR) Post #A5EVaxQtR7fr6ddFEe by humanetech@mastodon.social
2021-03-15T09:50:36Z
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@rysiek @bob @witchescauldron @yaaps @bhaugen @frank87 @sjb @dsfgs @cadadr It not that current fedi would fall for it, certainly not. It is just that by making such move the target audience of people in federation would suddenly be dramatically enlarged.Let's say we have 4 million fedizen now (I believe aroun 500k active ones). If any Big Tech players make a move towards AP federation, then this number might quickly grow to 100M or more.We'd be the minority voice almost immediately.
(DIR) Post #A5EVaxsBndVaTIP2mW by humanetech@mastodon.social
2021-03-15T09:55:48Z
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@rysiek @bob @witchescauldron @yaaps @bhaugen @frank87 @sjb @dsfgs @cadadr The dynamics would change radically. We are only in control now, because we created the whole fediverse thing.But crazy stuff can happen, where our control evaporates. If e.g. Twitter, Amazon and Microsoft, say, announced the "Federated Web Association" as a standards body.. good luck promoting SocialCG and SocialHub.
(DIR) Post #A5EVayGeKh4fh9qZuK by humanetech@mastodon.social
2021-03-15T09:57:46Z
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@rysiek @bob @witchescauldron @yaaps @bhaugen @frank87 @sjb @dsfgs @cadadr We'd be forked.Now.. this is not unthinkable to happen. Also it is very hard imho to find a strategy to deal with such situation if it happens.
(DIR) Post #A5EVayUTVI8KO2JcSO by humanetech@mastodon.social
2021-03-15T09:36:47Z
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@bob @witchescauldron @yaaps @bhaugen @frank87 @rysiek @sjb @dsfgs @cadadr The assummption that a big tech player will merely bolt on an AP endpoint to their walled garden is a fallacy, I think.
(DIR) Post #A5EVayk4ZIbtAPc4lk by rysiek@mastodon.social
2021-03-15T09:58:59Z
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@humanetech @bob @witchescauldron @yaaps @bhaugen @frank87 @sjb @dsfgs @cadadr I don't think we do, frankly. We are forked already, there are different groups of AP servers that do not talk to each other. I don't feel this has degraded my fedi experience, though.
(DIR) Post #A5EVazKEOrX8yYWx84 by humanetech@mastodon.social
2021-03-15T10:00:45Z
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@rysiek @bob @witchescauldron @yaaps @bhaugen @frank87 @sjb @dsfgs @cadadr It hasn't degraded your experience. Mine neither. But I argue it has slowed down the evolution speed of fedi, or at least threatens to do so. Because in current situation adding new innovations means an ever growing 'forked landscape' where interop gets harder and harder.
(DIR) Post #A5EVazkoo0niJ0yBZQ by rysiek@mastodon.social
2021-03-15T10:07:55Z
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@humanetech @bob @witchescauldron @yaaps @bhaugen @frank87 @sjb @dsfgs @cadadr and I'd say "move fast and break things" is not a design pattern I find productive. I am more than happy with slow and stable development of fedi.
(DIR) Post #A5EdFSfdPiilFbmv5s by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-03-15T13:10:15.241157Z
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@icedquinn @alcinnz @cadadr Your instance is blocked: https://floss.social/@alcinnz/105862201154163601
(DIR) Post #A5EdQYtwaWxrlDm3uq by moth@husk.site
2021-03-15T13:12:16.229881Z
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@Hyolobrika @icedquinn @alcinnz @cadadr Gosh that’s ironically funny.
(DIR) Post #A5Ef6jD2klTNqaNVHU by cadadr@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-03-13T12:36:25Z
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@humanetech I'm personally of the opinion that slow, natural growth is the best kind of growth. Should EU or someone else decide to adopt a different kind of federation standard created by Twitter or some other tech giant, I don't think much changes, given twitter _users_ are half the reason twitter is toxic socially. Fediverse staying away from such a network and slowly accepting better users while filtering troublemakers into defederated servers is good IMHO.@dsfgs @rysiek @clacke @sjb
(DIR) Post #A5Ef6jgoy3IBKwJHhA by rysiek@mastodon.social
2021-03-13T12:41:40Z
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@cadadr @humanetech @dsfgs @clacke @sjb that's a fair point, of course. But even if it's the same protocol, it's up to instance admins to federate or not with the big instances, so there's barely any danger there.On the flip side, currently only Big Tech has a policy voice. That means laws are passed that might make fediverse... effectively impossible.Consider the idea of filtering user content (because copyright, or terrorism, or nazis, or...). For Big Tech, not a problem. For fedi? 🤦♀️
(DIR) Post #A5Ef6lAdSgjdvhGbo0 by rysiek@mastodon.social
2021-03-13T12:46:26Z
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@cadadr @humanetech @dsfgs @clacke @sjb and these ideas pop up constantly. Copyright Directive and the recent Australian media law are just two examples.Or consider how people are effectively *forced* to have a centralized social media account, because their university or their local government use them as their main communication channel. Again, something that could be partially, slowly fixed if fedi had a voice and asked questions like: "why are citizens I required to accept these US ToS?"
(DIR) Post #A5Ef6mauAVLILSZ6OG by rysiek@mastodon.social
2021-03-13T12:52:33Z
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@cadadr @humanetech @dsfgs @clacke @sjb all that said, I am there with you on slow, organic growth!But I recognize that we need to be able to defend ourselves from situations where that organic growth could be stifled because nobody told policy people that that particular law they're working on would make fedi impossible, and millions of users sad...
(DIR) Post #A5EfesFjdWVhjyv2tE by dsfgs@activism.openworlds.info
2021-03-14T06:49:44Z
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@sjbAnother good suggestion with the RSS.(As an aside, DredMorbius, your instance(?) either doesn't want to tag me or people on activism.openworlds.info? Because when you tag us it becomes plain text, only by pure chance did we see this thread).@rysiek @dredmorbius @cadadr @humanetech @clacke
(DIR) Post #A5Efesd8EXE2uXrjMG by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-03-15T13:37:10.881505Z
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@dsfgs @sjb @rysiek @dredmorbius @cadadr @humanetech @clacke that seems to happen when instances block each other
(DIR) Post #A5Ey1Y6sUXWP6VjpXk by clacke@libranet.de
2021-03-15T13:09:24Z
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@dredmorbius @rysiek @humanetech @sjb @TransGal4872 @cadadr oh the irony
(DIR) Post #A5FCbVQXLJCmZAyOgK by icedquinn@blob.cat
2021-03-15T19:46:24.450468Z
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@Hyolobrika such is how fedi works. :blobcatshrug2:
(DIR) Post #A5FDaAMKHrYctEvdmC by defango@gitmo.life
2021-03-15T19:57:21.309Z
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@cadadr@mastodon.sdf.org we have so many options now......
(DIR) Post #A5FF0FpCgiUHKDRJSq by mystik@midnightride.rs
2021-03-15T20:13:18.503610Z
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@alcinnz @cadadr Trusting "authorities" time is over. We're on our own now, guys.
(DIR) Post #A5FUeTPD749KLBuwPw by mystik@midnightride.rs
2021-03-15T23:08:39.463583Z
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@humanetech @clacke @cadadr @sjb Signal is known to be intercepted by the FBI, it’s promoted by former CIA agent and NSA contractor Edward Snowden (liar and traitor) and Hillary Clinton.It’s a honeypot.
(DIR) Post #A5FYLIiZ1eIVVX5DjU by sjb@mstdn.io
2021-03-15T23:49:25Z
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@mystik @humanetech @clacke @cadadr Interesting, but it seems they still need physical possession of the phone. That's far from the sort of continuous backdoor PRISM has into the tech majors.
(DIR) Post #A5FeUDqz4yqCkjevDc by dredmorbius@toot.cat
2021-03-15T22:18:19Z
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@clacke Someone should antitrust that monopoly....@rysiek @humanetech @cadadr @sjb @TransGal4872
(DIR) Post #A6LXNXh90Dwd1JH76e by icedquinn@blob.cat
2021-04-17T19:00:06.536132Z
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@cadadr well communism is back so why not all the other shitty stuff too