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(DIR) Post #A57lEecV9vb1qct8Wu by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T05:36:32Z
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THREADOn Vice's Chris Miller interview teaser (Thus far many DOZENS of likes!). My three takes:1) Takes place in a church. "One never lies in a church."2) Miller makes weak implications AGAINST Trump on an already settled (now moot) issue.3) Miller affirms: The military would NEVER obey an UNLAWFUL or UNCONSTITUTIONAL order from a President.ERGO...?The public can have full confidence that whatever the military HAS done and is NOW doing is LAWFUL.Constitutional.Mehehehehe...
(DIR) Post #A57mj8eYA4HFdRwjnk by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T05:53:15Z
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So what audience is Miller's message intended for? 4) Miller was talking to LEFTIST RAG VICE. Beautiful. And telling.Did Miller lie? NOPE.* "...a lot of rhetoric spewed over the previous bunch of yearrrrssss..."TRUE. Talking point. And irrelevant. * Did Jan. 6 set alarm bells ringing?"YES."TRUE. For anyone.* Trump responsible? "I don't know...it seems cause and effect, yeah."TRUE. Yeah, it did SEEM that way.
(DIR) Post #A57n8gKS5nNzJoj3OC by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T05:57:51Z
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* Would anyone have *MARCHED* on the Capitol without the President's speech?"...it's pretty much definitive that wouldn't have happened."TRUE! Even Antifa wouldn't have bothered to show up were it not for a chance to sabotage his speech. I think that's pretty much definitive. * Did he know that he was enraging the crowd to do that?"I don't know." ALSO TRUE!
(DIR) Post #A57o87zbqyY6mUHCrY by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T06:08:58Z
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What Miller did was absolutely brilliant. GET LEFTISTS NODDING1) Kick a dead (impeachment) horse and spout a couple of meaningless talking points for street cred. GET LEFTISTS BELIEVING2) Do it in a church. EVERYONE knows that, like Pence, Miller's a True Believer - would never blaspheme. Now they're hooked, and here's the beauty of THAT battlefield prepping: Miller WEAPONIZED TRUTH as a tool of deception - for those who make leaps of logic and don't know how to WEIGH the truth.END
(DIR) Post #A57oIf0vw4bq5guz5M by lili60@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T06:10:52Z
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@StevenDouglas It always comes down to interpretation doesn't it......
(DIR) Post #A57ofLlfetPp3nbA8W by WhirledPeas@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T06:14:58Z
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@StevenDouglas "We fought a civil war over this once - let's not do it again"
(DIR) Post #A57otAGRE4e9R6Zow4 by OneRandomGuy@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T06:17:28Z
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@StevenDouglas "3) Miller affirms: The military would NEVER obey an UNLAWFUL or UNCONSTITUTIONAL order from a President.Good news is that Trump would never give an unlawful or unconstitutional order (even if his his opponents fall into the trap thinking they are).
(DIR) Post #A57p3SahwRwtAiy16e by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T06:19:20Z
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@lili60 Yes, which means parsing and examining everything from everyone's point of view. Communication is divided, as it's incumbent upon multiple combinations of Sender vs. Multiple Receivers.AND.A case like this was - 100% guaranteed - not a spur of the moment thing. It was planned in every respect. Including the wording of the message grist spoon fed into Vice's mill. They were played like a fiddle and don't even know it.
(DIR) Post #A57p3bZcXrQX1xWmA4 by OneRandomGuy@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T06:19:21Z
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@StevenDouglas "3) Miller affirms: The military would NEVER obey an UNLAWFUL or UNCONSTITUTIONAL order from a President.Good news is that Trump would never give an unlawful or unconstitutional order (even if his his opponents fall into the trap thinking they are).Also, the fact that Miller went out of his way to go give a rare interview to VICE, out of all outlets should tell you something, as you have smartly laid out.
(DIR) Post #A57pCKdYsr236qX3ui by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T06:20:56Z
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@WhirledPeas Yes, and also TRUE. And that is precisely what Trump-NOT-THE-LEFT accomplished.
(DIR) Post #A57pkHp1r9xWDz5RXE by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T06:27:04Z
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@Brennan On a positive note, it made him (AND his itchy-eared viewers) ripe for manipulation.
(DIR) Post #A57qDX9bvofwApeyp6 by sit4something@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T06:32:21Z
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@StevenDouglas Thank you for scoring the BINGO in this thread. I am glad you pointed out the obvious: The shenanigans at the Capitol would not have happened if it wasn't for Trump's speech.I think people are hearing what Miller said instead of listening to what he said.
(DIR) Post #A57qN37YRtb9vJEfWy by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T06:34:04Z
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@Kitcat @lili60 My answer ASSUMES certain things (which could be wrong):1) Recent massive, unprecedented DOMESTIC military activity.2) The military has yet to PUBLICLY respond to China's and Iran's interference in our elections.3) The military MAY later respond in a way that will seriously upset the left.Pence and Miller PUBLICLY put "independence" distance between themselves and Trump.CRITICAL.NONE of their actions must be interpreted as PARTISAN, or, worse yet, "PRO TRUMP".
(DIR) Post #A57sFLdPvl8ow1avC4 by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T06:55:05Z
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@KitcatYou wrote: "The one they wanted installed is in."That's a loaded assumption stated as if fact.Which takes you off point."…what authority does the military have to interfere in a election?"A Constitutional election? NONE, of course. "it would have been…unconstitutional…to give…orders to interfere with the certification of Biden’s electors."CORRECT.So they didn't.Because THAT was not the issue. @lili601/?
(DIR) Post #A57sLVpKwteaHc6po8 by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T06:56:12Z
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@KitcatYou wrote: "The one they wanted installed is in."That's a loaded assumption stated as if fact.Which takes you off point."…what authority does the military have to interfere in a election?"A Constitutional election? NONE, of course. "it would have been…unconstitutional…to give…orders to interfere with the certification of Biden’s electors."CORRECT.So they didn't.Because THAT was not the issue. @lili601/?
(DIR) Post #A57sOq7ByWL04e30Eq by Donjanusgjrdrm@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T06:56:47Z
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@StevenDouglas @Brennan The whole clip is creepy. A church background setting, really? The interviewers eyes dancing and darting around. He almost appeared as though he was licking his chops. What was Miller doing there? Was that the entire interview with Miller?
(DIR) Post #A57siHOYlxDiBSRO6a by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T07:00:19Z
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@Kitcat"[Trump's] not the one who decides. Neither is the military from my understanding. Unless they know something we don’t..."EXACTLY."...but even then I don’t see why they would hide evidence and allow the election to be certified in the first place."I tooted about this MANY TIMES. You're asking RHETORICALLY, as if the answer is obvious. Ask that question FOR REAL. WHY COULD EVIDENCE BE WITHHELD FROM THE PUBLIC? Real question, with surprisingly solid, simple answers.@lili60
(DIR) Post #A57smp93EWNG11Lz5E by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T07:01:08Z
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@Kitcat"[Trump's] not the one who decides. Neither is the military from my understanding. Unless they know something we don’t..."EXACTLY."...but even then I don’t see why they would hide evidence and allow the election to be certified in the first place."I tooted about this MANY TIMES.You're asking RHETORICALLY, as if the answer is obvious. Ask that question FOR REAL.WHY COULD EVIDENCE BE WITHHELD FROM THE PUBLIC?Real question, with surprisingly solid, simple answers.2/2@lili60
(DIR) Post #A57tKbDNX23OepU0Y4 by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T07:07:15Z
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@Donjanusgjrdrm @Brennan No, it was a teaser they posted to get people to watch the entire interview on Showtime. Why Miller was there is the subject of this thread. And yes, the entire interview was with Miller. Vice wanted a hit piece on Trump. Miller gave them what they asked for. Kind of. Not really. But Miller gave them just enough to spin that Orange Man Bad straw in some viewer gold.While getting his own, more important message, out.
(DIR) Post #A57uE99D4X5FpE1JCK by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T07:17:17Z
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@Donjanusgjrdrm @Brennan The hypothetical question for me:Could I envision Miller's answers as having been written by Trump himself? And I am NOT suggesting that they were. I am only asking if Miller's words could FIT into a Trump-generated plan.Resounding yes for me. If I were Trump, no ego here, win that war:TRUMP: "Go in agreeing with as much as you can. Establish your independence - FROM ME. Establish that YOU AND THE MILITARY are straight arrows - straight shooters."
(DIR) Post #A57vZmRwF7tvkneykS by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T07:32:24Z
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ADDENDUM:There things that will upset others on my side but make me giddy - for reasons that will make THEM giddy.LATER.ANYTHING even REMOTELY smacking of "anti-Trump" causes tribal minds to slam shut.NO differently than on the steadily imploding BidenCo side. All reason, logic, and common sense goes out the window. EVERYTHING else is interpreted in only the most negative light.Which makes me smile. Because if it's working on YOU, chances are it's working even better on THEM.
(DIR) Post #A57xdDazyEmgitfHIu by bjnno1@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T07:55:26Z
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@StevenDouglas When does the full interview air? 😀 🍿
(DIR) Post #A57yUtRr5uuTsGyy5w by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T08:05:08Z
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@bjnno1 Don't know, didn't even bother to check. They carried all the water I needed in this one clip.We'll know when it comes out and I'll watch the whole thing for any additional goodies. You know who Miller is to me? He's happy, animated, goofy-talkative, and DEADLY Daniel Negreanu of WSOP fame. I would give Miller ALL my cautious respect at a poker table. And I'd be hoping for another player to get lucky and take him out, because HE'S AN OPEN BOOK.Sun Tzu style.I.e., UNREADABLE.
(DIR) Post #A57zPganZ3BEVdFKN6 by bjnno1@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T08:15:24Z
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@StevenDouglas I love the comparison. 😎 ♠️ 😈 heh heh
(DIR) Post #A586jfJIjydg0GXINk by wtawtaw_gal@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T09:37:27Z
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@StevenDouglas 👍 All you said.I identify with Miller. I see how his answers are "true"..leaving more specifics unmentioned.Because I've had to do the exact same thing to one person that was totally evil....Thanks Steven.
(DIR) Post #A588r9xDPELGyjuHNQ by Dawnz@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T10:01:12Z
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@StevenDouglas an interesting avenue of thought,Steven. You bring up some good points many wouldnt have thought of.I hadnt heard the interview,and the clip is all Ive listened to,but based on that alone,it makes sense
(DIR) Post #A58ESEgxFmY49qne7M by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T11:03:56Z
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@SteveTuna Two competing schools of thought on Trump and Pence.1) Both deeply religious conservatives. Their top duty: to preserve order, regardless how abused or deeply flawed. Trump rocked the boat too much and threatened overall stability. They preserved order, failed state avoided, by turning blind eyes and sacrificing Trump in the process.2) Corruption anticipated, well thought out, planned for in secret, and in detail, in advance. All done to date is in line with those plans. 1/2
(DIR) Post #A58F4bmXqxa2m6iCcS by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T11:10:52Z
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@SteveTuna But most are thinking LEGALLY and POLITICALLY. Mainly in the moment based on law and order and how the steal is affecting everyone.The real question NOT asked about Miller and Pence has NOTHING to do with domestic legalities or politics.Would they throw Trump under a bus TO APPEASE - AS IN NOT ROCK THE BOATS OF - CHINA AND IRAN?If the answer to that is not obvious to anyone, I've nothing further to say. They're bad judges of character and don't know Miller OR Pence.And
(DIR) Post #A58F8s09UXKSEl6nTs by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T11:11:38Z
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@SteveTuna But most are thinking LEGALLY and POLITICALLY. Mainly in the moment based on law and order and how the steal is affecting everyone.The real question NOT asked about Miller and Pence has NOTHING to do with domestic legalities or politics.Would they throw Trump under a bus TO APPEASE - AS IN NOT ROCK THE BOATS OF - CHINA AND IRAN?If the answer to that is not obvious to anyone, I've nothing further to say. They're bad judges of character and don't know Miller OR Pence.2/2
(DIR) Post #A58FEizftXdS2Og2dM by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T11:12:42Z
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@SteveTuna Correction: First response should read Miller and Pence, not Trump and Pence.
(DIR) Post #A58NTK6JWlyuoKFqZk by FecklessCovfefe@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T12:44:59Z
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@StevenDouglas Thank you for your insight. I would like to respectfully disagree slightly. I believe people went to DC to March to the Capitol because of the Electoral College vote and to protest the unlawful certification of several states electors. Many had already gone to the Capitol building before Trump spoke a word. He called for people to be there in large numbers as a sign that we were displeased with the election, and that call was well before Jan 6.
(DIR) Post #A58OOtohPR7g5VTBlA by NSP@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T12:55:23Z
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@StevenDouglas AMEN. These are awesome times.
(DIR) Post #A58PTlscRfjssHBrTk by Phokencougie@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T13:07:28Z
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@StevenDouglas Miller is pure Hydrargyrum at it's finest. So fluid. 😎
(DIR) Post #A58T2R0SLQ1E8N4naq by toyomike68@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T13:47:21Z
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@StevenDouglas Miller is obviously playing with this simpleton Leftist. It must have been hard not to bust out laughing. In a church?.... pulleeeeze.
(DIR) Post #A58TW2dZVqdHF4URpA by PonySoldier@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T13:52:41Z
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@StevenDouglas Pompeo, Scavino, Miller, Flynn, and Pence are still "on the job" prepping the battlefield with hints and disinformation to lure the enemy to sleep. Meanwhile, Trump is silent and Biden is crashing hard for the whole country to see. Something is up. Can't wait for the "Best that is yet to come".
(DIR) Post #A58ZfopMJOMR2435Ps by WhirledPeas@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T15:01:42Z
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@StevenDouglas His statement also led me recall Trump's "I just want to stop the world from killing itself!" So, I surmise, alternatives were pursued... leading to who-knows-what-but-not-me and the oddball circumstances we find ourselves in.Didn't make a whole lotta sense, Dems and RINOs pushing so hard to go through with impeachment of a "former" President, for one.
(DIR) Post #A58aBlIuwkUDN76eNk by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T15:07:28Z
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@FecklessCovfefe Everything you said was true (for certain not all people) and I don't even see slight disagreement between our views. My point is that it's all just as meaningless now as it was during the Senate trial. Doesn't move any needles. I believe that the smear piece on Trump was a vehicle that was used by Miller, nothing more. And everyone got what {they thought} they wanted out of it.
(DIR) Post #A58g9aMFH09uZI0ZPc by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T16:14:18Z
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@MyFlyingCloud @redwhitebluedude Good catches, all tells for sure. Notice everything, it doesn't have to mean anything to begin with. Eventually it forms a semi-predictable pattern. And, if nothing, a base line for anomalies with they crop up.
(DIR) Post #A58gqTtr9vyYzXBSSm by EarlThePearls@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T16:22:04Z
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@PhokencougieMercury rising @StevenDouglas
(DIR) Post #A58l2hkpsFIhFh34Ma by leyonhjelm@freespeechextremist.com
2021-03-12T17:08:05.738822Z
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@StevenDouglas It's not that anyone cares so much about Trump so much as the anti-Trump crowd has spouted so much bullshit that anything that seems anti-Trump processes as bullshit.It's 100% Chicken Little. That's why it's fundamentally different, the BidenCo side has been dismissing truth openly in favour of convenient lies. To treat them as equivalent is in the realm of barely functional retardation.
(DIR) Post #A58yf7AX8A5oTwiKKu by KodiakIsland@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-12T19:41:42Z
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@StevenDouglas Much to do about nothing. Very, very comforting that we have this man Miller in place.
(DIR) Post #A5AXy7gx1aMohmWdwu by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-13T13:52:09Z
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@Nancynew Here's the Vice article that goes more into it. I don't have Showtime so I don't know when the interview airs or anything else. https://www.vice.com/en/article/wx83v4/even-trumps-defense-secretary-during-the-capitol-riot-blames-him-for-inciting-it
(DIR) Post #A5AYdn4K5gpsuGKHUO by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-13T13:59:40Z
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Here's more deception on Chris Miller's part with Vice:Miller said, “There was a lot of concern that we were just some sort of Trump hatchet men coming in to do heinous things to the Department of Defense, which couldn’t be further from the truth.”"..to the Department of Defense..."?! That is what couldn't be further from the truth. I don't know WHOSE concern that was, but that choice of words was PURE DECEPTION. Story airs on VICE/Showtime 8 pm Sunday, March 14.https://www.vice.com/en/article/wx83v4/even-trumps-defense-secretary-during-the-capitol-riot-blames-him-for-inciting-it
(DIR) Post #A5B9zxOk40xrcKJHGq by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-13T20:58:17Z
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@DeepState1776 "Miller seems weaselly here…"Out of character for a man of his stature?"…like he is looking to rehab himself in the eyes of the left."Why? For what?"He should speak the truth plainly and he isn't."No, yes. And why? Does he lack courage?"Chris Miller is doing himself, and Trump, no favors here:"Trump isn't running for office.Base: Unshaken against Trump, angry with Miller. And no legal jeopardy. Why so far out of his way to appease the left? He gains nothing.
(DIR) Post #A5BAGbixtqKzJti04O by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-13T21:01:18Z
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@DeepState1776 "Miller seems weaselly here…"Out of character for a man of his stature?"…like he is looking to rehab himself in the eyes of the left."Why? For what?"He should speak the truth plainly and he isn't."No, yes. And why? Does he lack courage?"Chris Miller is doing himself, and Trump, no favors here:"Trump isn't running for office.Base: Unshaken re: Trump, angry with Miller. And no legal jeopardy. So why so far out of his way to appease the left? What does he gain?
(DIR) Post #A5BB1VWQmEC5h8D3GS by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-13T21:09:46Z
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@DeepState1776 Everything about that interview screamed facade/bullshit to me. Everything. Nothing genuine about ANY of it. TWO narratives were crafted simultaneously:1) For the left: Trump really SEEMED to have done something, like, seemingly, totally, more or less definitely, untoward on Janury 6th and before.(So what).2) Also for the left: YOU CAN TRUST THE MILITARY - COMPLETELY. THEY WILL NEVER DISOBEY AND "UNLAWFUL" ORDER OR BETRAY THE CONSTITUTION.
(DIR) Post #A5BB8SRMdJEYAE9ahk by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-13T21:11:02Z
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@DeepState1776 Everything about that interview screamed facade/bullshit to me. Everything. Nothing genuine about ANY of it. TWO narratives were crafted simultaneously:1) For the left: Trump really SEEMED to have done something, like, seemingly, totally, more or less definitely, untoward on Janury 6th and before.(So what).2) Also for the left: YOU CAN TRUST THE MILITARY - COMPLETELY. THEY WILL NEVER DISOBEY AN "UNLAWFUL" ORDER OR BETRAY THE CONSTITUTION.
(DIR) Post #A5BBj6v1c2wU89VMMy by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-13T21:17:39Z
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@DeepState1776 Weaselly is another way of saying DECEPTIVELY. "He should speak the truth plainly and he isn't."Always look for and root out the normatives (shoulds/oughts). Or at least reframe them as questions and not assertions, so that they can be modeled and explored as hypotheticals. WHY *should* Miller speak the truth plainly?What truth would that be? Even hypothetically, give examples to test the question.
(DIR) Post #A5BBsWbNUcEGOKnupE by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-13T21:19:21Z
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@DeepState1776 Yep, doesn't make a damned bit of sense, does it. Like, on the surface, REALLY bad moves!You're making all my points for me without realizing it.
(DIR) Post #A5BCBr2liNyBICphqK by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-13T21:22:51Z
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@DeepState1776 Future employment? Now you have to believe Miller is a sellout.Tough sell there.Weaselly is another way of saying DECEPTIVELY."He should speak the truth plainly and he isn't."Always look for and root out normatives (shoulds/oughts).At least reframe as questions, not assertions, so that they can be tested and explored as hypotheticals. WHY *should*(/not) Miller speak the truth plainly?What truth would that be? Even hypothetically, give examples to test the question.
(DIR) Post #A5BDAzl7vRP5zIjeAS by BamaGal@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-13T21:33:53Z
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@StevenDouglas Trump is no dummy. He knew what he was doing.
(DIR) Post #A5BFyPYoz6D86jfdjs by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-13T22:05:14Z
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@KarlCarlson Just the fact that they were GOP is justifiable murderous provocation anyway. Why would they provoke people like that, are they nuts?AKA - She shouldn't have dressed that way, she was asking for it. "But she was wearing an ugly sweatshirt over an uglier mumu!""Mm-hmm. Wide open on bottom, right? And her knowing full well what the imagination is capable of?"
(DIR) Post #A5BGNYHhgbqgP6eU08 by AndrewTheGreat@noagendasocial.com
2021-03-13T22:09:47Z
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@StevenDouglas so is Chris Miller a bad guy now? I can't keep track
(DIR) Post #A5CW3GffFwSePSAXoG by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-14T12:40:07Z
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@StevenDouglas LOL! The entire response is indicative of the staff at DOD it seems. Inside baseball.
(DIR) Post #A5HY0RZDJmC7BhgTaK by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-03-16T22:55:42Z
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@Flobee Showtime only.