Post A4mBIaLtIB4R6GXGNs by bkhan@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #A4lgagnQySbzihZTyi by Zezin@fosstodon.org
2021-03-01T14:00:41Z
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There is people out there who use alternative keyboard layouts ( aka dvorak / colemak etc) and also use WMs... HOW?I was learning dvorak and just know that hit me. Its already pretty confusing for me to use vim, less and Gnome shortcuts
(DIR) Post #A4lgpDC1Jz2iFZzpFg by sotolf@fosstodon.org
2021-03-01T14:03:04Z
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@Zezin I use colemak and bspwm, the vim shortcuts are not really a problem, first of all you shouldn't use hjlk much anyway, the search and other shortcuts should be enough, for my wm itself I've reconfigured the shortcuts to be something that is comfortable for me to work with:https://github.com/sotolf2/dotfiles/blob/master/.config/sxhkd/sxhkdrc
(DIR) Post #A4lguQtnn0z8Ctxqq0 by marvka@fosstodon.org
2021-03-01T14:04:15Z
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@Zezin Lots of rebinding and configuring I'd think. Vim on dvorak is very uncomfortable without changing keybindings 😅
(DIR) Post #A4lh7l1UHRvYNvueUi by Zezin@fosstodon.org
2021-03-01T14:06:37Z
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@marvka strange, I was looking at vim wiki and the people that were using dvorak said that it isn't really a probem, and its better to not rebing anything and just use mnemonics instead of muscle memory (in the sense that, I go to insert mode by "hitting I" and not just extending my middle finger a bit)
(DIR) Post #A4lhrDHu2VSr4tGYJk by marvka@fosstodon.org
2021-03-01T14:14:52Z
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@Zezin I mean if it works for them. It just means more movement on the keyboard as the keybindings were designed with qwerty in mind. I prefer to not have to move my hands too much for simple navigation. Same reason I prefer vim bindings over emacs 😋
(DIR) Post #A4li0UvpoC3qPFN3tA by Zezin@fosstodon.org
2021-03-01T14:15:40Z
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@sotolf Oh, your config makes a lot of sense. Gave me some ideas for my dwm build. Thanks for sharing!The mod + n/e I can work around (mine would be h and t ), but focusing/swapping windows with the arrow keys seams a bit off (for me)So i guess with a WM would be the oposite with vim, rebinding for the muscle memory instead of mnemonics
(DIR) Post #A4li8skT8twcaa3KMq by robby@zoinks.one
2021-03-01T14:10:27.580378Z
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@Zezin I use dvorak with SwayWM. In my wm I have it set so that arrow keys (or hjkl) + meta will change what window I have focused. Instead of actually using those keys though, holding the spacebar will switch layers on my keyboard, so the arrow keys are on dhtn (the same spots as hjkl on qwerty). I also have it so that double tapping each arrow key will send super (my meta key) + that arrow key. In practice this means to switch windows I hold my space key, and double tap the direction I want to move focus.Here is my keyboard layout if you want to take a peek.https://configure.ergodox-ez.com/moonlander/layouts/PMVBL/latest/0
(DIR) Post #A4li8tDtNVTq3popEG by Zezin@fosstodon.org
2021-03-01T14:18:03Z
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@robby thats nice! when i eventually get a qmk keyboard I will try this layering strategy
(DIR) Post #A4liMbld4jWPyc8lpA by sotolf@fosstodon.org
2021-03-01T14:20:32Z
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@Zezin Yeah, that's what I've done I mainly use n/e (focus in stack) and shift+n/e (switch in stack) to deal with windows, since I seldomly have more than 3 windows on one desktop, the arrow key ones is to move by screen position, so move to the windown up from the current one, not dealing with the stack (tree in bspwm) but I don't think dwm has that mode of switching anyway if I remember completely, and it's only really useful if you deal with 5 or more windows on a page.
(DIR) Post #A4liX9XkLr0pcwfuz2 by sotolf@fosstodon.org
2021-03-01T14:22:16Z
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@Zezin Yeah, that's what I've done I mainly use n/e (focus in stack) and shift+n/e (switch in stack) to deal with windows, since I seldomly have more than 3 windows on one desktop, the arrow key ones is to move by screen position, not dealing with the stack but I don't think dwm has that mode of switching anyway if I remember right, and it's only really useful if you deal with 5 or more windows on a page.super space I use for exchange with "master"
(DIR) Post #A4lisyzWGS9nGt4hcG by Zezin@fosstodon.org
2021-03-01T14:26:24Z
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@marvka thats a fair point, but an alternative layout just anoys the hjkl movement, that could be mitigated with way better ways of moving around ( "w"ord, "W"ord, "f"oward, "b"ack, ; , number + move, sneak plugin, search, ctrl u / d )
(DIR) Post #A4ljMsGxoC8B7aUIZE by Zezin@fosstodon.org
2021-03-01T14:31:47Z
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@sotolf in dwm to focus windows there is just up ( master -> window1 -> window2) or down ( window2 -> window1 -> master) and also exchange to master, even if there is two windows on the master side (like a grid) there isn't movement by window position (there isn't movement at all to switch window places without a patch) which is kinda confusing, but I also rarely have more then 3 windows open, and if there is more, it's only one master
(DIR) Post #A4ljbIVP4WseXG7SC0 by sotolf@fosstodon.org
2021-03-01T14:34:24Z
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@Zezin Yeah, so I leave my arrow keys for them, in case I'd need them some time, but I never really do :p so I guess I could have purged them, but I haven't found something fun to replace them with, and I'm far from full on my keyboard still, so, it's nice to have it there in case I need it. :) for dwm I'm also using n/e to move up/down the stack and the patch for moving and schift n/e for that as well ;)
(DIR) Post #A4ljdVWtcUTfVYs52W by kristof@pleroma.marussy.com
2021-03-01T14:30:45.786847Z
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@Zezin For colemak (or for any keyboard layout, really, but it’s most famous for colemak), you can use an extend layer to move your arrow keys to hjkl. It essentially end up the same as @robby@zoinks.one’s approach, but you can do it purely in xkb (useful for laptop keyboards), too.
(DIR) Post #A4ljdVwm4HB4noykNM by Zezin@fosstodon.org
2021-03-01T14:34:48Z
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@kristof oh, I didn't knew about that! I just have to find a "Extend" key tho, ( Caps is esc and I use the two alts, i guess right ctrl will do, but tooo far )
(DIR) Post #A4mBIaLtIB4R6GXGNs by bkhan@fosstodon.org
2021-03-01T19:44:46Z
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@Zezin Colemak isn't too much of a change. The bottom row is nearly the same as qwerty, and everything else is easy enough to figure out. The only problem I've found is with Vim. j is on the top row and k is on the bottom, but j is down and k is up. It's a weird form of natural scrolling. If you're changing things about you could just go all the way and paste over all your problems with AutoHotKey or QMK. I have it set so I can hold space and press jkl; for arrow keys, which work in any app.