Post A4iZG7UTFTcHHA4ATo by drwho@hackers.town
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(DIR) Post #A4iDSIMkRSDlUMr2mW by vortex_egg@hackers.town
2021-02-27T21:17:48Z
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Extremism researchers and journalists are debating whether the people who think the use of the Nazi SS-themed winged odal rune at the conservative CPAC convention was intentional, are themselves using the same incorrect conspiracy thinking as QAnon’ers (ie it’s just a coincidence); or if the people who regularly use symbolic conspiracy thinking for violent political aims might also use that same thinking when designing the set pieces for their public hate gatherings.
(DIR) Post #A4iDSIp6k0uEuK7gzA by thegibson@hackers.town
2021-02-27T21:21:54Z
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@vortex_egg Was just made aware of this, and was debating a post...I don't see any "coincidence" here.That is a specific symbol, with specific meaning.
(DIR) Post #A4iDSJC9MLL03mu5tw by vortex_egg@hackers.town
2021-02-27T21:25:05Z
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@thegibson There are a number of extremism researchers telling people to stop parsing this through the lens of magical thinking.I don’t think they understand the importance of magical thinking, in general, or have the imagination to think that political groups that already resort to magical thinking would continue to do so intentionally?Regardless I’m not going to post a picture of that evil crap on here. No need to energize it further.
(DIR) Post #A4iDSJaFuicVGYBLTU by thegibson@hackers.town
2021-02-27T21:28:14Z
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@vortex_egg Exactly, you and I have discussed it before... This is not magical thinking.Symbols have power. Literally mind viruses.Some are beneficent.This one is malicious.
(DIR) Post #A4iDSMMXaAQpssmw0u by vortex_egg@hackers.town
2021-02-27T21:33:23Z
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@thegibson Yes and... it is “magical thinking”. But not in the modern scientific materialist dismissive definition where “magical thinking” is reduced to just mean irrational illogic that should be ignored.It is the prototypical “magical thinking,” which acknowledges that the feeling and energy imbued in symbols has concrete tangible power and can bind minds together in a collective chain to be unleashed with intention and aim.
(DIR) Post #A4iDSNlkLwBkFLaZwO by vortex_egg@hackers.town
2021-02-27T21:34:14Z
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@thegibson In any case, we are in agreement.
(DIR) Post #A4iDbiHdRz8MTcxCtM by drwho@hackers.town
2021-02-27T21:43:56Z
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@vortex_egg They also use the sonnenrad. And their adherents wear death's head masks and throw up the seig heil.This is not a coincidence. This is not a dogwhistle. This is a dinner bell.
(DIR) Post #A4iDbidG9aQnYh4Tb6 by vortex_egg@hackers.town
2021-02-27T21:46:24Z
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@drwho Most definitely. I’m vaguely annoyed at the people who study this stuff who also completely dismiss the power of symbols as being “just” conspiracy thinking. They are missing an entire vector of the informational component of the extremist operation.
(DIR) Post #A4iDbj2Qe0Z2okqZpQ by drwho@hackers.town
2021-02-27T21:49:06Z
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@vortex_egg They're also dismissing almost the entire history of marketing and advertising, which is the industrialized manipulation of people with symbols.
(DIR) Post #A4iDbjRb8QhI4ocg3k by vortex_egg@hackers.town
2021-02-27T21:51:11Z
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@drwho Ugh yes that is another major pet peeve. The “marketing doesn’t _actually_ change people’s beliefs” crowd have sand in their eyes.I mean, look at the history of public relations coming from the propagandist Edward Bernays. It’s all right out in the open.
(DIR) Post #A4iZG5lleCGPwE8xA8 by Mnemonic@hackers.town
2021-02-27T21:37:52Z
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@vortex_egg @thegibson From wikipedia, odal rune stands for "heritage, estate".So it could very well be a frat-like thingy.I have yet to dive into the audio book: Futhark - A Handbook of Rune Magic by Edred Thorsson (2020)...Though my (very limited) knowledge of the so dubbed 'rune magic' of the Scandinavians: That's not how it's used.[I do suspect Cruz and Mitch together own a pair of Nábrók though https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%A1br%C3%B3k ]They also have the golden calf:
(DIR) Post #A4iZG6ETvRETNHZsv2 by thegibson@hackers.town
2021-02-27T21:39:53Z
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@Mnemonic @vortex_egg That is not their meaning here...The Nazis literally used this meaning "heritage, purity"... The Odal was used by the 7th SS division.This is open Nazi symbology in use.
(DIR) Post #A4iZG6gUFJdMm8gFZQ by drwho@hackers.town
2021-02-27T21:46:56Z
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@thegibson @Mnemonic @vortex_egg It was a collar pip of the 7th division. They were easily the most brutal of any deployed division in World War 2. Their rep includes taking no prisoners and summarily executing men, women, and children indiscriminantly.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7th_SS_Volunteer_Mountain_Division_Prinz_EugenThis is not a thing people wear the mantle of lightly.
(DIR) Post #A4iZG74angurytxV8y by vortex_egg@hackers.town
2021-02-27T21:56:10Z
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@drwho @thegibson @Mnemonic Nazi sorcerers can get wrecked.
(DIR) Post #A4iZG7UTFTcHHA4ATo by drwho@hackers.town
2021-02-27T21:57:31Z
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@vortex_egg @thegibson @Mnemonic Time to grab that Fu-Bar and get wrecking.
(DIR) Post #A4iZG7rVro32QcqZOa by vortex_egg@hackers.town
2021-02-27T22:11:10Z
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@drwho @thegibson @Mnemonic I’m curious what our resident rune expert @feonixrift thinks about this (sorry for dragging you into it). I wonder if they know of an appropriate counter-spell rune for this terror.
(DIR) Post #A4iZG8Ka7jIfsmRmhk by feonixrift@hackers.town
2021-02-28T01:13:24Z
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@vortex_egg @drwho @thegibson @Mnemonic Normally I'd take my computer casually losing my work as an indication that I should do something else with my time; but for once I'm going with 'add more coffee and consider that the disposed first draft.'I appreciate being brought in to the thread; if there's a point to my being openly heathen, it is probably in large part this. Being visibly someone who uses the runes and is not a racist arse. Left-heathenry has been comically bad at figuring out it needs to be something other than 'neutral,' but it's catching up.It's wtf:30 here, and was moreso before I lost a whole post of writing; I'm literally only up because my watch woke me at midnight to pretend to be the tooth fairy. So as times to take this for a spin go... this is about perfect, actually. Except that I need a coffee. And it is more the journey than the ending, until it has been reached in that way more than once. So. Lets play.To the best of my knowledge, the variant othala with bent legs was either invented or popularized specifically by the nazis; noone else uses it. When learning the runes I was specifically warned against it, and anyone who tolerated it. Nor can it be extricated from its nazi context, as this variant is obtained by ordinary manipulations from the swastika itself - split it in half vertically and rotate/mirror around that central line.I saw a thread that pointed out, if it is given the meaning of the standard othala (ᛟ) - heritage, then it is self-poisoning. After all, the nazi myths root themselves in lies; their claimed heritage is all false. But that is not the full meaning, as its meaning is what it does: to bind a group together in myth, unrooted from historical accuracy. Rooted only in lies as bent and broken as its legs; the poison is the point, not a weakness.If we cut off those legs, we are left with ingwaz (ᛜ) - seed, hearth of freyr. (Not a historically attested meaning entirely, but a common modern reading.) The present moment clean of lies which had twisted the sight of it. Here we see the need for symmetry of time - to the extent we look back, we must look forward. Results, are as important as reasons to see clearly. There is no good end result for the modern nazis, not even in their own twisted view.Extend our view, forward and back. In the center make visible the manipulations that were hidden - the middle line of reflection which had allowed the swastika to conceal itself. We reach the 'lantern rune' (ᛄ), seen as a variant on ingwaz though in the anglo-saxon it appears in the role of jera (harvest), and elsewhere as a cipher rune of any combination which can compose it. Composition by wunjo or thurisaz, sure, but this time we compose it by the arrows tiwaz (ᛏ). Tyr holds the view to the straight and narrow, unbent by deception.This would work, to disarm, reveal and realign. But it could be more incisive; it deserves to be. Amp up the arrows of tiwaz, draw them apart and let them rip the central seed in two. Let the clarity of truth spear down through history, and simultaneously up to restore the future. The last remaining piece of where we began is literally torn asunder. Hidden in the mirror images, around the axis now visible, we have instead eiwaz (ᛇ) - the tree, but also a journey that once begun cannot be stopped.