Post A4eORwQ2MUsuHjaSSu by freemo@qoto.org
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(DIR) Post #A4e5cmOu3GYTGoVl3Y by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T22:02:55Z
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What is it with conservatives and this "there are only two sexes" nonsense... Are they trying to convince us they arent any smarter than a grade schooler or something. Anyone who has had more than an elementary school education knows full well its not that simple...#LGBT #transrights
(DIR) Post #A4e5oBLpcvBXq1VmvQ by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-25T22:05:30.178523Z
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@freemo it is that simple unless you list deformities and birth defects. I was ok with separating gender and sex but now this shit is getting ridiculous.
(DIR) Post #A4e69OLGWR5AD4MP6u by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T22:08:56Z
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@a7 No the other combinations like XXY, XXX, XYY, etc are not considered birth defects or deformities according to science. Though you could say they are Atypical as they are only a few percentage of the population. But the fact that other sexes are infrequent doesnt make them suddenly not exist.
(DIR) Post #A4e6Bgh9G0xbi3gsvw by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-25T22:09:45.087811Z
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@freemo this shit is so fucking retarded.
(DIR) Post #A4e6HDYqUP7j5dRb72 by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T22:10:44Z
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@a7 like what is even your point... so your saying there are other sexes but you just want to call it a defect.. i mean ok whatever, how does that change the fact that it exists and is not one of the two sexes?
(DIR) Post #A4e6KTabLwYLfZoqtU by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-25T22:11:20.454403Z
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@freemo so fucking stupid Jesus christ
(DIR) Post #A4e6NKPNwZke42vtU8 by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T22:11:20Z
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@a7 Your right it is, trying to argue that something doesnt exist that clearly does, and is objectively verifiable is pretty retarded.
(DIR) Post #A4e6Q0TiV3qn7YEhHc by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-25T22:12:20.581704Z
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@freemo suck on a shotgun, this won’t help you get tranny nudes
(DIR) Post #A4e6TlePZPqkIC21nk by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T22:12:54Z
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@a7 yup, agreed. stupid as fuck, unless you have the education of a 3rd grader.
(DIR) Post #A4e6VNuqmqPxG8UZJA by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-25T22:13:19.028491Z
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@freemo ok retard
(DIR) Post #A4e6YpDfjH2AoBw6iW by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T22:13:52Z
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@a7 Woa, thats some serious projection you have going on there.. just come out of the closet already. Obsessed with what trannies look like nude now, your not hiding it well man.
(DIR) Post #A4e6axNqLXbOhxi5tg by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-25T22:14:19.421692Z
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@freemo blah blah blah blah
(DIR) Post #A4e6eyo107UMHEs0lE by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T22:14:42Z
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@a7 well look at you, you disproved me, clearly you are way more mature than a 3rd grader afterall.
(DIR) Post #A4e6fyEMcloImcfPnc by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-25T22:15:13.717537Z
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@freemo cool thanks
(DIR) Post #A4e6qlRyTxCoKZBEOW by yarra@neckbeard.xyz
2021-02-25T22:17:10.863612Z
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@a7 @freemo i mean i liked where they were going with this but then they all fucked it up and started demanding random pronouns and validation from normal people. i still don't necessarily hate gender-retarded people, i certainly hate the ones on the internet.
(DIR) Post #A4e6yyYzbyG5JjNWV6 by Lumeinshin@pleroma.skyshanty.xyz
2021-02-25T22:18:40.835699Z
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@freemo its that simple, otherwise you get into the weeds of defining the different types of man and woman by the type of hairline they haveits ultimately irrelevant to anyone elses lives.
(DIR) Post #A4e718ULgIAEg8Ehrk by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T22:18:52Z
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@yarra Pronouns are about gender, not sex, not even related to what is being discussed. I do agree the pronoun stuff is obnoxious and can mostly be ignored. But a few people acting rediculous really doesnt change the established science behind the spectrum of sexes that exist naturally.@a7
(DIR) Post #A4e74HjfkzHsE7uCK8 by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-25T22:19:37.077636Z
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@yarra @freemo and then this “there aren’t two sexes” shit, how do people reproduce? Sex. What does it need to happen naturally? Male and female sex. Then its like “what about these genetic defects and people with ovarian cancer!” What about them?? Ya oddities exist big burn bro super smart 👌
(DIR) Post #A4e79unHxyY8oPHVui by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T22:20:29Z
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@Lumeinshin What are you on about.. why would we have to define the type of man or woman.. we already have a well established system of describing someone.. every combination of sex chromosomes has a name or can be described by the sex chromosomes involved, it isnt difficult.. "Bob has klinefelter's" now you know he is intersexed and exactly what type... how is that difficult?
(DIR) Post #A4e7FZMUZ0fm4wRZNQ by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T22:21:34Z
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@a7 every one of those cases are not as simple as the 3rtd-grade understanding you seem to have unfortunately.. wanting something to be simple doesnt make it simple.. biology is complex, your going to have to live with that fact.@yarra
(DIR) Post #A4e7LBBtLMy8qqA1AW by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-25T22:22:40.233462Z
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@freemo @yarra you are sofa king we tod ed
(DIR) Post #A4e7LDobaP7mzUHxmy by Lumeinshin@pleroma.skyshanty.xyz
2021-02-25T22:22:42.034422Z
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@freemo How is that relevant to anyones life except 'Bobs' and maybe his family?thats right, its not. Functionally, there are 2 sexesSimple as.
(DIR) Post #A4e7Q4xXwI7qyNmr0y by yarra@neckbeard.xyz
2021-02-25T22:23:34.449519Z
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@freemo @a7 i don't know the established science behind it. i would love to read about it tho. you can link me some books if you want. also i prefer books that aren't written by pedophiles. Pat Califia disgusts me.
(DIR) Post #A4e7Y5Yva6k39x5i8u by StarAStar@galacticpatrol.masto.host
2021-02-25T22:23:59Z
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@freemo biologically there are only 2 sexes, male and female. If people feel like they identify with certain traits not normally associated with their biological gender, they should be free to. But it is absurd on its face to attempt to redefine what gender is biologically. Conservatives are pushing back against the attempt to redefine natural law.
(DIR) Post #A4e7YQEQjVp7GSf8bo by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T22:24:58Z
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@yarra Its an entire medical disciplin but sure, there are tons of books, after i eat my lunch ill link you a whole host of papers ont he various variations.@a7
(DIR) Post #A4e7dFhrIG1Y4JjMUS by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-25T22:25:56.380775Z
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@freemo @yarra show me asexual reproduction of humans. Show me a self impregnating hermaphrodite.
(DIR) Post #A4e7fCDDFwPFoJK61Q by yarra@neckbeard.xyz
2021-02-25T22:26:16.275102Z
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@freemo @a7 i only know the queer theory stuff. i would love to hear about shit that isn't basically theories. :fox_love:
(DIR) Post #A4e7g0uAmUTn21o6vQ by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T22:26:09Z
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@StarAStar No you are confusing Gender and sex.. biologically sex is not as simple as male and female and there are a huge range of bio9logical physical variations (XX, XY, XXY, XYY, XXX, etc etc).. what you describe when it comes to how people identify, thats called gender and is a different topic than what we are discussing, which is sex.
(DIR) Post #A4e85JGjdqCnE4QGmm by yarra@neckbeard.xyz
2021-02-25T22:31:01.547373Z
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@a7 @freemo it's a fetish dude. obviously these people don't care about whether their genes live on or not. family does not matter. nature is irrelevant to them. it's meaningless to talk about reproductivity.
(DIR) Post #A4e8HXw4w7fOBnazSq by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T22:33:05Z
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@a7 What are you on about? There are a handful of cases but not sure what point your getting at.. You trying to argue if someone is infertile or if their chromosomes dont line up with their genitals then they dont have a sex or some nonsense? Your making no sense.@yarra
(DIR) Post #A4e8NEqynSKmkCvP1c by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-25T22:34:14.628280Z
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@yarra @freemo if some one wants to wear a dress or live with their genital deformities or odd chromosome combinations I dont give a shit but sex, sexual reproduction, functional sexs as in reproducing male and female. Like it doesn’t even have to do with their personal lives as outliers ita just fucking weird like why deny that one person has a peepee and one person has a vagene and one cooms in the other to make baby. Why is this a war crime to these people?
(DIR) Post #A4e8NNUcfwnZXTXAvY by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T22:33:57Z
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@yarra sure, there is no shortage of medical leiterature on the various forms sex can take, happy to share it.@a7
(DIR) Post #A4e8V9s1CxuPbcBfJQ by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-25T22:35:40.906415Z
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@freemo @yarra sending out the virtue signal commissioner Gordon we need the xxyxyyman-er human !
(DIR) Post #A4e8XBcRg2Jpbns0X2 by StarAStar@galacticpatrol.masto.host
2021-02-25T22:33:45Z
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@freemo look. You can get fancy with the chromosomes, lol. But at the end of the day, either you have the ability to father a child, or you have the ability to mother a child. You either run on testosterone or you run on estrogen. No amount of makeup or surgery is going to change your ability. Its not a rights issue at all to me. It is a logic and truth issue. I don’t give a crap what people do to themselves. But don’t push your agenda on me trying to change the truth
(DIR) Post #A4e8XBwIUECMbN9rTU by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T22:35:58Z
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@StarAStar No matter how much you might want biology to be as simple as a 3rd grade biology lesson it wont be.. There are plenty of men or women, even ones with perfectly common sex expression, who cant give birth to a child.. are you going to seriously tell me a woman who is infertile is suddenly not a woman... Sorry but its not that simple.
(DIR) Post #A4e8bgfcAhdB4QUyhs by icedquinn@blob.cat
2021-02-25T22:36:51.684450Z
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@freemo @StarAStar oh good, the biological fundamentalists yet again.
(DIR) Post #A4e8n1OZSMhwX8vnF2 by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T22:38:48Z
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@icedquinn these are just people who cant understand anything more complicated than elementary school, so they insist everything must fit their grade school lessons... its just confirmation bias in its most extreme form.@StarAStar
(DIR) Post #A4e97gGNDkIZ4fwpoO by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-25T22:42:38.765665Z
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@freemo @icedquinn @StarAStar some countries don’t have grades or elementary schools please make your statement more inclusive this is very western centric and possibly racist to use as an insult.
(DIR) Post #A4e9Icz9kOya5u7AkC by icedquinn@blob.cat
2021-02-25T22:44:37.565919Z
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@freemo i have seen this very boring argument play out many times. it's inherently uninteresting.:blobfoxsmug: you don't need surgery you need mental help:blobcatthink: actually they tried that in the 80s and early 90s and the efficacy of hormone replacement was higher than the efficacy of Bob Hart's "STOP IT!" therapy.:blobfoxangry: well chromosomes or something.:blobcatshrug: ok so are XXYs men or women because they come in both variants:blobfoxangrylaugh: ITS ABOUT GETTING PREGGERS DAMN IT:blobcatfingerguns: so a woman is only a woman because she ovulates and a sterile woman is a fleshbag.:blobfox0_0: whatever trans agenda exists is rich people spotlighting them as their latest division measure, all the trans i knew just wanted their dysphoria resolved and to not be axe murdered.@StarAStar
(DIR) Post #A4e9hK4PD9rufXLTyy by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T22:48:57Z
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@icedquinn I agree entierly, but one thing I like to emphasize which you didnt touch on (though your points very important all the same) is this isnt even a transissue alone.. There are a **lot** of intersexed people, born somewhere in the middle on the spectrum who have no desire for surgery or therapy, they just want to live the way they were born, which happens to be intersexed... These people arent trans but they are intersexed.The spotlight always seems to be on the trans part of it, and thats a big issue so I think its great people bring up that part. But I think the non-trans intersexed community typically gets ignorred and people forget they are a big part of it too. Even the people doing the hating seem to only think about the trans people and forget that its not just about trans.@StarAStar
(DIR) Post #A4e9yjwGHl4Tp1qEEK by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-25T22:52:13.830774Z
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@freemo @icedquinn @StarAStar how can you call them intersexed? Doesn’t that imply you are using two standard sexes? Isn’t the phrase intersex itself bigoted to them going by the nonsense guidelines you’ve set?
(DIR) Post #A4e9z06mAQzLyGsqq8 by Agni@bakabakufu.nsfw.cafe
2021-02-25T22:52:16.626919Z
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@a7 @freemo @yarra I don't know if anyone needs to hear this but klinfelter syndrome isn't its own sex, it's a set of symptoms occurring in males. XYY syndrome is likewise a genetic condition occurring in males. XY gonadal dysgenesis on the other hand is a genetic condition that occurs in females. There is no third sex and freemo is a fucking retard.
(DIR) Post #A4eA66l3qGeYcd7Eie by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-25T22:53:34.121920Z
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@Agni @freemo @yarra I think its rather obvious he is just attempting to feel superior to people at this point rather than provide any real point
(DIR) Post #A4eA7Wug5EdM1wI9vU by yarra@neckbeard.xyz
2021-02-25T22:53:50.341834Z
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@Agni @a7 @freemo based and only2sexes-pilled
(DIR) Post #A4eAA9LCBI6Rn5wcka by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T22:54:08Z
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@Agni kleinfelter syndrom is considered to be part of the intersex spectrum. In other words, they have some qualities of males, others of females.I never claimed there was a third sex either, so clearly your reading skills are as excellent as your biology skills. Intersex does not imply that there are more than 2 sexes, it implies that sex is a spectrum and they can and do fall anywhere on that spectrum from female, to ambiguous/both, to male.@yarra @a7
(DIR) Post #A4eAAkhTHQuFeteR6m by Agni@bakabakufu.nsfw.cafe
2021-02-25T22:54:24.926011Z
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@a7 @freemo @yarra wHaT R u iN 3rd gRadE
(DIR) Post #A4eAF53NY5ffwRxiSm by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-25T22:55:11.211667Z
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@freemo @Agni @yarra what is the others outside male, female and intersex(intersex BTW is referencing male and female)
(DIR) Post #A4eAGi00Efz11E9wiu by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T22:55:15Z
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@a7 Well considering your earlier comments feeling superior is definately one of the things going down here. Little doubt in my mind most people are superior to you and a few others in this chat.@Agni @yarra
(DIR) Post #A4eAIgtXJQtYAn51Dk by icedquinn@blob.cat
2021-02-25T22:55:50.231482Z
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@freemo the spotlight is part of an ongoing divide an conquer. keep them talking about some super-minority of the population that is basically a non-factor, don't talk about the disaster that is common core or the upcoming critical race booklets that say "math is not an objective truth."@StarAStar
(DIR) Post #A4eAJjCuCUPrdOdOIS by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T22:55:55Z
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@yarra So much for your lead in with "yea I'd read the literature"... I was in the process of compiling the medical studies for you but I see now that would be a waste of my time to carry through on I guess.@Agni @a7
(DIR) Post #A4eALTVlWnfrXAHygi by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-25T22:56:20.521832Z
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@freemo @Agni @yarra :kek: Such an understanding and virtuous man
(DIR) Post #A4eANXnwXMGnQbmInA by yarra@neckbeard.xyz
2021-02-25T22:56:43.522655Z
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@freemo @Agni @a7 dude i'm memeing, i actually want to read more about this stuff
(DIR) Post #A4eAS8NCW9Dk0CSTB2 by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T22:57:27Z
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@a7 Huh, what do you mean others.. thats like saying "warm doesnt exist because there is only cold and hot".. there arent others, it is a spectrum, there are people who are not clearly one or the other, there are people with both, there are people who are strongly female or strongly male.@Agni @yarra
(DIR) Post #A4eAZgWxv36ny0csN6 by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T22:58:09Z
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@yarra Alright let me finish that for you then. You ok with peer reviewed literature (tends to be highly technical) or would you rather me find you less academic work that is geared more towards the lay person?@Agni @a7
(DIR) Post #A4eAaOVOQFzkLsEF1s by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-25T22:59:02.084938Z
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@freemo @Agni @yarra I’m asking what they are not making a statement on their existence what other sex are there other than intersex(which is referencing male and female so kinda bigotted!!!!), male and female. Name the other.
(DIR) Post #A4eAfkNOXArjdD2Xei by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T22:59:57Z
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@icedquinn So you think they are only attacking biology and sex because its an easy first target and the next step is to convince everyone math is as illigitimate as they claim biology is?I'm not sure its that calculated or intentional but I can say its usually the same sorts of morons who think all scientists are in on some grand global warming consipracy and some even go so far as to think the earth is flat and all of science is a scam... so .. yea it does seem to be similar circles.@StarAStar
(DIR) Post #A4eAot85MMWNNvEp0q by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T23:00:51Z
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@a7 you seem to be really struggling what I said or following the conversation.. who said there was a third sex? No one is claiming that.@Agni @yarra
(DIR) Post #A4eAs2ig9yerzsrIci by yarra@neckbeard.xyz
2021-02-25T23:02:14.366186Z
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@freemo @Agni @a7 doesn't matter. if you read them you can rank them or something if you want.
(DIR) Post #A4eAt53owRb5XzF5Si by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T23:02:22Z
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@a7 As I said earlier, the issue is that people think people are "one sex or the other" .. which isnt how it works.. people have qualities of each sex in varying perportions. sex is a spectrum not a dichotomy. @Agni @yarra
(DIR) Post #A4eAv5x4bDTMtG2xnc by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-25T23:02:46.441465Z
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@freemo @Agni @yarra
(DIR) Post #A4eB0ZOQZ5mVeGS608 by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-25T23:03:46.281843Z
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@freemo @Agni @yarra ok so this is just straight retarded intellectual posturing ffs you a pathetic human
(DIR) Post #A4eB3AQnpQLR6FnlYW by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T23:04:08Z
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@a7 Right, as I said, sex is a spectrum, and there arent only two sexes, spectrums are continuous not discrete. Discrete things are countable, continuous things are not.@Agni @yarra
(DIR) Post #A4eB715SVoHVHGeay8 by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-25T23:04:56.050165Z
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@freemo @Agni @yarra straight retarded dude, like legitimately a pathetic sample of a human. I now understand why p hates you so much.
(DIR) Post #A4eB7NaOrS6T3bIcFc by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T23:04:54Z
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@a7 I know its hard for you to understand topics that have any degree of complexity.. so I can see why you might think that, but no. The point is and always has been that sex is a spectrum, not a discrete dichotomy.@Agni @yarra
(DIR) Post #A4eB9XhoCxeN1NnQP2 by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-25T23:05:23.382853Z
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@freemo @Agni @yarra fart sniffing post nice buddy 👌
(DIR) Post #A4eBI8VVGTVRTZ8cim by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-25T23:06:56.561284Z
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@freemo @Agni @yarra this is like that kid that goes “you know a tomato is a fruit” this is what you’ve done. You are scum of the earth. The flat eart BTW earth is flat.
(DIR) Post #A4eBMSvfHJfpyJRIhs by StarAStar@galacticpatrol.masto.host
2021-02-25T23:07:31Z
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@freemo @icedquinn I haven’t once insulted you, yet you insult at every turn. Unfollowed for inability to converse civily
(DIR) Post #A4eBNRogtrLAoLe5o0 by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T23:07:49Z
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@yarra So the first thing to understand is that the intersex spectrum falls on a pretty wide set of variations and can manifest in different ways.One simple manifestation is that a person can appear male or female yet internally have the other sex's physical components. For example a man can have ovarian tissue where his testicles would be (and they would feel and look like testicles) and a woman can have testicales where her ovaries should be. In fact its even more complex than that, a person can have what medical profesionalls call "ovotesties" which is tissue that is somewhere between the two and serves the function of each.Here is a paper that talks about how specific hormones determine the development of the gonad tissue ont hat spectrum and how it can be measured as a non-invasive way to help measure ones natural place on the spectrum.https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0303720703003277@Agni @a7
(DIR) Post #A4eBU22H9QdKsd8hcm by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T23:08:59Z
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@StarAStar I wasnt aware I insulted you (though I did insult several people in this conversation)... As far as I'm concerned I have had no reason to insult you and didnt intend to do so at any point, so sorry if it came across that way.. Do what you must though.@icedquinn
(DIR) Post #A4eBWtSdULtD9dpkmm by Agni@bakabakufu.nsfw.cafe
2021-02-25T23:09:37.255264Z
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@freemo @yarra @a7 >it implies that sex is a spectrumThis is a moronic political interpretation of genetic anomalies serving a very narrow non-scientific purpose. By this loose interpretation all biological life occurs "on a spectrum" and defies any categorization whatsoever. What is a "human being" really? If you'd like I can bookmark the thread and come back once I have my medical degree in hand to tell you again that you're fucking retarded.
(DIR) Post #A4eBb20Veh60opeQ7s by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T23:10:16Z
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@a7 Except for the fact that that tomato happens to be hundreds of thousands of human beings who are constantly told their scientifically confirmed sexual state is nonsense.. so yea, not exactly the same.@Agni @yarra
(DIR) Post #A4eBf7dwdty7SP2zDc by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-25T23:11:05.630396Z
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@freemo @Agni @yarra na you took trans peoples actual issues, disregarded them and then did self serving mental masturbation.
(DIR) Post #A4eBmiXVrTgRuqf05I by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T23:12:22Z
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@Agni Yes all biological life exists on a spectrum, that is true, and hardly nonsense, its the scientific norm.No it doesnt defy categorization, because scientists are smart people and are more than capable of categorizing things even when they exist on a spectrum.. in fact its not even tricky, when something is mostly on one side of the spectrum that is the label we use, whent hey are we call them intersexed.. boom, categorized, no problems at all... No different than we do with humans if your arent so ignorant to cause issue over it.@yarra @a7
(DIR) Post #A4eBoi5SVyvD5kULZY by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T23:12:42Z
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@a7 Whatever delusion you want to tell yourself buddy.@Agni @yarra
(DIR) Post #A4eBpGJpF4cFG9TIga by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-25T23:12:55.539546Z
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@freemo @Agni @yarra
(DIR) Post #A4eCFlkuyzWsHxmdWK by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-25T23:17:43.177256Z
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@freemo @Agni @yarra like *takes bong rip” color wheels mannnnn
(DIR) Post #A4eCs6hvX6VaH1fJMu by icedquinn@blob.cat
2021-02-25T23:24:38.448506Z
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@freemo >scientific conspiraciesi suspect deference and gatekeeping goes a long way. you don’t have to be “in” on anything if you are unknowingly working on the wrong postulates.@StarAStar@galacticpatrol.masto.host
(DIR) Post #A4eD7KixhYFE5bPT2e by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T23:27:18Z
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@icedquinn Yes but its a big leap to go from "some scientists are working on bad theories" ... to "the overwhelming consensus, along with extremely easy to understand proof is just the result of everyone being wrong at the same time".The fact is things like the earth being flat or global warming being human caused are very trivial things to confirm, there is a lot of science beyond that that is quite difficult, but just proving those two points is so trivial that you just arent going to get much disagreement.
(DIR) Post #A4eDMuZ6jALHamEEnQ by icedquinn@blob.cat
2021-02-25T23:30:12.419873Z
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@freemo the few times i interacted with people pushing climate points, they were extremely condescending. to the point of "we don't need to explain anything, the smart people have agreed you need to stop having nice things or the earth will blow up."did not inspire confidence.
(DIR) Post #A4eDonRQo6Xlbew1NQ by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T23:35:08Z
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@icedquinn Well no one is under much obligation to teach anyone else. That is unfortunate of course, but you have to keep in mind scientists like myself usually have a lot of time demanded of us by conspiracy theorists like flat earthers, or the earth is only 4,000 years old or whatever, for the most part climate change deniers often (though not always) arent much different. It would be trivial to step someone through step by step how we can be certain of climate change (as I said the evidence and conclusion is relatively trivial).. The problem is most of the time these people arent there to learn why climate change is true, they are there to argue their side ad infinitum and just waste everyones time, and eventually after however long the debate evolves into "well how can I trust scientists they are paid mooonnniiieeessss".If you or anyone has a sincere desire to understand why human caused climate change is real, and dont understand how the dots are connected I will always be happy to walk you through it, but if you already come in with your mind made up and without the expertise to validate that, then its likely going to be a waste of my time to try.
(DIR) Post #A4eDsMim5ujNtRkUam by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2021-02-25T23:35:53.116163Z
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@a7 @freemo @Agni @yarra
(DIR) Post #A4eDzx7VA9mAoEvsO0 by yarra@neckbeard.xyz
2021-02-25T23:37:17.273200Z
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@georgia @a7 @Agni @freemo egg looks boring. i don't like stationary things. let's get rid of all eggs.
(DIR) Post #A4eE4xR3Pxc3EeSrtw by lain@lain.com
2021-02-25T23:38:09.896555Z
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@georgia @a7 @Agni @freemo @yarra sperg lel
(DIR) Post #A4eE6PrlCMS3hXeT1U by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T23:38:21Z
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@georgia Thats actually not that far off from the science... though usually more like testical, ovotestis, ovaries. It is the gonads that exist on a spectrum more so than the gametes, though there are also abnormalities in gametes.@Agni @yarra @a7
(DIR) Post #A4eE7dZdid7AVLl4KW by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2021-02-25T23:38:33.630841Z
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@yarra @Agni @a7 @freemo good luck achieving oogamous reproduction without an oocyte sessile is bestsile
(DIR) Post #A4eEAmXErE3lAN8PA0 by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2021-02-25T23:39:08.702140Z
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@lain @Agni @a7 @freemo @yarra THAT'S MY FAVORITE PART
(DIR) Post #A4eEHbyqUwTwSUIvQ0 by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2021-02-25T23:40:27.383676Z
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@freemo @Agni @yarra @a7 ovotestis aren't a spectrum. they're a combination of ovarian and testicular tissue. and gametic anomalies does not a third sex make.
(DIR) Post #A4eEjODxElkXu0cJ2e by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T23:45:22Z
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@georgia Who said anything about a third sex? I have pointed out several times its not about there being a third sex, its about there not being 2 discrete sexes but rather a continuous spectrum of sexes between 2 extremes.Likewise the existance of ovotestis **is** a spectrum, and I linked a scientific paper that even goes into the expectrum of the ovotestis and one way on measure wear on the spectrum a particular person's ovotestis happen to be.This should be obvious as it has tissue with properties of each end of the spectrum and can develop closer to one end or the other to any degree at all on that spectrum.@Agni @yarra @a7
(DIR) Post #A4eEjUelK0l5qtCney by meowski@fluf.club
2021-02-25T23:45:30.890805Z
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@freemo @icedquinn @StarAStar >There are a **lot** of intersexed people, born somewhere in the middle on the spectrum there really aren't that many people with genuine intersex disorders. it's probably less than 1% of the population- but if we believe the libtard media then you'd think everyone falls somewhere on this ambiguous sex and gender scale which is simply not the case. humans are sexually dimorphic. male or female. some of us have birth defects. not to discount the very real effect of hormone disrupting toxins in the environment on epigenetics, gene expression and sexual development. but when people say "a lot" of people are transgender, they're not referring to genuine birth defects. they're referring to mental illness that is exacerbated and encouraged by the globohomo media pushing sexual confusion on children
(DIR) Post #A4eF3qhD5aZhzw3ZgW by Agni@bakabakufu.nsfw.cafe
2021-02-25T23:49:10.820899Z
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@a7 @freemo @yarra Lol the retard defederated from me.
(DIR) Post #A4eF5H0OkyDBsvi8oK by thestrongest@shitposter.club
2021-02-25T23:49:27.504951Z
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@meowski @freemo @StarAStar @icedquinn There's a ton of lies in their dialog, for example, men have a 4x rate of transgenderism than women: https://archive.vn/EvzlM
(DIR) Post #A4eF9yc2ZIEGHwYoNs by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T23:50:10Z
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@meowski The estimated number is usually a bit closer to 2%, but depends on what your defining as the criteria, so the percentage is hard to pin down.With that said 1% is a huge number of people, we are still talking many many millions.One can of course argue that intersex is a minority of the population and you wouldnt be wrong to do so.. Doesnt change the fact that sex is a spectrum and that these people exist on the spectrum at a point other than its extremes.Its also important to note that while sex is a spectrum and being truely in the middle is the minority it doesnt make the importance of sex as a spectrum any less. There are males who will be close enough to the male end of the spectrum not be labeled as intersexed but still have some variation and female like qualities in low proportions (for example a lower than normal testosterone level or higher than normal estrogen levels).. We might call them men but recognizing the existance of the spectrum is as important for them as those in the middle.@StarAStar @icedquinn
(DIR) Post #A4eFLxlHYe6D7lbBRY by colonelj@kiwifarms.cc
2021-02-25T23:52:28.354135Z
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@a7 @freemo @yarra
(DIR) Post #A4eFQLVlCPIhwOQd0q by thestrongest@shitposter.club
2021-02-25T23:53:15.983578Z
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@meowski @StarAStar @freemo @icedquinn This one fact alone is very very interesting because it exposes a paradox that destroys gender theory:>Are male's brains different from female brains, explaining why men are more predisposed to desiring transition?or>Are male/female brains the same, but men are subject to more "trans influence"One of the above must be true.
(DIR) Post #A4eFcq3XSaDY9IBX7Y by meowski@fluf.club
2021-02-25T23:55:31.290642Z
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@freemo @StarAStar @icedquinn 2% is a very high estimate and probably wrong. estimates are as low as .01% or less>Doesnt change the fact that sex is a spectrum birth defects are a spectrum. sex is not a spectrum. the way sexual reproduction works is there are 2 gametes, one from male and female. 2 sets of chromosomes combine, one from the mother and one from the father. under normal circumstances, you have inherited one of each. anything else is a birth defect. end of story. it's evolved to be binary.
(DIR) Post #A4eFkIwoRMwZmVbCPw by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-25T23:56:25Z
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@thestrongest How does that expose a paradox... people disagreeing on which of two statements is fact, even within the same community, doesnt imply a paradox. It just means there are unanswered questions that are still open for debate. I think its fairly obvious men and womens brains on average are different. The issue only arrises when one assumes a woman must have a brain identical to the "average" womans brain, or a man must as an individual have a brain identical to the average male brain.@icedquinn @meowski @StarAStar
(DIR) Post #A4eFoFDwE9chOHUJzE by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2021-02-25T23:57:33.730652Z
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@freemo @Agni @yarra @a7 sex is a binary. the difference between asexual and sexual reproduction is reproduction by two unalike organisms--anisogamy. male and female. i think what you're saying is human dimorphic sex features, and in the case of ovotestis human gonads, very occasionally exhibit features of both dyadic sexes, but such edge cases usually end up being infertile. if what you're saying is "disorders of sex development exist, pheno and genotypic anomalies exist" then no one disagrees. it ultimately boils down to a semantic argument of what "sex" and "spectrum" mean. which is no fun.
(DIR) Post #A4eFoP3JgV4JsEayoq by meowski@fluf.club
2021-02-25T23:57:36.664331Z
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@freemo @StarAStar @icedquinn also an organism who has been exposed to hormones in utero, that may influence the development of sex characteristics is still one or the other- the inherent sex of the animal is determined at conception. the expression of sex characteristics can be altered, but that animal is still either male or female, unless there is a chromosomal abnormality, and these are the genuine intersex cases or hemaphroditesthe rest are just male or female with altered gene expression.
(DIR) Post #A4eFy0RK36oGQzP3LM by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-25T23:59:19.868094Z
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@freemo @georgia @Agni @yarra everybody is a big stupid head 3rd grade because im being an autistic mentally retarded faggot jerking off because i read some paper recently about muh spectrumare you playing a character? like this shit cant be real.
(DIR) Post #A4eG1iVsdp7LzjIwNc by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2021-02-25T23:59:59.442935Z
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@a7 @freemo @Agni @yarra autism is a spectrum
(DIR) Post #A4eGGK120MlqMPq652 by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2021-02-26T00:02:37.970367Z
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@SwampWitchHerbalist @freemo @a7 he has capital letters after his name, how dare you use mundane common sense
(DIR) Post #A4eGJjVpfHmUJ2sAsq by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-26T00:03:15.374451Z
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@georgia @Agni @freemo @yarra AUTISM IS A LIE DONT TAKE PSYCHIATRIC MEDICATIONS!!!!!! REMOVE THE WORM AND PARASITES VIA REGULAR ENEMA!!!!!
(DIR) Post #A4eGVuqrKeCywtW7yi by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T00:05:21Z
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@meowski 2% is a very high estimate and probably wrong. estimates are as low as .01% or lessNo its not an estimate that is likely to be wrong or right, its a matter of definition that can give a pretty large variation on the number.the 2% figure uses the broadest possible definition of intersex. If that is the definition being used its a perfectly reasonable figure and likely not overestimated at all. The thing is the definition may be too broad to be useful for some contexts, so not that its wrong, just that it doesnt apply to certain conversations. A more narrow definition of intersex can lead to much smaller numbers.This is in fact a common problem when we talk about labeling things that exist on a spectrum… if we consider the 98% center part of the male-female spectrum as intersex and male and female (non-intersex) being the 1% extremes on either end you are going to get a very different figure than if you divide up that spectrum a very different way.Its for this reason it isnt even useful to talk about who is or is not intersex, its a spectrum, there is no hard cut off point. birth defects are a spectrum. sex is not a spectrum. the way sexual reproduction works is there are 2 gametes, one from male and female.No thats not at all correct or in line with the science. While sexual reproduction is one aspect of sex, and is one of the many factors that go into to determining how scientists identify and classify sexes, it is actually a much smaller part than you seem to realize.for example by your definition any animals that happens to be infertile would not have a sex of male or female since they nether produce gametes nor reproduce, this would be wholly false of course and infertility doesnt negate your sex.Likewise we have all sorts of situations where the animals themselves are sexed on the male-female spectrum yet do not require the opposite sex to procreate at all.Literally nothing about this statement is true other than a grossly oversimplified grade-school explanation of sex, which is fine for little kids, but we are adults, and you should know better, it certainly doesnt match up with how scientists have always handled sex.@StarAStar @icedquinn
(DIR) Post #A4eGlSwWrZXH1daGeW by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T00:08:10Z
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@georgia No your confusing the act of sex, with the sex of the organism engaging in it.. The act of sex does not define the sex of the organism engaged in it.. your trying to warp the actual science behind how animals are sexed with your own biases, and it doesnt match the reality.Infertile women, for example are still women, they can not produce children, have no gametes to speak of, but are women because, quite simply, sex is not determines strictly by your gametes but by a whole list of features. Those features are not an "all or nothing" deal and thus sex, while generally favoring one end of the spectrum or the other, is still quite clearly on a spectrum.@Agni @yarra @a7
(DIR) Post #A4eGul0h3j7FfLxj72 by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-26T00:09:56.923417Z
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@freemo @georgia @Agni @yarra freemo right now
(DIR) Post #A4eGx6EX7fLK4GYKJc by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T00:10:14Z
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@meowski None of what you just said is actually true in terms of biology and really never has been.. thats just you trying to fit an already well established concept into your preconception of what it should be..What you are talking about is one of many sex characteristics, their genes. But they are not (by professional biologists) considered the defacto determinant of sex. In fact genetic expression is generally favored over the genes themselves when it comes to sexing organisms due to the contradictions that arise by looking solely at ones genes.@StarAStar @icedquinn
(DIR) Post #A4eH0kevHGjmJYdapE by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2021-02-26T00:11:01.850700Z
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@freemo @Agni @yarra @a7 dude sex literally refers to gametes. that's why female is defined as "of or related to the sex that produces eggs" and likewise male with sperm. also "infertile women have no gametes to speak of" bro are you for real "infertile people exist" is a babby-tier gotcha
(DIR) Post #A4eH25RJVAAV3NuOdU by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T00:11:09Z
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@a7 Not everyone, just the actual morons that are talking like third graders.. Thankfully you and others with that level of maturity are a small dying minority.@Agni @yarra @georgia
(DIR) Post #A4eH9YJWXu2mdIpDH6 by Agni@bakabakufu.nsfw.cafe
2021-02-26T00:12:37.506007Z
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@georgia @freemo @a7 @yarra Untag please, freemo defederated from me to own the fash.
(DIR) Post #A4eHAhIacqU2mxvyAy by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-26T00:12:49.572278Z
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@freemo @Agni @yarra @georgia
(DIR) Post #A4eHHVciQtKMbab08O by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2021-02-26T00:14:02.829749Z
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@freemo @Agni @yarra @a7 it's literally reverse. dimorphic sex of organisms only exists because sexual reproduction exists aka reproduction with unalike gametes. sexed bodies are just specialized gamete delivery/gestation vehicles.
(DIR) Post #A4eHJdcFghO9yNOUjo by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2021-02-26T00:14:27.079259Z
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@Agni @a7 @freemo @yarra sure bb
(DIR) Post #A4eHKejB2XMTi67PmK by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T00:14:38Z
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@SwampWitchHerbalist Notice the word defect doesnt even show up once in that long quotation you just pasted....And no they dont only effect males or females.. some result in people on one end of the spectrum or the other, other conditions do not.@a7
(DIR) Post #A4eHUMTNlWQPzRMIjo by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-26T00:16:23.197908Z
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@freemo @SwampWitchHerbalist
(DIR) Post #A4eHZqpSKW6VaMIjLc by meowski@fluf.club
2021-02-26T00:17:23.309893Z
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@freemo @StarAStar @icedquinn >by your definition any animals that happens to be infertile would not have a sex of male or female since they nether produce gametes nor reproducethis is absolutely NOT what i said.i said sex is determined at conception.it's determined by the combination of chromosomes from gametes, not by *whether* an animal produces gametesi think you need to just read up on basic mammalian sex determination https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK9967/
(DIR) Post #A4eHfxK16P9PSbVTSi by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T00:18:22Z
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@georgia looks like someone needs to open up a medical dictionary. They are defined by their reproductive organs and the function (expression) of their genetics, which entails a rather long complicated list of what constitutes function in any one species.You will never find any medical dictionary defining sex **solely** on the basis of gametes, in fact you likely wont even find the word games in the definition in most medical dictionaries.One sec let me get mind and find their exact wording.@Agni @yarra @a7
(DIR) Post #A4eHp7hjrxccGeyRIO by meowski@fluf.club
2021-02-26T00:20:09.044726Z
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@freemo @StarAStar @icedquinnsex characteristics != sexsex is determined at conception. gene expression is where you see the variety in expression of sex characteristics. this in no way invalidates the last few hundred million years of normal sexual dimorphic evolution that brought us where we are today however.we do have some very real problems now with hormone disrupting environmental toxins that i attribute part of the rise in gender confusion to. this still doesn't mean sex isn't binary
(DIR) Post #A4eHseo1FvltnYb2zQ by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T00:20:36Z
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@meowski And that is incorrect.. the genes are of course one aspect that determines sex, it is NOT the only one. The expression (what you physically develop) and your function (how you behave and what you can do) are all aspects of what determines sex, and in fact the more common definition you will find.@StarAStar @icedquinn
(DIR) Post #A4eHvRPBXFhT6dJ9nc by meowski@fluf.club
2021-02-26T00:21:17.601972Z
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@freemo @StarAStar @icedquinn you're using the globohomo libtard newspeak definition of sex. you're the one that is not correct
(DIR) Post #A4eHys2swZQIb9Vr72 by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2021-02-26T00:21:53.155627Z
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@freemo @yarra @a7 you're talking about sex determination in humans. i'm talking about sex. again, sexed bodies only exist insofar as they are idealized gamete makers and gestaters. (the latter in the case of oogamy) you'll find it is you who is obfuscating here.
(DIR) Post #A4eHzKLzh7LUOWfVmi by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T00:21:52Z
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@georgia Yup as expected the medical dictionary says pretty much exactly what I just said, that sex is defined by ones reproductive organs (not the gametes) and ones function. The exact wording is as follows:" Either of the two divisions, designated female and male, by which most organisms are classified on the basis of their reproductive organs and functions"-- The American Heritage Medical Dictionary@Agni @yarra @a7
(DIR) Post #A4eI0HGieNBP7FedFo by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-26T00:22:09.058775Z
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@freemo @georgia @yarra untag ME REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe :blobcattableflip: you are an unpleasent fucking retard that enjoys sniffing their own farts, you just endless go “READ A BOOK” “YOU ARE GRADE SCHOOLERS” you purposefully presented this entire thing as bait, not expressing your actual thought, you could of just posted “i read this cool paper about sexual dimorphism and spectrums” but no you presented your argument in this retarded way then acted like it was your argument and some sort of “duh common knowledge man stop being grade schoolers”you are a fucking weird egotistical dishonest faggot and your very presence is uncomfortable and reeks of future serial killer.
(DIR) Post #A4eI2neXDYvS8Hzr28 by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T00:22:28Z
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@meowski According to biologists sex characteristics are how sex is determined yes.. saying it isnt so doesnt make it so.@StarAStar @icedquinn
(DIR) Post #A4eI6jNz1YfO3c856u by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T00:23:12Z
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@georgia The OP was never about the physical act of sex, we are talking about what sex a person is.. so if you are talking about something else, thats fine, thats not the topic.@yarra @a7
(DIR) Post #A4eI8xTlb3I2LVteHg by meowski@fluf.club
2021-02-26T00:23:44.170793Z
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@freemo @StarAStar @icedquinn >according to biologistsno. post a sourceread the link i posted just a minute ago. it does not say sex characteristics determine sex. it says chromosomes determine sexgenes + expression determine the phenotypethe underlying genetics determines sex
(DIR) Post #A4eI9xs1cxX9qhithg by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2021-02-26T00:23:55.265646Z
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@freemo @StarAStar 99.9% of all human beings have one of the two major karyotypes. Everything you mentioned that isn't XX or XY: none of them have ever reproduced. Some of them cause severe defects too such as Downs Syndrome.If one day, someone with an XXY chromosome pairing reproduces, and their kids reproduce, then maybe humans will get a third karyotype. It still might not be a different biological sex. Some reptiles and amphibians and fish can change their sex during their lives. For some reason, the vast majority of mammals can't (I'm not sure if any of them can actually).Jellyfish have seven different stages; possibly seven sexes if you want to define it that way. Human beings, and pretty much all mammals, have two. We don't know why most animals evolve 1 or 2 and rarely 3 or more, but that's the way it is on Earth.
(DIR) Post #A4eIJoTLQLpxb5sJYu by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T00:25:35Z
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@a7 It is such an obvious fact it really doesnt need to be expressed as anything more than common sense or accepted science... I entierly expect the few morons who cant see past their nose will come out of the wood work.. thats not who the post is for, but it does serve my purpose to know who are the morons who arent worth giving attention to in future conversations and who are bright enough to have valuable input on future discussions..gotta throw a goose egg out from time to time to weed out the idiots and keep the timeline clean.@yarra @georgia
(DIR) Post #A4eIQAL927Nz9l4KTw by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-26T00:26:49.838989Z
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@freemo @yarra @georgia the dictionary definition you pulled out on georgia doesnt even agree with you and you have to link your paper and go through weird fucking steps to even “prove your point” you dont have a point you are just a weird little faggot masturbating on the internet.
(DIR) Post #A4eIQmGW1mGImPCAXg by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T00:26:49Z
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@meowski Sure thing I can post a source. In fact I already did earlier in the conversation, it has almost the exact wording I use (reporductive organs, function):"Either of the two divisions, designated female and male, by which most organisms are classified on the basis of their reproductive organs and functions"-- The American Heritage Medical Dictionary Notice the definition says nothing about genetics.@StarAStar @icedquinn
(DIR) Post #A4eIVHTbvXVujoT4Bk by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2021-02-26T00:27:44.346409Z
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@freemo @yarra @a7 i'm not talking about coitus. i'm talking about the fusion of unalike gametes. medical dictionaries will naturally have an anatomical take rather than a broader one. which is, of course, that sex refers to gametes. if sex didn't refer to gametes, and just genitals, then it wouldn't be meaningful to call plants male and female. it is possible to have dimorphic gametes without dimorphic sexes, but not vise versa.
(DIR) Post #A4eIWHwTgJRaTIRzn6 by meowski@fluf.club
2021-02-26T00:27:57.087465Z
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@freemo @StarAStar @icedquinn post a link, i want to read the whole thing. you're misrepresenting
(DIR) Post #A4eIZVlkjHhYDwyFqC by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T00:28:24Z
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@djsumdog The 99.9% figure is wholly false. Though you would be correct if you said that true intersex in the middle of the spectrum is rare.As for if they can reproduce or not, I wont argue that many can not... so what? A person doesnt cease having a sex when/if they become infertile. That really doesnt mean jack.@StarAStar
(DIR) Post #A4eIc3Nmj6PV3MyLQ0 by meowski@fluf.club
2021-02-26T00:28:59.705160Z
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@freemo @StarAStar @icedquinn you're talking about secondary sex characteristics (gene expression), not primary sex determination- the inherent sex of the organism
(DIR) Post #A4eIgsMN8VwOJZbwEC by realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T00:29:51.712640Z
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@freemo They actually don’t say that, they say “there are only two genders”, which shows how little they know about the nomenclatureWhat they actually mean is “there are only two sexes”, which is indeed correct, but sex and gender are two VERY different things and you’re not going to have a constructive conversation about trans issues, trans rights and the trans agenda if you don’t have a full understanding of the basics such as the difference between gender and biological sex
(DIR) Post #A4eInCACQ57hTKvkg4 by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2021-02-26T00:31:00.179551Z
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@freemo @meowski @StarAStar @icedquinn It's literally well under 1% of people and we don't see more because they literally cannot reproduce.If you're talking about the gender social construct stuff, that's different and it's a social science. It's like saying Intelligence Design should be taught in Biology class and not Social Studies/World Religions class.If you want to believe in a billion genders, that's fine, but you've now left the realm of biology and entered the world of philosophy. For the most part, that's fine, whatever. You do you. I don't really care. But where I do care:* Men destroying women in sports. We split out on biology because it fucking matters. HRT (estrogen specifically) actually increases bone density in MtF, giving them an advantage in some sports over their own natural biology.* Injecting children with puberty blockers. That's the same as castrating children to make them Castratos. We don't do that any more because it's insane. * Trans men breast feeding kids. They take hormones to produce milk .. and those hormones are in the milk, being fed to the kid.
(DIR) Post #A4eIoL2AvNtLH0iqWm by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T00:31:00Z
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@meowski Your link literally disagrees with you and says pretty much exactly what I already said, that sex is determined by your reproductive organs (gonads) and your function.. The image you just posted says exactly that, it is determined byt he gonads.As we determined earlier the genes is certainly something that determines that, and often goes hand in hand, but it is not the defining quality (as your own image you just pasted states).@StarAStar @icedquinn
(DIR) Post #A4eIsF2DAjiFpCbIBM by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T00:31:25Z
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@meowski No gonads (sex organs) are primary sex characteristic, your own image says it int he first line.@StarAStar @icedquinn
(DIR) Post #A4eIufQW1CHUG17otE by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T00:32:13Z
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@djsumdog No the number is 2% if we use the broadest definition of intersex, small when other definitions are used.Thre is no specific % however that is "right" since sex is a spectrum, so the percentage is defined wholly by where you place the cutoff. So its a self referential measure that really doesnt help much.@icedquinn @meowski @StarAStar
(DIR) Post #A4eIyagXaaUCi5UY6a by meowski@fluf.club
2021-02-26T00:33:04.068254Z
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@freemo @StarAStar @icedquinn READ MORE CAREFULLYit says determination OF the gonads, not determined BY the gonads"Primary sex determination is the determination of the gonads. In mammals, primary sex determination is strictly chromosomal "it doesn't get any more clear than thisprimary sex determination is chromosomal
(DIR) Post #A4eJ5q96VN7cghJCSm by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T00:34:14Z
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@realcaseyrollins the controversy today was spurred by a congresswoman literally saying there are only 2 sexes, not genders. In fact she went out of her way to have the word sexes printed on her little sign... So clearly your not speaking accurately of conservatives.https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1364719403498164226
(DIR) Post #A4eJCQKurWzsfTyOWG by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2021-02-26T00:35:33.332489Z
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@freemo Honestly everything you're saying sounds like what I remember learning in the church about creationism or what you can find in Ken Ham's Creation Museum outside of Cincinnati. It's all voodoo and weird percentages to make a religious case. We literally cannot have rational argument with you about this because it's seriously like talking to the Jesus freak walking around town with a wheel on his cross.@icedquinn @meowski @StarAStar
(DIR) Post #A4eJMUHz1NQ9p5Ora4 by meowski@fluf.club
2021-02-26T00:37:23.108209Z
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@freemo @StarAStar @icedquinn listen, i should have realized where this was headed so i'm going to duck out now, since you're going to dig your heels in. not sure if you're a native english speaker or not (i'll assume you may not be) but if you read the link i posted more carefully, you'll understand that it means something other than what you thinkit means gonads develop as a consequence of the primary sex determination, not they determine primary sex. re-read it please more carefully
(DIR) Post #A4eJU1Ri8vgYgUXj4y by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T00:38:37Z
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@meowski Here is a more nuanced paper that disagrees with what your saying and goes into details about how sex detmination is **not** strictly chromosomal but depends on the **expression** of those genes and thus must consider the entire pathway (literally what I said earlier):https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4880855/It goes into some detail as to how various sexes can and do arise contrary to their genes.@StarAStar @icedquinn
(DIR) Post #A4eJdoxxOj9EsHIY76 by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T00:40:17Z
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@djsumdog Funny, was thinking the same thing about you.. you literally pulled percentages out of your ass twice (mine came from actual numbers published by doctors)... go figure.@icedquinn @meowski @StarAStar
(DIR) Post #A4eJs7RhUHNyF61oTw by realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T00:43:05.260810Z
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@freemo AhhhhhhhI’m speaking more of the conventional “Conservative, Inc” (often considered to be #TPUSA adjacent) line of reasoning, I didn’t know of any drama todayEdit: no, no, it says “There are only two genders”. A popular catchphrase among the right, to be sure, but patently false
(DIR) Post #A4eJwMfyns4sdXjQki by meowski@fluf.club
2021-02-26T00:43:52.240277Z
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@freemo @StarAStar @icedquinn this looks like a very good paper. i saved it to finish reading laterhowever it deals with the downstream regulatory pathwys of sex develomment and in no way contradicts what i'm saying about primary sex determination
(DIR) Post #A4eJyMbg24JZ06fkGG by meowski@fluf.club
2021-02-26T00:44:13.876747Z
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@freemo @djsumdog @icedquinn @StarAStar you're more interested in being right than learning
(DIR) Post #A4eJybKVICUSfBkk4m by realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T00:44:15.869296Z
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@freemo lol
(DIR) Post #A4eK6HWKpImjXiwubQ by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T00:45:35Z
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@realcaseyrollins I stand corrected.
(DIR) Post #A4eKIb7bm8xfoHFx8C by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T00:47:51Z
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@SwampWitchHerbalist 1) none of what you posted refered to intersex as being a defect2) some causes of intersex can cause defects, others do not.A prime example would be androgen insensitivity syndrome. The person will have XY chromosomes but appear entierly female without any indication on the outside of being intersexed in many cases. Nothing about that would be seen by a casual observer as being a defect.@a7
(DIR) Post #A4eKTRxGCLZKZ4agwC by meowski@fluf.club
2021-02-26T00:49:51.119655Z
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@SwampWitchHerbalist @freemo @a7 globohomo poisoned everyone with hormone disrupting toxins and now they want to brainwash us into thinking it's normal :gay_frog:
(DIR) Post #A4eKhOQu5aedhD6Z60 by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-26T00:52:21.019614Z
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@meowski @SwampWitchHerbalist @freemo i saw he posted some “news” the thread makes a lot more sense now, he isnt masturbating for no reason, hes masturbating to a silly “gotcha” sign he found offense.
(DIR) Post #A4eKnHgS5yy6V8BdVQ by meowski@fluf.club
2021-02-26T00:53:26.309111Z
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@a7 @SwampWitchHerbalist @freemo yea i finally scrolled up to the first post in this thread and it's "hurr dum conservatives think trans isn't real" freemo are you some kind of corporate media shill or what
(DIR) Post #A4eKxpMtiBvDrs4FpA by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-26T00:55:19.693514Z
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@meowski @SwampWitchHerbalist @freemo im of the camp: trans are real, i personally dont think they should do it, but if they want to im not gonna stop them and i dont see a huge point in being a dick towards them about it as long as they arent a dick to me. My argument actually made room for being bugged by the sign that offended him, only if he remembered what the sign said we could have avoided this all… sigh
(DIR) Post #A4eKzZ9UyRNM9ad4vw by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T00:55:38Z
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@meowski I never mentioned trans once.. intersex isnt trans.. Trans is a person who is undergoing surgery to transition, intersex is someone born far enough away from the extremes of the spectrum to not consider them fitting descriptions.@SwampWitchHerbalist @a7
(DIR) Post #A4eLQZwI9j4EPgKgOe by meowski@fluf.club
2021-02-26T01:00:32.279105Z
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@freemo @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7 the original post has #transrights hashtag in it.>What is it with conservatives and this "there are only two sexes" nonsense.you've been indoctrinated. you're in a radical left wing environment so you probably feel obligated to make these idiotic statements to suck up to the power structure.it takes a special kind of person to do real science in such a hostile and highly politicized academic climate, so i don't entirely blame you for this partisan sniveling but if you do it on fedi you're going to get some pushback.
(DIR) Post #A4eLSglrj5Z6BHShpg by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-26T01:00:53.989144Z
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@freemo @meowski @SwampWitchHerbalist its not about what you mentioned, its about the root reason you made this thread what it was REALLY about, and it was really about a sign that bugged you and the sign referred to gender not sex. You made paper thin arguments and wrapped it in self serving “intellectual” fluff, all because a sign bugged you, and this conversation wasnt even needed, and the whole “grade school etc etc” the average person isnt studying sexual dimorphism and it would be weird if they did in the first place if they didnt work in the field, in fact the “3rd grade biology” gotcha isnt even a gotcha - its a normal functioning humans needed information to get through life in something that likely doesnt effect them.
(DIR) Post #A4eLfBgKcud7WXpjIu by meowski@fluf.club
2021-02-26T01:03:10.570137Z
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@a7 @SwampWitchHerbalist @freemo same, i definitely think there is something real going on. the sexual and gender confusion is not purely mental illness or imaginary. i also think a lot or most of this transgender phenomenon is a consequence of environmental factors, not just cultural.the psychiatrists however are exploiting it to an extreme extent and that's wrong. the problem of early life exposure to hormone disrupting chemicals does not mean that a person can then just switch to a different sex by taking hormones or mutilating their genitals. that is not a valid fix
(DIR) Post #A4eM1cuG5RHIKY2zdA by charliebrownau@liberdon.com
2021-02-26T01:07:13Z
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@meowski @SwampWitchHerbalist @freemo @a7 Only two genders existAll this trans shit is- Anti Population- Anti marriage- Anti Goyim- Anti White- Part of Agenda 21- Western DestructionIt isBrainwashingIt is MULATIONIt is inhumaneIt comes from World Zionist Jews, Kikes & evil traitorsIt is not based on - truth- science- realityIf it was "REAL" why does Medical sector, goverment and media cover up , censor & delete the massive amount of people with regret from doing it
(DIR) Post #A4eM2sD2fz3U56Qa6C by wowaname@anime.website
2021-02-26T01:07:26.047979Z
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@meowski @freemo @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7 sex chromosomes influence primary and secondary sexual characteristics in sexual species. there is nothing binary about it. nor is it a "spectrum" as that would imply a one-dimensional metric for sex.nature isn't binary, nor does it nor evolution "know" what sex is, quit acting like it's self-aware.
(DIR) Post #A4eMAbR6vDvENRh51s by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T01:08:50Z
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@meowski yes it had transrights hashtag, it effects their rights, My statement asserted nothing about trans people however, so the point still stands.>you've been indoctrinated. you're in a radical left wing environment so you probably feel obligated to make these idiotic statements to suck up to the power structure.What the hell are you talking about. Trump and his family have literally had dinner with my family before he ran for president, as have quite a few republicans congressmen. Not only is my environment clearly not only left, I've had direct involvement with conservative politicians.> it takes a special kind of person to do real science in such a hostile and highly politicized academic climate, so i don't entirely blame you for this partisan sniveling Keep talking out of your ass, you dont know the first thing about what environment I'm in.> but if you do it on fedi you're going to get some pushback.It had exactly the result I wanted it to have on the fedi.. It exposed the value, contribution, and education of many people to help me decide how much time or energy to put into future interactions with them. I got exactly the outcome I was hoping for, no complaints@SwampWitchHerbalist @a7
(DIR) Post #A4eMFlIJhH1gOq2ZkW by meowski@fluf.club
2021-02-26T01:09:47.283460Z
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@wowaname @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7 @freemo there are 2 sets of chromosomes. sex determination literally is binary under normal circumstances (other than birth defects)*primary sex determination* happens at at conceptioneverything downstream from that is immensely complex. that's where things get more ambiguous
(DIR) Post #A4eMJ52Uk6luVQDqgi by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T01:10:22Z
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@charliebrownau Trans isnt even the topic of the OP. We are talking about how people are born, not if or how they choose to transition later in life, thats a different topic.@meowski @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7
(DIR) Post #A4eMOe71lkOGjNzq9Q by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-26T01:11:22.760130Z
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@meowski @SwampWitchHerbalist @freemo ya i felt it was a bad move for myself and agree that it seems like they push it when you seek help about your confusion. But i dont really want to stop people from doing it themselves i dont know the solution. Lucky i wasnt female to male and didnt get any surgery so detransition wasnt so rough.
(DIR) Post #A4eMf41vAxBRkLR8We by ArdanianRight@freespeechextremist.com
2021-02-26T01:13:33.803125Z
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@wowaname @meowski @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7 @freemo Biological sex is determined by gamete size, which is binary. There's only eggs and sperm, and egg producers and sperm producers. Gametes are entirely binary.
(DIR) Post #A4eMhhZv6gEOyzb5eK by wowaname@anime.website
2021-02-26T01:14:49.543661Z
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@ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7 @freemo @meowski ok but im not a walking gamete
(DIR) Post #A4eMsy0INU4J6vJ0fQ by ArdanianRight@freespeechextremist.com
2021-02-26T01:16:04.558579Z
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@wowaname @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7 @freemo @meowski Biological sex is about reproductive roles, nothing else matters for such purposes. There are no reproductive roles other than egg producer and sperm producer.
(DIR) Post #A4eMxifEpzVaz2irIm by meowski@fluf.club
2021-02-26T01:17:43.956546Z
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@wowaname @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7 @freemo that paper i linked earlier has a wonderfully concise explanation:>Every individual must have at least one X chromosome. Since the female is XX, each of her eggs has a single X chromosome. The male, being XY, can generate two types of sperm: half bear the X chromosome, half the Y. >If the egg receives another X chromosome from the sperm, the resulting individual is XX, forms ovaries, and is female; if the egg receives a Y chromosome from the sperm, the individual is XY, forms testes, and is male. the pattern of X chromosome inactivation in females is also really interesting. women actually have stripes or spots, they're just invisible.
(DIR) Post #A4eMzC86lpfkevvhR2 by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T01:17:59Z
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@ArdanianRight So a woman born infertile or post menopause is not a woman, she has no sex since she can no longer reproduce?Think what you want but thats just absurd.@wowaname @meowski @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7
(DIR) Post #A4eN8Wtavt5vfaamhM by meowski@fluf.club
2021-02-26T01:19:41.250176Z
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@a7 @SwampWitchHerbalist @freemo well thank God you did not let the jews mutilate you
(DIR) Post #A4eNDqru6Np33uL5sW by moonbase@freespeechextremist.com
2021-02-26T01:19:51.025378Z
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@freemoexternal-content.duckduckgo.com.pngtw.pngEtfvKUFUYAUyIdS.jpg
(DIR) Post #A4eNK49FdnSVzCPsrw by meowski@fluf.club
2021-02-26T01:21:46.152653Z
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@freemo @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7 oh durr u so mad lmaoi've wasted enough time here
(DIR) Post #A4eNPMUWrvN4KAtVZY by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T01:22:38Z
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@meowski Yes, you have@SwampWitchHerbalist @a7
(DIR) Post #A4eNRHgLikX9zIL81A by ArdanianRight@freespeechextremist.com
2021-02-26T01:22:16.680938Z
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@freemo @wowaname @meowski @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7 You can call it whatever you want. The point is that there's no such thing as a non-binary reproductive role or a spectrum of reproductive roles.
(DIR) Post #A4eNWe1Q5aemimkdxA by wishgranter14@shitposter.club
2021-02-26T01:24:02.842119Z
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>So a woman born infertile or post menopause is not a woman, she has no sex since she can no longer reproduce?I think you need to rethink what you said, as it's absurd. It would be the same thing as saying that a dead person never existed because he's not alive.@freemo @ArdanianRight @wowaname @meowski @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7
(DIR) Post #A4eNWqt2G4fscXvdBo by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T01:24:02Z
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@ArdanianRight Sure, no one is claiming there is. A persons sex, however, is not defined or limited by their reproductive role (as is obvious by the fact that a reproductive woman is still considered a woman).@wowaname @meowski @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7
(DIR) Post #A4eNXwnNm6YbEho4oq by wowaname@anime.website
2021-02-26T01:24:15.788248Z
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@freemo @ArdanianRight @meowski @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7 i think the issue here is, while this stuff is correct from a reproductive standpoint, people use this reproductive definition of sex to define people in general, where it becomes less relevant. that's why there is so much conflict over this subject, because none of us are on the same fucking page.
(DIR) Post #A4eNZcmx8C0ZlUPCaW by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T01:24:35Z
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@wishgranter14 Exactly my point, it is absurd... your catching on!@wowaname @meowski @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7
(DIR) Post #A4eNfehuuUCjSAvSfA by wowaname@anime.website
2021-02-26T01:25:38.853402Z
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@freemo @wishgranter14 @meowski @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7 >your
(DIR) Post #A4eNsh6fIk6GeuidPs by wishgranter14@shitposter.club
2021-02-26T01:28:01.943320Z
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Dude, you are the one that made that point. You're literally admitting your own point was absurd.@freemo @wowaname @meowski @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7
(DIR) Post #A4eNvCN02GGSCSYMtc by ArdanianRight@freespeechextremist.com
2021-02-26T01:27:41.059140Z
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@freemo @wowaname @meowski @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7 Biological sex is, or at least what their reproductive role was or is supposed to be. You can call a barren woman either a woman or a eunuch if you like, and both would be correct in some respect,
(DIR) Post #A4eNw6bowLOUcduzlw by meowski@fluf.club
2021-02-26T01:28:38.701527Z
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@wowaname @freemo @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7 most of this confusion comes from the distinction between primary sex determination and sexual developmentembryonic development is incredibly complex so it's not a surprise that people have such wildly different views on ithowever the primary sex determination that happens at conception is a fairly well understood process- i recommend reading that paper i posted earlier
(DIR) Post #A4eO8Vz8PzyAndjyNM by wowaname@anime.website
2021-02-26T01:30:51.491682Z
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@meowski @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7 @freemo reading's gay i'm just gonna play video games later
(DIR) Post #A4eO8sl5kNP1QkLaBE by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T01:30:56.000103Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins there are only two sexes though, none of the other situations (intersex, Klinefelter’s, etc) are healthy specimens of the species and are not able to reproduce, so biologically speaking, homo sapiens is a sexually dimorphic species“gender” is a word that has been rendered meaningless by postmodernism
(DIR) Post #A4eOBq1kMISbpOXy2y by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T01:31:27Z
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@wishgranter14 Wow your a little slow on the uptake. The point was made to mock the absurdity of the claim I was responding to. The whole point was to show how absurd it is and it is presumed a reader wouldnt be so dense as to think I was making the point in earnest (though I seem to have underestimated you)...Literally the whole point of the statement was to show how absurd it is.@wowaname @meowski @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7
(DIR) Post #A4eOLnWEXUSQwcYWjA by meowski@fluf.club
2021-02-26T01:33:17.280352Z
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@freemo @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7 ps freemo, your ssl certificate on your blog is expired.
(DIR) Post #A4eOQwf7yI7GkaAdNY by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T01:33:55Z
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@wiggles Well few things..1) you are correct that the examples I gave were not necceseraly fertile or healthy conditions. However there are plenty of intersex individuals who are perfectly healthy, so thats not really much of a point overall.2) yes intersex people do tend to be infertile (though not all are)..However, how does either of those 2 points prove that sex is any less of a spectrum? Sounds like what your saying is that people at either extreme of the spectrum tend to be physically more healthy, which is fine, but doesnt negate the fact that its a spectrum.@realcaseyrollins
(DIR) Post #A4eORwQ2MUsuHjaSSu by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T01:34:14Z
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@meowski Thank you, I'll update it.@SwampWitchHerbalist @a7
(DIR) Post #A4eOTdOE5CpDqWXzii by ArdanianRight@freespeechextremist.com
2021-02-26T01:33:54.465698Z
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@wowaname @freemo @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7 @meowski I don't really care how people want to define themselves, how they want to dress, look, etc. What bothers me is when trans stuff with significant biological consequences like puberty blockers, HRT, and sex change surgeries get conflated with relatively harmless stuff like wanting to dress a certain way or have a certain haircut or calling yourself a different name or whatever, and all this stuff seems to get mixed together under the "gender" umbrella when they're not the same thing at all.
(DIR) Post #A4eOdhXhUvApcbmN7Y by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T01:36:30.625732Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins the sex of an organism refers to its reproductive capacity, so there are only two roles to be filled in the sexual reproductive capacity of homo sapiens, hence the species being labelled “dimorphic.” A disorder like intersexuality obviously does not diminish the value of the person who has it, and hopefully it doesn’t diminish from their life, but ‘intersex’ isn’t a sex because it doesn’t describe one of the roles that the species needs to be fulfilled in order to procreate: one produces an egg, and the other sperm. Klinefelter’s is not a sex for the same reason. There are two sexes: male, and female. End of list.
(DIR) Post #A4eOgAvlCkKTLXDFMe by wishgranter14@shitposter.club
2021-02-26T01:36:58.497237Z
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No, your point is absurd, because the fact the guy is dead does not nullify his existence, anymore than the fact a woman is post-menopausal nullifies her fertility.You just don't want to admit that the purpose of sex is procreation.@freemo @wowaname @meowski @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7
(DIR) Post #A4eOj1dSDjr9O10cu8 by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T01:37:29.072556Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins And “gender”, as far as I can tell, is anything you want it to be
(DIR) Post #A4eOmcvw0I8pvuN2Aa by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T01:38:01Z
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@wiggles > the sex of an organism refers to its reproductive capacity, Not really, its part of it, but not the whole of the definition.If you have a woman who is born infertile but otherwise has every indication of being a woman, would you declare she has no sex because we only define sex through reproductive capacity? Of course not, because we dont, sex is defined in a much more nuanced way than just your ability to have kids.@realcaseyrollins
(DIR) Post #A4eOtgBIKL5O25uyHY by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T01:39:24Z
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@wishgranter14 Yes exactly that is why it was absurd... you really are struggling to keep up, but bless you your trying.Also notice the fact that you ignored my primary example which is a woman who was born infertile, the woman who went through menopause was the secondary example.@wowaname @meowski @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7
(DIR) Post #A4eOtvfGlAyY3P3caO by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T01:39:26.381759Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins I’m not saying that intersex people have no sex, I’m saying that they exhibit a mix of the two sexes. They are not, however, a novel sex. ‘Infertile woman’ is also not a novel sex, it is a woman who cannot reproduce.
(DIR) Post #A4eOxEFq6FRQZtjhuS by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T01:40:03.191346Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins If intersexuality becomes a heritable trait, we can talk
(DIR) Post #A4eP1idX57ZnxsxYR6 by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T01:40:44Z
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@wiggles Oh sure, I never claimed they were a novel sex at any point... I claimed that sex is not a discrete characteristic where a person is male or female, it is a continuous spectrum where a person can be some perportion of male or female depending on how they develop, which a majority of people favoring one end of the spectrum.@realcaseyrollins
(DIR) Post #A4ePAKWw4tapo3ypI8 by realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T01:42:24.969038Z
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@wiggles @freemo Well, I think some people can’t change theirs. But it can quite literally be nearly anything, I think
(DIR) Post #A4ePAe4bPwoSPysTuC by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T01:42:22Z
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@wiggles It already is heritable, or at least some form of intersex. We only covered the fact that being intersex often coincides with lower fertility, which is true, but its heritable despite this.. or at least in some cases.@realcaseyrollins
(DIR) Post #A4ePC4WeYNXSkSg7qS by wishgranter14@shitposter.club
2021-02-26T01:42:44.330512Z
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Yes, your points are absurd. I get that. But the fact one woman is born infertile does not negate the fact that biological purpose of sex is procreation. The biological purpose of teeth is to chew food, the fact someone might drink coca-cola too much and loose his teeth doesn't change that. Further, someone being born without teeth does not change their biological purpose either.@freemo @wowaname @meowski @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7
(DIR) Post #A4ePDwj4WWOj8ZNgJ6 by realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T01:43:03.829599Z
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@wiggles @freemo I’m not saying that intersex people have no sexWell that’s interesting…do they have any sex? 🤔
(DIR) Post #A4ePFQpe4kJwnbAEKG by wowaname@anime.website
2021-02-26T01:43:19.302163Z
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@ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7 @freemo @meowski i agree that making light of the issue is irresponsible, and it's because of the offhandedness shown by sjws that the word "gender" alone leaves a bad taste in my mouth by nowyes, modifying your own body (potentially irreversibly) is no joke, i agree with that, but at the same time i don't want to get hung up on semantics around the terminology used for all this. what's more impactful is spreading information about just how transitional procedures can go wrong, what side effects they have, how to determine if someone would truly benefit by taking this route. i don't support the pinkpilling, i don't support the unconditional acceptance (there are plenty of people that i deny are "actually trans" for reasons), i don't support the "if you feel like you're trans then you are" mentality. gender nonconformity (in the sense of traditional gender roles) is one thing, telling someone theyre trans when they arent is another.
(DIR) Post #A4ePLGvVog6joch1jE by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T01:44:22Z
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@wishgranter14 I never argued one way or the other what the "purpose" of sex is, please try to keep up. I have argued how one determines the sex of an individual and what that means, I never disagreed or otherwise address "purpose" in that.@wowaname @meowski @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7
(DIR) Post #A4ePPdsiPdtUAQT7Ue by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-26T01:45:10.035756Z
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@freemo @wishgranter14 @wowaname @meowski @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist try to keep up remix with dj freemo
(DIR) Post #A4ePPjsE8N4IkeHoZ6 by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T01:45:12.224748Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins it’s not a continuous spectrum, it’s a steep bimodal distribution where the vast majority fit neatly in one of two buckets and a small number are found with some random mix of characteristics from the dominant buckets
(DIR) Post #A4ePR5NzdYnNlCmr6O by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T01:45:13Z
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@realcaseyrollins Its really not that difficult.. they have qualities of both sex.. sex is not a simple "male" or "female".. its a bunch of traits that are considered one or the other and a person has some combination of those traits to varying degrees.@wiggles
(DIR) Post #A4ePTOR7mLGhQKLsKu by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T01:45:51.657076Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins if it was a continuous spectrum we would expect there to be far more intersex people
(DIR) Post #A4ePWsJT9fUKx8QoOO by wishgranter14@shitposter.club
2021-02-26T01:46:29.948006Z
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You're moving the goal post. The fact a woman is born infertile, does not change the nature of her sex.@freemo @wowaname @meowski @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7
(DIR) Post #A4ePcJOlsYy8PAVIwa by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T01:47:28.154701Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins its a bunch of traits that are considered one or the otherright, we have traits, and they’re one or the other, either male or female. The two sexes. We describe aberrations from this pattern in relation to these two categories. There is no other sex that features, for instance, novel sexual organs that nonetheless interface with penises and vaginas. Now that would be another sex.
(DIR) Post #A4ePiXIl6JVvGIexA8 by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T01:48:34.568598Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins the sex describes the name of the category. Intersex people are by definition between the two sexes.
(DIR) Post #A4ePm69A0I9OCWruNs by wowaname@anime.website
2021-02-26T01:49:13.510604Z
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@wishgranter14 @freemo as much as i'm enjoying this catfight, can you please untag me from it
(DIR) Post #A4ePmTHRzdRpwtvM00 by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T01:49:12Z
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@wiggles > it’s not a continuous spectrum, it’s a steep bimodal distributionYou just contradicted yourself there, a bimodal distribution is by definition continuous, you literally just agreed with what I said.It sounds like your confusing the term "continuous" with "uniform"... it is a continuous spectrum/distribution, it is not a uniform one (as you say it is bimodal)@realcaseyrollins
(DIR) Post #A4ePoGYeGa9v4Np9iS by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T01:49:38.219195Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins It’s accurate to say that an individual is capable of expressing traits that fall along a spectrum from masculine to feminine.
(DIR) Post #A4ePpklxPlTB4Il5EW by wowaname@anime.website
2021-02-26T01:49:53.679000Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins @wiggles i think it was a double entendre
(DIR) Post #A4ePshEH2qGGwpPGdc by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T01:50:26.106122Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins spectrums usually imply a linear relationship
(DIR) Post #A4ePttk40Zey2qqhSi by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T01:50:33Z
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@wiggles Yes much like hot and cold define two categories at either extremes of a spectrum and warm exists inbetwee... male and female is no different in that regard, they represent the two extremes of the spectrum and intersex is the space inbetween on that spectrum.Sadly the specific cutoff points arent clearly defined so it isnt always obvious where male ends and intersex begins for example.@realcaseyrollins
(DIR) Post #A4eQ1G0Tcvjh7o2FM0 by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T01:51:58.672842Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins except that when the biological specimen is healthy (fertile) it is never intersex, and the word ‘sex’ refers to the category as it pertains to healthy specimens from the species
(DIR) Post #A4eQ1KVosLBT6AjKlM by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T01:51:50Z
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@wiggles No, and it certainly doesnt imply that here. Spectrums just imply a variable is continuous, they dont imply they are uniform.Hot and cold is a spectrum, does that imply that something is just as likely to be as hot as the sun as it is to be room temperature? Obviously not, saying something is a spectrum makes no assumptions about the distribution.@realcaseyrollins
(DIR) Post #A4eQAKnrABAKbhScLY by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T01:53:31Z
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@wiggles Incorrect, while an intersexed person is less likely to be fertile, to claim that a fertile healthy person can **never** be intersexed is patently false. Intersex people can be perfectly healthy and fertile, they are just less likely to be so than a person at the extremes of the spectrum.@realcaseyrollins
(DIR) Post #A4eQDtx2wIpaUCSZqy by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T01:54:15.548025Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins I need a citation for that sorry
(DIR) Post #A4eQIlN0GvRXJrv3bM by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T01:55:08Z
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@wishgranter14 Jesus christ please try to keep up... thats the whole damn point.. as I explained it was intended as an absurd example to illustrate the absurdity of what I was responding to... pointing out that her infertility doesnt change her sex **was the point of what I said**..Glad to see you at least caught up, finally.@wowaname @meowski @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist @a7
(DIR) Post #A4eQeWGx5L9erkSlxQ by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T01:59:04.313427Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins regardless, individuals that represent a vanishing minority aberration in a species that doesn’t become a trait found in any large portion of the population doesn’t seem like it warrants a category, no? If 10% of the population was women with penises growing out of their pubic mounds then now that would be a new sex, we’d give it a name, you know?
(DIR) Post #A4eQjEgDv8s3kgX4t6 by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T01:59:56.004967Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins “the sexes” are the groups that the vast majority of the species fall into naturally, and there’s two of those
(DIR) Post #A4eQkWZasd6PXI2uf2 by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T02:00:02Z
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@wiggles Sure thats easy, there are plenty of cases. Here is one of the most extreme cases I know of, this individual developed physically as a woman (appeared woman) yet had male genetics. So is one of the more extreme cases of intersex. Yet this person was completely fertile (which is unusual as usually its people with less extreme intersexing that tend to be fertile):https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2190741/@realcaseyrollins
(DIR) Post #A4eQrSWcKSDh0Zxbii by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T02:01:14Z
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@wiggles Who is giving them a category? We are recognizing the nature of sex as a continuous thing rather than discrete.With intersex being 2% of the population if we use the broadest definition of intersex I'd say thats more than common enough to understand and describe it.@realcaseyrollins
(DIR) Post #A4eQs4foUi9fK6YUKW by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T02:01:31.451751Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins this example is just a female, what’s your point, that she had XY chromosomes? who cares, the SRY gene probably got fucked up or something, she’s a female
(DIR) Post #A4eQxEjmVJT1z4sAwS by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T02:02:27.552387Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins hopefully biologists. It’s not helpful to anyone to have more than two categories, or three really with the third being intersex which is defined in relation to the other two as we established, it’s only helpful to gender ideologues
(DIR) Post #A4eR2UPVewxI2btabY by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T02:03:17Z
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@wiggles Sort of, the sexes are two ends of a spectrum, most people are closer to one end or the other so we identify them with that end of the spectrum, nothing more.. Usually we define people in simplistic terms more for social reasons than science.. it helps people feel like they fit in if you create discrete groups your either in or not in.. if you tell sally with a beard she has high testosterone and has qualities of a male and a woman sally might not like that very muhc, she much prefers to just say she is a woman, and society usually follows along.@realcaseyrollins
(DIR) Post #A4eR6aWirReCAXDw6y by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-26T02:04:07.872966Z
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@freemo @wishgranter14 @wowaname @meowski @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist t-t-try to keep uptry to keep uptry to keep uptry to keep up
(DIR) Post #A4eR6bPfZ9bEuwvoky by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T02:04:09.406291Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins and I doubt intersex people are clamoring for the right to use one bathroom or another, I assume they just use whichever one they feel most comfortable in anyway, and same with sports, and for the stuff that’s more female-oriented I’m sure intersex people that menstruate or whatever get along fine identifying as women even if it’s not quite exactly right
(DIR) Post #A4eR8dFPiSGNBd6PGS by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T02:04:25Z
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@wiggles Why do you keep going on about more than two categories, no one said anything about multiple categories... again we are talking about a spectrum, spectrums always have two ends.@realcaseyrollins
(DIR) Post #A4eRANBaP7NBx28sIC by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T02:04:50.323420Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins because there’s not nearly the same number of individuals between the categories as there are inside of them
(DIR) Post #A4eRDxs8ShJibHkzR2 by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T02:05:28Z
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@a7 Says the persons who's first and most common counter point is "your retarded"... lol I love how you make fun of people for the same shit you do and think your clever or something.@wowaname @meowski @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist @wishgranter14
(DIR) Post #A4eRGFCD1W9auNEVnc by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-26T02:05:52.978222Z
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@freemo @wowaname @meowski @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist @wishgranter14
(DIR) Post #A4eRGrmhYHvIaYbBxI by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T02:06:00.647326Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins it’s not a spectrum, a spectrum implies some kind of even distribution, or continuous, as you said, and the one-time aberrations are just that, aberrations with no relation to one another, and very rare
(DIR) Post #A4eRLRSeqgdcOdPC8u by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T02:06:45Z
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@wiggles There is no "between the categories".. the categories dont define which region they exist on the spectrum clearly.. so there is no between.. its like saying "less things are warm than they are hot and cold"... that statement doesnt mean much when hot and cold are not strictly defined regions @realcaseyrollins
(DIR) Post #A4eRLeeTo2opJ42JsG by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T02:06:52.585466Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins a woman with high testosterone is just a woman, she’s not slightly more man because she has higher testosterone, that’s not how that works at all
(DIR) Post #A4eRMEaqB3IYmCbvCS by wowaname@anime.website
2021-02-26T02:06:58.112367Z
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@freemo @a7 @meowski @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist @wishgranter14 you seem to commonly find your way in situations which causes both you and your opponent to look retarded
(DIR) Post #A4eRbccb7fYPdulnO4 by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T02:09:39Z
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@wiggles your mincing terms.. I think you may misunderstand what continuous means.. an "even distribution" means something entirely different than a "continuous distribution" and I suspect your confusing these two may be where the problem lies.A spectrum implies a continuous distribution NOT an even (uniform) distribution.and no they arent one-time aberrations, there are literally 20 million intersexed people on the planet, far from one time aberrations. They arent all that exceptionally rare, just uncommon.@realcaseyrollins
(DIR) Post #A4eRtapuV07dJnZ9nc by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-02-26T02:12:59.289459Z
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@freemo @wowaname @meowski @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist @wishgranter14 i made an effort post for you
(DIR) Post #A4eRxYfSVHvlkcZHf6 by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T02:13:36Z
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@wiggles Generally that is what we would say.. yet by olympic standards she would be considered intersex, for example, and excluded from participating. @realcaseyrollins
(DIR) Post #A4eRyktAYErpwZYHJ2 by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T02:13:56Z
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@a7 Thanks, love it.@wowaname @meowski @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist @wishgranter14
(DIR) Post #A4eSJUp3TrhACDW9R2 by r000t@fedi.site
2021-02-26T02:17:41.761105Z
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@djsumdog @freemo @StarAStar also for jellyfish, theirs is a complete cycle and they can move through that cycle in both directions, in theory living forever
(DIR) Post #A4eTUPk4oF0nZyxVqa by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T02:30:51.957964Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins I’ll tell you what, I’ll meet you halfway. Intersex is a spectrum. Intersex people can have any number of traits from males and females, and account for .25% of the population. But since intersex is a spectrum of sexes and not a sex, then that leaves 99.75% of the population with two distinct categories. Most of the .25% cannot reproduce.Now, you’re a biologist. How many sexes does this species have? It has two, and a very small number of individuals that exhibit a mixture of the two but not a consistent mixture, it varies from individual to individual, so basically it’s two.If the rainbow was the ‘sex spectrum’ as you describe it, it would be a red bar that covered 49.875% of the length that was solid red and 49.875% that’s solid violet and a tiny sliver in the middle of all the other colors.Is that really a spectrum? Is that the most descriptive term you’d use for that pattern? No, it’s two categories, with some un-inheritable exceptions.
(DIR) Post #A4eUC4q1tJE3ULYzS4 by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T02:38:37Z
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@wiggles Well no, your still trying to apply discrete thinking to a spectrum.. you were closer with your lead-in statement about it being a bimodal distribution.. it is still continuous and even in the majority where we like to simplify things and say "male" there is still a spectrum there, we just dont really bother to make the distinction in any useful way.you will have some males that are more male than others, women who are more women than others. Its rude to point that out in humans, but no less true. A guy with a larger penis, more testosterone, less estrogen, bigger muscles, broader shoulders, more facial hair, he is closer to to the extreme end of male than someone who has much less of those qualities.Moreover there isnt some point where all of a sudden its intersex, the point on the intersex part of the spectrum as you call it that is closest to the part where you start saying "male" isnt all that different either.You are discribing a **continuous** spectrum, bimodal as you said, but with relatively low variance, thats all. The fact that you want to categorize things into discrete terms is imaginary, there is no cutoff where if you step a toe over the line and have just a little less testosterone your suddenly intersex or something. its continuous but the distribution is not uniform, thats **all**@realcaseyrollins
(DIR) Post #A4eUPPblyoD7fcFmXw by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T02:41:10.281245Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins >you will have some males that are more male than others, women who are more women than others. Its rude to point that out in humans, but no less true. A guy with a larger penis, more testosterone, less estrogen, bigger muscles, broader shoulders, more facial hair, he is closer to to the extreme end of male than someone who has much less of those qualities.no, this isn’t true, sex isn’t just hormones. You know why? You pump a guy full of estrogen and he will never menstruate and he will never be able to bear a child. It’s about the roles fulfilled by the healthy members of the species during reproduction, and that’s it, that’s what ‘sex’ is describing. There is no ‘intersex’ role during reproduction. There is a male role, and a female role. What is the intersex role? What other role could there be, for a dimorphic species?sex, unsurprisingly, is about sex! and babies!
(DIR) Post #A4eUazig3iMAqx0QzY by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T02:43:14.755213Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins the fact that sometimes an intersex person has enough sex traits from one of the two categories to successfully reproduce doesn’t imply that there are other sexes along some spectrum. What spectrum? A man who produces slightly less testosterone than another is not, in fact, more of a woman, unless he also has a uterus and bleeds monthly
(DIR) Post #A4eUojdqdIjl2hIbke by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T02:45:34Z
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@wiggles > no, this isn’t true, sex isn’t just hormonesI never said it was just hormones, in fact I listed a whole bunch of characteristics that define sex, hormone was just one of them.> You pump a guy full of estrogen and he will never menstruate and he will never be able to bear a child.No but he will grow breasts and even be capable of lactating and breastfeeding. Guess what, thats a female trait and yes, it would make him closer ont he spectrum to a female than someone who didnt have large breasts and didnt lactate.The fact that he cant bear a child just means that hormones arent the **whole** picture, yes it makes you **closer** to one end of the spectrum or the other but hormones alone will not be enough to change your sex, because sex is a list of qualities and hormones is just one aspect of that.> sex, unsurprisingly, is about sex! and babies!No, thats just part of it, not the whole picture. A woman who is born infertile is still considered a woman... why? Because sex and babies are not everything to defining ones sex.@realcaseyrollins
(DIR) Post #A4eV4diYQUMjIp5Hyi by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T02:48:37.330827Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins Because sex and babies are not everything to defining ones sex.I agree, but they are everything when it comes to taxonomic goals when describing our species at a biological level. An individual may exhibit sex traits along a spectrum of expression of those traits, however there are only two categories from which each trait is drawn. Each trait is either masculine, or feminine. When I say “there are only two sexes” I am saying that there are only two categories of sex traits that are expressed by homo sapiens. I am not saying that there are no individuals who express some combination of these traits.Is that clear?
(DIR) Post #A4eVA9um95LsblQsVc by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T02:49:28Z
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@wiggles > the fact that sometimes an intersex person has enough sex traits from one of the two categories to successfully reproduce doesn’t imply that there are other sexes along some spectrum.Why do you keep saying this when several times now I told you and reiterated over and over again that neither I nor anyone who discusses the topic for the most part, are claiming there are other sexes.. yet you keep saying it like your arguing against that point which was never made.There is a spectrum, a spectrum that has two ends, male on one, female on the other, period. There is not more than 2 sexes, sex is a spectrum consisting of those 2, and only those 2 ends on either side of the spectrum> What spectrum? A man who produces slightly less testosterone than another is not, in fact, more of a woman, unless he also has a uterus and bleeds monthlyhe is though, but only slightly, hormones as I said is such a small part.. however if is a man and has a uterus even if he doesnt bleed, then even more so, if he bleeds too, even more so than that, if he fertile, again more so... every male or female characteristic adds to where you are on the spectrum. No one thing makes you a woman but it will push you to one end of the spectrum or another.@realcaseyrollins
(DIR) Post #A4eVHLXpIw04hk7qeu by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T02:50:54.897879Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins you say this like every third guy has a uterus
(DIR) Post #A4eVVYib7b5hcGwOGG by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T02:53:20Z
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@wiggles > I agree, but they are everything when it comes to taxonomic goals when describing our species at a biological level.Except that simply isnt true. Even a scientist will recognize an infertile female as being a female.. because even if we are taxonomically classifying the sex of an individual their ability to reproduce is not the only determining factor, if it was a scientist taxonomically identifiying an individual of a population would not be able to sex infertile membersThe fact is, reproduction is only a part of how we define sex, it is not the whole of it.> An individual may exhibit sex traits along a spectrum of expression of those traits, however there are only two categories from which each trait is drawn.Yes thats just a fancy way of saying "every spectrum has two ends".. no one is "drawing" from a category there is no category.. there is a spectrum, and the category is drawn from the spectrum (you are referred to by the end of the spectrum you are closest to, nothing more).Again most of what you are saying isnt wrong, its that you keep trying to force a continuous spectrum into discrete categories, which simply isnt how it works@realcaseyrollins
(DIR) Post #A4eVaVVmTIFj7QIzPE by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T02:54:17Z
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@wiggles I do? where did I imply it was common? As we covered early on the spectrum is non-uniform.. non uniform spectrums are still spectrums.Individuals cluster closely to being strongly on one end of the spectrum of the other.. it is a bimodal distribution with low variance, thats all.@realcaseyrollins
(DIR) Post #A4eVspyn6wRvoMcCLA by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T02:57:31Z
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@wiggles Also while it isnt common it isnt so extremely uncommon either... You probably pass at least one significantly intersexed person every day, and have worked with them and had them as friends and never even knew it.. They are more than common enough to be part of everyday life.@realcaseyrollins
(DIR) Post #A4eWblKjERnOQtIXgm by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T03:05:48.790764Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins I mean, “spectrum” implies changing smoothly from one thing, to another, to another, and like I said, that’s not what you see, you have 49.875 in one color, no gradient, 49.875 in another, and a tiny sliver in between with randomly assigned traits, no patterns to group them by, to create a new category, and there’s no distinctive trait that applies to this group, nothing analogous to ‘sperm’ or ‘egg’. All the distinctiveness is at the individual level and the sexes are for describing the species as a sum totalit is a bimodal distribution with low variance, thats all.right, I said this earlier, but I couldn’t think of the word ‘variance’ because I’m awful at statisticswe’re agreeing on the basic facts, and arguing semantics, but I’m staking my ground because this is fundamentally a semantic issue. It’s not a spectrum because “spectrum” doesn’t adequately communicate the observed pattern. “bimodal distribution with low variance” does, perfectly, but then you’re admitting that all that the two sexes are is names for the two groups in that bimodal distribution. We’ll agree that an individual can express certain sex traits along a spectrum (like amounts of hormones) but other sex traits are more binary (uterus or not?) especially when looking at healthy (fertile) individuals. But “there are two sexes” means that there are two groups in the bimodal distribution that we named because it makes things like separating sports leagues easier, and describing who needs to see a gynecologist and who doesn’t. For the .25% of the population that doesn’t neatly fit in one of those categories, I trust they can sort themselves out. I have known people I suspected of being intersex, and they were doing just fine.
(DIR) Post #A4eWucRYVar8MaU080 by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T03:09:13.131070Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins further, not only is “spectrum” not a good descriptor for the bimodal distribution of sex, it’s injected here accidentally from the concept of “the gender spectrum,” which is a term unrelated to intersexuality or the two sexes and based on anti-scientific Continental philosophy
(DIR) Post #A4eWwBzxnl0yvOKLj6 by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T03:09:21Z
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@wiggles They do change smoothly, the percentages you indicate show a particularly small variance value, but that doesnt make the transition non-continuous (not smooth)... your trying desperately to redefine words to fit the language and view you really want to have. The slope is steep when variation is low, but it is still continuous and not disjoint, so your assertion doesnt apply here, if it were non-continuous you'd be correct.@realcaseyrollins
(DIR) Post #A4eX0lSnsvEo4mzsTA by meowski@fluf.club
2021-02-26T03:10:19.946077Z
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@a7 @freemo @ArdanianRight @SwampWitchHerbalist @wishgranter14 @wowaname this is what a phd program often does to people. the narcissism is just a facade. underneath it they've been subjected to a lot of bullying by their peers and are deeply insecureacademia fosters this neurotic behavior. the knee jerk "no, you're dumb" reaction to everything becomes more important than rational debate. i've seen it happen to many people. as a result of such merciless bullying our academic institutions are full of people who are too scared to do anything but reinforce the dogma. their work won't be published in the big establishment journals, and this means they won't get funding, and won't have the resources to continuefreemo clearly isn't a biologist and only has a rudimentary understanding of genetics, but that doesn't stop him from acting authoritative on the subjectnot that i approve of such appeals to authority! but if you want to be indoctrinated, i guess stick to the field you're indoctrinated in, or at least know what you're talking about
(DIR) Post #A4eX4G9qDm0W8onIXY by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T03:10:57.372766Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins sorry, you’ve used too many unqualified pronouns and I’m not sure what you mean, “they do change smoothly,” — what is “they”?
(DIR) Post #A4eX8JmUgv48XNoD8S by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T03:11:41.528198Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins I am not arguing that the transition is continuous or disjoint; I am arguing that it does not matter
(DIR) Post #A4eXDe1oq9P8mTW6q0 by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T03:12:39.655804Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins I’m arguing that as a metaphor, “spectrum” is the wrong one regardless, especially because of its origin in the overall dialectic
(DIR) Post #A4eXP5fMQLJFgQTCPA by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T03:14:37Z
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@wiggles they refers to male-female.. Literally doctors grade male-female on a spectrum.. im not making this shit up, its literally a continuous scale for each sexual characteristics (which together form the overall sex).Take the attached image as an example, it is a continuous transition from one to the other, the fact that 1 and 7 are the most common and 2 - 6 are less common doesnt make it any less of a continuous spectrum, there is no abrupt difference between one or the other, nor any one point you can say "this is when you stop being male".. This particular image is only about the genitalia, but if you consider every sexual characteristic whether its hormones, hair, figure, breasts, or reproduction, each and every one exists on a similar scale, a spectrum and none of them are discrete.@realcaseyrollins
(DIR) Post #A4eXcyQE9bnNGp0lqy by mittimithai@neenster.org
2021-02-26T03:13:44.139262Z
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@freemo @wiggles @realcaseyrollins No you don’t. ‘Significantly intersexed’ doesn’t mean anything. I’ve attached a useful graph.
(DIR) Post #A4eXcyp2fLe2VmcaX2 by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T03:17:06Z
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@mittimithai thats the chromosomes, we are talking intersexed, that includes ambiguous genitalia (regardless of your XY makeup) as well as hormone sensitivity, and a host of other qualities.According to peer reviewed papers (I'll be happy to link one) depending on which of several scientificially accurate definitions of intersex you use your looking at anywhere from 1 in 50 people being intersexed to about 1 in 1000... even at 1 in 1000 your probably encountering them more than often enough to be significant.@realcaseyrollins @wiggles
(DIR) Post #A4eXgfhrgCyINq1adc by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T03:17:53.900216Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins there is a point where the genitalia stops functioning and I do think that’s relevant for categorization. You wouldn’t describe any of the images, 2 - 6, as novel genitalia, would you? There are two normal ones in this image, and several unhealthy ones, I’m sorry, I know that’s rude and I’m sorry to anyone reading this who that hurts to hear, but that’s the breaks
(DIR) Post #A4eY4Kr8qv3efQeDGi by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T03:22:00Z
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@wiggles As we already covered, an infertile individual still has a sex, so the argument that some of these people may be infertile is not a valid one.Moreover having any of the genitalia on this chart does not guarantee you are infertile, though it is more likely to coincide with ambiguous genitalia... so its really not a very good argument on either front.If your going to say its "unhealthy" in what sense, I think you can say its not "normal" but thats already covered by the fact that its less common to be intersex and close to the middle of the spectrum than it is to be towards the extreme ends of the spectrum.. so not being common (aka not normal) isnt saying anything useful either.I think there comes a point where you have to admit to yourself your tryign desperately to fit the reality to your world view rather than the other way around.@realcaseyrollins
(DIR) Post #A4eY8yq28rIPpOLOWe by mittimithai@neenster.org
2021-02-26T03:21:37.334394Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins @wiggles Nope. Every condition not listed there (CAH, LOCAH etc.) that is under the intersex umbrella are people who are plain old males and females.
(DIR) Post #A4eY8zP82NMvaElQEC by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T03:22:53Z
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@mittimithai Ahh so the scientific and peer reviewed papers that claim you are wrong and give other percentages are just wrong and your right, got it.. talk to me when you get some scientists to agree with you then, until that point its just your (incorrect) opinion.@realcaseyrollins @wiggles
(DIR) Post #A4eYYSpzk44c6oTfpA by mittimithai@neenster.org
2021-02-26T03:25:08.835068Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins @wiggles I know this area inside and out. I made that graph and I have read all the papers from where those numbers come from. But go ahead, explain to me how people with conditions like CAH are somehow a mix of male and female.
(DIR) Post #A4eYYTJPyfbpa4FAga by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T03:27:29Z
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@mittimithai I'm not trying to explain anything to you.. I'm just saying a random dude on social media saying "I know this inside and out" and claiming peer reviewed scientific literature is wrong and he is right is worth very little to me.Now if you wish to show me how you "know this inside and out" by sharing a paper you got published ina scientific journal that disputes the existing numbers then by all means I'll be happy to listen to you and give your opinion equal weighting as those professional scientists who disagree with you.@realcaseyrollins @wiggles
(DIR) Post #A4eYq0SC0lVLI3i1mC by mittimithai@neenster.org
2021-02-26T03:27:52.133525Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins @wiggles Which numbers are you disputing?
(DIR) Post #A4eYq0tUNHL4eiTpK4 by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T03:30:39Z
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@mittimithai Well technically you are the one disputting numbers. I mentioned (and earlier in the coversation linked) scientific sources (professionals and some peer reviewed papers) that gave numbers on intersexed people in the population ranging from 1 in 50 to 1 in 1000. You are the one claiming that all the scientists who gave such numbers are wrong.Like i said that holds very little weight for me compared to actual licensed and respected professionals in their field.@realcaseyrollins @wiggles
(DIR) Post #A4eZrsi3sHA1o1acIS by mittimithai@neenster.org
2021-02-26T03:36:09.732870Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins @wiggles ‘intersex’ isn’t a scientific term, it covers a large set of completely unrelated conditions. Most people who are intersex are merely either male or female. The number of people with very specific conditions where SRY status isn’t aligned with sex phenotype (or the sex phenotype cannot be classified) is < 2/10,000. That stat should jump out at you an immediately remind you of the well known peer reviewed paper that it is from.
(DIR) Post #A4eZrt9iDTHLBmWhOa by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T03:42:10Z
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@mittimithai never said it was a clearly defined technical term.. in fact it cant be since sex is a spectrum there is naturally no cut off point on that spectrum where male ends and intersex begins.. which is kinda the whole point here...Regardless male and female **are** technical terms and scientists use intersex to mean, to varying degrees, anyone that isnt going to fit perfectly and wholly the technical definition of either of these. Some may be stricter others may be weaker but in all cases they are defining intersex in terms of technical definitions of male and femaleSo yes, I am going to trust scientists a hell of a lot more to ensure they are drawing that line based on those technical definitions than some guy from the fediverse who "spent a lot of time on it"The fact is, biologists know a hell of a lot better than you what the technical definition of the sexes are and your own definition appears ill informed and limited wholly to if a person has X or Y genes which not only are NOT the only genes that determine sex, they are not even the technical definition of sex which includes expression and function in the technical definition.So yea, ill stick with the science on this one, sorry.@realcaseyrollins @wiggles
(DIR) Post #A4eaBJJFCYIbo0FJPU by mittimithai@neenster.org
2021-02-26T03:44:32.167374Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins @wiggles sex is not a spectrum. male, female and 0.02% people who don’t fall into either of those two categories.
(DIR) Post #A4eaBJonJFXJNr0VaS by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T03:45:46Z
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@mittimithai Your opinion is noted. It is incorrect, but noted.@realcaseyrollins @wiggles
(DIR) Post #A4eadetqWSYWsJsqtU by mittimithai@neenster.org
2021-02-26T03:47:05.300416Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins @wiggles nope. basic biology. sperm and ova. bipotential gonads, sexual dimorphism etc. look in any clinical trial and tell me how many level you find in the ‘sex’ column.
(DIR) Post #A4eadfNyiQeuNlyurQ by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T03:50:51Z
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@mittimithai Suprisingly the "basic biology" you were taught in 3rd grade was only intended to be an introduction. Real biology is far more nuanced and complicated than what your 3rd grade teacher taught you about.Not sure what it is with people lately trying to insist their grade school teachings are more right because they are simpler.. I see it with people against core math, the PEMDAS "riddle" that circulated, the sexes.. Real science is not that simple, never was.But hey, like I said, the medical dictionary I quoted earlier directly disagrees with you. If you want to insist you know what medical terms mean more than a medical dictionary, go for it, I'll stick with the professional source until you get some credentials of your own.@realcaseyrollins @wiggles
(DIR) Post #A4ebRXOwfwe26ADLe4 by mittimithai@neenster.org
2021-02-26T03:57:32.700299Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins @wiggles Sigh. Here is the database of clinical trials in the US:https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/search/advanced?cond=&term=&cntry=&state=&city=&dist=How many categories do you find under ‘sex’?Why do you think people involved in the serious business of clinical trials organize their data this way? You live in an imaginary world where sex means more than male and female when it doesn’t.How many sex categories do you find here in this perspective on sex differentiation?https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5369239/Count how many sex categories you find on How many sex categories do you find in paper that call for the standardization of reporting sex of tissue culture?https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3919971/I could go on with 1000s of papers and you’ll never be able to name a sex category in humans apart from male and female.
(DIR) Post #A4ebRXmhFddxHpKJfM by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T03:59:51Z
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@mittimithai Huh, just because sex is a spectrum in no way implies that people cant be largely categorized under one or the other... Hot and cold is a spectrum, I can still tell if something is hot or cold.@realcaseyrollins @wiggles
(DIR) Post #A4ecXxG5YI59z6hAmG by mittimithai@neenster.org
2021-02-26T04:02:43.572213Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins @wiggles We use real-valued numbers to describe temperature in scientific . Sex is always a categorical variable in science.
(DIR) Post #A4ecXxldezJrYxSMxE by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T04:12:14Z
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@mittimithai Thats because, as we discussed earlier, sex is a bimodal, low-variance distribution. Therefore for most purposes it works just fine to identify a person by which peak in the spectrum they belong to.People can have a thousand shades of blue in their eyes too, yet you never see scientific data list the exact RGB value of a persons eyes, it will just say "blue".@realcaseyrollins @wiggles
(DIR) Post #A4ecyQxljZ4ldmkjBo by mittimithai@neenster.org
2021-02-26T04:15:44.314145Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins @wiggles Nope. It’s a dichotomous categorical variable with two values: male and female, rooted in the idea that there are only two gamete types: sperm and ova and only two development states of gonads (testes and ovaries) with associated machinery.People measure things like “blue” with colorimetry in a scientific context when they need to be precise with real numbers, colorspaces etc.Male and female are precise sex categories that need no further refinement. Go find any paper you want with human participants (clinical or otherwise), the sex column only gets two values: male and female.
(DIR) Post #A4ecyRQ827lF3k1NOS by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T04:17:01Z
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@mittimithai You can repeat incorrect information as many times as you want, wont start making it right.I'll stick with my medical dictionary that disagrees with you and the multiple studies from actual doctors who also disagreed with you, thanks.@realcaseyrollins @wiggles
(DIR) Post #A4edRnK1gOI9NrACYq by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T04:22:14Z
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@mittimithai And to be clear, despite being **capable** of measuring color accurately, we still dont in most studies, most of the time it would just list a color simply as "blue"..So you seemed to miss the point there, there point is, just because color, like ones eye color, and sex lie on a spectrum doesnt mean every study will care to ellucidate where on the spectrum it is in any detail beyond the vaguest description... the reason being, for most studies it simply isnt important to go into that level of detail.@realcaseyrollins @wiggles
(DIR) Post #A4edXhK0u7kiVnyMM4 by mittimithai@neenster.org
2021-02-26T04:20:59.049112Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins @wiggles Try reading some papers on biology, you’ll learn a lot that way.
(DIR) Post #A4edXhi7SV2DiZFbvc by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T04:23:00Z
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@mittimithai Was literally one of the developers on the Human Genome Project .. but thanks mr "I know better than everyone in medical science and even the medical dictionary"... clearly you read all the books.@realcaseyrollins @wiggles
(DIR) Post #A4ee9GVv1Y7uNASFl2 by mittimithai@neenster.org
2021-02-26T04:29:45.865525Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins @wiggles Eye color, color in general is measured with real numbers (usually in CIELAB space) when the most precision is demanded.How do we measure sex in serious scientific work in biology? Male and female. That’s it. There is no continuous variable that sex is the discrete version of.
(DIR) Post #A4ee9Km1BdNhaG1API by mittimithai@neenster.org
2021-02-26T04:27:55.548161Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins @wiggles A shame you didn’t learn more from your experience there.
(DIR) Post #A4ee9LCFc6MgtcI7IO by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T04:30:12Z
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@mittimithai Yea I might be smarter than the entire medical community, peer reviewed journals, and the medical dictionary just like you.. but alas we cant all be the smartest person in the world.@realcaseyrollins @wiggles
(DIR) Post #A4eeIVUehQaBRBGpqC by mittimithai@neenster.org
2021-02-26T04:31:39.016747Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins @wiggles Didn’t bother reading any of the completely non-controversial biology papers I sent you, huh?
(DIR) Post #A4eeNcDb7kIHk4jBlQ by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T04:32:46Z
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@mittimithai Looked at every link you sent actually.@realcaseyrollins @wiggles
(DIR) Post #A4ees5CruX7aKpumO0 by mittimithai@neenster.org
2021-02-26T04:33:26.774750Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins @wiggles And did you find a sex category other than male and female or any continuous version of ‘sex’ which is only known as a categorical variable?
(DIR) Post #A4ees5hi3rn7sULPSS by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T04:38:15Z
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@mittimithai I never claimed there was a category other than female or male, and we already covered the topic of continuous values and why, like eye color, they dont tend to be used in most studies. Though I did provide examples earlier in the thread of how medical professionals do use continuous values when it is necessary. Not sure why we are repeating it, I get it, when scientific sources directly prove your wrong as you said earlier they are just wrong , cause your right..but some link to a study that doesnt even address the topic can be twisted into some sort of reasoning to support you, you are all for it it seems... Been down that road, we did that, im over it.@realcaseyrollins @wiggles
(DIR) Post #A4efEmZtL0YJDgVX72 by mittimithai@neenster.org
2021-02-26T04:42:00.387773Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins @wiggles You are making no sense. Eye color is nothing like sex. That’s it.Sex is not a spectrum, it is not represented by a continuous variable in the context of serious scientific work (unlike color which is). This isn’t a matter of ‘most’ studies, this is how ‘sex’ is defined and used in the most serious, critical contexts.There are only two values for sex in any serious piece of scientific work wrt humans: male and female. That isn’t some sort of approximation, it’s simply reality. Do go out there and read some papers (like the ones I sent you) that focus on the matter of thinking about sex from various perspectives (cell culture, development differentation etc.) they explain why there are only two values: male and female.
(DIR) Post #A4efMjGnWLD9HEMkIS by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T04:43:53Z
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@mittimithai Repeating the same disproven facts over and over isnt going to suddenly make you right.. again, going to stick with the scietnist and medical dictionary, thanks.@realcaseyrollins @wiggles
(DIR) Post #A4efhag0fKekhr6dbk by BeachBleach@spinster.xyz
2021-02-26T04:45:32.254553Z
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@mittimithai @freemo @realcaseyrollins @ wiggles@counter.fedi.live Biologists don't use the word gender, because they are talking about biological sex. Sex is fixed (you can't change it) and binary. "Gender" is societally imposed roles, attitudes and bullshit. Nobody is born in the wrong body. If a girl wants to play with trucks, let her. If a boy wants to play with dolls, let him. Young children don't really know what biological sex is. Imposing gender stereotypes or telling them they are trans is abusive. People should dress how they want to, and act like they want to, without somebody getting on their case for it. No one is born in the wrong body.
(DIR) Post #A4efqvSYlQvfloGZWq by mittimithai@neenster.org
2021-02-26T04:45:36.520175Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins @wiggles No credible scientist or medical dictionary has any argument against what I am saying.
(DIR) Post #A4efqvvd1MBJDxrmq0 by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T04:49:19Z
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@mittimithai Except for all the ones linked earlier in the conversation that directly contradicted you I guess... but other than those... I'm done here, please move along, the last 5 or so mewssages are just you being either rude or repeating yourself, I have no more time for that.@realcaseyrollins @wiggles
(DIR) Post #A4egC1iOhYmxFhjgoK by mittimithai@neenster.org
2021-02-26T04:51:39.046550Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins @wiggles If you want to read some really clear biology:In Humans, Sex is Binary and Immutablehttps://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12129-020-09877-8
(DIR) Post #A4egC2A32kuGdSfluS by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T04:53:08Z
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@mittimithai I told you I was done, anyone who discounts peer reviewed scinece out of hand as "dishonest science" simply because it disagrees with them, without even following the link first, is **not** someone I wish to engage with.. please dont make me mute you, I'd like you to have a chance in the future to talk with me on a different subject (I always give people a second chance)... the conversation is over now.@realcaseyrollins @wiggles
(DIR) Post #A4egYHTulNAwWPZbpQ by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-26T04:57:13.530391Z
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@freemo @mittimithai @realcaseyrollins lol the biology community noticed the sex binary, it's gender studies people who are going on about spectrums, them and ideologues pretending to be scientists like Bill Nye
(DIR) Post #A4egwJ5ISGocRXVzJw by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T05:01:21Z
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@wiggles I literally shared with you a chart from the biology community showing one way they grade sex on a spectrum... so not sure what your on about. Gender studies people get a lot wrong and you have every right to criticise a lot of the nonsense that comes out of them. But the idea of sex being a nuanced property with many factors, each one on a scale, and thus creating a spectrum, is not their creation, and goes back a good ways in biology studies in general, its not some new aged thing.The gender studies contribution, and where it gets rather absurd, is when they start claiming there are multiple genders/sexes and not just a double-ended spectrum.@realcaseyrollins
(DIR) Post #A4eiRZSbif1cACtFOi by mittimithai@neenster.org
2021-02-26T05:15:27.419374Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins @wiggles Smart scientists discount peer reviewed research all the time. A great deal of it is incorrect.
(DIR) Post #A4eiRZvfyaHFcMUShs by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T05:18:18Z
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@mittimithai You aret a scientist i the field, you have never achieved any accomplishments to claim that honor, and no scientists dont discount peer reviewed papers without even reading them, afterwords with a careful critique maybe. Needless to say your not at that level@realcaseyrollins @wiggles
(DIR) Post #A4eicoWy1peq5ZI4Se by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T05:20:15Z
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@mittimithai You arent a scientist in the field, you have never achieved any accomplishments to claim that honor, and no scientists dont discount peer reviewed papers without even reading them, afterwords with a careful critique maybe. Needless to say your not at that level@realcaseyrollins @wiggles
(DIR) Post #A4eimmUAUGcidqjYtk by mittimithai@neenster.org
2021-02-26T05:20:18.661959Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins @wiggles I seriously can’t see the links you posted (I imagine it has something to do with the long thread, though I see the initial post). Scientists don’t have to read papers when they are anti-factual, it’s quite easy to dismiss them right away. But perhaps you’ve made an interpretation error, I can’t be sure until I know what papers you are talking about.
(DIR) Post #A4eimmrZ5HL3oPgFMm by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T05:22:11Z
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@mittimithai its 1am now and im in bead, so if you changed your tune from discounting it out of hand then remind me in the AM and ill be happy to dig them up a second time@realcaseyrollins @wiggles
(DIR) Post #A4eiqz3bgjSUn3JXEW by mittimithai@neenster.org
2021-02-26T05:21:25.587126Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins @wiggles Which field? Sex is a key biological variable from cells, to mice, to human physiology/psychology etc. pretty hard to avoid if you are anywhere near cells.
(DIR) Post #A4eiqzWJxyQYE6kSzQ by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T05:22:51Z
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@mittimithai A PhD in Biology in general would do.@realcaseyrollins @wiggles
(DIR) Post #A4ej6uR8dPjv5qulRQ by mittimithai@neenster.org
2021-02-26T05:23:22.919527Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins @wiggles And what makes you think I don’t have one?
(DIR) Post #A4ej6v5uBqLj8HzJz6 by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T05:25:43Z
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@mittimithai Your statements have made that painfully obvious. I've worked alongside enough of them (One of my degrees is in bio-algorithms). As I said earlier, whare any peer reviewed paper in biology to show you have a Ph.D. and id be happy to give you the consideration that entails, but seems obvious to me you dont.@realcaseyrollins @wiggles
(DIR) Post #A4ek44I5dnxmjytKaG by mittimithai@neenster.org
2021-02-26T05:32:44.870176Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins @wiggles I don’ have any need to share my publication record with you nor does it matter for this discussion.It is an elementary facts that there are only two sex categories in humans: male and female. These categories are not any sort of approximation like the hue of one’s eye color. Sex, the dichotomous categorical variable is a key biological variable in biological and clinical science. The NIH requires things like reported sex and sex balancing in general.There is no mystical continuous version of ‘sex’ that the dichotomous variable is approximating. It’s categorical like you’ll find in every single clinical trial and in any scientific investigation involving human participants.
(DIR) Post #A4ek44gCCBFHwkAa9o by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T05:36:27Z
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@mittimithai I already shared a link to a peer reviewed study where the subjects were literally categorized on a continuous scale by sex using several factors including one such scale that pretty much every neonatal doctor knows and uses when given birth to a child who is ambiguous.. so not that has already been disproven, and frankly, no one who had a PhD in biology wouldnt know about this, its common place.As I already said if you really cant find the links ask me in the morning and ill get them again, I am literally on a different computer in bed. trying to sleep@realcaseyrollins @wiggles
(DIR) Post #A4ekB7TCDfVMcyRs48 by BeachBleach@spinster.xyz
2021-02-26T05:04:38.124976Z
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@mittimithai @freemo @realcaseyrollins @wiggles Intersex people are NOT a third sex. Intersex people are abnormal combinations of X and Y gametes. Like single X, XXY, XYY, XXYY and so on.
(DIR) Post #A4ekB7qaogDhnXOYXA by Yemaya@spinster.xyz
2021-02-26T05:29:32.868885Z
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@BeachBleach @mittimithai @freemo @realcaseyrollins @wiggles Do you know that there is this idiot on Facebook claiming to be a biologist going around telling everyone that ALL people have combinations like this? Yup. Talk about a fucking fact check FB. smh And they believe her, too. It has tens of thousands of shares.
(DIR) Post #A4ekB8GTGSv75nVDs0 by mittimithai@neenster.org
2021-02-26T05:34:33.253270Z
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@Yemaya @BeachBleach @freemo @realcaseyrollins @wiggles Yep, lots of these sorts of people. Biology PhDs are a dime a dozen and it doesn’t certify someone is capable of elementary critical thinking.
(DIR) Post #A4ekB8fHmClmKl72Y4 by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T05:37:43Z
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@mittimithai Translation: you have no degree or any formal study of any kind, you spent a day once googling shit to try to argue for assumptions you already made and nowyou go around arguing nonsense that isnt remotely in line with the scientific literature because scientists are dumb and you know better.@realcaseyrollins @wiggles @BeachBleach @Yemaya
(DIR) Post #A4ekkhQIXPxAGo3hom by IRLStreamer@poa.st
2021-02-26T05:44:18.265247Z
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@freemo @mittimithai @realcaseyrollins @wiggles @BeachBleach @Yemaya stfu credentialist midwit
(DIR) Post #A4el2EccMKgU9nBOQy by freemo@qoto.org
2021-02-26T05:47:20Z
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@IRLStreamer Its not about credentials, its about demonstrating ones expertise and knowledge. I would give just as much credit and due consideration to a high school drop out who happened to publish a peer-reviewed article as I would a PhD. A PhD just requires one finish a thesis and will typically have more than one peer reviewed article they managed to post. So its a good bet they have demonstrated their knowledge and skill..But yea i guess its so horrible of me to give more credit to someone who has actually demonstrated they are an expert than some random dude who has never accomplished anything in the field but still thinks they know better than those who have.@BeachBleach @Yemaya @realcaseyrollins @wiggles @mittimithai
(DIR) Post #A4elKBzorPZJE3b8ca by BeachBleach@spinster.xyz
2021-02-26T04:57:06.735309Z
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@freemo @mittimithai @realcaseyrollins @wiggles Sex is not a spectrum in mammals, including humans. Anytime the TRA movement starts talking about "gender identity" I turn it off. They deliberately confuse the issue by using "gender" when they mean "biological sex". There are two genders, male and female. There is no "third gender". Intersex people are not a third gender. All the words they use like "genderfluid" "genderqueer" "Nonbinary" "Pansexual" are meaningless. They have no definitions for their BS. Sex is biological sex, gender is restrictive and stereotypical social roles imposed by society and other people. Men who think they can put on a wig, a dress, and make up and magically think that makes them a woman, are seriously delusional. No way they could ever have female breasts or female sex organs. Cutting your dick off and making a stinky, smelly, infected hole and calling it a vagina, doesn't make it a vagina. If you don't like the facts, then die mad about it.
(DIR) Post #A4elplvFKzJtcsW8Ke by meowski@fluf.club
2021-02-26T05:56:25.503374Z
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@georgia @freemo @a7 @yarra the difference between primary sex determination and development of sex characteristics is totally lost on him
(DIR) Post #A4eltPa8LCiVUqNSng by meowski@fluf.club
2021-02-26T05:57:04.986716Z
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@georgia @a7 @freemo @yarra tbh nevermind this thread is dead, i shouldn't have even tried to resurrect it disregard
(DIR) Post #A4enQImGlB03u6Iiyu by crunklord420@kiwifarms.cc
2021-02-26T06:14:13.008123Z
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@freemo @IRLStreamer @BeachBleach @Yemaya @realcaseyrollins @wiggles @mittimithai conflating mental illness with genetic defects is deeply offensive. Having a PhD means your mind has been deeply compromised to the point where you've paid to be officially certified as a retard.
(DIR) Post #A4epFPouR376T8TMFE by IRLStreamer@poa.st
2021-02-26T06:34:40.596067Z
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@freemo @BeachBleach @Yemaya @realcaseyrollins @wiggles @mittimithai Nullius in verba'
(DIR) Post #A4esXwcdW57nHHG7BA by trinsec@qoto.org
2021-02-26T07:11:35Z
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@freemo It might be easier once people realize that everybody starts out destined to be female. But because of the information in their chromosomes (or rather, the lack thereof, especially in the Y-chromosome), the XY-people (let's not delve in the more than 2 chromosomes now) get a larger amount of testosteron, turning them into males.But... sometimes that genetic information is borked, so you do have XY-people with feminine traits or XX-people with masculine traits.But eh, that requires reading or watching educational programmes. That's too much effort to most people. Science is scary, y'know? :P
(DIR) Post #A4et95iydZbCDqwCIa by trinsec@qoto.org
2021-02-26T07:18:18Z
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@freemo It might be easier once people realize that everybody starts out destined to be female. But because of the information in their chromosomes (or rather, the lack thereof, especially in the Y-chromosome), the XY-people (let's not delve in the more than 2 chromosomes now) get a larger amount of testosteron, turning them into males.But... sometimes that genetic information is borked, so you do have XY-people with feminine traits or XX-people with masculine traits.And then you have people who are just inbetween. Not enough of this, not enough of that.So, even though we're usually being thought that there is only 'male' and 'female'... it's in reality 50 shades of sex. 😋 But eh, that requires reading or watching educational programmes. That's too much effort to most people. Science is scary, y'know? :P
(DIR) Post #A4f2PAnESWjyABffyi by kpeace@liberdon.com
2021-02-26T09:01:03Z
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@freemo It has to do with controling how society thinks.Conservatives want society to think in an objective way. Reality is a given. If you see that humans are (nearly 100%) separated into two groups, that is how you need to accept it.The "Left" wants society to think in relitive and subjective terms. Reality is a nice hint, but how we think about it is how we should accept it. If someone feels as if he male, then he is male, regardless of what reality says
(DIR) Post #A4fLmzk55zXZy8GnZ2 by mittimithai@neenster.org
2021-02-26T06:10:40.129722Z
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@freemo @realcaseyrollins @wiggles Oh Fuck Right Off. You are referring to a Quigley scale. That is not a continuous measure of sex for christ’s sake. Your genitals can be shaped any which way, you are still almost certainly either a male or a female.
(DIR) Post #A4mC4qhzmYXvjFtAES by akeno@liberdon.com
2021-03-01T19:53:29Z
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We are living in #SodomAndGomorrah and in #Globalist #covidcult #MentalAsylum #insanity International #Alert Message about #COVID19. #UnitedHealthProfessionals#ALERT5InternationalCampaign #wakeup #sheeple"The lockdown « a global #scientificfraud of unprecedented proportions"https://www.globalresearch.ca/international-alert-message-about-covid-19-united-health-professionals/5737680