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(DIR) Post #A4ZaVImBvD0k9ZWDwm by diversity_racket@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T17:55:04.610430Z
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This is one of the most vile things I've seen this year (although that's not saying much considering it's only February...)There's a website that is building a list of Trump supporters -- and it is counting on friends, family, etc. to submit the names of Trump supporters they know. The list will then be used to ensure people who voted for Trump are "held responsible" and compares Trump supporters to 'domestic terrorists'.I don't care what your political affiliation is -- this is doxxing, intimidation and *will* embolden the 'far-right.' Such a waste of time, energy -- and will only sow more division. I'm only linking the site so people can see for themselves:https://www.trumpvoterlist.org/
(DIR) Post #A4ZoYIMVJjVV5ypEGW by Gnomeshatecheese@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T20:03:38.001254Z
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@diversity_racket There were echoes of this back in the day when Ravelry published its new policy of “no support for Trump or his administration in any shape or form”. Doesn’t this crowd also essentially equate being a Trump supporter with engaging in “literal violence”? How long until someone who buys into this takes thinks “offense is the best defense” and attacks or even kills someone they think voted for Trump? And if/when that happens, can anyone really honestly claim that “the left” hasn’t developed its own new flavour of violent political extremism? I used to scoff when pundits or commentators used the phrase “the far left”. I don’t anymore, even if I don’t necessarily view these people as being “more left” politically than myself.
(DIR) Post #A4ZoYIoVdbuOUpvauu by diversity_racket@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T20:22:46.388442Z
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@Gnomeshatecheese Oh yeah, it's such a slippery slope. Can't stand anyone who condemns all Trump supporters, as if they personally know their reasons for voting for him, etc. So condescending and elitist.
(DIR) Post #A4ZoYJCyAfTTihN82i by Gnomeshatecheese@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T20:28:24.498422Z
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@diversity_racket Worst thing is, they're doing this while patting each other on the back for being so progressive and such good people. The virtuous end justifying the whatever means necessary and all that.Quite frankly, this scares me. And very few things do.
(DIR) Post #A4Zuwet7oh2ddN5Gq0 by WaxJustice@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T21:38:40.517724Z
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@diversity_racket I didn't like it when Jordan Peterson was going to make a list of humanities profs pushing Postmodernism, and I sure AF don't like this. I've said repeatedly lately that we've been so concerned about authoritarianism on the Right that we've been cold cocked (pun intended) with it by the Left.
(DIR) Post #A4Zv7Ot9dun5CKDhLc by Hollahollara@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T21:46:51.609093Z
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@diversity_racket If it is the same failure of class consciousness I recall, the programmer is mentally ill. Does not matter a bit to me, bc he is happy to stay there in his desperation, and weaponize his self-hate against other citizens.Americans are allowed to vote as their conscience sees fit.
(DIR) Post #A4ZwTKDFo9Or1MdiXA by Chronic-Yonic@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T21:37:32.093219Z
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@diversity_racket This is sick stuff 😳
(DIR) Post #A4ZwTKWkdeznzplHvM by thepaltrysum@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T21:52:53.918599Z
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@Chronic-Yonic @diversity_racket It is absolutely wrong to doxx and am totally disgusted by this political intimidation. I do, however find it hard to have sympathy with Trump supporters. 🤷♀️ That shit around the Capitol attempted coup has left me feeling hardened as well as disgusted by them.
(DIR) Post #A4ZwTKt5IcrP76D7jc by diversity_racket@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T22:01:39.568616Z
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@thepaltrysum @Chronic-Yonic I understand the reluctance to be sympathetic, but I think it's important to distinguish between the two: the violent rioters are not all Trump supporters -- many Trump supporters condemned these actions. Some of the rioters were even well-known shit disturbers whose politics are unknown. In every single space I've been in -- including the workplace -- Trump supporters and Conservatives in general are vilified, judged, and treated like absolute crap. And they're not even asked their opinion on issues, or why they vote the way they do. People just make these assumptions about them without even bothering to ask. If we don't want shit like the Capitol events to happen again, this is not a good approach.
(DIR) Post #A4ZwZj6aAgxBxdZUki by COOL_FREE_RINGTONES@poa.st
2021-02-23T22:03:11.404586Z
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@diversity_racket @thepaltrysum @Chronic-Yonic I don''t know about all that but what I do know is the jews are behind it
(DIR) Post #A4Zwpty5YD7mHkJNGS by LenAnon@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T22:05:06.766195Z
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@thepaltrysum @Chronic-Yonic @diversity_racket A small number of fanatical Trump supporters have proven themselves to be domestic terrorists though, during the Capitol incident. Many of those individuals have already been caught though.
(DIR) Post #A4ZwqLIDxSH320wKtk by Gnomeshatecheese@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T22:04:21.807864Z
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@WaxJustice I’ve said repeatedly lately that we’ve been so concerned about authoritarianism on the Right that we’ve been cold cocked (pun intended) with it by the Left.I wish it was possible to make this sentiment spiffy enough to fit nicely on a T-shirt. It’s worth it. @diversity_racket
(DIR) Post #A4ZwwKOmCCxNzlrJ7Q by Chronic-Yonic@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T22:06:44.225129Z
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@diversity_racket I agree. If people want to stop the violence, they first must try to stop themselves from seeing the world in black or white, like Dubya's Us or Them kind of world. Otherwise it can only escalate and if it does, civil war is right there waiting @thepaltrysum
(DIR) Post #A4Zx1UxwKpDsDUluM4 by ew@social.ancreport.com
2021-02-23T22:08:11.844327Z
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@diversity_racket @thepaltrysum @Chronic-Yonic I'm a trump supporter and I think women should be put in milking farms not having political discussions
(DIR) Post #A4Zx2hPTYNDb6KDwY4 by Hollahollara@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T22:08:25.004096Z
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@Chronic-Yonic @diversity_racket @thepaltrysum I call it "football politics." As long as your side wins, no matter what your "side" is advocating or doing. It's entertainment for an unthinking public.
(DIR) Post #A4ZxKeyjKdkAlyHJWS by starsstorm@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T19:51:17.622818Z
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@diversity_racket honestly, we should all be really concerned about the push to dox people for how they voted. Especially if we’re worried about violence.
(DIR) Post #A4ZxKfOFnkA038DhJ2 by diversity_racket@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T20:12:23.297573Z
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@starsstorm We really should. Interestingly, I just went back to the website and I got a warning message that won't allow me to enter... so maybe the hosting service got a bunch of complaints..
(DIR) Post #A4ZxsqcMZ1WEiW7NzM by WaxJustice@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T21:44:59.389730Z
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@diversity_racket The link isn't working, is it possible it's been taken down already? I hope so! As much as I hate Trump I don't want his voters on a list. It's chilling.
(DIR) Post #A4Zxsr4iraCi8TO2C0 by diversity_racket@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T21:48:22.673278Z
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@WaxJustice Yes, I think it's been taken down! Hurrah. I think it would have been bad for everyone legally had it been allowed to stay up...
(DIR) Post #A4ZxsrUbJMu7QjUhWq by LostInCalifornia@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T22:17:50.680687Z
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@diversity_racket @WaxJustice My security software lists it as a phishing site.
(DIR) Post #A4ZxxRpg8sVpILXXoO by starsstorm@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T22:12:20.640889Z
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@Hollahollara @Chronic-Yonic @diversity_racket @thepaltrysum my sister and I talk about this constantly and call it the exact same thing
(DIR) Post #A4Zy40ogz8YVX9D0HQ by Hollahollara@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T22:19:51.767662Z
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@starsstorm @Chronic-Yonic @diversity_racket @thepaltrysum In the American south, this literally comes up as how parents care more about the new high school stadiums being built, for their own entertainment, than books or school facilities their own children use. No critical thought.
(DIR) Post #A4ZyOhJWgsxh81UjKK by thepaltrysum@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T22:06:07.272731Z
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@LenAnon @Chronic-Yonic @diversity_racket Caught or not, Leninist, there are more where that came from. As a group they are the single biggest threat to American safety and democracy.
(DIR) Post #A4ZyOhk762EGSTvxlg by LenAnon@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T22:21:42.427731Z
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@thepaltrysum @Chronic-Yonic @diversity_racket Agreed. I hope we as a society can make the distinct between those who just simply voted Republican in the USA's two party system, and those who actively support Trump and the reactionary white supremacy that he represents.
(DIR) Post #A4ZycFrbXzKo2xto48 by MountainSlideMama@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T22:13:15.154301Z
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@diversity_racket @thepaltrysum @Chronic-Yonic maybe they should not vote for a man who vocalized support for fascism? Who employed actual Nazis? We can't get caught up in the identity politics of individual insurrection attendees; if a group of indigenous, black or lesbian people violently attacked the capital they would be dead. Trump is a freaking pedophile and they voted for him. They must be held accountable for this. Sorry not sorry.
(DIR) Post #A4ZycGFM7gKjEd0m5Q by diversity_racket@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T22:24:36.890473Z
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@MountainSlideMama @Chronic-Yonic @thepaltrysum While you may say identity politics don't matter, many of the groups you mention, Black people, lesbians, etc. are also Trump supporters. The two can intersect. Even Arielle Scarcella, the well-known YT lesbian recently "quit" the left and went right. This is precisely why condemning every single Trump supporter is dangerous. People also voted for Biden too and he's been called a pedo. Same shit, different pile.
(DIR) Post #A4ZyjMRzSJscVEJ4ro by thepaltrysum@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T22:26:39.556488Z
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@ew @diversity_racket @Chronic-Yonic Asian woman's face stolen from a hair dressing site, and Asian female objectification? Check. Gross statement referencing things only women's bodies do? Check. Get thee to the reddit weeabo subs. Unless I have somehow missed the irony or the joke here?
(DIR) Post #A4ZymBGhUFpagtN248 by ew@social.ancreport.com
2021-02-23T22:27:49.747090Z
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@thepaltrysum @Chronic-Yonic @diversity_racket check your privilege by remembering men gave you your freedoms and can take them right back at any point
(DIR) Post #A4Zz16e4xP9OhGQGQa by thepaltrysum@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T22:29:38.881316Z
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@ew @Chronic-Yonic @diversity_racket Hey, give that model back her face, Weeb. Why do you objectify Japanese women? Is it because you think they are too submissive to tell you to fuck off? You know what, Im not....FUCK OFF.
(DIR) Post #A4Zz4osuvtgKlt8MUK by yishengqingwa666@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T22:30:50.017321Z
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@ew @thepaltrysum @Chronic-Yonic @diversity_racket Sorry about your penis, genetic dead end.
(DIR) Post #A4ZzAOv0O6wHyYlumO by Hollahollara@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T22:32:13.285170Z
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@thepaltrysum @ew @Chronic-Yonic @diversity_racket The average Trump supporter does not support 24/7 Hand on Dick porn-spouting philosophy. They would back away from such a cretin irl conversation as would a liberal, or an apolitical person.This is the same sort of male who could not stop talking about masturbating in middle and high school.Some ghouls need to get some sun, before they wither themselves into a perpetual wank machine.
(DIR) Post #A4ZzDfgUVcwqqKXgq8 by ew@social.ancreport.com
2021-02-23T22:32:48.347218Z
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@thepaltrysum @Chronic-Yonic @diversity_racket https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjUlC8aEb7s
(DIR) Post #A4ZzGTgVa2LkUltA1Y by thepaltrysum@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T22:04:07.139868Z
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@diversity_racket @Chronic-Yonic Ah, this is where you lost me. Trump supports need to be shamed, just not doxxed. They led to a surge of racism, hatred and harmful conspiracy theory, a huge lurch to the very damaging right. I dont think the USA as a society should be coerced into treating them with kid gloves because of their traitorous temper tantrum.
(DIR) Post #A4ZzGU8rsb2Duj9oEC by diversity_racket@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T22:31:57.653938Z
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@thepaltrysum @Chronic-Yonic There was already a bubbling of general discontent brewing. It didn't start with Trump supporters. When you look at it in the context of widening economic inequality, loss of manufacturing jobs, lack of education, neoliberal policies, etc. it's really no surprise this is the end result. Shaming will just embolden them even more.
(DIR) Post #A4ZzemBQSDv4olw7Ie by yishengqingwa666@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T22:36:54.478992Z
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@thepaltrysum @ew @Chronic-Yonic @diversity_racket Males are the joke. Violent, unhinged, utterly worthless, genetically defective and completely expendable.
(DIR) Post #A4Zzx2POrpiELvBGF6 by thepaltrysum@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T22:39:22.942405Z
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@yishengqingwa666 @Chronic-Yonic @diversity_racket @ew Im not sure its all that funny, Jiu Bao
(DIR) Post #A4Zzx2rlAOOhlsRuRk by ew@social.ancreport.com
2021-02-23T22:40:59.574418Z
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@thepaltrysum @yishengqingwa666 @Chronic-Yonic @diversity_racket you all should take some pointers from @pasture on how to be a real woman
(DIR) Post #A4a0HgnmObldQCQnx2 by thepaltrysum@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T22:33:09.629837Z
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@diversity_racket @Chronic-Yonic Oh dear. Nevermind. They should be ashamed for the suffering they have caused. There are consequences to actions. I cant imagine being so privileged as to think otherwise.
(DIR) Post #A4a0HhDIriBShMNBjc by diversity_racket@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T22:39:47.425277Z
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@thepaltrysum @Chronic-Yonic Nice try. I'm an immigrant from a poor communist country. I grew up working class. My background is exactly why I am more sympathetic. I grew up around blue collar workers who are more open to me than any privileged elitist shit that has no room for "different opinions." I have found that the people who are less sympathetic/or willing to understand are actually well-educated people in the upper echelons - they are so painfully removed from everyday people. But thanks for reducing my reasonable critique to me being "privileged." <3
(DIR) Post #A4a0v3ezLM8Pbo5ke0 by thepaltrysum@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T22:43:11.151185Z
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@ew @Chronic-Yonic @diversity_racket @pasture @yishengqingwa666 You would not know what a real woman is. Hint, its not the cum soaked body pillow waifu that you snuggle up to every night.
(DIR) Post #A4a16uTjJ2qwbjTddg by MountainSlideMama@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T22:48:27.828776Z
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@diversity_racket @Chronic-Yonic @thepaltrysum I am not a Dem or Repub, BUT very few POC or lesbians voted for him, & since he is the face of the party of MRAs, Incels, KKK, neonazis, Proud Boys you name it, I would rather battle with Dems over TRA shit any day than mingle with the party whose platform directly goes against the majority of radfem beliefs. Also, the while Biden is your standard piece of shit neolib hair sniffer, Trump is a rapist, documented pedophile, thief, con artist piece of shit business failure who campaigned on racism, misogyny and anti-semitism, employing the dregs of society. So yes, I do hold Trump supporters accountable, ESPECIALLY if they voted for him a second time after what he's done.
(DIR) Post #A4a6HiFFd7YrcdfvUm by thepaltrysum@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T22:41:28.633420Z
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@diversity_racket @Chronic-Yonic Just shows, that experiences cannot teach some people empathy and kindness. What a shame. No one could support Trump and the bile he spouted, demonizing immigrants, people of color and liberals, and have even the vestiges of a heart.
(DIR) Post #A4a6HihFwzxl1UmI9A by kathleenbee@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T23:35:23.574458Z
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@thepaltrysum @diversity_racket @Chronic-Yonic the utter contempt this comment shows for about 50% of the American electorate flashes in neon. This is the problem with the Democratic party, their approach to about half the country is: "why won't you vote for us, you disgusting pieces of shit?"And they claim to be the party of the little guy. Many Trump voters were also Obama voters. They're not racist, they were just desperate for change and fed up. But go ahead, keep spitting on them! That will definitely work, good job, I mean how could the left lose with those brilliant tactics?
(DIR) Post #A4a6JxOGI6MPApxaL2 by fpcgggc@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T23:52:23.429240Z
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@kathleenbeeI know a lot of Obama voters who ended up voting for Trump @thepaltrysum @Chronic-Yonic @diversity_racket
(DIR) Post #A4a7T9Pd3wAx1IY0Ho by Lilitu@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T23:51:35.711283Z
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@kathleenbee @thepaltrysum @Chronic-Yonic @diversity_racket Here’s my question. And I’m really asking here.I get why so many people are disgusted by the Democrats and their elitism and why they’d vote for almost anything opposed to that elitism.What I am struggling to understand is why they’d turn to an elitist who shits on the disadvantaged for a living as the champion they support instead. That’s what I don’t get. That’s the bridge my brain can’t find.
(DIR) Post #A4a7T9lxiu2Y8Yzq64 by diversity_racket@spinster.xyz
2021-02-24T00:03:21.207531Z
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@Lilitu @kathleenbee @Chronic-Yonic @thepaltrysum Why don't you just read personal accounts of disenfranchised voters? A lot of people -- including marginalized groups -- are telling us why they voted Trump, and many of those reasons are not reasons that are described here. We could just listen instead of assuming, which was my entire point. But we can't expect them to give us an answer if we come out of the gate condemning them like this.. If I am backed into a corner, I won't comply, I'll just retreat further. It's just natural human behaviour.
(DIR) Post #A4a7sA79abySR8peK0 by Chronic-Yonic@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T23:43:09.390513Z
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@kathleenbee What I think is your country, the way it's going, really not sure there's anything left to fix. The very basis, the lack of respect from megacorps, your own government and a lot of citizens viewing everyone that doesn't think like they do with utter contempt, They (megacorps, government and citizens who create the divide) would rather hand out prescriptions for pills to citizens instead of going back to something more human and caring for its people and for their next door neighbours. Really sad to see. @thepaltrysum @diversity_racket
(DIR) Post #A4a7sAUuAIyNcnwcLI by MountainSlideMama@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T23:54:55.134930Z
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@Chronic-Yonic @kathleenbee @diversity_racket @thepaltrysum let me clarify: doxxing is wrong, but shaming? We are judged by the company we keep. I am a leftist, I don't like either corporate party- one center right & the other far right- but anyone telling me we should cut people slack who supported a man who actively attacked the poor, POC, especially Women? Not a chance. There's not a shred of humanity in the Republican platform, and at the end of the day, what does that say about the people who support it?
(DIR) Post #A4a7sAwYVV5h0YshRQ by Chronic-Yonic@spinster.xyz
2021-02-24T00:07:48.406656Z
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@MountainSlideMama @diversity_racket @kathleenbee @thepaltrysum And shaming, is it going to fix anything or is this just an instant gratification acting on resentment? And will shaming make people realize they shouldn't have voted for the Reps or will it make them double down? People need to understand that at a certain point this, all this, no matter which side of the line you stand, needs to stop. And quite frankly, either party is seeing the citizen the same way, a resource to fill their pockets. They use you as puppets and everyone dances. They make you hate one another and it's working wonders from what it looks like. A rapist is followed in office by a sexual predator who paws young girls (and who knows if he hasn't also raped but no one dares come forward yet? Seems to me that an old man feeling he can paw young girls would have no restrictions with rape but then again what do I know). Nice. And didn't Biden just say no to $2 000 US to help people through Covid? A divide cannot be fixed by shaming or guilt-tripping or anything of the kind. Anyway, please count me out of this thread. It's useless. You are pointing the wrong targets, IMO, and nothing will change, this will only further radicalize both sides and it will only get worse.
(DIR) Post #A4aCmk4xSclC0p2Xei by Lilitu@spinster.xyz
2021-02-24T00:10:11.730987Z
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@diversity_racket @Chronic-Yonic @kathleenbee @thepaltrysum I have. Here’s the problem.All the ones I’ve been able to talk to really are either some kind of bigot, or very mentally ill.My mother, for example, is a mentally ill + homophobe + internalized misogyny combo.I want to believe 35% of American adults aren’t that bad. But I am still looking for that voter who voted for Trump in the absence of some sort of internal disturbance, and I can’t find them.
(DIR) Post #A4aCmkS04xBxAHowZU by diversity_racket@spinster.xyz
2021-02-24T00:19:59.515452Z
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@Lilitu @kathleenbee @thepaltrysum There's quite a few commentators who are of sound mind who explained their own stories. I mentioned Arielle Scarcella in a post in this thread - she's a lesbian YouTuber. There's also that centrist-right leaning commentator, Karlyn Borysenko who was a former Democrat and became disenfranchised. Karlyn is fairly reasonable; she also condemned the riots. Both these women expressed in detail why they left the left. There's so many other people who recounts their own stories, too. I mean there's a whole movement called the #Walkaway campaign that goes into this - there are plenty stories of people who explain why they 'walked away' from the left. I personally don't support it - both Dems and Repubs are equally vile - but it's still useful to at least listen and understand the other side as it were. Once we do understand (we don't have to agree! I certainly don't), we can start having actual conversations. But, it has to start from a place of active listening/understanding.
(DIR) Post #A4aCmknGnsCoEFlviy by Lilitu@spinster.xyz
2021-02-24T00:23:28.582080Z
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@diversity_racket @kathleenbee @thepaltrysum This isn’t really proving my point, here. I don’t know anything about these other commenters, and I don’t find Scarcella to be the most compelling character for a lack of probable bigotry, to be honest.Like I said, I entirely get walking away from the left. I don’t have any trouble seeing why that is. Hell, I did myself — I used to be a libfem and I’m currently politically homeless.What I don’t understand is a specific thing: voting for Trump.
(DIR) Post #A4aCml7TakMvEvE4Dg by diversity_racket@spinster.xyz
2021-02-24T00:31:25.891107Z
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@Lilitu @kathleenbee @thepaltrysum You could just look them up is what I'm saying then you will have a better understanding as to why they voted for Trump...I'm just going to leave it at that.
(DIR) Post #A4aCmlYPyZv4aTpaDI by Lilitu@spinster.xyz
2021-02-24T00:33:20.057521Z
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@diversity_racket @kathleenbee @thepaltrysum I’ve tried. It always comes down to:1. Some kind of bigotry2. A vulnerability to conspiracy theoriesI’m not saying all these people are evil. But I am saying I have yet to find one who isn’t either unpleasant, or the sort of person that abusers tend to go out of their way to look for because they’re so obviously vulnerable.
(DIR) Post #A4aCmlyeP2u3tq6X6O by kathleenbee@spinster.xyz
2021-02-24T00:56:34.571698Z
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@Lilitu @diversity_racket @thepaltrysum wow it must be amazing to be so superior to so many of the people you meet, those poor sad bigoted dummies.
(DIR) Post #A4aDl6kqHZh7iLPpSa by Lilitu@spinster.xyz
2021-02-24T01:03:24.029371Z
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@kathleenbee @diversity_racket @thepaltrysum I mean, the vast majority of Americans apparently see the same thing, so I’d say I’m just average really. 🤷♀️But like... I’m sorry, I just haven’t met one who doesn’t fall into one of those two camps. That’s just the truth. I’m searching for them, I keep not finding them.
(DIR) Post #A4aDl7CUcloR66LuYi by Hollahollara@spinster.xyz
2021-02-24T01:15:42.909590Z
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@Lilitu @kathleenbee @diversity_racket @thepaltrysum One of the few I know that voted for Trump did so bc under Obama, they had to have health insurance or pay a fine. Could not afford insurance (or a fine!) in their state, made too much to qualify for other state programs for health coverage...took the fine.I know another that refused to pay the fine, can't afford the insurance offered in their state on the exchange, and is just waiting for it all to catch up to them, I guess.This is not an OBAMACARE BAD post, bc I also knew people who had health insurance for the first time in their adult lives, under Obama. Another mixed-race (black/white) het couple I know voted for Trump at least once EXCLUSIVELY bc of the woke shittery that has taken over the left, including the way women and "disobedient" minorities are treated. They are college-educated and in their late 20's. I also knew a guy that said the day before the election in 2016 that he would have voted for Trump, if Trump had not said "Mexicans are rapists" or whatever. He is of MX descent, a centrist liberal, but hated Obama and Hillary with an (unexamined?) passion.I know there are voters in the camps you described, too. People are complex, and people are pressed by their situations. I know the "economic anxiety" line rubbed me the wrong way too, about obvious racists, but for some it is real.
(DIR) Post #A4aE9ajaTCexe2VGFs by kathleenbee@spinster.xyz
2021-02-24T00:52:22.448664Z
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@Lilitu @Chronic-Yonic @diversity_racket @thepaltrysum They tried to vote for Bernie, and that wasn't allowed; third parties never get anywhere in the U.S. system; so that a vote for Trump for *most* of his voters was a protest vote. when you say "why did they turn to Trump", where were they supposed to turn? Jeb Bush? Where was there for disgust with politics as usual to go?
(DIR) Post #A4aE9bD0hoCB7IGl7I by Gelatinousrube@spinster.xyz
2021-02-24T01:19:49.615579Z
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@kathleenbee @Lilitu @Chronic-Yonic @diversity_racket @thepaltrysum The Bernie yank felt like a real bait and switch.
(DIR) Post #A4aFj0HPaGz4xjm2ts by Lilitu@spinster.xyz
2021-02-24T01:24:00.535836Z
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@Hollahollara @diversity_racket @kathleenbee @thepaltrysum Thanks for really taking a crack at answering my question.I understand their ire over those things. I guess I just find it hard to grok how someone who is disgusted with leftist abuse of “disobedient” women and minorities could deflect to a guy who openly wants to lock up or kill said disobedient women and minorities. It’s a really big elephant to ignore, you know?These are all reasons why to not vote for Democrats. Ok. But why Trump? There were other choices in the primary who were less... I dunno, openly autocratic? And they were only more mainstream in the sense that they were less extremist. Trump’s stances were really no different, just more extreme and with a worse personality behind them.Is it as simple as his media campaign to paint himself as a self-made man of the people worked?
(DIR) Post #A4aFj0ga4h7KDnY98C by Hollahollara@spinster.xyz
2021-02-24T01:37:45.401794Z
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@Lilitu @diversity_racket @kathleenbee @thepaltrysum To be honest, and this is upsetting, I am not sure any of the younger people voted in primaries. As far as the treatment of women and minorities, I saw it as a protest vote against their liberal political peers. I don't think they would have wanted to have dinner with him.In this last election, all the choices after the primaries were repugnant. I don't blame anyone for sitting it out. I voted third-party, not bc I agree at all with the libertarian political view, but because we need new voices at the table. Maybe people saw Trump the same way?I also believe, as you said, that despite much of the evidence (unpaid contractors, failed businesses, Wharton degree) people related to Trump more than they related to other, more diplomatic, well-spoken and well-mannered politicians. Or maybe they related to the initial disdain to which the establishment treated Trump. (Or the failed businesses themselves...)This is a failure of our class consciousness and identity as Americans. I will never relate to an established politician more than I relate to any ordinary woman. We are not all just "temporarily embarrassed millionaires," waiting for our American dream to come true and fuck everyone else, and we need to think about that.Which brings it back to the fact that as much as humans call ourselves logical creatures, most of our actions are instinctive and reactionary. *Thinking, Fast and Slow* by David Kahneman is a great book about this.
(DIR) Post #A4aHK9AtZlDBDb08f2 by Lilitu@spinster.xyz
2021-02-24T01:45:03.843675Z
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@Hollahollara @diversity_racket @kathleenbee @thepaltrysum Thanks for this. Yeah, I suppose it’s probably multifactorial. Maybe I will never quite grok it because my own particular minefield of human tendencies just is not built in that particular way.And although I voted for Biden, I don’t disagree with the myriad reasons some people didn’t. I just made my own personal judgement call based on what I can tolerate and what I felt was the least bad course of action, in a particularly extreme situation. If this had been any other election year, with any other Republican, I probably wouldn’t have voted at all.Thanks, I’ll check it out.
(DIR) Post #A4aHRTodEQkvGJ5Hd2 by Hollahollara@spinster.xyz
2021-02-24T01:56:59.477209Z
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@Lilitu @diversity_racket @kathleenbee @thepaltrysum Oh, I get it. Watching politics closely for the last several years...it's just disheartening.
(DIR) Post #A4aHUHmWQkSKo9R3Uu by SingleEntendre@gleasonator.com
2021-02-24T01:55:21.449445Z
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@Hollahollara @Lilitu @diversity_racket @kathleenbee @thepaltrysum I'm reading a great book right now that touches on why Americans can't have nice things like universal healthcare, infrastructure reflecting the US' outsized wealth, etc, and the central thesis is: the rich in America learned early on, like between 1600 and 1800 early on, to create a racial hierarchy among the poor so that they would fight against themselves while the rich and already powerful laughed their way to a decimated middle class. The quintessential example of the result is white neighborhoods that drained their own swimming pools, instead of sharing them during desegregation.To that end, I can understand liberals' frustrations that the overwhelmingly poor white Republican base can't seem to see this framework for what it is, but instead seems to have bought the lie completely ("welfare queens", etc etc). Thanks to confirmation bias, there seems to be no way for us to convince them that policies that benefit the poorest and most deliberately disadvantaged among us will also benefit them. However, at the same time, I think it is lazy and cowardly for progressives (among whom I count myself) to attack that nearly equally powerless base, instead of going after the rich and powerful that are the source of the lie. It's always easier and costs far less to punch down than to punch up, and I think that helps explain the huge flaw in Democratic strategy.The book is The Sum of Us, by Heather McGhee, for reference (only on chapter 3, but highly recommend so far): https://heathermcghee.com/
(DIR) Post #A4aHwdmeDl859d0ylU by Linnas@spinster.xyz
2021-02-24T01:59:45.739388Z
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@Lilitu @Hollahollara @diversity_racket @kathleenbee @thepaltrysum I would also recommend Don't Label Me by Irshad Manji. She made some good arguments there.
(DIR) Post #A4aOWRhDEu5loaveam by kathleenbee@spinster.xyz
2021-02-24T00:55:29.474983Z
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@Chronic-Yonic @diversity_racket @thepaltrysum it definitely is a not a good situation at all. But most ordinary Americans are in fact perfectly lovely. This idea that 50% of the country is beneath contempt is in fact part of the problem -- it convinces people that everything is hopeless because half the country is evil. The left and the right both do it. It's not true, it's the most devious and devastating political message of all because it saps everyone of hope and trust.
(DIR) Post #A4aQGZyisTUwmGgIdM by Alicia@neenster.org
2021-02-24T03:32:42.553780Z
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@Hollahollara “This is a failure of our class consciousness and identity as Americans.” 👏 Best comment of this thread. @Lilitu @diversity_racket @kathleenbee @thepaltrysum
(DIR) Post #A4aS7Afvmh8JbTX7GS by diversity_racket@spinster.xyz
2021-02-24T02:49:16.233610Z
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@Linnas @Lilitu @Hollahollara @kathleenbee @thepaltrysum Oh yes, I own that book - great read! Nice to see a recommendation here :)
(DIR) Post #A4aS7B5oETpitjdmbI by Linnas@spinster.xyz
2021-02-24T03:16:43.242738Z
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@diversity_racket @Hollahollara @Lilitu @kathleenbee @thepaltrysum Agree. I think she hit the mark on Trump supporters. She definitely changed my perspective, and I totally get it why 70+ millions voted for him. Democrats in power, on the other hand, have no clue.However, she fell into the very same trap she was arguing against when it came to atheists. Probably because it is the topic on which she couldn’t distance herself from her own bias.
(DIR) Post #A4aS7BWOdd6IEC512e by diversity_racket@spinster.xyz
2021-02-24T03:30:15.451399Z
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@Linnas @Hollahollara @Lilitu @kathleenbee @thepaltrysum [Oh no, my super long comment got deleted - I'll type it again. Apologies if a variation of this comment shows up again]I agree re: the atheism point! Have you heard of Manji's organization, Moral Courage? She applies a 'no shame' approach to diversity training? Based on the website, it looks like a breath of fresh air. Definitely different from the standard D&I workshops we've seen. Here's her document explaining in more detail: https://moralcourage.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Document-for-mc.com_learn.pdfAnd the website: https://moralcourage.com/I think she shows it is possible to stay true to your values, while also listening and being compassionate - and changing hearts to boot!
(DIR) Post #A4aZh1ReHNq551tXto by B_Reasonable@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T19:45:26.239698Z
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@diversity_racket So, what are these assholes thinking? Voters don’t have a right to vote their conscience? He wasn’t even a write-in candidate. He was a legit nominee and the incumbent. People are out of control. The woke are out of control. And what? We’re not supposed to care because it’s about Trump? There’s probably a similar list of GC (sane) people circulating. We have rights. Rights to free speech, the right to assemble, freedom of association, rights to our own thoughts and opinions. The ONLY people who don’t care about the rights of others are called sociopaths. The self righteous woke left needs to stop.
(DIR) Post #A4aZh1pkpl7aHnAnTM by diversity_racket@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T20:09:58.487614Z
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@B_Reasonable Exactly. There are many GC/"TERF" lists, too -- I'm on one of them and I'm barely even on Twitter and don't have accounts elsewhere. These people are hungry. So sick of this Trump = neo-Nazi/terrorist rhetoric, and it's only going to get worse with this domestic terrorism legislation. Quite frankly, even in these circles (not on Spinster, but it is VERY visible on Ovarit), women are getting increasingly 'pure' in their politics, condemning anyone who mildly disagrees with them. It was evident in that Posie Parker thread. They seriously do not realize how these same intimidation tactics can (and do) apply to them. No one in their right mind can call themselves liberal if they do not believe in the freedom to express oneself and think independently. Meghan Murphy talks about this is in her recent podcast episode with Helen Staniland -- purity politics are out of control. No wonder why these women insist not to label themselves. They'll get absolutely vilified otherwise. /rant :P
(DIR) Post #A4aZh2DrO8P5UYS32u by Alicia@neenster.org
2021-02-24T03:21:55.555513Z
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@diversity_racket Which Posie Parker thread was that? @B_Reasonable
(DIR) Post #A4aZh2bxwVgahJjIcS by diversity_racket@spinster.xyz
2021-02-24T03:34:30.777938Z
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@Alicia @B_Reasonable This thread: https://www.ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/18990/posie-parker-contacted-by-zoom-and-told-shes-promoting-hate
(DIR) Post #A4aZh31qOINzzZpxxI by Alicia@neenster.org
2021-02-24T04:31:15.233975Z
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@diversity_racket Wow. Everyone knows how I feel about PP. But this is another chilling attack on free speech. @B_Reasonable
(DIR) Post #A4acI3y83g8dWxsSeW by ThisReality@spinster.xyz
2021-02-24T04:36:38.006160Z
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@Hollahollara @Lilitu @diversity_racket @kathleenbee @thepaltrysum Repeating what I posted in another thread:What's weird is that I've never seen this site (trumpvoterlist.org) referenced anywhere until now. Haven't seen it on any sites I visit, no news about it, not on my social media. Until now. But when I do a search on the site name to find out any info on it, it gets linked to and talked about on plenty of far-right sites. Why do they all know about it? I wonder who's actually behind this and what their goal is.
(DIR) Post #A4acI4U293ev7unwNk by diversity_racket@spinster.xyz
2021-02-24T04:40:16.496048Z
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@ThisReality @Hollahollara @Lilitu @kathleenbee @thepaltrysum It did strike me as odd that one would have to provide their own contact details in order to give the name of a Trump supporter. Almost like a bait and switch tactic. I guess we may never know, especially now that it's been flagged and taken down.
(DIR) Post #A4acI4ucYCvUSNFAp6 by ThisReality@spinster.xyz
2021-02-24T04:46:57.044572Z
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@diversity_racket @Hollahollara @Lilitu @kathleenbee @thepaltrysum The site's down already? Damn it. I was ready to snitch on Ineeda Duche, Al Coholic, and Mike Hunt, three of the worst Trump voters I know.
(DIR) Post #A4acOY1vCk28V8kANM by Hollahollara@spinster.xyz
2021-02-24T05:51:46.647366Z
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@ThisReality @diversity_racket @Lilitu @kathleenbee @thepaltrysum I saw it after the election last fall. This is not how we heal a country whose problems are of more than D or R on a ballot.
(DIR) Post #A4ahBcPU6kXE5lQ3A8 by Childfree@spinster.xyz
2021-02-24T06:43:00.239151Z
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@Lilitu @diversity_racket @kathleenbee @thepaltrysum I talked to a lot of voters during the 2016 primary, across the country, registered in various parties or none. I heard over and over "I'm voting for Bernie but if he's not on the ballot, I will vote for Trump or not vote". People were pissed and their lives sucked and Hilary and the Dems certainly weren't offering anything except to their corporate masters. If people don't see an improvement in their material wellbeing they will demonize those worse off than them, act out, and look to a demagogue for the answers.Trump didn't really improve their lives but he validated their anger while the Democrats didn't and won't offer anything to actually improve ordinary people's lives. With no place left to go politically, some will stick with Trump or whomever comes next because at least he makes them feel part of something.
(DIR) Post #A4ahqfLa5obh4eAMue by Hollahollara@spinster.xyz
2021-02-24T06:52:52.761851Z
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@Childfree @Lilitu @diversity_racket @kathleenbee @thepaltrysum I knew shoes-on-the-ground voter registrants in the deep south, and every time the potential voter mentioned being lifelong Dems and party switching, this was the issue. The will of the people was ignored twice. Even diehard conservatives noticed this and told me.Biden polled 4% after his first debate. Nobody wanted that pro-prison, so-called centrist. He has been rejected numerous times by the electorate, and that was before he was mentally compromised. Tbh, Hillary Clinton would have polled nearly the same bc she had worked as Secretary of State, in a warmongering position, among the same demo.
(DIR) Post #A4aj2TFR0EfYyiU4dk by Childfree@spinster.xyz
2021-02-24T06:52:51.543301Z
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@kathleenbee @thepaltrysum @Chronic-Yonic @diversity_racket My friend said the other night "The Republicans don't want to help people and the Democrats do." I almost fell out of my chair. NEITHER PARTY WANTS TO DO DAMN SHIT TO HELP PEOPLE! When they have the power to do so, they help Big $$$ not people!
(DIR) Post #A4bAj0pLFCGS2ymzbM by Lilitu@spinster.xyz
2021-02-23T21:15:47.369506Z
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@diversity_racket @B_Reasonable Ooo, any links? I wanna see if I made it.Totally agree. It was so nice to have some strong disagreements on here the other day and have it end with just 🤷♀️ agree to disagree let’s go back to fighting for women. That is totally impossible in liberal circles, if you dare to disagree about anything they just come for your jugular.
(DIR) Post #A4bAlbEiqVdTY1tWNM by Alicia@neenster.org
2021-02-24T04:48:25.824457Z
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@diversity_racket I mean the zoom notice, not the thread. I have not read the whole thread, but so far seeing criticism of her but not support for censoring her.@B_Reasonable