Post A4GHi5nSUMjwAMbtPU by directhex@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #A4CsXhB65LTuaXjUWW by fribbledom@mastodon.social
2021-02-12T18:56:54Z
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That's the third time this week I read an article talking about how Apple invented the smartphone and mobile applications. Who's spreading this nonsense?Yes, Apple made smartphones popular (I guess?). But let's not rewrite history here: we had smartphones and apps several years before the first iPhone got released.
(DIR) Post #A4Csq4o8y8UN5TlG1A by racuna@freespeechextremist.com
2021-02-12T19:02:11.856282Z
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@fribbledom I really liked Nokia N8
(DIR) Post #A4Ct3otwuBNNoD1vM0 by defango@gitmo.life
2021-02-12T19:05:13.136Z
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@fribbledom@mastodon.social it is pretty disgusting that people say Apple invented the smart phone when there was other funds out there Ruddick android and other systems that were using apps in the whole 9 yards. Apples marketing team really just spends a lot of time getting people to bullshit us
(DIR) Post #A4Ct4r6aCHVevvQuvo by alyx@gameliberty.club
2021-02-12T19:05:22Z
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@fribbledom Apple fanboys always do this kind of thing. As far as they're concerned, if it wasn't stupid easy to use before, it didn't exist. For them Apple invented mp3 players, Apple invented smartphones, Apple invented lightweight laptops, etc.
(DIR) Post #A4CteLl4Dp5w8ZIJTE by default8080@speakitfree.com
2021-02-12T19:11:48Z
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@fribbledom no mention of Blackberry? Their curve model came out an entire month before the original iPhone did.
(DIR) Post #A4DImuultOJ4LO10qG by karlo@brighteon.social
2021-02-12T20:59:58Z
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@baba Did they tell you how much radiation is attacking your body with a smart phone in your pocket? Did they warn you about this when you bought it? One guy used to keep his in his pocket and got testicle cancer. One lady wore hers in her bra strap and got breast cancer. Please go on-line and look for ant-EMF products and never hold a smart phone next to your head. Use the speaker phone. You can measure the radiation with an affordable test device. As an old fashioned guy I have a land line.
(DIR) Post #A4DImvNq9JYhnXcE9Q by baba@gitmo.life
2021-02-12T23:53:28.835Z
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@karlo@brighteon.social That's a good warning Karlo, and very solid advice.Personally, I have never owned a cell phone.I still have the skills to remember phone numbers as a result.❤️
(DIR) Post #A4DSRPUCXyNoKXyFfc by CarlCravens@mastodon.xyz
2021-02-13T01:41:38Z
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@fribbledom This has always frustrated me... crediting Apple with inventing the smartphone and the mp3 player, Amazon with inventing the ebook. They solved problems related to ease of use and/or adoption, but they're far from the inventors.
(DIR) Post #A4GHi2qBTm8azwrWk4 by mdhughes@appdot.net
2021-02-12T19:02:53Z
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@fribbledom Yes and no. There were smartphones up to a decade earlier, with programs* and even program stores. But the all-screen UI, and a year after launch the all-programs-are-apps focus, was a huge shift. Android was a Blackberry clone before the iPhone launch!* "App" is the file extension of a NeXTstep/Mac/iOS bundle. It's not the right term for anyone else's programs.
(DIR) Post #A4GHi3Dw3T8WBbyUlM by ersatzmaus@mastodon.social
2021-02-12T19:42:29Z
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@mdhughes @fribbledom Wrong. The N800 and N900 were out before the iphone, and they both had those.
(DIR) Post #A4GHi3faOfFpZMuZrU by mdhughes@appdot.net
2021-02-12T19:50:26Z
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@ersatzmaus @fribbledom That's false. The N800 was vaporware just before the iPhone. The N810 came out 6 months later, and went back to the Sidekick-like keyboard. The N900 was even more Blackberry-like. The programs were mostly built in, the store wasn't worldwide. None of the Nokia smartphones sold well/at all in the US, only their dumbphones.
(DIR) Post #A4GHi409ADhWb8WzuS by ersatzmaus@mastodon.social
2021-02-12T20:35:13Z
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@mdhughes @fribbledom Well, I actually worked on them both and held them and used them, but Ok.
(DIR) Post #A4GHi4JdzjITZbeZIe by jmtd@kernel.social
2021-02-12T21:06:10Z
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@ersatzmaus @mdhughes @fribbledom fond memories of my definitely-real, definitely-before-iPhone n800. I don’t remember making calls on it though.
(DIR) Post #A4GHi4fGhKaueflq0O by jmtd@kernel.social
2021-02-12T21:07:18Z
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@ersatzmaus @mdhughes @fribbledom that said I really think the iPhone was legitimately a turning point for smart phone things.
(DIR) Post #A4GHi52fILJFpEiWTQ by directhex@mastodon.social
2021-02-12T22:21:02Z
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@jmtd @ersatzmaus @mdhughes @fribbledom the iPhone worked without a stylus.That changed everything. That's a huge part of what made the iPhone not the same thing as a PDA with a dialler
(DIR) Post #A4GHi5R7pOsL36A3bE by ersatzmaus@mastodon.social
2021-02-13T00:11:20Z
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@directhex @jmtd @mdhughes @fribbledom Err.... the NXXX series didn't need a stylus either did they (it's been a while but I don't _think_ they did)? And they were _much_ more capable phones _and_ computing devices than the iphone 1. Could actually do things like multitask and cut and paste text from webpages and whatnot.
(DIR) Post #A4GHi5nSUMjwAMbtPU by directhex@mastodon.social
2021-02-13T01:15:12Z
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@ersatzmaus @jmtd @mdhughes @fribbledom Nxx0 had a resistive touchscreen, which is practically unusable with fingertips.Any claim that you can use one without a stylus (or fingernail) is a manufacturer lie
(DIR) Post #A4GHi67fHEu3B241uC by LunaDragofelis@fedi.absturztau.be
2021-02-14T09:49:20.853874Z
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@directhex @ersatzmaus @jmtd @mdhughes @fribbledom so what's the problem with styluses?I think they're actually better than fingertips, because styluses/fingernails are way more precise.
(DIR) Post #A4GHi6Sa1TdKDtqjVQ by mdhughes@appdot.net
2021-02-14T09:53:04Z
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@LunaDragofelis @jmtd @directhex @ersatzmaus @fribbledom The stylus is much more awkward, you have to take it out, you need two hands (or set the device down), and it can be lost.Capacitative touch screens can be operated instantly, can do multi-touch (which doesn't work on old resistive screens). And in UX terms, it feels like you're directly manipulating the screen, instead of dragging a pointer around. It's as much a leap forward as mouse & GUI was over keyboard-only text UI.
(DIR) Post #A4GHi6mQpfVrDT8aRs by LunaDragofelis@fedi.absturztau.be
2021-02-14T10:06:37.433615Z
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@mdhughes @jmtd @directhex @ersatzmaus @fribbledom a resistive touchscreen can also be operated instantly and with one hand, especially with the fingernails. Which in my opinion is way better than having to use the flat part of my finger on a capacitive touchscreen - I have long fingernails which block my fingertips.and there's been multi-touch resistive touchscreens for quite a while, it's just that barely anyone cared because capacitive was too popular by then.also, I did use resistive touchscreen devices (some nokia touchscreen phone as well a Nintendo DS) for quite some time before I got my first smartphone. It does feel pretty natural, just like writing/drawing with a pen feels pretty natural.It's not like a mouse, which is even more indirect - hand moves mouse, mouse moves pointer, pointer interacts with objects on-screen. With styluses, it's more like: hand moves stylus, stylus interacts with objects on screen.And I think that little indirection is way offset by the way higher precision of a thin stylus tip in comparison to a thick, soft fingertip.
(DIR) Post #A4GHi6nUliMbGldR6e by ersatzmaus@mastodon.social
2021-02-13T00:18:59Z
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@directhex @jmtd @mdhughes @fribbledom Anyway, long story short: The iphones were neither first nor best. They had the RDF going for them but they honestly deserved to lose imo. Apple did, however, _not_ shoot themselves in the foot like certain manufacturers I could name.
(DIR) Post #A4GHi78PVx5sJdQ8hs by coin@asimon.org
2021-02-14T10:25:17.440746Z
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@LunaDragofelis @mdhughes @directhex @ersatzmaus @fribbledom @jmtd I have long fingernails
(DIR) Post #A4GI0Lzf0Z7Bc11cae by mdhughes@appdot.net
2021-02-14T10:13:08Z
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@LunaDragofelis @jmtd @directhex @ersatzmaus @fribbledom Multi-touch resistive screens are newer (at the time of the iPhone launch they were only single-touch), and have even lower actual resolution. You can feel like a stylus gives more resolution, and it does mouse-tracking to fake it, but it actually has a fuzzier area.The market's spoken very clearly on this, everyone went to capacitive, even Nintendo, except for the very lowest-end uses.
(DIR) Post #A4GI0MTnCXDZ7T7gYa by LunaDragofelis@fedi.absturztau.be
2021-02-14T10:27:53.949764Z
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@mdhughes @jmtd @directhex @ersatzmaus @fribbledom I'd still prefer resistive, and I hate it that there's basically nothing on the market that has a resistive touchscreen.Also the problem with capacitive touchscreen precision isn't the screen itself, it's the finger which touches a far larger area and obscures the screen much more.With a stylus I'd have much more control over where I'm exactly touching.
(DIR) Post #A4GI0MxZPp2Mbp3SyG by fluffy@social.handholding.io
2021-02-14T10:28:44.396964Z
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@LunaDragofelis @mdhughes @directhex @ersatzmaus @fribbledom @jmtd Panasonic Toughbooks have resistive touchscreens. I use one every day
(DIR) Post #A4GI0OKIKooCqah81w by mdhughes@appdot.net
2021-02-14T10:16:11Z
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@LunaDragofelis @jmtd @directhex @ersatzmaus @fribbledom It is worth noting, Apple wasn't quite the first to use capacitive touchscreens: LG Prada had one a few months earlier, priced even higher (and failed to sell much, like all LG "high-end" phones). The screens were otherwise so new nobody had them.