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(DIR) Post #A3m755ZRChaAfYiKZM by Economic_Hitman@noagendasocial.com
2021-01-30T21:04:58Z
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Thanks to @Klaatu for sharing this chart on which encrypted chat apps are the best.Can anyone please share more details about Smoke and Goldbug? How easy are they for normies to use?Thoughts/experiences on the others?
(DIR) Post #A3m7UPantpXe0RQafY by m00se@noagendasocial.com
2021-01-30T21:09:31Z
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@Economic_HitmanHadn't heard of Smoke (in this context)@Klaatu
(DIR) Post #A3m803WjTU4Spyc2iW by Kaiserhase@noagendasocial.com
2021-01-30T21:15:15Z
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@Economic_Hitman @Klaatu missed criteria "has a website that doesn't look like shit" lol
(DIR) Post #A3m8M1E2iCOi4QLLg8 by PawelK@noagendasocial.com
2021-01-30T21:19:15Z
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@Economic_Hitman @Klaatu subscribing to this thread. Am bit geeky. Might give em try and let you know should we fail to dig for this info.
(DIR) Post #A3m8RymWi8EcEEJb9s by PawelK@noagendasocial.com
2021-01-30T21:20:18Z
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@Economic_Hitman @Klaatu also i miss jitsi here.
(DIR) Post #A3mFZogKqSJkts6SkS by tightarseindian@noagendasocial.com
2021-01-30T22:40:09Z
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@Economic_Hitman @Klaatu Rob Braxman talks about XMPP based apps are the best.https://youtu.be/ke8pXQQPaIw
(DIR) Post #A3mFgTaFgZqhUbQw6a by AdamAtSea@noagendasocial.com
2021-01-30T22:41:23Z
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@PawelK @Economic_Hitman @Klaatu The Source of the chart:https://smokeappope.sourceforge.io/
(DIR) Post #A3mInRwEVAEOHLjQO0 by Economic_Hitman@noagendasocial.com
2021-01-30T23:16:15Z
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I asked in 2019 which encrypted messaging app was the one known to be compromised and @yukiame told me Signal. Is that true? Do we have documentation on that? Is Telegram any more secure than Signal?@ProfWorr @Klaatu
(DIR) Post #A3mL0wc7xeYR5gtF7A by asakura@cdrom.tokyo
2021-01-30T23:41:05.235691Z
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@Economic_Hitman @Klaatu Wow! Lurked and found:https://github.com/textbrowser/smoke and http://goldbug.sourceforge.net/
(DIR) Post #A3mNCx8G3mP256lxqq by john@liberdon.com
2021-01-31T00:05:41Z
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@tightarseindian @Economic_Hitman @Klaatu There are XMPP clients in the chart, like Conversations.The main problem I've had with XMPP is every client and every server has a different set of things it supports, so you can never say to your non-tech friends: "Oh you're on XMPP, great! Let's video chat!" because it probably won't work. And I've had issues where some features would work or not depending on the network I'm on, like if we're both on the same LAN it's a problem.
(DIR) Post #A3mNHACtOGBvn3wqoK by john@liberdon.com
2021-01-31T00:06:27Z
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@tightarseindian @Economic_Hitman @Klaatu It's one thing not to have certain features. It's another to never be sure what might work and what might not.
(DIR) Post #A3mOLG5TZLDd8lznCC by cgeek5467@noagendasocial.com
2021-01-31T00:18:22Z
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@Economic_Hitman @yukiame @ProfWorr @Klaatu I thought it was telegram that was compromised. Signal I thought is considered ok, but we really don't know for sure ... it Snowden's thing so yeah ...From the chart I installed Smoke, but don't understand it. I guess I have to roll my own server ...
(DIR) Post #A3mOWvnQpuyPgT7baS by cgeek5467@noagendasocial.com
2021-01-31T00:20:30Z
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@Economic_Hitman @Klaatu I've also installed element, briar, antox and session. Already had keybase and cyph ... those aren't on that chart though.
(DIR) Post #A3mRRkIYSSeeRDtkR6 by harvhat@noagendasocial.com
2021-01-31T00:53:11Z
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@cgeek5467 @Economic_Hitman @yukiame @ProfWorr @Klaatu Yea smoke doesn't look easy if your not into tweaking servers and such. Same with Goldbug since they are just different clients for the same underlying protocol called "Echo".
(DIR) Post #A3mRjMr2MP5IwOQhn6 by harvhat@noagendasocial.com
2021-01-31T00:56:20Z
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@Economic_Hitman @yukiame @ProfWorr @Klaatu I assume they are all comprised. I think signal maybe comprised by less three letter agencies the some of the others, is easy to use anyway.
(DIR) Post #A3mbTElZfAuKlRp0Fc by CMike@noagendasocial.com
2021-01-31T02:45:28Z
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@Economic_Hitman @Klaatu https://inteltechniques.com/messaging.html
(DIR) Post #A3nMfDhq7uA6nSI55c by yukiame@noagendasocial.com
2021-01-31T11:34:18Z
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@harvhat @cgeek5467 @Economic_Hitman @ProfWorr @Klaatu hmmm looks very Advanced , so i personallt trust Signal, Threema and Telegramand remember moving all your contacts to one app takes years
(DIR) Post #A3nUp2l2UDsXMzyxZg by harvhat@noagendasocial.com
2021-01-31T13:05:42Z
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@yukiame @cgeek5467 @Economic_Hitman @ProfWorr @Klaatu I use Wire and Signal, Signal because it works as my SMS app.I don't even attempt to move all my contacts, hence the SMS part.
(DIR) Post #A3notNH691VxFCJuN6 by don@liberdon.com
2021-01-31T16:50:35Z
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@Economic_Hitman @Klaatu I use telegram on multiple devices. Not sure this chart is completely correct
(DIR) Post #A47gROJTO7riY4TdaK by Economic_Hitman@noagendasocial.com
2021-02-10T06:50:23Z
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Does anyone know of a good Tox chat client for iOS?I did some quick searches and I can only find Tox clients for Android@Klaatu @barrett @PhoneBoy @AdamAtSea @m000se
(DIR) Post #A47gfULTkymlJO8a3M by barrett@barrett.dog
2021-02-10T06:52:58.518126Z
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@Economic_HitmanDoesn't look promising for iOS users @Klaatu @PhoneBoy @AdamAtSea
(DIR) Post #A48rVpLa6ygyCmk0GG by Economic_Hitman@noagendasocial.com
2021-02-10T20:29:12Z
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@barrett Yeah I found the same chart, which made me more pessimistic about iOS Tox apps/I'm leaning toward setting up a private XMPP server for my martial arts group. That way they can choose their own clients and do not need to use my server if it sucks.This will be the first server I have set up before for anything beyond a simple program running on LAN or localhost. Any tips?@AdamAtSea @Klaatu @PhoneBoy @jeremiah
(DIR) Post #A48sT0nnAKJUol9q7M by melodiousowls@noagendasocial.com
2021-02-10T20:39:52Z
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@Economic_Hitman @barrett @AdamAtSea @Klaatu @PhoneBoy @jeremiah "martial arts group" š¤
(DIR) Post #A48sXMkbVGC033k6dM by Economic_Hitman@noagendasocial.com
2021-02-10T20:40:40Z
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this may sound naive but since my XMPP server would be just used by me and less than ten people, I figured I could just use my desktop computer as the server.I know it's better to use dedicated server hardware or rent a cloud server but I have no idea where to start with that. As long as my PC has a constant internet connection, good amount of RAM and is always on, can't I just use it?@barrett @AdamAtSea @Klaatu @PhoneBoy @jeremiah
(DIR) Post #A48vENdCIy1n8iuuDw by AdamAtSea@noagendasocial.com
2021-02-10T21:10:51Z
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@Economic_Hitman @barrett @Klaatu @PhoneBoy @jeremiah owncloud/nextcloud also has a chat plugin too
(DIR) Post #A48w3XIe7KKrtXhHZg by PhoneBoy@noagendasocial.com
2021-02-10T21:20:05Z
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Yeah, not a great idea. Youāre opening yourself up for goatse and fail. Buy a Raspberry Pi or use an old computer with Linux installed or something.@AdamAtSea @Economic_Hitman @barrett @Klaatu @jeremiah
(DIR) Post #A48wU7zWJzqNDkQnCa by Economic_Hitman@noagendasocial.com
2021-02-10T21:24:53Z
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@PhoneBoyRather than owncloud/nextcloud like @AdamAtSea suggested?or rather than host my own server on my PC? Because my daily driver is an old desktop PC running Linux.Are you saying just don't use my main machine because it's a security risk, and use a Raspberry Pi or machine I don't care about?@barrett @Klaatu @jeremiah
(DIR) Post #A48wcCOzo1JTDYCCKO by PhoneBoy@noagendasocial.com
2021-02-10T21:26:22Z
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Exactly what Iām saying. Donāt use your primary desktop because itās an added security risk. Whether you do it with Owncloud or something else.@Economic_Hitman @AdamAtSea @barrett @Klaatu @jeremiah
(DIR) Post #A48wwLp4URIyE709sO by shebang@freespeech.group
2021-02-10T21:30:02.102895Z
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@Economic_Hitman @PhoneBoy @AdamAtSea @barrett @Klaatu @jeremiah I mean ultimately its about budget right? I think an ideal solution for self hosting is a separate machine that runs isolated containers or virtual machines. Depending on what exactly you are hosting you probably donāt need a machine thatās all that great for that, especially /w containers. (I like proxmox for this).However, if your budget is limited, yeah a raspberry pi can sure work.Thatās why I always keep around my old computers to re-purpose for my wacky adventures. Good enough to host a lot of good services is a lot less requirements than to play the latest games, after all.
(DIR) Post #A48xUyKpoBpPW4MpKC by GWFF@noagendasocial.com
2021-02-10T21:36:15Z
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@melodiousowls @Economic_Hitman @barrett @AdamAtSea @Klaatu @PhoneBoy @jeremiahHey look @shebang theres more into 'hema' than we previously anticipated.Haldberds at the ready!
(DIR) Post #A48xdYLbnaYJWWoxOK by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2021-02-10T21:37:45Z
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@GWFF @melodiousowls @Economic_Hitman @barrett @AdamAtSea @Klaatu @PhoneBoy @shebang it's time to invent the martial arts protest bbq meetup religious service.
(DIR) Post #A49CpUnsIfQ9JrC9Oy by melodiousowls@noagendasocial.com
2021-02-11T00:28:00Z
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@jeremiah @GWFF @Economic_Hitman @barrett @AdamAtSea @Klaatu @PhoneBoy @shebang Officially cult territory.
(DIR) Post #A49IsT3dqXaUUzN0bo by WowMachineRadio@noagendasocial.com
2021-02-11T01:34:56Z
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@Economic_Hitman @barrett @AdamAtSea @Klaatu @PhoneBoy @jeremiah I've been running a shoutcast server on my win10 machine since 2016...96, 128, 320 streams open to a potential 3000 listeners. We have over 30Mps upload speed with unlimited BW. We've had as many as 300 listeners with no problem. Shoutcast+Winamp have a pretty low pull on resources, so can't say about Your XMPP server usage.
(DIR) Post #A49fCUBNZWz0lpwKRc by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2021-02-11T05:45:55Z
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@melodiousowls @GWFF @Economic_Hitman @barrett @AdamAtSea @Klaatu @PhoneBoy @shebang you say this as if a bbq kung fu cult could be a bad thing.
(DIR) Post #A49uWya5l7vS9cjAUy by AdamAtSea@noagendasocial.com
2021-02-11T08:37:41Z
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@jeremiah @melodiousowls @GWFF @Economic_Hitman @barrett @Klaatu @PhoneBoy @shebang Will there be koolaid and tin foil?
(DIR) Post #A4A1GT9rWMMHk8XDqy by GWFF@noagendasocial.com
2021-02-11T09:53:10Z
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@AdamAtSea @jeremiah @melodiousowls @Economic_Hitman @barrett @Klaatu @PhoneBoy @shebang yeah but nome of that nasty new foil.None of that works. Either we source vintage foil or one of the tasks for initiates will be pressing the kosher kind.
(DIR) Post #A4AXeodMHlH9zNRl6O by melodiousowls@noagendasocial.com
2021-02-11T15:56:07Z
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@jeremiah @GWFF @Economic_Hitman @barrett @AdamAtSea @Klaatu @PhoneBoy @shebang It's all fun and games till someone takes a dump in the pool.
(DIR) Post #A4AZApJ1QFUxIHlKAi by batcatdad@noagendasocial.com
2021-02-11T16:13:06Z
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Yeah @jeremiah that works!@GWFF @Economic_Hitman @barrett @AdamAtSea @Klaatu @PhoneBoy @shebang Mandelaās wife totally did protests with her Ā«footballĀ» Club minions carrying traditional weapons.Yeah kinda like a historical Martial arts thing. With capital M in Martial. I have heard stories about Mrs Mandelaās enemies being scared shitless by the armed, angry, dancing crowd. So there you might have your pool thing also @melodiousowls AndITM!šŗš
(DIR) Post #A4Ez1a4q2TNHIHMJ3Q by Economic_Hitman@noagendasocial.com
2021-02-13T19:21:23Z
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Now I'm researching how to set up VirtualBox on my Windows 10 laptop so I can run an XMPP server. It will just be me and maybe 10 martial arts buddies.What OS should install as the guest on my VM? Is there a benefit to using OS's dedicated to server applications like Windows Server 2016 or can I use a desktop/PC OS like I'm familiar with, like Ubuntu 18.04 LTS?@shebang @jeremiah @barrett @PhoneBoy @AdamAtSea @Klaatu
(DIR) Post #A4Ezl49z2P5JcrSEaW by shebang@freespeech.group
2021-02-13T19:29:38.044498Z
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@Economic_Hitman @jeremiah @barrett @PhoneBoy @AdamAtSea @Klaatu Well. Never use Windows anything for server stuff. As far as a server distro, Ubuntu Server is perfectly good. If you now Ubuntu then Ubuntu Server is the same commands already, just with less stuff installed.
(DIR) Post #A4F0JJS8ga3atxHD8K by Economic_Hitman@noagendasocial.com
2021-02-13T19:35:47Z
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Ok thanks! I'll use Ubuntu Server.But why can't I use Windows for server stuff even if it's just the host to my VM?@shebang @barrett @jeremiah @Klaatu @AdamAtSea @PhoneBoy
(DIR) Post #A4F0RcHeYafncZKbmy by shebang@freespeech.group
2021-02-13T19:37:19.657010Z
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@Economic_Hitman @barrett @jeremiah @Klaatu @AdamAtSea @PhoneBoy Well, why would you? Now if you have an insecure hypervisor (actually not always a huge deal) but why have windows chewing up resources when all you need for a hypervisor is something small to run VMās?
(DIR) Post #A4F12lEmELm66YhKXg by Economic_Hitman@noagendasocial.com
2021-02-13T19:44:00Z
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By hypervisor do you mean host OS?Yeah the only reason is I don't want to make this task anymore complicated. My Windows laptop is my least used computer.I could wipe it and install another OS but I just want to get this done in a few weekends.@shebang @barrett @jeremiah @Klaatu @AdamAtSea @PhoneBoy
(DIR) Post #A4F2jgZbXyam2tTJcu by shebang@freespeech.group
2021-02-13T20:03:00.256320Z
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@Economic_Hitman @barrett @jeremiah @Klaatu @AdamAtSea @PhoneBoy Yeah. Hypervisor is the top level OS. Well, it work, sure. You work with the tools and time you have.
(DIR) Post #A4F43EN0DQhMJwSdvs by Economic_Hitman@noagendasocial.com
2021-02-13T20:17:42Z
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@shebang let's say I wipe my Windows laptop and replace its OS with Linux. Now I'll dedicate this machine as my server to just run Prosody (Jabber).Would you still recommend the VM approach? Does adding that extra layer provide enough security to my clients alone?Or, if I run my Prosody directly on my server machine then what security measures should I take?Would that be harder than securing it on a VM? @barrett @jeremiah @Klaatu @AdamAtSea @PhoneBoy
(DIR) Post #A4F4DDwsdYCDuT0XIG by shebang@freespeech.group
2021-02-13T20:19:32.452922Z
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@Economic_Hitman @barrett @jeremiah @Klaatu @AdamAtSea @PhoneBoy VMās or containers do potentially add to security, but I mean, if a vm/container gets compromised it still exposes everything else on the network to potential attack. There is no magic for security, really, keep things updated, only open ports you need, etc etc.
(DIR) Post #A4F4jbF1ZSEZPvvriS by Economic_Hitman@noagendasocial.com
2021-02-13T20:25:22Z
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@shebang guess I got more research to do. You're super! Thanks for all your help.