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(DIR) Post #A43rgNuJV7R0UtDm64 by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T10:37:29Z
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THREADThe Art of the Steal DealAn Alternate TheoryWhich pains me to write about.CRITERIAIt must:…be Constitutional.…jibe with REALITY as we see it.…be something Trump AND Democrats AGREED to.…result in Trump back in the WH.Onto the theory...
(DIR) Post #A43rlGwaokIMLhcNDU by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T10:38:22Z
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PREFACEOn January 29, 1877, Congress established the Hayes-Tilden Electoral Commission; a temporary body created to resolve the disputed presidential election of 1876. My theory is that something like this COULD have already happened.In a sealed forum.Some GOP Senators were already pushing for such a commission in early January.https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-senators-election-commission-disputed-1876-election
(DIR) Post #A43rpNcXw4mCDNCSsC by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T10:39:06Z
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ASSUMPTIONS1) Between January 6th and the 20th, Trump SHOWED that he had all the goods (proof positive).2) Democrats and allies responded by showing their proof - of enough scorched earth capacity to absolutely guarantee Trump a Pyrrhic victory regardless how he won (just as Trump always did with them).Mutually Assured Destruction: (MAD) STALEMATE.(kind of like the Middle East?)
(DIR) Post #A43s1EYjS5RvaO4ITI by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T10:41:15Z
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A Deal Is Brokered - Here's ONE possibility (of myriad):1) Fraud off the table.2) Biden awarded SOME time in office. UNRESTRICTED?3) Trump need not concede but MUST wish Biden well.4) At some fixed date, some "BREAKING NEWS" reveals that Trump "TECHNICALLY" won the election.5) Biden Concedes and MUST wish Trump well.6) Trump and his cabinet, ALREADY sworn in with their effective date, takes over.
(DIR) Post #A43sDZIYAe3TNjNfxQ by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T10:43:28Z
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This COULD explain why BidenCo is now balls to the wall doing everything in their power to make Trump's next term as ineffectual as possible. Trump can undo most of it, of course, but perhaps not all of it. I'm not arguing MY version of a brokered deal. Only that one could have already happened, with both sides HIGHLY incentivized not to make it public. END
(DIR) Post #A43ss334yj4tEbRlJo by MMA@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T10:50:47Z
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@StevenDouglas It sounds like Trump in a sense,“The Art of the Deal”. Trump is also extremely practical and is a realist, while he is also a visionary. Face-saving is also something Trump does. He can be very occidental in this regard. Rubbing your face in the dirt is a leftist thing, not the Trump style. I can see your reasoning on this.
(DIR) Post #A43szUfIhQZMudsIOe by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T10:52:08Z
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@nzpete54 Mine either, given concessions that would have to be made for CONGRESS to agree. But if President Art of the Comeback embraced it, so would I.
(DIR) Post #A43tKa4fmcSflonVtw by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T10:55:57Z
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@sambam Could be. That would certainly be the projection of many millions of Trump supporters out for blood and their pounds of flesh. But is it really Trump? I saw what he accomplished in the Middle East. With factions that would not stand for less than the total destruction and humiliation of their sworn enemies. And yet...
(DIR) Post #A43ufqpyknTJnMdBIm by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T11:10:59Z
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ADDENDUMTo list how it jibes with ONLY the reality as we see it.Example:* Biden gets no access to AF1* NG in place in case of leaks...* ...until MARCH - suggesting the transition date?What else?
(DIR) Post #A43utikjboH2m8n8We by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T11:13:30Z
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@MMA Remember what Lincoln said about freeing the slaves. That was NOT his prime objective. His objective was to SAVE THE REPUBLIC. Paraphrasing, if he could accomplish that by freeing all the slaves, one slave, or no slaves, he would do that.
(DIR) Post #A43vHKal5eB2n9NqEK by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T11:17:46Z
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ADDENDUMTo list how it jibes with ONLY the reality as we see it.Example:* No cabinet member saw Trump off* ALL at top STILL behaving and talking like Trump's second term is already assured - WHILE ACKNOWLEDGING the Biden Admin?* Biden gets no access to AF1* EOs flying like they're working against a clock* NG in place in case of leaks...* ...until MARCH - suggesting the transition date?What else?
(DIR) Post #A43vRBISVJaIrKWM2C by charlotte1958@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T11:19:33Z
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@StevenDouglas Can you be more specific on “doing everything in their power to make Trump's next term as ineffectual as possible”?You mean signing lots of EOs?I think he’s doing that to cover the fact that he lacks the authority to do many things (anything to do with the military, for example, because of a DIFFERENT deal where the Biden presidency is a façade).2 options:Either Trump can, and will, undo everything in 1 dayOr, everything Biden has done is a nullity because of the fraud
(DIR) Post #A43vZxfeXBNBCnYYiG by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T11:21:08Z
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ADDENDUMTo list how it jibes with ONLY the reality as we see it.Example:* No cabinet member saw Trump off* ALL at top STILL behaving and talking like Trump's second term is already assured - WHILE ACKNOWLEDGING the Biden Admin?SUGGESTIVE OF SHORT TERM* Biden gets no access to AF1* EOs flying like they're working against a clock * NG in DC until MARCH - suggesting the transition date? There in case of leaks?What else?
(DIR) Post #A43vvmTipOl4rbNdSa by charlotte1958@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T11:25:05Z
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@StevenDouglas @sambam I think your point about face-saving is a good one, and I also think Trump will make a deal with anyone MAYBE EVEN CRIMINALS, as hard as that is to stomach!!Does that jive with what Thomas says about his belief that the solution is constitutional and legal?Even if it makes sense, is there a legal basis for it? Is the precedent of 1877 enough of a legal basis?
(DIR) Post #A43w6rC5dTrEfrPkrA by MMA@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T11:27:05Z
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@StevenDouglas Indeed. It isn’t about vindication; Trump is thinking far beyond that. He certainly IS correct, but that isn’t the focus. Keeping the country intact is the goal. I think the things Thomas listed will all be accomplished, but they can’t be, if we don’t have a country. Overarching goal is to transition without the civil unrest, rioting and looting that rocked the country during MLK. I was just born then, but my mom lived through Watts. Those were terrible times.
(DIR) Post #A43w9OCBuKE1bdfYJM by MMA@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T11:27:32Z
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@StevenDouglas Indeed. It isn’t about vindication; Trump is thinking far beyond that. He certainly IS correct, but that isn’t the focus. Keeping the country intact is the goal. I think the things Thomas listed will all be accomplished, but they can’t be, if we don’t have a country. Overarching goal is to transition without the civil unrest, rioting and looting that rocked the country during MLK. I was just born then, but my mom lived through Watts. Those were terrible times.
(DIR) Post #A43wOylMEYKrMRYHEu by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T11:30:21Z
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Also, Presidential Succession Act - never tested but widely thought to be unconstitutional because it contradicts the Constitution and puts a member of the LEGISLATURE into the line of EXECUTIVE succession as Acting President. PELOSI, to be exact - not Pompeo, who was the ONLY CONSTITUTIONALLY designated successor.Schumer: "Wanna put that one to the test, Donald? I'm sure Nancy wouldn't mind."
(DIR) Post #A43wi1UAKpJTJ7aiuG by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T11:33:47Z
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@suhasvaze A brokered deal, agreed to by Congress, would contain all of that already, whatever was hypothetically agreed to.
(DIR) Post #A43x5j94AvsrNN1d6e by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T11:38:05Z
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@charlotte1958 Can't argue one hypothesis from the framework of another. Each must be self-consistent only. And I'm not saying what I "think" anyone's doing. I'm only proposing a framework through which everyone's current actions could be explained.The legal argument that "everything Biden has done is a nullity because of the fraud" could be a nullity in itself if Congress voted on it.
(DIR) Post #A43z9g6tbKnV1u1PbE by charlotte1958@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T12:01:12Z
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@StevenDouglas Do you subscribe to the theory that Trump is undoing the Act of 1871, IN ADDITION TO dealing with the Chinese and a fraudulent election?Restoring America back to its roots as aConstitutional Republic, as opposed to “America as a corporation”??If so, part of that MAY BE an inauguration on March 4, the Inauguration Day we had before it was January 20!!Which would explain NG in DC until March!!Crazy?? Possible??
(DIR) Post #A43zDUAxumHPArjzhw by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T12:01:53Z
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@charlotte1958 @sambam Can't argue for Thomas, but I do know that such a commission established by Congress is constitutional (legal).In terms of precedent 1877 is a matter of record and as good as it gets. Whatever the solution, it MUST go through Congress.
(DIR) Post #A43zmsEMTIdHukCgbY by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T12:08:18Z
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@charlotte1958 No, and that's not a yes or no. It's just WAYYYYYYY to out there to speculate on. Anyone who does is going to be chasing their own tail, chock full of pinned assumptions.
(DIR) Post #A43zqmBursT8LEv9OK by Refsareouttolunch@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T12:09:00Z
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@StevenDouglas if things unfold as you describe, will everything Biden did not be deemed null and void?
(DIR) Post #A43zuXUPTEhru4Mi48 by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T12:09:40Z
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@Kimy12345 Good to know. So if there was a brokered deal, that's not part of it.See how much I keep abreast on what's going on in the moment?
(DIR) Post #A440DHkCEfm4ZWgizw by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T12:13:04Z
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@Refsareouttolunch No, because that would not be self-consistent. If things unfolded as part of a brokered deal, the "null and void" part would have to be part of it - and why would Democrats in Congress agree to that?The "null and void" theory is part of a different hypothesis, different framework.
(DIR) Post #A440XWdAb4qwXA3Kme by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T12:16:43Z
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@wokeconservative @charlotte1958 @sambam You'd have to ask Liz Cheney and others like here. I don't know how a brokered deal would change the way a Trump basher would bash. Maybe she could be (HYPOTHETICALLY) betting on the nation being up in arms about such deal? Maybe a deal was made with her that she couldn't pass up? No idea.
(DIR) Post #A440iHE4DE5nwSRCl6 by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T12:18:40Z
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@wokeconservative @charlotte1958 @sambam Incidentally, I don't even agree with my theory. It's just a working hypothesis that we can establish plausibility for or tear down, I'm not wedded to it at all.
(DIR) Post #A441b0nqyPmOw0HC6a by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T12:28:33Z
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Time Article - getting ahead of a leaked "fraud off the table" provision? They get to rub it in our faces knowing that nobody's skin is in that game.
(DIR) Post #A441qBeUv2QCvU8VfM by charlotte1958@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T12:31:18Z
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@StevenDouglas @wokeconservative @sambam Your theory does a good job of connecting the dots!! Which beats what’s bumping around in my head!!It’s also very Trumpian - he’ll literally make a deal with anyone, in any situation!! That really surprised me in his books!! And it’s a MAJOR item that just hadn’t occurred to me!!So, under your hypothesis, what’s the role of the impeachment trial?? Something to eat up time? Chance to reveal some more of the evidence? Something else??
(DIR) Post #A442NcSSHDWrcRRfCS by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T12:37:20Z
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@charlotte1958 @wokeconservative @sambam Like Biden's time in office, the impeachment trial is politics as usual. They can still work to wreck Trump politically, and obviously would have no provision against impeachment (in any hypothetical deal if it exists). So, shot in the dark to try to get Trump disqualified.
(DIR) Post #A4438oThP76OVcWyMy by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T12:45:52Z
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@dipanjanc WOW. I HAD to check that to be sure. MORE than interesting.
(DIR) Post #A444qx2z0P2xmVe3to by Johnny_Aurelius@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T13:05:03Z
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@StevenDouglas what do democrats get out of having Biden in for a limited time? A few short term EOs, shallow PR win, narrative?
(DIR) Post #A4458pYrZmtzmF5AQ4 by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T13:08:17Z
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@Johnny_Aurelius Primarily? Keeping heads out of nooses. Living to fight another day.Having Biden in for a limited time could have been a relatively minor part of such an hypothetical deal. "Okay, but we get three months (to fuck you up as much as we can). You have to give us that because it will take you at least that long anyway."Just spitballing.
(DIR) Post #A445Q0lRB4lTRe9kNU by Johnny_Aurelius@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T13:11:22Z
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@StevenDouglas fair enough. I did appreciate you were presenting hypotheticals. I was just curious about yours reasoning for #2.
(DIR) Post #A445npInRcSiqX7EIK by sandman4224@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T13:15:42Z
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@StevenDouglas Interesting theory! In a sane world a definite possibility. With the ideological division at hand, a low probability. I see the Dems acting like a criminal trying to tie up loose ends yet still highly suspicious and in the dark. Working at such a low vibration they only had so much to work with and spent it in getting the prize. Now they are without armor and helpless. The hammer drops soon. How heavy? Trump is the ultimate deal maker. Hoping for the best!
(DIR) Post #A4462CXTqacmy5q2Ns by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T13:18:17Z
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@lroseboom No, my point #2 has nothing to do with THEIR fraud. That's Trump's point that would have brought them all squarely to the Avoid Mass Extinction table. #2 would be about leveraging THEIR resources (on all fronts). Trump proves fraud, they call it ALL A BRILLIANT CON on his part. Now it gloves off, because they KNOW that "Trump stole the election!". As the US descends into further chaos. Dwarfing EVERYTHING we saw rallied against him in his first term.
(DIR) Post #A446Y8kNTtQGTT6INc by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T13:24:03Z
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@billdavis @Johnny_Aurelius If a deal was made, The Master was the architect who left NOTHING on the table. That much I would feel exhilarated about.
(DIR) Post #A4471qGckm6fqbLXjk by Johnny_Aurelius@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T13:29:26Z
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@StevenDouglas @billdavis agreed. Thats why such a hypothetical peaked my curiosity.
(DIR) Post #A447SVqEnrmIJjipF2 by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T13:34:15Z
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Damn, almost forgot. All the at-the-top resignations we're now seeing. Think they don't all have their ears pressed firmly on the railroad tracks?
(DIR) Post #A447VgQVu9Fs10CYzo by silverback@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T13:34:50Z
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@StevenDouglas And guess who the train is?
(DIR) Post #A447aXBLheyQn8QCeG by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T13:35:42Z
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@silverback Good catch, missed visual opportunity!
(DIR) Post #A447e2RTw1oec0deQC by silverback@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T13:36:20Z
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@StevenDouglas Haha! I was only onto it because of the last thread I posted.
(DIR) Post #A447ioKznqVQJbsePI by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T13:37:12Z
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@silverback Reading it now. #Instafollow
(DIR) Post #A4491vnaO2WEuavzfc by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T13:51:51Z
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@RoseSchellin Yes, EVERY move they make is like they're seriously pressed for time and don't have a care in the world about how the voting public perceives any of it Almost like...they think they'll be able to blame someone else for all of its effects. And say that they tried.
(DIR) Post #A4495UoceTf8No7RT6 by ManuelCerdan1@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T13:52:30Z
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@StevenDouglas @RoseSchellinThey exude fear and weakness.
(DIR) Post #A449katgwdh77O5T7Y by ChaplainEric@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T13:59:56Z
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@StevenDouglas This is a great thread and great discussion. All reasonable and polite. Good job all.
(DIR) Post #A44A0jQYzuAgCv9qC0 by BeThankful@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T14:02:51Z
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@StevenDouglas 3x rereading your theory:1-Incredulous, 2-curious, 3-concerned, 1876??! We'll see what happens! I can easily imagine Dems threatening to turn their foot soldiers loose again: burned out neighborhoods, ruined city centers, terrified populace, and angry Trump supporters turned vigilantes. Ds don't care what happens to expendable blamtifa or anyone else, only power.Trump loves America and all her citizens enough to create a compromise limiting destruction.
(DIR) Post #A44A4RvM15Sl51Kg7M by MegasAlexandros@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T14:03:31Z
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@StevenDouglas Choo choo... oh f^*k! It’s the Trump Train! 😂
(DIR) Post #A44AGMjBA7pCRGJtEu by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T14:05:40Z
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@ShamlessSunday Right. That's a shot they get to take and would dearly love to see come to fruition. Ah well, welcome President Pence. Not happening. It's DOA.
(DIR) Post #A44AKe1mmbAPFi3zX6 by MegasAlexandros@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T14:06:27Z
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@StevenDouglas @RoseSchellin Just like children do.
(DIR) Post #A44Ar4kywNctPwfT2O by Njsaywhat@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T14:12:19Z
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@StevenDouglas I like the way you think
(DIR) Post #A44Au79GVMkzhhTVzM by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T14:12:51Z
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@CourtFlower That is part of this hypothesis. 1) Trump PROVES he can wipe Biden clean out of the oval office and nullify every move he's made.Likewise, the shape of Congress itself as the election results would prove.That brings them SQUARELY to the table. Now what?They cower, lay down their swords and beg for mercy?Yeah, IN A COMIC BOOK!No, exorcised demons don't come out that easy. You have to at least offer them a herd of swine to enter into, before they run madly over a cliff.
(DIR) Post #A44BE5cpsS0alupbxQ by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T14:16:28Z
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@CourtFlower In answer to your question, that could all - including anything Trump could do or undo afterward - be part of a BINDING resolution, agreed upon by Congress, as determined by a commission.
(DIR) Post #A44Box6GXMFz2tAsZE by joeestopinal@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T14:23:08Z
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@StevenDouglas 1.) Never conceded. 2.) Always a contested end. result.3.) 45th Presidency has proof of legal vote counts.4.) The presentation has begun, restoration is underway.
(DIR) Post #A44CiiDD4qtt5W0jqK by MMA@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T14:33:12Z
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@StevenDouglas @Kimy12345 If the whole point is to keep this under wraps for reasons yet unknown (or never known for that matter) ... what difference does that make (smile)?Wouldn't that be the best thing to happen, in terms of the overall goal? Why couldn't that be part of the psychological or deceptive operations?
(DIR) Post #A44CkTXWbEusA5M08m by MMA@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T14:33:31Z
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@StevenDouglas @Kimy12345 If the whole point is to keep this under wraps for reasons yet unknown (or never to ever be known, for that matter) ... what difference does that make (smile)?Wouldn't that be the best thing to happen, in terms of the overall goal? Why couldn't that be part of the psychological or deceptive operations?
(DIR) Post #A44D3Ca9s5rv4SVzvs by MMA@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T14:36:55Z
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@StevenDouglas @Kimy12345 If the whole point is to keep this under wraps for reasons yet unknown (or never to ever be known, for that matter) ... what difference does that make (smile)?Wouldn't that be the best thing to happen, in terms of the overall goal? Why couldn't that be part of the psychological or deceptive operations?Trump wouldn't let his ego get in the way of the overall goal. I think he'd let that fraud be saluted. Better coup de gras when it's taken away, as well.
(DIR) Post #A44DBxDENxAc0axr5E by MMA@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T14:38:30Z
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@StevenDouglas @Kimy12345 If the whole point is to keep this under wraps for reasons yet unknown (or never to ever be known, for that matter) ... what difference does that make (smile)?Wouldn't that be the best thing to happen, in terms of the overall goal? Why couldn't that be part of the psychological or deceptive operations?Trump wouldn't let his ego get in the way of the overall goal. I think he'd let that fraud be saluted. A better coup de grace when it's taken away, as well.
(DIR) Post #A44Do5FQxRZzw0Aziq by Yucca@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T14:45:23Z
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@StevenDouglas We should keep our eyes on Bezos and his company Blue Origin. I understand Andy Jassy was head of cloud services & is the one who deplatformed Parler?Anyway, not reading anything into the resignations . . . yet.
(DIR) Post #A44DzLBg2HJWYTmqm0 by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T14:47:25Z
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@MMA @Kimy12345 It has always been my position that those NG troops in DC - which I reject were put there as theater or a head fake - were/are in place to defend against Democrats.Lots and lots of LIVID, FROTHING ANGRY Democrats. What would make them so angry?Getting so much as a HINT of a deal like this most certainly would. And they would be gunning for EVERYONE IN OFFICE who allowed such a travesty to happen. Trump rising like a Phoenix from the ashes? WTF???!!!Bedlam. Mayhem.
(DIR) Post #A44E9FZJmT3K1bZOro by MMA@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T14:49:12Z
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@StevenDouglas @Kimy12345 Good. Living well is the best revenge. It isn't how you start, it's how you finish.
(DIR) Post #A44EYZeEGPqbXTwUUa by bonmarche946@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T14:53:47Z
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@StevenDouglas Very interesting. Good points. My question is DJT doesn’t lose, and he certainly doesn’t compromise on anything that would make him look bad. He is a winner. Also, he is vengeful. Very. So I’m not to sure about the ‘deal’ you suggested he may have agreed to. 🤷♀️
(DIR) Post #A44EfoaB8SOZswV612 by charlotte1958@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T14:55:06Z
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@StevenDouglas I agree.. it’s WAY OUT THERE all right!!!BUT,Impeachment trial on 2/9Cases scheduled at SCOTUS for 2/19If Trump makes his comeback on March 4,That’s going to be VERY WEIRD!!!!
(DIR) Post #A44Em9l5JhdJIZcr4q by dtweete@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T14:56:14Z
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@StevenDouglas I feel like we don't have our heads on straight about whether we're at war with China or not. If so--if many of Trump's opponents are simply "compromised," as opposed to being domestic ideological enemies, then they are effectively prisoners of China and would welcome bringing about China's defeat and redeeming themselves. Unless their agendas align so perfectly that they are one and the same enemy, Trump would be able to set them against each other clandestinely at the fissure.
(DIR) Post #A44F1wDxP9q3xKeirQ by RedRocker@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T14:59:05Z
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@StevenDouglas They haven't moved in to the White House.
(DIR) Post #A44F5N6ttnksD7zavw by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T14:59:43Z
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@deltacaroline Could be.
(DIR) Post #A44FHSe78wMir2ICBs by joeestopinal@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T15:01:53Z
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@StevenDouglas IMHO, Demkrats always knew the switched digital votes could be easily proven. Plus, it was not enough to sieze an open victory. "Fortifying" the outcome was the waves of last minute paper ballots hastily thrown into the mix, much of which illegal by the clock, much by outright fraud. It became a question that did the paper ballots bridge (fortify) the gap of illegally switched digital machine votes? That took timely manual sorting after the fact OR those ballots failed outright.
(DIR) Post #A44GwZWiZ83e1P03jU by Zemeliko@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T15:20:32Z
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@StevenDouglas A VERY interesting theory. And Trumpian in the form it is an entirely ``outside of the box'' solution.However, it raises many questions:1) What do the Dems REALLY get out of it? Avoiding jail time? Power-hungry creatures NEVER settle for timely-bound power.2) Who's in the deal? If it includes too many, like Big Tech and some Press leaders, how do you avoid leaks?3) How does that deal with the foreign threats, i.e., the CCP?BTW, I hope @ThomasWic also checks it out.
(DIR) Post #A44H15his9EQycInlA by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T15:21:21Z
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@RedRocker Well, they did move a crib in, and some dogs, so...kennel and daycare center at the very least? https://www.yahoo.com/gma/joe-jill-biden-move-crib-145531641.html
(DIR) Post #A44HgwyRinVq3x5IbQ by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T15:28:55Z
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@Maskay Again, ignore MY version of a deal. I only put it in as a placeholder to illustrate. Fortunately for all of us, I'm not the deal maker. Trump is. If there was a deal, it will have his stamp on it, and will be much better than anything I could ever come up with.
(DIR) Post #A44KK3SBlPg3MSlprM by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T15:58:24Z
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@Zemeliko @ThomasWic The best I can come up with is what WE get out it. A Republic, again, if we can keep it.
(DIR) Post #A44KYu294N5SUOfXdI by judgedread@freespeechextremist.com
2021-02-08T16:00:25.957392Z
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@StevenDouglas Reality is Biden's cabal stole the election and got away with it.
(DIR) Post #A44LVesB52ikYR1WN6 by FreakinChickenLittle@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T16:11:42Z
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@StevenDouglas That might explain why Barr hasn't signed off on 30 of Trump's EO. So they couldn't be reversed. And the EO's already reversed have damaged the Biden admin that people will be glad to see them go.
(DIR) Post #A44LngQs1LAobUqV1c by Zemeliko@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T16:14:57Z
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@StevenDouglas Yes, of course.But a deal is between two sides. And both have to agree to it. Ergo, both feel that they get something out of it.Maybe they got to choose between two scenarios - go along with the deal, and be exterminated entirely (jail and all). That was what I referred to with ``Avoiding jail time'' above.If Trump only coerced them to do it, then he might as well act without any deal. Right?@ThomasWic
(DIR) Post #A44LoUjizVxqcS3GM4 by bodiazrising@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T16:15:06Z
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@StevenDouglas what Democrat “proof”Are you referring to? Proof election result wasn’t rigged? Or proof that is was, but involved so much corruption from all sides that it would destroy country beyond anything Trump could keep together or repair? Or something else?
(DIR) Post #A44MxmUIShuUEYpLxQ by HunDriverWidow@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T16:27:59Z
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@Zemeliko @StevenDouglas @ThomasWic Gitmo will be home to many soon. May they rot there until Satan takes them home.
(DIR) Post #A44O92HECMEWLJe3Au by NickB@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T16:41:13Z
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@StevenDouglas @Zemeliko @ThomasWic People have to go to jail. Not someone but multiple people have to serve time to grow the public’s belief in the judicial system. It can’t just be Biden and his family, there needs to be people from both ideologies and a long list of them. This can’t be something to where Trump gets back in and all is well now. Nobody’s going to accept elected officials singing Kumbaya while holding hands.
(DIR) Post #A44P7Dy7rCRTynPUX2 by JamesPetrilla@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T16:52:05Z
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@StevenDouglas The Presidential line of succession would have gone to Pelosi, true, because after Pence as VP, it goes to Speaker of the House. I think a lot of people get this confused because of SOS Haig trying to usurp the role when the Reagan assassination attempt happened.
(DIR) Post #A44Q6XS02RpI49cWJ6 by ThreeOneThreeChris@freespeechextremist.com
2021-02-08T17:02:32.198622Z
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@judgedread @StevenDouglas And the worse reality is that Trump was too weak to fight to stop it from happening. I think even the Democrats were surprised at how easily Trump just rolled over and accepted what they did without a fight.
(DIR) Post #A44Wi7ruCTDdSB2mG0 by KittyDugre@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T18:17:12Z
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@StevenDouglas Well, if Biden was indeed an illegitimate president, ANY and ALL EOs are illegitimate. No?
(DIR) Post #A44fOtqozYQM43RaCm by Beemer4Trump@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T19:54:35Z
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@tdagkhan @silverback @StevenDouglas 😁😁😁
(DIR) Post #A44nN3iK9MBrhx6Pa4 by Brandismile1@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T21:23:54Z
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@StevenDouglas He doesn't get access to AF1? That's quite interesting.
(DIR) Post #A44qt4M1bWuyp5cxxA by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T22:03:18Z
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@bodiazrising The Democrat side of the discussion would have ZERO-NOTHING to do with election fraud, everything to do with what they could DEMONSTRABLY do to RUIN Trump's term if he dropped a bomb on their heads. And I mean "proof" to TRUMP's satisfaction, whatever that means.
(DIR) Post #A44rQhmM2rqkeWyvxo by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T22:09:22Z
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@JamesPetrilla Haig's stunt was a one-off. A lot of people get it confused because of a Presidential Succession Act that contradicts what is plainly written in the Constitution.
(DIR) Post #A44s75dLkC9sncyqmm by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T22:17:02Z
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@Julie I only meant punishments for fraud, and it's actually not my theory, it was just to illustrate a deal made. Not THAT deal. Some deal.If Trump already proved the fraud to them, that would be the starting point of a deal which we're not privy to. He would be holding all the cards to begin with.
(DIR) Post #A44sASrlp2sTisKomO by bodiazrising@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T22:17:39Z
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@StevenDouglas ah, I see what you are saying. Thanks. That said, if Trump were able to do what he did in first term with so much TDS already commanding the Dems, I doubt there would be much that would scare him away. I say, Let’s Roll!
(DIR) Post #A44sFf51q4oH3F0x9M by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T22:18:35Z
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@KittyDugre No, not if a deal agreed to by Trump and Congress MADE him a temporarily legitimate president.
(DIR) Post #A44sPMiUy6UAzh6Sbw by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T22:20:20Z
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@Brandismile1 No, since been shown to be wrong. He has accessed AF1.
(DIR) Post #A44yBk2G4ZQszEETgG by JamesPetrilla@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T23:24:33Z
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@StevenDouglas The original language of the Constitution says:"Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected."So, "Officer" would denote Secretaries, hence why you're pointing to Pompeo, correct?
(DIR) Post #A44zw93NUKpRqzRm2C by StevenDouglas@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-08T23:44:41Z
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@JamesPetrilla Correct. An "Officer" is a member of the Executive branch. The Speaker of the House is not an "Officer" within the original Federalist Papers meaning, and Congress, by slipping the House Speaker into the line of succession effectively went against Separation of Powers.Arguably (and strongly so) the only way for the Succession Act to be constitutional as written would be by way of a ratified Amendment.
(DIR) Post #A450BOIz45oZV3153g by judgedread@freespeechextremist.com
2021-02-08T23:46:47.660599Z
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@ThreeOneThreeChris @StevenDouglas The people who engineered it knew Trump would roll over. They'd beaten him on every other issue for four years, and they had hundreds of agents running his administration including Epstein-linked Bill Barr in the critical AG spot.Normal Democrats are scratching their heads at how easily Hitler 2.0 was removed.
(DIR) Post #A453OhPHemAQMy05xY by JamesPetrilla@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-09T00:23:28Z
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@StevenDouglas That would be the gap in my knowledge - the Federalist Papers.I plan on reading them soon.Thanks for the insight!
(DIR) Post #A455I505jmTZQQBk8G by Locksmith@gleasonator.com
2021-02-09T00:44:41.715874Z
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@judgedread @ThreeOneThreeChris @StevenDouglas what is a normal democrat? i would have thought normal democrats were the ones that never questioned the propaganda-box narratives.
(DIR) Post #A456C3mHTEptqjQE08 by KittyDugre@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-09T00:54:48Z
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@StevenDouglas Ewwww, me no like that. 😥
(DIR) Post #A45BA2ZlT3jtJVQM2i by Brandismile1@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-09T01:50:27Z
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@StevenDouglas Thank you for the update.
(DIR) Post #A45CRxAwNv3ZjOuzmC by Annasmom22@social.quodverum.com
2021-02-09T02:04:54Z
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@StevenDouglas @Brandismile1 Well it certainly sounds good and plausible! I’m getting so tired of these clowns up there that do not know what the hell they're doing but screwing this country. But I know Trump can straighten it out
(DIR) Post #A45RoXrCBPH7BEugDo by judgedread@freespeechextremist.com
2021-02-09T04:56:24.364894Z
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@Locksmith What I mean is they buy the narrative that Trump is this dangerous Hitlerian figure. Meanwhile the election riggers knew he was a glass jawed chump.