Post A40T2OvnIIl5iPR3jM by SylvainDe@mamot.fr
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(DIR) Post #A3xHCcJRMspQ7QYtd2 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2021-02-05T06:08:54Z
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To understand why millennials hate you, you must understand capitalism. To understand capitalism, imagine being forced to play a game of Monopoly where one person starts with nearly all the money in the bank and all the properties… and what about you? Fuck you, that’s what.
(DIR) Post #A3xMiWwjM3jmVryatE by ew@social.ancreport.com
2021-02-05T07:22:09.629439Z
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@aral lmao is this really the kind of low iq shit ppl post on retardodon? his first name is literally just half a stroke away from being "anal"
(DIR) Post #A40OLZzDuonTjZMhFI by fm@pleroma.gretagangbang.biz
2021-02-05T07:21:07.274810Z
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@aral 1) you dont speak for a generation, and 2) this is senseless drivel.
(DIR) Post #A40OLaV80CJlKWIAyW by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2021-02-05T09:39:56Z
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@fm 3)🖕
(DIR) Post #A40OLb125Zq2vTDehk by SylvainDe@mamot.fr
2021-02-06T18:17:33Z
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@aralShe has a point. Every now and then someone manages to traverse the board landing on community and chance, get 20000 every time they pass home and when they manage to get enough to buy one of the first row property become adamant that sheer luck has nothing to do with it. @fm
(DIR) Post #A40OLbWaCH4kVJyqsi by fm@pleroma.gretagangbang.biz
2021-02-06T18:24:37.998295Z
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@SylvainDe In the US, 60% of all wealthy people were not born wealthy. 70% of wealthy families lose their wealth by the 3rd generation, and it's 95% by the fourth generation.This is real information. This draws a picture of the real world. A witty quip with an analogy to a game that demonstrates a miniscule understanding of how it really works and only serves to reenforce ones own world view is not a picture of the real world.@aral
(DIR) Post #A40T2OvnIIl5iPR3jM by SylvainDe@mamot.fr
2021-02-06T19:09:32Z
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@fmAnd do you have the same stats for people below ... Say 35?Also, you state that for wealthy people. Nice but it seems to me like the following:Of all people who won the lottery, more than 70% paid 5[insert currency name here] for a ticket. To bee meaningful, you would need to add the percentage of the population sait wealthy people represent. @aral
(DIR) Post #A40T2PSlJj87MerO7M by fm@pleroma.gretagangbang.biz
2021-02-06T19:17:12.602733Z
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@SylvainDe How is age relevant here? Age is not a concrete demographic. People that are 35 will be 40 soon. Toddlers are broke, is that an injustice? People start their lives young, build them as they age, and if they're competent, they may build the life they want at some point in their adulthood. It is the nature of time.What percentage of the population is rich can be relevant, but can also be misleading. "Getting rich" is not everyone's idea of success. Also, what percentage of people are successful can be dependent on the competence and education of the overall populace. There are a lot of variables, so many in fact that slapping a "percentage of people that are wealthy" on something doesn't really tell you much. It gets totally meaningless when you determine what "wealthy" means based on what percent of the population it is.No, just knowing how frequently random persons cycle in and out of different classes is enough to demonstrate upward mobility.@aral
(DIR) Post #A40T2QZBDLrEmqs1lA by SylvainDe@mamot.fr
2021-02-06T19:12:29Z
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@fm @aralTo make sure I'm fair, I'm not saying effort has nothing to do with it also. To rise in the capitalist world you need connections and dedication. But connections come easy to some and are almost impossible to acquire if you come from a rural area or a segregated community.
(DIR) Post #A40TNQY8TKeEoeOZtY by fm@pleroma.gretagangbang.biz
2021-02-06T19:21:01.194988Z
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@SylvainDe This is a baseless claim. I know people that became better off than their childhood selves without connections. I know more people moving up in life from rural areas than from urban ones, and in rural areas than in urban ones.Connections are not as important as education and aptitude, and there's some luck involved of course. People of West Virginia by and large aren't moving up, but it isn't because they don't rub elbows with the elites, it is because their education sucks. Texas in contrast is a very rural state and there used to be a saying that everyone from Texas is a millionaire.@aral
(DIR) Post #A40UlSwLKtNh8MkEAi by SylvainDe@mamot.fr
2021-02-06T19:28:58Z
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@fmSoooo would you say that if you came from west virginia you would need more luck to overcome what people from texas got by "birthing there"? And to get back to the generation components. Would you say that overall, education gets better when you are a low income child or worse?@aral
(DIR) Post #A40UlTuFk9Is8Am4YK by fm@pleroma.gretagangbang.biz
2021-02-06T19:36:33.553315Z
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@SylvainDe Yes, being born where you're born, and in the family, community and culture you're born into is pure luck. So is being born into a wealthy family or a poor one. But you have to be competent to earn wealth and you have to be competent to keep it. If you're incompetent and born poor you probably won't build much of anything. If you're incompetent and rich you'll probably squander it. I'm not saying that anyone can overcome anything with sheer competence, but most people have the opportunities around them to build a life they'd be happy with if they use those opportunities wisely.I'd say education is like any service, you get what you pay for. And I'd add to that, the public education system in the US is a grift and our poor aren't getting what we pay for. But I'll also point out that there was a time when you got no education at all unless you could afford it, or unless you were very driven to teach yourself.@aral
(DIR) Post #A40UlVXHgW7RBW2l1s by SylvainDe@mamot.fr
2021-02-06T19:31:45Z
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@fm @aralIf so, for the first part and worse ( at least in relation to upper revenue education) on the second. We seem to agree on the facts. The reasoning is another issue
(DIR) Post #A40UtYVmVMPijMB6Su by fm@pleroma.gretagangbang.biz
2021-02-06T19:38:01.906312Z
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@SylvainDe I don't have a clue what you said here lol. I doubt anyone does. I agree, our reasoning differs dramatically.@aral
(DIR) Post #A40WuEaKHF517vksk4 by SylvainDe@mamot.fr
2021-02-06T19:58:42Z
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@fmWe seem to agree on facts then.So if you are young now, you get worse education than the earlier generation. Since property is something you either acquire or inherit, you did not inherit and, because of education deficit have a lot less opportunity to acquire.Seems a lot like @aral 's original message. Maybe with less monopoly imagery and profanity.@aral
(DIR) Post #A40WuF9QAl9WsmAuRc by fm@pleroma.gretagangbang.biz
2021-02-06T20:00:33.826462Z
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@SylvainDeI wouldn't say you get a worse education than the previous generation. There's more information availability to us today than there was to our parents. I'd say the onus is on you to learn, but that has always been the case, it is just more evident now. @aral
(DIR) Post #A40kb7nYgT5Fw1j6si by zem@conesphere.social
2021-02-06T20:52:05Z
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@aralI honestly don't understand the connection between the problem of uncontrolled capitalism and people born after the 1.1.2000 ! I doubt that there is one at all.
(DIR) Post #A40kb8Gyv4cTPHUbk8 by ew@social.ancreport.com
2021-02-06T22:33:53.928070Z
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@zem @aral there isn't a connection. class warfare isn't real it's a marxist trick to get idiots to hand over their property.
(DIR) Post #A42RW5VeFzJUZj9b9M by zem@conesphere.social
2021-02-07T14:26:13Z
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@ewThat is also not entirely true! The problem that having wealthy parents improves your chances to get wealthy on your own is a matter of fact, and the big problem especially in fully free market systems as that means a lot of possible potential gets wasted because people don't get their fair chances! @aral
(DIR) Post #A42RW67ZyxeeTMttGy by ew@social.ancreport.com
2021-02-07T18:09:32.521051Z
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@zem you are a violent person who should learn how to leave people the fuck alone
(DIR) Post #A42bge4nakOwDiGgXw by zem@conesphere.social
2021-02-07T19:56:45Z
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@ew You have a strange definition of violence when pointing out that there are people who don't get the same chances than others already is a violent act to you! Therefore I am sorry that I have hurt your feelings. However the implicit question remains: What can be done about it, without sacrificing freedom?
(DIR) Post #A42bgeffNftM43W80m by ew@social.ancreport.com
2021-02-07T20:03:29.508343Z
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@zem I work for 10 hours, then you take 2 hours of my labor because you think it's morally justified to do so. my body has a finite lifespan, you stole that from me. you are a -violent- person who is incapable of leaving people alone and you advocate for slavery. I do not have a strange definition of violence, you are literally just delusional about your own character and ideas.
(DIR) Post #A42kNYmJxs2ZsFbE8G by zem@conesphere.social
2021-02-07T21:29:21Z
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@ew Interesting as if there is a different Zem writing! You have pointed out the result of exactly the same problems we mentioned earlier on your own! You have to get to work 10 hours to earn enough money to live from, that is a lot, you have to work. Do you receive any vacation payments, and health insurance within that rate? Can you stop working? It is not about you having pay tax that you can't afford, it is about letting the richer people who have more money pay more taxes instead!
(DIR) Post #A42kNZOxeCwto5g5MO by ew@social.ancreport.com
2021-02-07T21:40:53.268922Z
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@zem no, your ideology is about enslaving and slaughtering people who you think have too much stuff, and in the case of the kulaks that was 8 acres of land.
(DIR) Post #A42yLZCKpfhDxEi8zw by zem@conesphere.social
2021-02-08T00:09:59Z
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@ew You sound much like if you believe that everyone, who does not have your ideology, is automatically a communist dictator!That sounds very unrealistic if you ask me! It also disrespects the people who have died throughout history. It is a scheme that whenever someone points out a problem and suggests a solution in the US the solution is likely "too communist", but if it is "too communist", no better solution is suggested either!
(DIR) Post #A42yLZkilpCZfsnbay by ew@social.ancreport.com
2021-02-08T00:17:23.811135Z
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@zem you want to take people's property away from them by pointing a gun to their head, and you want to do it on a large scale.
(DIR) Post #A42yeGaAGkPnilm2YC by zem@conesphere.social
2021-02-08T00:17:40Z
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@ew No, I never said that, please re read!
(DIR) Post #A42yeH5iNReVIcXEjA by ew@social.ancreport.com
2021-02-08T00:20:47.956846Z
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@zem reread what, the part where you want to redistribute wealth? there's only one way to do that and it's through unrelenting violence.
(DIR) Post #A431LSdnVkcJTrCJNI by zem@conesphere.social
2021-02-08T00:45:47Z
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@ewNo, violence is not an option!The best idea I came up so far is to stop inheriting things, basically.Grandmothers House might be one of the possible exceptions, I have not thought every detail through.
(DIR) Post #A431LTDxLJXZI07Bjc by ew@social.ancreport.com
2021-02-08T00:51:00.818121Z
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@zem so if someone inherits wealth are you gonna roll up to their place with a gun and tell them to hand it over, and when they say no you'll shoot them or put them in a cage?
(DIR) Post #A433eY3jn1MLhCYmuW by zem@conesphere.social
2021-02-08T01:14:54Z
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@ewProbably a charge is the most realistic thing to do. A charge with good options for rates, so that you have the option to keep a business running in second generation. There are lots of discussable edge cases in that idea, on the other hand there are countries that already have an inheritance charge, so it is not an uncommon thing to do, just the max rate is to low. I remember its rate being somewhere at 50% above 13 million in my country.
(DIR) Post #A433eYWo2wbz9MA0Dg by ew@social.ancreport.com
2021-02-08T01:16:52.161803Z
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@zem and if they say no to the "charge"?
(DIR) Post #A438bi26kbfRWyGOLA by zem@conesphere.social
2021-02-08T02:09:42Z
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@ewthat depends on what penalty your government has forseen for such a case and as usual you can argue against any charge in court, which is one of the big advantages of the splitted forces system of modern democracies.
(DIR) Post #A438biXerIu96p1aW8 by ew@social.ancreport.com
2021-02-08T02:12:23.030381Z
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@zem literal soy chugging response.