Post A408CsCREPuOLeNAye by kev@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #A3noT2dIGhy7h994ka by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-01-31T16:45:32Z
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Some of my thoughts on the whole #WhatsApp #Telegram and #Signal debacle.https://kevq.uk/leave-whatsapp-messenger-nomad/
(DIR) Post #A3npzsxpL0BdDZyV6W by lx@tooting.ch
2021-01-31T17:02:35Z
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@kev I don't think you mentioned this link, so maybe it's worth adding it to the additional resources section?https://www.securemessagingapps.com/
(DIR) Post #A3nqO6dCAu94YXsETY by spaetz@mas.to
2021-01-31T17:07:01Z
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@kev never considered Threema? Servers in Switzerland. Apps are fully open source and inspectable. (although new accounts can apparently not be created with the open source version of the apps or something). It is E2E and you can chose to share your addressbook (as hashes) or not.
(DIR) Post #A3nr2FOj04UTKRFJyq by VikingKong@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-31T17:14:12.263078Z
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@kev"The only data Signal holds about its users are the date the account was created and the date the user was last active. That’s literally it."Doesn't it holds also their mobile numbers? There are countries where your mobile number is directly linked to your real identity, you are not able to legally buy a SIM card anonymously there. For me the requirement to reveal my mobile number due to the registration was a deal breaker: a free service requiring from its users revealing their real identity can not be considered as safe or private.
(DIR) Post #A3nsTjlEJr17GqRdJY by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-01-31T17:30:48Z
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@VikingKong yep. That’s the identifier for an account. They’re working on not requiring this, I believe.Here in the UK, anonymous SIMs are a thing, but I’m not too bothered even if it was tied to me. All it shows is “this number/person opened their account on x date, and last accessed the service on y date” that’s fine with me.
(DIR) Post #A3ntaKykxJtYOOTzMW by cyr@fosstodon.org
2021-01-31T17:42:49Z
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@kev I was in a similar position in regards to trying Telegram, but don't like that when 1x1 chats are encrypted it's locked to that specific device (though I get the reasoning). I dived into the encryption protical too, this (PDF warning) was a good read:http://courses.csail.mit.edu/6.857/2017/project/19.pdfI came away with the opinion that Signal/Telegram are good for different things and don't plan to change from Signal just yet, though if I can get the family to my XMPP server then perhaps I'll switch.
(DIR) Post #A3nuBRwW1kJghm8BpQ by feyn@social.feyn.org
2021-01-31T17:49:54.124472Z
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@kev @VikingKong in Ireland too but unfortunately not in most of the EU. That sucks.
(DIR) Post #A3nuZi0PxP5XTPWXia by VikingKong@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-31T17:53:52.010116Z
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@feyn @kev In my case it's not even the EU: I live in Russia.
(DIR) Post #A3nvVyGFg5wQgUiBs0 by ScottMortimer@infosec.exchange
2021-01-31T18:04:23Z
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@kev Friends don't let friends use Telegram
(DIR) Post #A3nwZTGgx0Ghfr9Nrc by BeansWoold@fosstodon.org
2021-01-31T18:16:21Z
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@kev I've been trying to get all the people I chat with to make the switch over to Signal but I am one of the only ones I seem to hangout with who is conscious of where my data goes. My friends & family just don't seem to want to leave Facebook Messenger and Discord. But I did convince my mom to join Signal too!! 😂 😆 So now my chats with my mother are safely encrypted lmao.
(DIR) Post #A3nwxu3yylHxj9r7tA by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-01-31T18:20:29Z
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@ScottMortimer this!!!
(DIR) Post #A3nwzk2rCI7pEgCpxg by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-01-31T18:21:08Z
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@BeansWoold that’s half the battle. Get the matriarch over and the rest will follow! 😂
(DIR) Post #A3nxkONPZswVdu45Vg by rain@melonbread.dev
2021-01-31T18:29:50.438880Z
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@ScottMortimer @kev It's funny I always hear about Telegram but I personally do now know anyone who uses it for day to day messaging. The only time I even see it in the wild is in the Android custom ROM community as ever fly by night ROM has like 4 or 5 channels.
(DIR) Post #A3nyGqOMx7ChnVzGL2 by metalune@fosstodon.org
2021-01-31T18:35:21Z
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@kev I love the way you write your blog posts!
(DIR) Post #A3nyakq1JOXkMcPllA by TheRealNewsGeek@poa.st
2021-01-31T18:35:48.020823Z
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@rain @ScottMortimer @kev Assuming a certain level of feature parity among competitors, messenger adoption is heavily regional. People simply use what their friends are already using.
(DIR) Post #A3o1KrRZHgpK515fRA by pm@fosstodon.org
2021-01-31T19:09:39Z
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@kev Using Signal here too. I have Telegram but I use it for Linux group chats, most of which I'm actually not a big participator in. I might end up just removing Telegram altogether.
(DIR) Post #A3o2NxSrSHyvZmjgn2 by mmn@mastodon.sdf.org
2021-01-31T19:21:26Z
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@kev how about Delta.Chat ? It's got a small following but it's more decentralised and once set up you can't really tell the difference between it and WhatsApp / Signal
(DIR) Post #A3o4RaZsgoMZf1sWpc by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-01-31T19:44:39Z
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@metalune thank you so much. 😊
(DIR) Post #A3o4WuVM1qp2uYIZai by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-01-31T19:45:35Z
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@mmn I’ve heard of it, never used it before though. I’m not actually looking for another messenger app. I’m happy with Signal.
(DIR) Post #A3o4xl7r0YL1dp6oca by simon@fosstodon.org
2021-01-31T19:50:02Z
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@kev have you seen the list of GitHub issues against the signal app? Some of them don't give me huge confidence about the quality or ability to keep baddies from subverting the encryption via bugs
(DIR) Post #A3o5o4mPBCi1ei1UZM by maixent_mm@fosstodon.org
2021-01-31T19:59:45Z
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@kev "Receiving the fateful popup a week or so ago telling me I had to agree to share my data with Facebook, or stop using WhatsApp was the kick I needed to get off the platform. I deleted my account the same day."😅😅 To me what really sucks now about WhatsApp more than the privacy concerns is HOW THEY TREATED THE CUSTOMERS.Threatening to accept or leave is just complete lack of tact and a so obvious sign a total disrespect to customers.I'll better use Telegram just for that reason.
(DIR) Post #A3o6OuIx5YGJsloDlA by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-01-31T20:06:31Z
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@simon no I haven’t. But if it’s good enough for Snowden, it’s good enough me. Signal encryption is widely regarded as very strong.
(DIR) Post #A3o6ZA7b8X51pjO8MS by tempaccount@shitposter.club
2021-01-31T20:08:40.812038Z
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@maixent_mm @kev Telegram is not the perfect solution, it does not allow E2EE unless both correspondents are using phones, not PCs. But, it's your choice.
(DIR) Post #A3o8oxLmaTCqlXgLFg by maixent_mm@fosstodon.org
2021-01-31T20:28:46Z
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@tempaccount @kev I really like the fact that Telegram is highly customizable. You can literally make it look like what you want.It's reminds me of what Vivaldi Browser offers.I was sad to not found that on Signal. I just like setti9up things my way.
(DIR) Post #A3o8oyyoWq1Posx1jE by maixent_mm@fosstodon.org
2021-01-31T20:33:45Z
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@tempaccount @kev *setting up
(DIR) Post #A3o9RAwuTXWTwiGwWO by tempaccount@shitposter.club
2021-01-31T20:40:51.129801Z
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@maixent_mm @kev https://alternativeto.net/software/whatsapp/ This should help.My favorite one is WIre, the only problem is gettin anyone at all except one my friend, to use it. it does have bugs sometimes (just yesterday I failed to have voice-call with said friend), but it doesn't require a phone number and is E2EE.I've never used XMPP, but the way I understand it... things like for ex. Signal or Telegram are possibly good for talking with people one knows, XMPP is possibly good for talking with people one doesn't know. Gajim is a good PC client for XMPP and Conversations is a good Android client for XMPPhttps://alternativeto.net/software/gajim/https://alternativeto.net/software/conversations/about/
(DIR) Post #A3o9SjR1kAehBv6LnE by maixent_mm@fosstodon.org
2021-01-31T20:26:05Z
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@tempaccount @kev Pavel Durov (Telegram founder) just seems trustworthy to my mind.I've been following his official Chanel on Telegram and he really cares about the users and has done everything to prevent data of Telegram users from being accessed by govs. Telegram has ended up being blocked in Russia, Iran,... Because they couldn't access the users data.About E2EE not by default I wasn't aware of that, I think there's a good reason but I trust him not being after my data.
(DIR) Post #A3o9jPVj4gnaJvFhfk by tempaccount@shitposter.club
2021-01-31T20:44:08.755184Z
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@maixent_mm @kev to be honest? I'm in Russia so outside US jurisdiction and if I wanted to discuss something very private I would choose to use whatsapp instead of telegram, because of e2ee always being turned on. But in my opinion they are both horrible.I've been considering deleting Telegram account for the latest couple days and I will delete it, but, I'm not giving any advices to you.
(DIR) Post #A3oAVuVh7eTqMbMdbE by cos@fosstodon.org
2021-01-31T20:52:32Z
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@kev Good thoughts - everything is better than WhatsApp. But I have to disagree on using another centralized app. Matrix ticks all the boxes. It's open standard an no single authority has control over it. XMPP was also a good idea, but failed to do in 20 years what Matrix did in a few years. Comparing between WhatsApp, Telegram and Signal is like comparing BBS's in 1990's when Internet E-mail is becoming a thing.
(DIR) Post #A3oAWAbbHSiAHYFa1g by metalune@fosstodon.org
2021-01-31T20:52:44Z
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@tempaccount @kev @maixent_mm Gajim is a good client, unless you know about #poezio poezio is love. I don't know why, but as soon I started using this client, I fell in love with it, it has soo much charme, and the people in peozio@muc.poez.io are soo nice too
(DIR) Post #A3oEbowb85caef1P4S by minimlr@fosstodon.org
2021-01-31T21:38:24Z
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@kev I looked at Telegram awhile back. I decided to go with Signal instead. I deleted WhatsApp today (and wrote about it). https://minimlr.com/whatsapp-has-finally-been-deleted
(DIR) Post #A3oHUO3oz0at72Xzs0 by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-01-31T22:10:46Z
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@cos like I said in the post, it’s a personal choice. Matrix ticks all *your* boxes. I personally find the whole thing confusing. My mum definitely wouldn’t be able to use it.
(DIR) Post #A3oHrFjI7kirvzqcjo by michel_slm@floss.social
2021-01-31T22:14:51Z
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@kev @cos it certainly felt more confusing even just a few months ago (my first attempt to migrate some techie friends failed). The apps are in a state now where matrix.to links seem to work well enough that I'm getting close to trying again
(DIR) Post #A3oKCt90yXAmAQK9s8 by jrmyj@venera.social
2021-01-31T22:38:29Z
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@kev @simon Nowhere to get Signal app except the Google play store?
(DIR) Post #A3oMT5D8536A8F6B2O by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-01-31T23:06:34Z
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@jrmyj @simon you can download an APK from their site I believe.
(DIR) Post #A3owClFO8KwZvsfhZY by JayT@fosstodon.org
2021-02-01T05:46:52Z
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@kev one thing people seem to miss in all these discussions is the business models that these companies are built on. Whatsapp had to go in the "collect all your data" direction because that's their business model.Telegram will eventually have to monetise their users also, as they are a business.Signal, however, is a non-profit, and so they can't be sold-off to a company, and they have no business incentive to change the game later. All they have to do is cover costs+developers.
(DIR) Post #A3p3Q0J29iwk52deVM by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-02-01T07:07:53Z
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@JayT that’s a great point.
(DIR) Post #A3p6TNCbmf6Tp6vo36 by maixent_mm@fosstodon.org
2021-01-31T21:07:08Z
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@tempaccount @kev Wow! Thanks for sharing.Feel a little bit dumb to realize just now that there existed so many alternatives. Wow! The choice is really ours. It has always been.
(DIR) Post #A3pDOVi5QN6QROHcx6 by cos@fosstodon.org
2021-02-01T08:59:39Z
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@kev Agreed, mums and grannies are a very difficult user group :-) They do need someone for initial setup, but after getting them to family room the actual usage should be quite identical to other apps. It would be actually possible to make a "granny-grade" Matrix client that would use phone number as identity (sacrificing anonymity and multi-account) and hide all E2EE features (compromising privacy) so the UX would be as simple as possible.
(DIR) Post #A3pFow7k2ayDnc0niK by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-02-01T09:26:50Z
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@cos I dunno. I have Element on my iPad. I tried to find my username last night so I can add it to the contact page on my website. Couldn't find it anywhere.Then I tried to add an email address to me account and kept getting 401 errors.I feel like Matrix is far from non-tech user proof.
(DIR) Post #A3pHPR1AkrO7ziuHq4 by cos@fosstodon.org
2021-02-01T09:44:24Z
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@kev You see your user info by clicking on your avatar in top left corner. Also Settings/General/Logged in as shows it. The e-mail address issue sounds like problem with your homeserver. Please report it to the admins.
(DIR) Post #A3pHvvtjTliN29vIUi by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-02-01T09:50:27Z
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@cos there is no avatar in the top right corner of the iOS app. When I go into settings, there is no username listed (see attached). I got it from the webUI in the end.I sorted the email address through the webUI too.These niggles is what kills project adoption for general users. My mum would have given up long ago. It's too complicated and over-engineered IMO.1/2
(DIR) Post #A3pI1pyKQMrUOOt8TI by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-02-01T09:51:35Z
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@cos perfect example - I just changed the password on my account and had to re-login with my iPad. This took like 5 steps to verify it's me.I get why it did that - security and all that jazz. But a standard user would have dropped this like a hot potato.2/2
(DIR) Post #A3pTPo1aPopsnZ2mLg by cos@fosstodon.org
2021-02-01T11:59:08Z
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@kev Ok, never used the iOS element. You might want to convert your findings to issues at https://github.com/vector-im/element-ios so they'll get fixed eventually.
(DIR) Post #A3xJO8nl7BOxyXMkNM by ademalsasa@floss.social
2021-02-05T06:44:28Z
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@kev I've read this before and thanks Kev for sharing it.
(DIR) Post #A3xOxWaNB4WBe9nQWG by praveen@social.masto.host
2021-02-05T07:46:55Z
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@kevI don't think it is sustainable to have the entire world use a single organization's service. It is a big single point of failure. I recommend federated systems like #matrix or #xmpp where we have a choice of providers and no single point of failure. And for those who say it is not convenient, I suggest #Quicksy which is just a convenient on boarding hack built and interoperable with xmpp network. On boarding and usability of Quicksy is the same as #WhatsApp or #Signal, but no lock-in.
(DIR) Post #A3xP6D7GvwVLrzKIUa by praveen@social.masto.host
2021-02-05T07:48:34Z
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@kev Also see https://fsf.org.in/article/better-than-whatsapp for an in depth analysis.
(DIR) Post #A3xpCXhftxWEGW28MS by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-02-05T12:41:03Z
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@praveen the problem is with these services, is that even though they're federated, they have even fewer users than Telegram or Signal. So, even though they are federated, you're back to the original point of trying to get your friends and family to use this new service. Which most won't.
(DIR) Post #A3yGuOhFRolzppyC4e by praveen@social.masto.host
2021-02-05T17:51:26Z
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@kevYes, someone has to move first. Even for Telegram and Signal someone had to make the first move. This change would not have been possible if everyone said the same thing about WhatsApp when they moved to Telegram or Signal. The whole point of federation is that, you become free from the network effect if you want to change your provider. Quicksy is relatively new player here, though xmpp was always here.
(DIR) Post #A3yK7oK1mefgwECEQy by praveen@social.masto.host
2021-02-05T18:27:29Z
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@kevThe problem is with us not understanding the root cause. It was centralization that forced and still forcing so many people to stick to #WhatsApp. Both #Telegram and #Signal is centralized. It takes away our choices to move to better apps and services by locking us to a single provider. Times like these are an opening for us to teach people about this fundamental issue. But we are losing that opportunity if we settle with Telegram, Signal or other centralized services.
(DIR) Post #A3yQV4BWopRLaiqtyy by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-02-05T19:39:00Z
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@praveen something being ‘better’ is completely subjective. Many, many people outsider of tech would find decentralised serviced way too complicated and simply wouldn’t bother.
(DIR) Post #A3yhYbMZcO2Ua5I2gC by Mehrad@fosstodon.org
2021-02-05T21:55:57Z
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@praveen @kev tbh most Fediverse tools are far from user-friendly. Today a tech savvy friend tried to join us on Matrix via element.io and he struggled to get it working as the mobile app was buggy. He sent me screen recording of the bugs.I myself was repelled by Diaspora (poor 90’s vibe design). Imho the only viable Fediverse tools are mastodon & peertube. The rest (as much as I like them to take off and gain momentum) still are far from what common man is comfortable to use.
(DIR) Post #A3yhYbqLpfrI4RDp5s by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-02-05T22:50:04Z
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@Mehrad @praveen agreed.
(DIR) Post #A3zLFalNcXqHNvNpOi by praveen@social.masto.host
2021-02-06T06:14:48Z
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@kevThat is why I was focusing on #Quicksy. Those who don't want to think federation can see it as just like a centralized service and not bother about federation. But still others get benefitted by federation as they are not forced to use #Quicksy and can use any #xmpp service. There is absolutely no difference between Quicksy and Signal on boarding experience. Install app, enter you phone number, start talking to your contacts. How hard that it?
(DIR) Post #A3zTeZv8gpKze1NDc0 by praveen@social.masto.host
2021-02-06T06:30:39Z
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@MehradQuicksy is the best example of what can happen. People complained xmpp is complicated as people have to remember username, password, service provider hostname and can't find contacts easily. So #Quicksy was created with exact same user experience as centralized services, where you don't have to remember any of these and you can find contacts automatically from your phone book. That is the power of freedom, we can make it convenient eventually.@kev
(DIR) Post #A3zTeaS6iFi1IGnY00 by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-02-06T07:48:55Z
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@praveen @Mehrad doesn’t seem to be available on iOS, so it’s failed anyway. 😔If it’s not available everywhere, it isn’t as convenient as the competition.
(DIR) Post #A3zYqdtoDsuTEIK6nA by praveen@social.masto.host
2021-02-06T08:47:11Z
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@kevYes, for now. But anyone feeling strongly about iOS support can adapt any xmpp apps on iOS to support Quicksy sign up. There is also a less convenient option of linking a regular xmpp account to a phone number to allow Quicksy users to discover them. So iOS users can use Siskin IM, and add their xmpp id to Quicksy directory so Quicksy users will discover them. They lose the auto discovery and easy sign up, not interoperability.@Mehrad
(DIR) Post #A3zaeegTg7qM66V1ii by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-02-06T09:07:30Z
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@praveen @Mehrad this all brings me back to the original point - it is not as convenient as Signal, WhatsApp et al in any way.Many people have a phone/tablet as a primary/only device. If they can install an app, enter some signup details and click “go” it’s too complicated.
(DIR) Post #A3zam7ZkeuZNjJuh16 by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-02-06T09:08:34Z
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@praveen @Mehrad this all brings me back to the original point - it is not as convenient as Signal, WhatsApp et al in any way.Many people have a phone/tablet as a primary/only device. If they can’t install an app, enter some signup details and click “go” it’s too complicated.
(DIR) Post #A3zon4awcq6e8Jos6K by 0@mamot.fr
2021-02-06T11:45:37Z
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@kevThat's utter bollocks. The web is decentralised. Email is decentralised. The phone system is decentralised. I can see how incredibly unpopular those are.Please, engage your brain first, your mouth (or fingers) later if at all.@praveen
(DIR) Post #A3zqRZiSR996BvD6bg by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-02-06T12:04:25Z
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@0 wow. You might try taking your own advice and thinking about your messaging first, before coming across like a passive aggressive tool.The difference between service like Matrix et al and email/phones is that the latter has no barrier to entry. Even services like Mastodon, which are far less confusing to get started with, are too complicated for most non-techies.The fact is, my mum or friends could easily use Signal. Not true for decentralised services like Matrix.@praveen
(DIR) Post #A3zqVdhRZG4Jhkfr0q by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-02-06T12:05:01Z
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@0 the very fact that they’re decentralised makes them much more complicated to grasp and use.@praveen
(DIR) Post #A3zrtjjStFQpJofqGO by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-02-06T12:20:34Z
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@david @praveen @0 that’s cool. I’m gonna check it out.So if someone wants to “chat” with you, they just use your email address? Would those “chats” then appear in your standard inbox too?
(DIR) Post #A3zwVbivVwI9Iijg8G by 0@mamot.fr
2021-02-06T13:12:15Z
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@kev> my mum or friends could easily use Signal.I have not met your mum or your friends. 🙄Anyone who doesn't know how #computers work is effectively #illiterate and cannot possibly have a productive role in today's #society, the place of such people being reduced to that of passive #consumption.Trying to justify that or worse, promote it, evidences deep moral and intellectual flaws.Which is I welcome you and your twaddle to my #killfile. 👍@praveen
(DIR) Post #A402lsI0I3Vl2MHaq0 by praveen@social.masto.host
2021-02-06T14:22:29Z
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@kevYou can keep looking for excuses, like it is not yet in iOS. But building sustainable solution require some people to go first and build things out. This is true for #FreeSoftware as well. Many people chose to use and build Free Software when there were no ready replacements for every app. It was inconvenient at first, but the values it promoted made sure it got improved all the time. Same would be true for Quicksy.@Mehrad
(DIR) Post #A403fXcuIjkvAXbW2S by praveen@social.masto.host
2021-02-06T14:32:29Z
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@kevSo if lack of iOS client is the only draw back of #Quicksy, the solution is build that app. We can easily crowd fund if enough people understand and want it. The point is, we need enough people to value federation to be able to do that and that needs us to educate people and some people willing to jump in even if it is a bit inconvenient right now.@Mehrad
(DIR) Post #A404BkV9y38oMoL1iS by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-02-06T14:38:24Z
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@praveen @Mehrad it’s not an excuse, I t’s a reason. The difference here is, I’m not trying to push my rhetoric on you, whereas you are on me.I’m happy with signal and don’t see the advantage of using the services you describe over it. Why can’t we just leave it at that? Agree to disagree and move on.My opinion might change in the future, but for now I’m happy with Signal.
(DIR) Post #A406zuaqv7g43O32jA by praveen@social.masto.host
2021-02-06T15:09:49Z
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@kevThe point is, someone has to push for sustainable change. It is not always choose from what you have. But I'll leave this discussion here as you suggested. Let's agree to disagree and move on.@Mehrad
(DIR) Post #A408CrarU7qoT6nAPI by wyatwerp@fsmi.social
2021-02-06T15:04:46.475447Z
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@kev just so that your end of this important discussion is clear, you say that you don't see the advantages of decentralization and hence Signal's centralization of servers and of client apps is not a disadvantage. Yes?BTW, not arguing for quicksy; I don't see the point of abetting a central database capturing and linking consumer phone numbers & digitally-aware people's XMPP ID's (I hope such people register throw-away XMPP IDs).@praveen @Mehrad
(DIR) Post #A408CsCREPuOLeNAye by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-02-06T15:23:26Z
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@wyatwerp no. Not correct. I’m saying that the advantages of these services do not outweigh the disadvantages when compared to Signal FOR ME.The only advantage they have (from my perspective) is the decentralisation. When comparing this to signal, I’m not concerned about centralisation as they don’t have access to my messages anyway. There’s no change in the privacy risk.If signal were to change or disappear, I’d then look into it, but I’m happy where i am currently.@Mehrad @praveen
(DIR) Post #A40A1rzvqCkORgP7A0 by charims@social.pcwideopen.com
2021-02-06T15:44:10.253786Z
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@kev It's good to be happy where you are. Signal is a great service. I've been a longtime user, and it would probably take something pretty catastrophic for me to leave it completely. My biggest concerns with it are centralization, lack of open source (play store app doesn't seem to be the same codebase as the repo), unwillingness to publish to F-droid(APK on website is a horrible way to handle updates), and their aggressive stance toward third-party clients.I've been using matrix on my pinephone, laptop, and android, and so far im pretty happy with it, but my friends and family are all on signal. Signal doesn't support pinephone. So i setup a puppeting bridge for signal. Now i can message signal over matrix, which is pretty snazzy. Obviously this wouldn't work for people who are looking for simple solutions, but maybe someday, I can get the family moved over.I think the untold story for matrix is its interoperability with other services. Its not just either/or, you can bridge most anything with matrix. Granted, the matrix server implementations are still maturing, and its a little early to be recommending mass migrations IMO. Setting up and maintaining your own homeserver is not trivial. I'm an experienced IT Engineer, and its taken quite a bit of work to keep things stable using synapse.@wyatwerp @Mehrad @praveen
(DIR) Post #A455FKcTD4ZOzvpTiC by stevenroose@x0f.org
2021-02-09T00:44:06Z
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@0 @praveen I suppose what @kev meant to say was that *current* decentralized solutions are harder to use and therefore unpopular. Not that all decentralized solutions are by definition too complicated and unpopular.
(DIR) Post #A46AYjlybmUTRNJBfk by moparisthebest@moparisthe.best
2021-02-09T02:48:46.888338Z
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@kev @0 @praveen Quicksy is decentralized, explain how it's harder to use?
(DIR) Post #A46AYkMUQ1hJGcOLaK by praveen@social.masto.host
2021-02-09T12:12:17Z
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@moparisthebestPeople complain lack of client on iOS a deal breaker for them. iOS users have to use regular xmpp, so the on boarding experience is not as smooth as Quicksy. I asked siskin im developers if they can add support for Quicksy.@0
(DIR) Post #A46GksXGSDMnokbErw by senexpetrovic@friendica.feneas.org
2021-02-09T14:26:53Z
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At some point in history it was taught and documented that the earth was the center of the universe, we all know how it ended, without people like Galileo Galilei things would not change, BigTech is just corporatocracy, it is not about doing what others do, But what's right, and I just hope I live to see it fixed (sorry, too much caffeine)