Post A3qWiW5nnvtphpabEO by jamie@social.helios.red
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(DIR) Post #A3qWiVIAmSCVDuMxsG by celia@fosstodon.org
2021-02-01T13:23:20Z
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Disillusioned from static sites. What's a "traditional" architecture based, hack-able, blog-ready software I can experiment with?Must be capable of parsing Markdown at a minimum as my content store (markdown files) is not going to change.Maybe it's too much to ask for, but... 🤷♀️ #ssg #noxp
(DIR) Post #A3qWiVj7AHkeZSyTrs by bhart@fosstodon.org
2021-02-01T14:02:34Z
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@celia The only platform that consistently comes up against WP is ghost, but latest major version seems anemic and weird. Now that I think about it, I don't remember it using markdown either.I've looked for something a long time also. Actually giving dokuwiki another chance as a 'garden and stream' type of site. Save the wiki markup language (especially headings, ugh) I'm feeling good about it so far.
(DIR) Post #A3qWiW5nnvtphpabEO by jamie@social.helios.red
2021-02-01T14:16:35.732215Z
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@bhart @celia Ghost (at least the last time that I used it) can parse markdown text, but not read directly from Markdown files. Same with WordPress.I’m not sure there is anything that does. Most of the traditional ones have a database backend.
(DIR) Post #A3qWiWTYNctktUhZFg by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-02-02T00:10:46Z
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@jamie @bhart @celia I’m pretty sure I read somewhere that Ghost are kind of against the whole indieweb thing and won’t be supporting it. I’ll try and look the article up...
(DIR) Post #A3qX3Jye2ofaDCA6Ai by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-02-02T00:14:39Z
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@jamie @bhart @celia not quite as bad as I thought - https://indieweb.org/Ghost
(DIR) Post #A3qoCAV0Lqnwdw6PGi by tallblondeguy@fosstodon.org
2021-02-01T13:25:18Z
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@celia I see you were using Eleventy. What don't you like about it, or static sites in general? I was thinking about using it.
(DIR) Post #A3qoCAuWoxDlv62n3I by celia@fosstodon.org
2021-02-01T13:26:30Z
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@tallblondeguy Oh it's really nice generally - it's a pretty poor fit for #IndieWeb I think.I'll either move or boot parts of IndieWeb at some point. ™ Or maybe not. Kind of in a discovery phase right now.
(DIR) Post #A3qoCBLpBT3VHkoabA by tallblondeguy@fosstodon.org
2021-02-01T13:29:31Z
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@celia Why is it a poor fit for the indie web?I'm interested in this topic: I want the security/scalability/simplicity of a static page, but I also would love to be hooked into the fediverse, which is...definitely a competing goal.
(DIR) Post #A3qoCBh5uO4MLilZke by celia@fosstodon.org
2021-02-01T13:35:33Z
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@tallblondeguy I'm unhappy with the several-minutes long build times. Granted it's because I have lazy loading, responsive imgs, and other such plugins.#Indiekit is my #Micropub server, and it doesn't syndicate natively (coming soon).Webmentions don't show until next build. No moderation. I'm not happy with a static + JS mix here as I want everyone to see the same webmentions!If you're looking at fedi, I think ActivityPub is what you are interested in, not IndieWeb so much?
(DIR) Post #A3qoCC4qU54HXNsXlw by tallblondeguy@fosstodon.org
2021-02-01T13:36:04Z
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@celia Still learning my terms, I guess.Thanks for all of this!
(DIR) Post #A3qoCCPPFdVyZ9Uxou by celia@fosstodon.org
2021-02-01T13:36:47Z
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@tallblondeguy Someone mentioned write.as, I think that's a decent starting point for federation even though I don't quite like it myself so much yet. :)
(DIR) Post #A3qoCCkfyYWpd7RwyO by mike@fosstodon.org
2021-02-02T03:26:37Z
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@celia @tallblondeguy I found write.as too limiting, so I migrated everything over to Jekyll. I've been really liking it.
(DIR) Post #A3qoCDV7Btfvx9B2MC by celia@fosstodon.org
2021-02-01T13:35:55Z
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@tallblondeguy There are features I think a bit hard to build into an SSG itself.
(DIR) Post #A3qsJei8p3ACBg4Yt6 by celia@fosstodon.org
2021-02-02T04:12:53Z
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@kev @jamie @bhart Hmm... yeah not quite as bad!I took a look through my existing code yesterday, and I'm in absolutely no position to do a migration right now. But Ghost has been teasing me now and then. I wish the Indieweb tooling was more mature. I would have definitely loved to explore this.
(DIR) Post #A3quwKoavdFZgQf8Ea by hyde@lazybear.social
2021-02-02T04:42:33Z
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@celiaHugo ?
(DIR) Post #A3rMT67BImuqPUCf44 by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-02-02T09:50:43Z
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@celia > I wish the Indieweb tooling was more mature.That's exactly why I ended up ditching it. It's a fantastic concept, but it's just too much of a headache to keep track off.I'm currently playing around in Micro.blog, not sure if I'm going to sign up for a membership though, I'm stuggling to find the value add over Mastodon.@jamie @bhart
(DIR) Post #A3sbpJWlo7SoqmBS3k by binyamin@fosstodon.org
2021-02-03T00:17:32Z
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@kev @celia @jamie @bhart > it's just too much of a headache to keep track offI'd love to hear what you find troubling. I hardly think about my indieweb setup. It Just Works™. Granted, I don't do everything indieweb-possible, but that's the beauty of it. It's incremental.
(DIR) Post #A3tDFDMj2L4hZXhOZE by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-02-03T07:16:45Z
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@binyamin it’s not that I found it troubling as such, it’s just the amount of moving parts that make it (in my opinion) over-complicated and confusing. The webmention setup, a h-card, all the microformats markup, the indieAuth stuff. It’s a lot of extra “stuff” that basically amounts to comments on the front end.@celia @jamie @bhart
(DIR) Post #A3tVrLeEUQOzRGDlJo by uoya@soykaf.org
2021-02-03T08:17:38.875216Z
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@kev I vibe with this so much. It's super complicated!@binyamin @celia @jamie @bhart
(DIR) Post #A3tVrMEOJzKFFP8dg8 by jamie@social.helios.red
2021-02-03T08:47:59.657818Z
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@uoya Me too. I have most of it working, but it’s by far the bit of my site that I understand the least, there are far too many components and I never feel like I’m doing it ‘right’.@kev @bhart @binyamin @celia
(DIR) Post #A3tVrMfKhosOaxk9fk by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-02-03T10:45:13Z
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@jamie exactly. Luckily I never had any issues with it, but if I had, I'd have no clue where to start as the 'stack' is so complicated.@binyamin @celia @bhart @uoya
(DIR) Post #A3uMN60HNzL9nkzcJs by binyamin@fosstodon.org
2021-02-03T20:33:50Z
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@kev Why not only display webmentions? That doesn't really require upkeep. In fact, paired with webmention.io, it's basically just the "a" in JAMstack (API). I do agree that much of the indieweb stuff is overcomplicated. I like webmentions simply because it's easy comments without a database.@celia @jamie @bhart