Post A3Szcd8SC7w4TeoR16 by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
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(DIR) Post #A3MEouMUaJnaHNqmP2 by attilakinali@society.oftrolls.com
2021-01-18T08:46:32Z
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There is one good thing about 2020: Not once was I "randomly selected" at Frankfurt Airport. So less racism, I guess.
(DIR) Post #A3MEouX7wmJ0oMpGym by mansr@society.oftrolls.com
2021-01-18T09:28:45Z
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@attilakinali I've been randomly selected at FRA more often than not.
(DIR) Post #A3MEtg1TKArXFuIAjY by mansr@society.oftrolls.com
2021-01-18T09:29:37Z
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@attilakinali I've been randomly selected at FRA more often than not. Are trolls a race?
(DIR) Post #A3MPckPcqkhjRUih60 by attilakinali@society.oftrolls.com
2021-01-18T11:29:49Z
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@mansr Maybe. I don't know. I get "randomly" selected every time I fly out from FRA. About one time in ten I get the nice SSSS sticker on my boarding pass, meaning I'm eligible for extra thorough checks at every point in the process.
(DIR) Post #A3MZPOLWZxoema4VYe by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-18T13:19:29.484201Z
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@attilakinali @mansr convert to islam
(DIR) Post #A3Mi5jq3rNGvEi3gXo by attilakinali@society.oftrolls.com
2021-01-18T14:56:46Z
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@amerika Ah one of the freespeechextremists shows up! Nice!I have a question for you: What kind of instance is freespeechextremist.com? Is that a USian right-wing hide-out? I can't make heads or tails out of what comes in from that instance.And BTW: I'm a devout believer of the DCT.
(DIR) Post #A3MiR59HpBknPSEDgm by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-18T15:00:38.526695Z
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@attilakinali I think it's just a place for people who like free speech. Users tend to vary. Since Right-wingers are most discriminated against online, lots of us show up.
(DIR) Post #A3MifbId5NzXB3WOCe by 9zbVLJj7aZW1OP4Tiq.verita84@rage.lol
2021-01-18T15:02:39.242970Z
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@amerika @attilakinali You found another based-instance, Brett? :pepethink.png:
(DIR) Post #A3MirYMpoUe1YgBi8O by attilakinali@society.oftrolls.com
2021-01-18T15:05:24Z
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@amerika So it is a right-wing hideout. That explains the weird posts.And no, right-wingers are not discriminated against online. That least not in general. It's just the US social media that has this huge polarization, mirroring what's going on in the population in general, that makes a discourse impossible. And quite a bit of it because the loud right-wings on the net don't listen to anyone but themselves. At least, that's how I perceive it as a non-USian.
(DIR) Post #A3Mj2vF56aLDgmyyQa by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-18T15:07:28.843690Z
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@attilakinali It's not branded Right-wing or exclusively Right-wing.To the rest I say: "okai."
(DIR) Post #A3Mj4L4UYg9u5Qhl8i by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-18T15:07:44.209823Z
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@verita84 @attilakinali I'm rather fond of rage.lol of course
(DIR) Post #A3MkvW2GcmR7ORaJai by attilakinali@society.oftrolls.com
2021-01-18T15:28:32Z
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@amerika See, that's your problem. You don't even realize it's happening. Let me give you an example:You told me to convert to Islam in response to my complaint about FRA and its "random" checks. You have no idea who I am or where I come from. You don't know what I look like or what faith I believe in. You just assumed that I am a christian and probably also that I am white. Why did you assume that?
(DIR) Post #A3Ml99AeQqE8X90RTU by laurel@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-18T15:31:00.940746Z
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@attilakinali >hideoutIt's not FSE blocking other instances to not be hurt by the wrong-think though.>It's just the US social mediaNo it's not, in Europe the very same discrimination of opinion (i.e. double standards in moderation) also exists, and is generally even greater. Why do you think all the right wing servers are located in the US?Libshits are screaming, doxxing, whining, and inciting violence 24/7 no matter the country they live in and in your made up reality it is right-wingers who are loud.What is making discourse impossible is relying on blocking and banning to silence the opposition because your ideology dies without censorship.@amerika
(DIR) Post #A3Mlgkfs11siPAdHpQ by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-18T15:37:05.343499Z
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@attilakinali @amerika > I have a question for you: What kind of instance is freespeechextremist.com? Is that a USian right-wing hide-out? It is an anti-authoritarian instance run by an anarchist that doesn't think people ought to decide what other people can say.> I can't make heads or tails out of what comes in from that instance.That's probably because there's no such thing as "on-message" here. People are talking about what they want to talk about. There are people on FSE that don't even like freedom of speech!
(DIR) Post #A3MmNrykjWEfVn1brk by 9zbVLJj7aZW1OP4Tiq.verita84@rage.lol
2021-01-18T15:44:14.556734Z
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@p @attilakinali @amerika That is pretty authoritarian of you to decide for me that I can say anything đ
(DIR) Post #A3MmTAvxgcUNkPFWgy by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-18T15:45:50.341001Z
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@attilakinali You're misreading. I'm just gently trolling. The point is that, at least in airports in the West, converting to Islam would help nothing.If you want, I can re-post the message to say "become a national socialist." Feel better?
(DIR) Post #A3MmWPTu3WTXjafSMa by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-18T15:46:25.504215Z
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@laurel @attilakinali I agree. I like the "anarchy zone" nature of FSE. It's like the old internet, where Nazis rubbed shoulders with Rabbis and somehow we all got along enough to communicate.
(DIR) Post #A3MmmgXgOK1rHVCDq4 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-18T15:49:21.921945Z
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@verita84 @amerika @attilakinali I am an extremist and I will crash airplanes into buildings until you say your real opinions.binladen.gif
(DIR) Post #A3MnYecop3EhEeTJjs by attilakinali@society.oftrolls.com
2021-01-18T15:58:01Z
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@p @amerika Ah.. the perpetual freedom of speech argument. You are aware that USians put way too much emphasis on freedom of speech, to the point that they completely forget that freedom is the goal and not just freedom of speech. The US has one of the least free societies of any of the countries I've been in. By far! Because nobody ensures that people are actually able to act freely. Any attempt to do ensure this, is always being shot down as communism.
(DIR) Post #A3Mng9rn48VU9k3L8K by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-18T15:59:23.511208Z
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@attilakinali @p At the same time, shooting Communists always improves a society.
(DIR) Post #A3Mo83MkpPcI6SpywS by attilakinali@society.oftrolls.com
2021-01-18T16:04:24Z
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@amerika I can make the same argument for that: You assume something that is not true. The airports in Europe do not care about my faith. Or my political orientation. They don't know about it and don't want to know about it.Heck, most people I know don't care about that. I've only ever been asked about my religion on tax return forms and in the US (or by USians in Europe).... Oh, and some of my extended family who wanted to know what it is like to live in a country of gâvur.
(DIR) Post #A3MoEjPZPvrQF5L4oC by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-18T16:05:38.408235Z
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@attilakinali @amerika > You are aware that USians put way too much emphasis on freedom of speech, to the point that they completely forget that freedom is the goal and not just freedom of speech.Presumptuous to tell me what I think based on some impression you have of Americans.Freedom of speech is so tied to freedom of thought that they may as well be the same. Milton (not an American) said: "Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to conscience, above all liberties." If you cannot communicate or think freely, then you have lost all freedom.> Because nobody ensures that people are actually able to act freely. Any attempt to do ensure this, is always being shot down as communism.This is both vague and nonsensical. I do what I want.
(DIR) Post #A3MoRybKFo5V7I9YcC by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-18T16:08:02.029341Z
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@attilakinali That's too bad then. The joke fails.I got flagged many times for being a longhair.
(DIR) Post #A3Mpuh3oeEYl4GjipU by david@boltcarrier.group
2021-01-18T16:21:43.477995Z
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@attilakinali @p @amerika You seem to be confusing "freedom" with "free stuff."
(DIR) Post #A3MrPg3SXMjisbuL9k by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-18T16:41:14.003313Z
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@david @attilakinali @amerika Ah, that's Europe for you.
(DIR) Post #A3MwzDr9M6ejcSv1Mm by attilakinali@society.oftrolls.com
2021-01-18T17:43:37Z
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@amerika @p That's a tautology. Shooting people always improves a society, as you get rid of undesirables, matter what political coat they are wearing.
(DIR) Post #A3MxB78KB3J4F9cdxQ by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-18T17:45:49.894407Z
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@attilakinali @p Shooting people always improves a society? If you get the "undesirables."Shooting Communists always improves a society.There may be others you should shoot, as well. Sociopaths, neurotics, retards, schizoids, psychopaths, perverts, and other deleterious mutations must go.I prefer the penalty of exile. They will be fine in Venezuela.
(DIR) Post #A3MxCDxOICYjhE2Nzk by attilakinali@society.oftrolls.com
2021-01-18T17:46:01Z
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@p @amerika It's neither vague no non-sensical. If I have to work 3 jobs to feed my family and hope that nobody gets ill or I'll end up in a ton of debt, that's not freedom. If I can't quit my job because I'd lose my health care which I desperately need because I have a weak kidney, that's not freedom.I'd rather be poor in Europe (any west European country, really), then middle class in the US. There is much more freedom if you can do things without indentured slavery.
(DIR) Post #A3MxmQkwBPXNoiTdlg by attilakinali@society.oftrolls.com
2021-01-18T17:52:33Z
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@p @amerika Or to give you another example: The average university student (i.e. people who have only ever had the odd job between classes) in Germany have more money on their bank account than 50% of the US population. They don't have to pay tuition or need to worry about healthcare. They can travel freely when time permits and see the world. Things a damn lot of people in the US can only dream of. I could go on with many such examples. Is this the freedom you are so proud of?
(DIR) Post #A3MxswMnZIHJaqI4ES by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-18T17:53:45.124981Z
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@p @david @attilakinali Sadly, both the USA and Europe are market socialist at this time.
(DIR) Post #A3MydqRzNmJSr35H3Q by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-18T18:02:13.737888Z
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@attilakinali @p With a non-socialist economy, you pay less for a lot of things, including medical care.When you take out the diversity/anti-poverty taxes, life in the USA is quite good."Freedom" is something else. It means the ability to act according to your will, so long as it does not wreck others or civilization.Europe is, like the US, circling the drain because of the high cost of benefits, which have drained its ability to provide infrastructure.
(DIR) Post #A3N1YIwepKYhM1Tk8m by andreas@neckbeard.xyz
2021-01-18T18:34:50.257200Z
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@attilakinali @p @amerika being of the lower class, middle class or upper class defeats the purpose of living.
(DIR) Post #A3N5dWQaWdZUR1DorQ by judgedread@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-18T19:20:36.344164Z
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@p @attilakinali When FSE had about 600 users I had blocked 200 of them... so yeah, we are not all on the same page.
(DIR) Post #A3N9lgwdhu13BaMfnE by attilakinali@society.oftrolls.com
2021-01-18T20:06:53Z
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@amerika @p Divine Copulating Bovines! You were serious about shooting communists!So, you live by the mantra of freedom as long as nobody else is affected. But you only mean it for yourself. As long as you are allowed to do whatever you want and nobody else affects you.... As someone who studied psychology, I can tell you there is an entry in DSM-VI for people like you (in the sociopath/psychopath spectrum). You should seek help. Now.
(DIR) Post #A3NAfMTF15cNu39wEC by attilakinali@society.oftrolls.com
2021-01-18T20:16:57Z
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@judgedread @p So you aren't actually about free speech?
(DIR) Post #A3NOHVTBJ0IeDmeOpc by judgedread@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-18T22:49:31.257833Z
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@attilakinali @p They can speak, I just don't want to read it.
(DIR) Post #A3O4X3ECGsgLL6jiue by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-19T06:42:56.554001Z
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@attilakinali @amerika> If I have to work 3 jobs to feed my family and hope that nobody gets ill or I'll end up in a ton of debt, that's not freedom.No, because that (fictitious) situation is unrelated to freedom. On the other hand, it's certainly not freedom if you live in Europe and can't speak your mind or own a gun. This is something most Europeans fail to grasp. "Why do you want a gun, who are you going to shoot?" That's a small-minded question, the real question is "Who has the right to decide?" The answer to that is the same as the answer to "Who is your master?" You were born a subject and your presumption is that someone has the right to tell you what you can do. The same goes for what you're "allowed" to say. You're happy to discard your humanity and adopt a life of subservience as long as your master feeds you. That's fine, you're free to do so if you like.I have a dog and a couple of cats. They've never gone hungry, and if the dog chases a squirrel or the cat eats a hummingbird or a spider, it's for fun. Their material needs are always met, they never have to pay for their food, medical care, housing, even entertainment. But I own them. They're not free. I decide what they eat and when, whether they need to go to the doctor, whether they need to be neutered or even euthanized. They live comfortable lives and I make sure they're happy and healthy. But the three-legged stray cat outside is free. If I tried to bring her inside, she'd probably escape: she'll take her chances with the coyotes rather than accept a master. No one has a more comfortable life than a calf destined to become veal, but I don't want that life. You can choose the life of a fattened calf and you can pretend to be smug about it, but how cheap your soul must be if you'll accept a master, not even for wealth but merely for enough to live in relative comfort. People will pay nearly anything to hire a competent defense attorney, just to maximize their chances at preserving their own freedom, you ought to understand that: what good is money without liberty? You don't have to accept responsibility for yourself, but it is somewhat pathetic that you can't even understand "Libertas inaestimabilis res est." (The Corpus Juris Civilis was also not written in America.) I think you understand it, despite what you say.> The average university student (i.e. people who have only ever had the odd job between classes) in Germany have more money on their bank account than 50% of the US population.If we take it as a given (it's dubious, but I'll roll with it), then sure: Germany has subjugated Europe (again), it makes sense that Germans would have an easier time. This certainly isn't the case for the average Greek. But you're confused if you're conflating the average citizen with someone that is 20, has no children or house or other responsibilities, and is doing well enough to go to the university to begin with (that is, above median intelligence, which is heritable, so odds are very good that they came from a family with above median income). Misleading, you ought to know that. It's the target of advertising in every country, because at that age, almost all of your income is disposable and you have less self-restraint.This country was born poor, but free. We prospered and we're still doing well, but whether or not that continues, we won't accept subjugation.> Is this the freedom you are so proud of?Absolutely."He is a king and not a slave that does what he wants." That's da Vinci (also not an American). That's freedom.Through countless generations, humans have chosen to live miserable lives or to die violently just to ensure that their children are free of subjugation. It's true that freedom is a thing beyond all price. That is an unlimited source of pride: we're human, we think and feel and decide. Animals understand contentment and suffering, but liberty is a human concept. Even you ought to understand it, since you're here, not a serf on Twitter.
(DIR) Post #A3O4uc80gApkF04ubg by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-19T06:47:12.064163Z
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@amerika @attilakinali @david For now. I don't think it's tenable.
(DIR) Post #A3O56aF5W5NXrp62ee by fluffy@social.handholding.io
2021-01-19T06:49:21.031816Z
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@p @attilakinali @amerika playing the vassal is a legitimate strategy
(DIR) Post #A3O5SudkMJS5V5HHEm by histoire@neckbeard.xyz
2021-01-19T06:53:23.340578Z
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@fluffy @p @amerika @attilakinali He who hunts monstersThere's a difference between playing and being
(DIR) Post #A3O5chkp7gmWQoG02a by fluffy@social.handholding.io
2021-01-19T06:55:01.951166Z
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@histoire @amerika @attilakinali @p it's been so long since i heard someone talk in american
(DIR) Post #A3O5j5KcNN7FID2fAm by histoire@neckbeard.xyz
2021-01-19T06:56:18.785009Z
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@fluffy @amerika @attilakinali @p I'll talk American to you any time you want bb
(DIR) Post #A3O6Jo2xbSweOpIDHE by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-19T07:02:57.471141Z
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@judgedread @attilakinali I'd be surprised if you could find two people on this server that are in agreement on 90% of their personal platforms. (Although I may be falling victim to the Birthday Problem.)
(DIR) Post #A3O7VhMsMPpF7AqIoy by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-19T07:16:18.793108Z
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@attilakinali @amerika > As long as you are allowed to do whatever you want and nobody else affects you....I can't speak for @amerika (though he's written extensively if you care to find out what he's getting at), but I don't take orders from strangers. I'll help a stranger if I can, but I've got no personal relationships with politicians and I won't take orders. Friends and family are another matter, I have a relationship with these people. I'm happy to extend the same courtesy to others: I have no interest in controlling strangers, I just want to make things.> As someone who studied psychology, I can tell you there is an entry in DSM-VI for people like you (in the sociopath/psychopath spectrum).Did you mean "DSM-IV" or "DSM-V"?> You should seek help. Now.I don't think he's a psychopath, he's a cool guy, but one of the main attributes of psychopaths is that they don't tend to need help, they get by just fine by exploiting the rest of us, and they don't tend to agree that they need help because they believe we're the broken ones. Homo homini lupus est, just don't let one of them get too close to your own purse-strings and you'll be fine. Unfortunately, they seem to be overrepresented among politicians and the top of the finance food-chains, so a hardcore statist like you will have more difficulty than an American in dealing with this.
(DIR) Post #A3O7q929D4fUi4teYS by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-19T07:20:00.499522Z
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@attilakinali @judgedread The ToS doesn't require that anyone here believe anything, including freedom of speech.
(DIR) Post #A3Od5cgyJtJBcIquwK by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-19T13:10:09.680853Z
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@fluffy @amerika @attilakinali A vassal trades loyalty for protection; it's quid pro quo. Different from subjugation.
(DIR) Post #A3Oe6Ok3luKwawEL68 by sex@neckbeard.xyz
2021-01-19T13:21:30.089235Z
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@p @attilakinali @amerika "free" yet still bound by a master which taxes you. "free" yet still bound by your economic situation determining what you eat, where you live, and what healthcare you receive. americans and their freedoms.
(DIR) Post #A3OemfAv40a1iwwmi8 by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-19T13:29:08.690348Z
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@p @attilakinali Another way to put it: in America, we prioritize having options over having certainty. Coming from a pioneer society, we know that there is no certainty.Europe took a different path through the French Revolution and has ended up in love with the Total State, which America did not embrace until much later in 1866.
(DIR) Post #A3Of25qSBhqGmbjSAy by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-19T13:31:56.002353Z
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@p @attilakinali Thanks, @p. Liberty means that we have no obligation to others; that saves us from having to help the bad as well as the good. It is our choice who to help, including our families (some have terrible families, very sad).Also I think we should look at the difference between sociopath and psychopath here.Psychopaths are people caught up in a delusional pathology, e.g. baristas who think they are Napoleon (Reddit).Sociopath is someone who has no concern or awareness of the sensations, emotions, and well-being of others.I am probably a benevolent sociopath. Humans are useful in that they help remove dead limbs from trees.
(DIR) Post #A3OimDfliUlmF9Q8dE by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-19T14:13:53.016706Z
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@sex @amerika @attilakinali Well, last I checked nobody but me decides what I eat and where I live and what healthcare I receive. As far as taxation, this is something that you have to deal with for above-ground transactions in cases where you don't know how to avoid it. (This is called "tax evasion" if we plebs do it, "taking advantage of loopholes" if a political rival does it, and "minimizing your effective tax rate" if you're talking to your accountant.)Brother, do you have a moment to talk about agorism?
(DIR) Post #A3Ojb1hRzVn1sYQxaC by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-19T14:23:03.896957Z
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@amerika @attilakinali > Psychopaths are people caught up in a delusional pathology, e.g. baristas who think they are Napoleon (Reddit).That's the colloquial definition, but if we're talking psychology, Hare defined it; an unintelligent psychopath might be a barista that thinks he's Napoleon (grandiosity is a symptom) but an intelligent and charming enough one will run a state or an investment firm or a PAC or a cult. Kissinger's a psychopath.
(DIR) Post #A3Ol2Usvgnu0ATSx5k by melmc@melmc.nohost.me
2021-01-19T14:39:13.600824Z
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@p @sex @amerika @attilakinali Or "defending against theft by Leviathan" if a liberty-minded patriot does it.
(DIR) Post #A3Om7Jh8ozAereoXPU by petit@social.ufeff.club
2021-01-19T14:51:17.675892Z
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@attilakinali @amerika "So it is a right-wing hideout." Imagine being this vindictive and paranoid.
(DIR) Post #A3OmFRbZIOBHiK5ChE by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-19T14:52:46.892744Z
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@petit @attilakinali Yep. They keep sort of illustrating the point about Leftism creating a tendency toward solipsism.
(DIR) Post #A3OmXiG879F0Zvla52 by petit@social.ufeff.club
2021-01-19T14:56:04.306537Z
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@p @attilakinali @amerika The pet metaphor was really nice.
(DIR) Post #A3Omga3NzXqbjg2AZk by charliebrownau@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-19T14:57:41.098264Z
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@amerika @petit @attilakinali Why isnt the Federal State, National Taxation, Overseas 'aid' and Welfare benfits considered SOCIALSIM on the 'right'Both Centre, Left and RIGHT WING are all statismAll support taxationAll support transfering authority and agency over to the STATE
(DIR) Post #A3Omh4P39Z0BrYOtVY by petit@social.ufeff.club
2021-01-19T14:57:45.761548Z
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@attilakinali @judgedread @p There's no conflict between free speech and *self* censorship.
(DIR) Post #A3OoTEs7rKeBm7SC6C by petit@social.ufeff.club
2021-01-19T15:17:40.144906Z
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@charliebrownau @amerika @attilakinali The terms 'left' and 'right' are meaningless and only serve as a shorthand for partisan tribalism. A "left wing" anarchist can scream about how the left is anti-authoritarian until they're blue in the face. A "right wing" anarchist can scream about how the right is anti-authoritarian until they're red in the face. Entering a conversation with the terms 'left' and 'right' can only lower the quality of discourse.
(DIR) Post #A3Oof5q5GkjpEd9RSa by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-19T15:19:49.610052Z
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@melmc @amerika @attilakinali @sexstate.jpg
(DIR) Post #A3OofQukuZx8bCUy9o by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-19T15:19:53.300928Z
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@petit @charliebrownau @attilakinali I disagree. Left means egalitarian, Right means order.
(DIR) Post #A3Op4fwIBe4sRAFnKS by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-19T15:24:27.001683Z
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@petit @amerika @attilakinali A surplus of direct parallels, I think.
(DIR) Post #A3Op9ph7LQ4s8lcC6S by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-19T15:25:22.946059Z
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@petit @attilakinali @judgedread Indeed; it's about deciding on someone else's behalf rather than deciding only for yourself.
(DIR) Post #A3OpwszLsyZYXwXCDo by petit@social.ufeff.club
2021-01-19T15:34:14.200215Z
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@amerika @attilakinali @charliebrownau How does that make sense? Egalitarian and order aren't antonyms. (They're not even the same part of speech. Unless you're using egalitarian as a noun, but that's an individual being compared to 'order', an abstract idea. That also seems mismatched. Maybe 'egalitarianism'? Either way, they still don't oppose one another.) You can have ordered egalitarianism.
(DIR) Post #A3Oq9mVZI65uDEkhrk by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-19T15:36:34.681604Z
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@petit @attilakinali @charliebrownau > Egalitarian and order aren't antonyms.Record scratch. Hol' up...Let's just look at that one.Anarchy isn't order. Egalitarianism is anarchy lite.
(DIR) Post #A3OwJcWl2tQS8X6pxA by judgedread@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-19T16:45:35.186624Z
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@p Most of the former Gab users are 'Trump-aligned right wing' to some degree or another.But not all. A few Dark Gab types turned out to be antifa.
(DIR) Post #A3OxUteHpRoqNSZUum by petit@social.ufeff.club
2021-01-19T16:58:49.130981Z
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@amerika @attilakinali @charliebrownau Egalitarian and order still aren't antonyms. 'right' and 'left' are still bad terms.Anarchy and order are not disjoint. Anarchy is not lack of order; it is lack of leaders. All approaches to anarchy focus on a means to ensure order without leaders. Anarcho-capitalists attempt to ensure order with markets. Anarcho-syndicalists attempt to ensure order with mutalism (It's more nuanced than that, but that's the gist.). Anarchy does not preclude order; anarchy *is* order in the absence of leaders.Who would call a 'right wing' politician deregulating business to support free market innovation a proponent of order?Who would call a 'left wing' politician encouraging the censorship and suppression of certain individuals and political groups a proponent of egalitarianism?Unlike the words 'left' and 'right', 'left' and 'right' partisans are not in complete opposition. They share agreements and disagreements. "When you're being stepped on, you don't care if the foot is left or right." Trying to package politics into 'left' and 'right' reduces political complexities into a single option, restricts the scope of discussion to partisan disagreements ("teaching the controversy"), and lowers discourse by focusing on nebulous terms and brinkmanship. There is no reason to use 'right' and 'left'; their usage is counterproductive to political success. There is no politomachy between 'right' and 'left'.
(DIR) Post #A3Oy39BKaGhWOjMMfQ by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-19T17:05:01.155565Z
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@judgedread ...Folk? :nixonsmug:
(DIR) Post #A3Ozi1dXdmxkpBbx7w by denza252@shitposter.club
2021-01-19T17:23:36.529992Z
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@attilakinali @p @amerika Speaking as someone from a US middle class family, I gotta say you're full of shit. I've lived without want all my life. The work tied healthcare bullshit is a product of the socialist FDR era, if I recall correctly, as opposed to some grand capitalist scheme. "Indentured slavery" my ass, my father as a high-skilled worker pretty much has his choice of employment, and no medical debt (or any other "involuntary" debt) to speak of. Perhaps you're thinking of the poor here?
(DIR) Post #A3OzyEHeO5bagK6A2C by denza252@shitposter.club
2021-01-19T17:26:31.428151Z
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@attilakinali @p @amerika I mean I'm just a college student who's mainly worked a minimum wage job for a while, and I was able to pay tuition and get myself all sorts of random crap before taking a trip abroad on my own dollar.Why don't you go and throw a brick through a window or pay a 40% VAT or wait months in a line for a regular doctor's visit or whatever it is you europoors do
(DIR) Post #A3P830yk58FkUx2ykC by ThreeOneThreeChris@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-19T18:57:02.725108Z
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@p @judgedread Blitz
(DIR) Post #A3P8LLpVITRsNYT9hQ by 11112011@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-19T19:00:21.563867Z
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@ThreeOneThreeChris @p @judgedread no mercy for a stranger for blufin in my set, tupac, cry moar
(DIR) Post #A3PNErZeNAT87LPzOK by judgedread@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-19T21:47:15.737351Z
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@p Folk was a wignat. Blitz is antifa. Come to think of it... just one antifa.
(DIR) Post #A3PNISW9TRAnZ4UqOm by 11112011@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-19T21:47:54.729767Z
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@judgedread @pimagem.png
(DIR) Post #A3PPLP7UlLGDnuUnEe by attilakinali@society.oftrolls.com
2021-01-19T22:10:49Z
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@denza252 @amerika @p I spend the last two years in and out of hospitals, died almost twice. How much did it cost me? Zero. How much did I wait? Probably 4 weeks in total as some of the check-ups couldn't be scheduled when I wanted to, because the instruments were completely booked for the rest of the week. Did I had to take any unpaid leave because I used up my sick days? No.As for VAT, 25% is the highest in Europe. Where I live it's 20% and most of stuff is still cheaper than in the US.
(DIR) Post #A3PPntVfMpvCAHO25o by attilakinali@society.oftrolls.com
2021-01-19T22:15:59Z
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@denza252 @amerika @p And before you ask how I know all this: As a PhD student, I travel quite a lot (on average, I spend 4 months per year in hotels). Quite a bit of this time in the US.The poverty and inhumane treatment of homeless people I have seen in the US is the worst I have seen anywhere. And I have been in a lot of countries, both rich and poor. The US middle class has less free money than poor people in Germany or France have (just google for it), despite the high VAT and income tax.
(DIR) Post #A3PUqXAdNcjPWKcwU4 by isol8@pieville.net
2021-01-19T23:12:29Z
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@p @amerika @melmc @sex @attilakinali ashli babbit memes FTW
(DIR) Post #A3PfLDa1GZY1HQlqvQ by melmc@melmc.nohost.me
2021-01-20T01:10:05.701931Z
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@attilakinali @p @amerika Attila. It looks like you're happy in Europe. Good for you. Stay there. I think we're probably better off in America without you here looking down your nose at us.
(DIR) Post #A3PgJinWKQ7rTWw6Eq by attilakinali@society.oftrolls.com
2021-01-20T01:21:01Z
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@melmc @amerika @p I only look down on you because you constantly proclaim to be the best country in the world with the most freedom. Neither of which is true.And don't worry. I will end up living in the US, at least for some time. Comes with the profession.
(DIR) Post #A3PhuGqdJ94RSXNrN2 by SirFahrenheit@noagendasocial.com
2021-01-20T01:38:50Z
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@p @amerika @petit @attilakinali this thread reminds me of what Larken Rose says when he argues, "you should be free!" only to get the reply, "no I shouldn't!"
(DIR) Post #A3PueUuuWxrzreC56u by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-20T04:01:39.560300Z
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@ThreeOneThreeChris @judgedread :xismug:
(DIR) Post #A3SisSj4xuUHbduJE0 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-21T12:33:51.496944Z
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@judgedread I thought the joke was obvious.
(DIR) Post #A3SkKZtC1hH7subm9w by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-21T12:50:08.669295Z
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@attilakinali @denza252 @amerika > As a PhD student, I travel quite a lot (on average, I spend 4 months per year in hotels).Well, then, no surprise. People insulated from the real world and with enough money (either their own money or other people's money) to spend four months of the year traveling aren't expected to understand, economics, poverty, the value of freedom, or the value of anything, for that matter. Malta's relatively well-to-do (thanks to its status as a tax shelter for the places you criticize). Perhaps you ought to clean your own house first.> The poverty and inhumane treatment of homeless people I have seen in the US is the worst I have seen anywhere.I suppose you haven't been to India....Or Russia....Or China, come to think of it.But anyway, I haven't seen anything like that. In this country, we have an obesity epidemic among the homeless people. If it bothers you, send them some money. I don't know if you're familiar with the term "intervention resistant", but that's the majority of the chronically homeless here. (I say "chronically" because the vast majority of homeless are homeless for fewer than six months. No shame roughing it for a little while.) Where Europe has a tendency to round these people up and put them into camps or asylums against their will, we've got protections against involuntary imprisonment of someone that is crazy but not a criminal.
(DIR) Post #A3Sl298qplgffdhv3g by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-21T12:58:01.109565Z
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@isol8 @amerika @melmc @sex @attilakinali That image is from December, that's not Ashli Babbit.
(DIR) Post #A3SlTAfNH1xUDYo2ng by RobertCardwell@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-21T13:02:54.154057Z
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@attilakinali @melmc @amerika @p It never ceases to amaze me that there are people who want to be close to those they claim to despise and, indeed, stick to them like burrs.
(DIR) Post #A3SmYh2URJhG1Robzc by sex@neckbeard.xyz
2021-01-21T13:15:16.635985Z
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@isol8 @p @amerika @melmc @attilakinali im sure chud
(DIR) Post #A3SmcUcmXTMMg3bPge by sex@neckbeard.xyz
2021-01-21T13:15:57.763809Z
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@p @isol8 @amerika @attilakinali @melmc ashli "one black cock, under all" babbit
(DIR) Post #A3SnPHhfMtfWnC9Wm8 by david@boltcarrier.group
2021-01-21T13:21:56.071857Z
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@p @attilakinali @amerika @denza252 the most morbidly obese people I've ever seen have been homeless. In one of the most blue cities in the country.
(DIR) Post #A3SonVE4qIV3dXQNrk by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-21T13:40:11.524415Z
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@attilakinali @melmc @amerika > I only look down on you because you constantly proclaim to be the best country in the world with the most freedom. Neither of which is true.Of course. You start off whining that freedom of speech is terrible, but this is the real reason. People like their home and have different values from yours, and this is the worst thing from your perspective. Luckily, for us, we're a very tolerant nation, or we might have gotten irritated by now at Europe spending 245 years looking down their noses at us. That's something Patrice O'Neal (philosopher and genius) discussed:
(DIR) Post #A3SqCEmNEDqxozpCL2 by Agni@bakabakufu.nsfw.cafe
2021-01-21T13:56:01.260192Z
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@attilakinali @denza252 @amerika @p >The poverty and inhumane treatment of homeless people I have seen in the US is the worst I have seen anywhere.Sounds like you're not all that well travelled after all.>The US middle class has less free money than poor people in Germany or France haveWhat the actual fuck are you even talking about? The United States is #1 in the world for ppp adjusted mean disposable income, #3 in the world for ppp adjusted median personal disposable income.12% of Americans live below the poverty line. In Germany it's almost 17%.The US has an inequality-adjusted HDI of 0.808. Germany's is 0.869, marginally better. Meanwhile Italy's is 0.783, Portugal's 0.761, Bulgaria's 0.721.Please don't come here smug yuropoor retard, we have enough people living off the taxpayer as is, leech off your own utopian state where freedom is apparently defined by how much "free" shit you're dependent on the state for. Lmao.
(DIR) Post #A3SqJ2hKXqZ2NYi848 by david@boltcarrier.group
2021-01-21T13:54:25.251116Z
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@attilakinali @melmc @amerika @p Do you think pre-agricultural humans were free? Or were they enslaved because they had to work hard to survive and didn't have Healthcare (because it didn't exist?)
(DIR) Post #A3Sqj61in5ToETfiZE by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-21T14:01:48.344512Z
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@david @attilakinali @melmc @p My readings say they worked about six hours a day total and lazed around the rest of the time.They had few things, but few questions, either.
(DIR) Post #A3SquvMeG8ksde6HS4 by Orakel@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-21T14:03:56.604599Z
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@david @attilakinali @amerika @melmc @p I love this question. We exchanged real freedom for some safety with agriculture.It surprises me when other people who say they want "freedom." I think they aren't really aware of what that would entail. They, like communists, want freedom from the consequences of that "freedom."Cog dis? I can't tell. As for socialized medicine, I say no thank you. I will pay for my own poor decisions (bad health,) or my ancestors (poor dna,) myself, and want others to do the same. It's best.
(DIR) Post #A3SrDeYqxPMc1hjvA8 by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-21T14:07:19.692129Z
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@Orakel @david @attilakinali @melmc @p I also do not want insurance ever in charge of my health.Unlike most here, I do not believe in freedom at all.However, I also do not believe in control.The price of escaping control is natural selection. That is, some will make dumb decisions and die.Then again, I think about the guy who found the hand grenade in his garage, pulled the pin, released the spoon, and then stared at it for 2.9 seconds.Life is like that.
(DIR) Post #A3SrGtvqGWBQZD2cOu by Ricotta@yggdrasil.social
2021-01-21T14:08:04.873854Z
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@david @attilakinali @amerika @melmc @p The agricultural revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
(DIR) Post #A3SrSuGopj2D5iZsOG by david@boltcarrier.group
2021-01-21T14:07:24.554469Z
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@Orakel @amerika @attilakinali @melmc @p whether the agricultural revolution improved the lives of human beings is highly debatable. But even if it did, the trade was a comparatively small amount of freedom for a smaller chance of starving to death. Nowadays, we trade significant amounts of freedom for smaller and smaller amounts of convenience, if that. Despite the fact that modern life is already so convenient its literally killing us (obesity.)
(DIR) Post #A3SriBD08ffhy74hPs by Orakel@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-21T14:12:50.709540Z
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@amerika @attilakinali @david @melmc @p It shocked my system when I realized what these people are really "resisting" is nature, itself. God, if you consider him/it the maker of all things. It shocks me. And it comes from people who claim to love and care about nature "more."It shocks me that people can carry both sets of values in their head. Not liking nature because HARD TO LIVE, and claiming to love it more, because RECYCLING instead of living sustainably.
(DIR) Post #A3SrmHaWMXPKuc24LA by Orakel@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-21T14:13:35.199436Z
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@david @amerika @attilakinali @melmc @p We purchase our slavery a little bit at a time.
(DIR) Post #A3SsosrKrNYh2XhY5A by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-21T14:25:15.704733Z
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@Orakel @david @attilakinali @melmc @p Remove diversity and anti-poverty, and most of the problem goes away.
(DIR) Post #A3SssfjJcHmBTikxhw by Orakel@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-21T14:25:56.784833Z
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@amerika @attilakinali @david @melmc @p "Restore sanity and most of the problem goes away." =)
(DIR) Post #A3SswGYNAEWeYMLs6y by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-21T14:26:35.754905Z
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@Orakel @attilakinali @david @melmc @p It reminds me of something they said at an animal rescue once: it's easy to get donations for "cute" animals, but lizards and snakes are not cute.People want to see nature in a box, controlled by humans, with all of the scary stuff removed.They do not want to accept that the scary stuff is necessary for not just the good stuff, but the overall function, which is what enables the good to exist.That is the transcendental vision, and they reject it with both feet kicking like a four-year-old's tantrum.
(DIR) Post #A3St6ioOxENT5ipp3o by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-21T14:28:29.133951Z
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@david @Orakel @attilakinali @melmc @p My take on it: things have arcs, or rather cycles composed of two arcs, a growth curve and death curve.Everything is good in a certain amount but becoms parasitic once it hits the death curve.For example, vaccines. They are really good for some things (smallpox, polio) but terrible when more widely applied (measles, AIDS, COVID).At some point, people start trusting our inventions to be magic, and apply them in places that they should not be applied, because to do otherwise would provoke fear in the herd.
(DIR) Post #A3St7eUuTrFU04A4jQ by Orakel@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-21T14:28:39.222356Z
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@amerika @attilakinali @david @melmc @p *This* on a poster that people are required to read, out loud, before entering a grocery store or mall.
(DIR) Post #A3St9oxwWy5p2um9aa by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-21T14:29:02.740784Z
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@Orakel @attilakinali @david @melmc @p Probably the best satire of me ever written. "Yeah guys just stop being insane and it'll all be OK." LOL
(DIR) Post #A3StJ5b83wUzEfWYMK by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-21T14:30:43.238660Z
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@Orakel @attilakinali @david @melmc @p I remember the first time I saw a coral snake I was pretty much struck by the hand of God.Everyone else was afraid, but... but... LOOK at it.Wow. What a peerless, genius beauty.Yes, it can kill you. If you pick it up, it will bite the arm. Like just about every other creature, including the cute ones.
(DIR) Post #A3StP92OBe7fdoA7Pc by Orakel@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-21T14:31:48.904104Z
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@amerika @attilakinali @david @melmc @p It always occurs to me that blacks are fine, in Africa, living how they wanted, without us. Same for that tribe in the Amazon that can only count to four. They're fine. We didn't need to improve them at a pace that seems comely to us.Everything was fine, and I like people, until they start resisting nature instead of working with it.
(DIR) Post #A3StmVjLysrmgNOsPg by Orakel@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-21T14:36:02.275889Z
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@amerika @attilakinali @david @melmc @p That's my feeling with the big cats and bears and stuff. Just awesome, absolutely as they are. I like that they're dangerous, and I like having them out there, able to kill me if they can. Rattlesnakes are terrifying, and I like having to respect nature, tread lightly, and pay attention. It makes me happy in the way that Antifa must feel when they off another WhiteMaleSupremist Trump supporter. It puts limits on my behavior, which is GOOD to me. I like boundaries. When you take them away, people go insane.
(DIR) Post #A3SwRta0Pm8WQltCSG by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-21T15:05:55.634955Z
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@david @amerika @attilakinali @denza252 I blame corn subsidies, but there's a lot of stuff I blame the farm lobby for.(Incidentally, they're the reason water is fluoridated. Mining phosphate for fertilizer leaves fluoride as a byproduct, the companies doing so were just dumping the fluoride in the rivers. So it starts to become a problem and the government makes them dispose of it in a safer manner--dumping a massive amount of almost anything in the river will kill the fish--and some absolute genius figures out that if he could stop paying to dispose of the fluoride, and in fact *sell* the fluoride to every municipality in the country, then he could also have the cheapest phosphate. The farm lobby *loves* cheaper fertilizer.)
(DIR) Post #A3SwhOtOHFeTtBLkae by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-21T15:08:43.765340Z
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@p @david @attilakinali @denza252 I tend to be against subsidies in any form. The real problem here is one of internationalism. If it is cheaper to make food abroad, it will all go abroad, and then we have a national security issue with our food supply. Better to simply slam high tariffs on all imports; my plan was always to make this a flexible number based on cost of production differentials between us and them.Now that farming is mostly corporate, of course, the subsidies seem obsolete. What farmers really need is freedom from property tax.
(DIR) Post #A3SxG96exe8R467lK4 by JohnGritt@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-21T15:15:00.530883Z
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@amerika @p @attilakinali @david @denza252 Tariffs? Like everything else, most do not understand comparative advantage, especially PhDs in economics.See my work:[NAFTA? CANADIANS SHOULD PAY A 15.5% TARIFF FOR EXPORTS INTO THE USA. THE WORLD SHOULD PAY MUCH MORE.](http://truedollarjournal.blogspot.com/2017/10/nafta-canadians-should-pay-155-tariff.html)
(DIR) Post #A3SxwGYbeKtsKsHRse by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-21T15:22:37.261727Z
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@JohnGritt @attilakinali @david @denza252 @p It only makes sense to equalize the cost curve, correcting a market distortion created by the bell curve.
(DIR) Post #A3SyCl9TfPeFrBOKEz by worm@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-21T15:25:36.111483Z
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@Agni @attilakinali @amerika @denza252 @p What's a Grecian Urn? Whatever the committee decides.
(DIR) Post #A3SyKujludk5tzFwQK by Agni@bakabakufu.nsfw.cafe
2021-01-21T15:27:14.676459Z
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@worm @amerika @attilakinali @denza252 @p No idea what that means.
(DIR) Post #A3SyogW7LbgIUD46Qi by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-01-21T15:32:37.654991Z
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@attilakinali @p @amerika you seem to have a weird definition of freedom
(DIR) Post #A3Syq1aEVbI470d3rs by doktorzhivago@liberdon.com
2021-01-21T15:32:51Z
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@Agni Also, Good Ideas Are *Not Mandatory*@p @attilakinali @denza252 @amerika
(DIR) Post #A3SyuakdhIlgLEfrsW by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-01-21T15:33:41.744323Z
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@p @attilakinali @amerika I can only imagine that they're talking about healthcare or assume garbage social program that makes them "free from" idk, having to work or some shit
(DIR) Post #A3SyxcYlQiyWoqZ2TA by JohnGritt@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-21T15:34:04.250869Z
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@amerika @attilakinali @david @denza252 @p The whole goal for an economy ought to be to foster the highest growth rate of capital per worker.When a capitalist offshores investments, he is no longer investing in his economy. He is investing in another race's economy.It looks like labor arbitrage to off shore, but he is getting an increase return to his capital by making foreigner workers more productive. Look at China. Thirty years ago, Chinamen had almost no machines. They were pathetic. Fifty years ago, they were still using draught animals to till fields. Capital means any property put to production in pursuit of profit. It does not merely mean bank credits as most suppose, though, foolishly, they would call those bank credits as "money," in correctly since money no longer exists and has not existed legally since 1933.Why a worker can be paid wages is owing to producing more than a one-man, no-tools equivalent output.Higher wages (buying power) can come only from higher productivity (more output each unit of time) producing things sought after in purchases and sales.Look at the history of cars. The machine-laden factory (automation) made car workers richer because the return to capital increased. It was so successful that tens of millions became employed by car making because cars were sought after in purchases and sales.
(DIR) Post #A3Szcd8SC7w4TeoR16 by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-21T15:41:28.941945Z
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@wiggles @attilakinali @p His point is that freedom is not just political freedom, which we have more of in the USA.He is arguing that you cannot say you are "free" if you are OBLIGATED to work a certain number of hours for anything.I don't disagree, but then again, I'm not pro-freedom and think the definition is nonsense.Most people need regular jobs of some kind, although we could make them more humane.As an anti-work conservative, I acknowledge his point and then say that socialist-style policies have made jobs far worse than they were before, so he's effectively not relevant here.Europe is a mess. We'll see how much so in the coming months I think.Europeans tend to use this argument against Murkans because Europeans generally hate Murkans. I understand the arguments on both sides.He argues for economic freedom because that is a way that he can claim Europe is superior. OK, not a bad strategy, even if logically backward (thesis in search of data, not data in search of thesis).I'm all for nationalism and pride in your nation. Europeans should think Europe is the best. However, socialism destroys everything it touches.
(DIR) Post #A3SzgFS2C4hABFhEdU by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-21T15:42:08.173666Z
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@JohnGritt @attilakinali @david @denza252 @p China rose thanks to American unions.
(DIR) Post #A3T07kvPHcGtc5YGdE by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-01-21T15:47:16.630146Z
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@amerika @attilakinali @p complaining that the nature of life requires work is something that has to be taken up with God.No political ideology will free us from work. No, we are not free from many things that are natural and unavoidable. We're also not free from death. Work is like death, it's just a part of life.The more you deny that, the more resentful you'll be. If you can accept that some work is meaningful and necessary and not happening to you because of oppressive society but just because nature is a hostile place and the natural state of things is one that requires that someone work, you can nobly lift your share of the burden instead of whining about how oppressed you think you are.Read Genesis. Listen to Jordan Peterson. Sort yourself out.
(DIR) Post #A3T0FCCiG526FGC66q by doktorzhivago@liberdon.com
2021-01-21T15:48:37Z
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@attilakinali LOL@p @amerika
(DIR) Post #A3T0KQF3UfQDELmXk8 by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-21T15:49:23.806293Z
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@wiggles @attilakinali @p You seem to have confused "necessary tasks" with jobs, and then proceeded to insult me for some reason. Good luck.
(DIR) Post #A3T0tYGResfAFNBPI8 by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-01-21T15:55:55.031523Z
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@amerika @attilakinali @p it's because you don't understand the connection between necessary tasks and the market as a mechanism for finding prices that incentivize individuals to do the tasks voluntarily.If you have necessary tasks with no jobs then you need slaves. That's why I insulted you.
(DIR) Post #A3T0y2Xl1Th5JZQ9s8 by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-01-21T15:56:43.482902Z
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@amerika @attilakinali @p for the record I'm also insulting everyone who agrees with you
(DIR) Post #A3T0zvVg90YC50LeNM by andreas@neckbeard.xyz
2021-01-21T15:57:04.248915Z
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@amerika @JohnGritt @attilakinali @david @denza252 @p China just rose because America was conceived by niggers and perpetuated by niggers.
(DIR) Post #A3T2ALVaRAM9YwpybI by JohnGritt@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-21T16:09:59.141127Z
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@amerika @attilakinali @david @denza252 @p China rose mostly because greedy men with power in the USA made it happen. They saw 1.3 billion consumers and believed they could control the CCP to tap those consumers.The CCP invited them in under strict conditions with all kinds of promises made, promises not kept, and swiped the know-how on how to build and run factories.The Chinese did so after the collapse of the Soviet Union knocked off their key ally.Chinamen pivoted then from being communists to socialists and in truth today, owing to private ownership of capital that have made Chinamen billionaires, China is fascist. Certainly, they are not communist anymore.China is a creation of the US based residents, but it isn't unions. Car makers left Detroit decades ago already for southern US states. They could have tapped Mexico more than the they did owing to NAFTA.They picked China to sell cars in China.GM went all-in and sold China made cars to Chinese. They did not export those cars back to the USA.Given the two, likelier increasing environmental laws and regs drove small time manufacturers to China from the USA.
(DIR) Post #A3T73l6XNC52gtnbJg by p@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-21T17:04:49.219885Z
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@wiggles @amerika @attilakinali He's a pretty interesting guy to listen to. I think the thing about work is that it's effort to effect a change (starting from from "I'm hungry and don't wish to be hungry any more" and going up), we like it because we're wired to like it. It's satisfying. No getting around it.
(DIR) Post #A3T7YoB202TbCHhs4u by andreas@neckbeard.xyz
2021-01-21T17:10:36.348736Z
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@Ricotta @david @amerika @attilakinali @melmc @p Imagine thinking some nigger doctor checking your health is "healthcare"
(DIR) Post #A3T9GrtLeJfxPk0bUe by wiggles@counter.fedi.live
2021-01-21T17:29:46.358518Z
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@p @amerika @attilakinali I am absolutely cracking up at that image macro. Too much for a laughing react to suffice.
(DIR) Post #A3TxE3f2mei37MFlAG by melmc@melmc.nohost.me
2021-01-22T02:49:31.522673Z
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@amerika @Orakel @attilakinali @david @p The Tyger BY WILLIAM BLAKETyger Tyger, burning bright, In the forests of the night; What immortal hand or eye, Could frame thy fearful symmetry?In what distant deeps or skies. Burnt the fire of thine eyes?On what wings dare he aspire?What the hand, dare seize the fire?And what shoulder, & what art,Could twist the sinews of thy heart?And when thy heart began to beat,What dread hand? & what dread feet?What the hammer? what the chain, In what furnace was thy brain?What the anvil? what dread grasp, Dare its deadly terrors clasp! When the stars threw down their spears And water'd heaven with their tears: Did he smile his work to see?Did he who made the Lamb make thee?Tyger Tyger burning bright, In the forests of the night: What immortal hand or eye,Dare frame thy fearful symmetry?
(DIR) Post #A3V23T9qLCTzwDOD56 by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-22T15:18:09.932757Z
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@melmc @Orakel @attilakinali @david @p I always liked his gnostic attitude toward morality.You need evil to know good.Not all that is scary, is bad... nature is bloody, but from it we get great beauty.
(DIR) Post #A3VM20ncI1ygmNZkYq by isol8@pieville.net
2021-01-22T19:02:12Z
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@p @amerika @melmc @sex @attilakinali Funny how life imitates art sometimes.