Post A3GPVAjTwTMLoAdTTU by WomanCorn@schelling.pt
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(DIR) Post #A3GGF9yA73k1DinArg by augustus@shitposter.club
2021-01-15T12:16:28.012514Z
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Aristarchus proposed Heliocentrism in 250BC, nobody really listened to him. Hipparchus thought he was right but couldn't figure out the maths behind how it works and gave up. Later Aristotle just assumed geocentrism and people, including Ptolemy, trusted him. The model didn't really work very well though because you need to add loads of epicycles to make the planetary motions work properly. It's not obviously wrong though, you can tweak it enough to make geocentrism seem correct. A millennia later a famed German autist called Regiomontanus who is obsessed with triangles is reading about Pythagoras so he can learn everything about trigonometry to make better astronomical predictions. He learns about Aristarchus from his research and tries to put together a proper heliocentric model. one of Regiomontanus's pupils keeps his work and later gives it to a pupil of his own, Nicolaus Copernicus, who is credited with proposing heliocentrism even though he basically just formalised it. The Catholic Church doesn't care that he proposes it because they don't take a position on it, but 70 years later they are slandered for it anyway during the Galileo Affair.
(DIR) Post #A3GIS65q2GUUs5gBXM by augustus@shitposter.club
2021-01-15T12:41:13.339614Z
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>For his contemporaries, the ideas presented by Copernicus were not markedly easier to use than the geocentric theory and did not produce more accurate predictions of planetary positions. Copernicus was aware of this and could not present any observational "proof", relying instead on arguments about what would be a more complete and elegant system.disproving geocentrism is not trivial at all. I also note that Copernicus only says it mathematically makes more sense, and provides no proof. Also no proof is provided on the rest of the wiki page. What is the proof geocentrism is wrong?
(DIR) Post #A3GIyIIcBmhPzj0ZZA by Moon@shitposter.club
2021-01-15T12:47:02.231301Z
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@augustus
(DIR) Post #A3GJArGlzp5tvb8bLc by lain@lain.com
2021-01-15T12:49:17.114182Z
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@augustus kepler. but yeah copernicus by itself isn't too convincing.
(DIR) Post #A3GJIYHIURwFLM3FtA by augustus@shitposter.club
2021-01-15T12:50:42.081013Z
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@Moon I wish I hadn't discovered this because there's nothing obviously incorrect about heliocentrism, but there also isn't anything obviously incorrect about geocentrism either (except that all the bowties and muh science people constantly say its wrong) AFAIK Copernicus didn't offer a single shred of empirical proof in favor of his model. it's probably right, but I'm going to need to know more if I want to convince myself of it
(DIR) Post #A3GJLvPgvhpxxuaPUO by augustus@shitposter.club
2021-01-15T12:51:18.441799Z
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@lain Newton and gravitation is basically the argument for it I think
(DIR) Post #A3GK3YQFlqYBOyeYPg by servant_of_the_anime_avatars@kiwifarms.cc
2021-01-15T12:59:11.347792Z
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@augustus Any sufficiently advanced leap in scientific understanding is initially indistinguishable from skitzoposting. It is true that, initially, geocentrism was the superior model to heliocentrism, but this is generally the case for competing scientific theories.The issue with geocentrism is that it becomes totally implausible once you bring into it the picture the "laws" (approximations) of gravity. Of course you can cross out those, but if you do that your heliocentric model will have a minuscule of the explanatory power a geocentric model can have.
(DIR) Post #A3GKLYssnCYi2wdAye by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club
2021-01-15T13:02:27.022507Z
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@augustus You should go explore how they tried to predict tides over a hundred years ago, the history about it is fascinating and it is tied to how the moon and sun influences.See at least the first 15~20 minutes.https://yewtu.be/watch?v=O-N5DuEUap8
(DIR) Post #A3GKMSAVFOKjVWIWZs by augustus@shitposter.club
2021-01-15T13:02:36.468636Z
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@servant_of_the_anime_avatars That's what only came to me just after I posted, you really appreciate what a boss Newton is that he just put all this to bed
(DIR) Post #A3GPVAjTwTMLoAdTTU by WomanCorn@schelling.pt
2021-01-15T14:00:11Z
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@augustus @Moon I feel like we have a better understanding of large scale structures now (for example, galaxies exist) and that understanding is incompatible with geocentricism. The idea that stars are distant suns seems incompatible with geocentricism.But I am not math enough to show that they actually _are_ incompatible.
(DIR) Post #A3GSaQ7YSKpyqQ5cf2 by hardbass2k8@pleroma.soykaf.com
2021-01-15T14:30:12.365313Z
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@augustus what difference does it make to you, would you act differently knowing either to be definitely true
(DIR) Post #A3GSaQZCnWxIEB1hlA by augustus@shitposter.club
2021-01-15T14:34:46.136361Z
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@hardbass2k8 is having a desire to know the truth of the natural world really such an alien concept to you. does anything matter if it doesn't change your behavior? this is so nihilistic and strange
(DIR) Post #A3GSehV7mM9JuG9ggq by augustus@shitposter.club
2021-01-15T14:35:32.935183Z
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@hardbass2k8 it would be funny watching the entire scientific establishment having to walk their theories back, maybe that's my motivations for entertaining the idea
(DIR) Post #A3GSpdmxvBHBZviVd2 by cereal@shitposter.club
2021-01-15T14:37:31.472317Z
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@augustus @hardbass2k8 well, you have limited resources available to you, so the question makes sense.
(DIR) Post #A3GTEGcpBDTsyfiTK4 by hardbass2k8@pleroma.soykaf.com
2021-01-15T14:41:16.992037Z
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@augustus it becomes worse when you consider that the sun most certainly isn’t the center of the universe either and that you could run newtonian gravity simulation with the earth as the reference point just as well as with the sun or any other body or just arbitrary point in space and the relative movements would be the same (ignoring numerical imprecision)
(DIR) Post #A3GTIWw6Thlaiulb1c by augustus@shitposter.club
2021-01-15T14:42:44.547528Z
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@hardbass2k8 ah, you're a galacto-centrist, i see
(DIR) Post #A3GapBJAbv6csg4XkO by hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info
2021-01-15T16:07:03.785038Z
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@augustus @Moon when you walk in an RPG are you walking or is the map moving under your feet?both models are correct
(DIR) Post #A3Gg6bERylEdyZzPjk by shpuld@shpposter.club
2021-01-15T17:06:11.236750Z
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@hakui @augustus @Moon neither, the image on your screen is just changed rapidly by altering the pixels every frame
(DIR) Post #A3GgurGIeeBgAeotEG by hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info
2021-01-15T17:15:19.886541Z
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@shpuld @Moon @augustus ah, the wave theory
(DIR) Post #A3HdlbVljviO0juXpI by passenger@anime.website
2021-01-16T04:14:44.835310Z
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@augustus >What is the proof geocentrism is wrong?phases of venus are pretty convincing
(DIR) Post #A3I4YPYZZcvhvp9k12 by augustus@shitposter.club
2021-01-16T09:14:54.825214Z
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(DIR) Post #A3I5lbJXGqyq7DyYpE by lebronjames75@shitposter.club
2021-01-16T09:28:29.613297Z
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@augustus the right hand animation is so pleasant to look at simultaneously with the left onei get they're both "correct"but with the trajectories of the right hand animation, i just wondered how would you explain the red orb's trajectory, and all i could think is, that the red orb has a fixed distance but varied angle from the yellow orb, so it is being pushed or pulled by the sun orb. and by default the red orb, like the yellow orb, are fixated towards the blue orb (the center of the world, earth)but i couldnt at all explain gravity with the right hand model, but with the left hand model it would be fairly easy to explainreally cool
(DIR) Post #A3I6GgqojdamGTMqjg by augustus@shitposter.club
2021-01-16T09:34:07.241284Z
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@lebronjames75 you need the loop in the geocentric one to explain why mars falls behind the earth but that creates apparent retrograde motion which then has to be explained. it was this gif that made me think that geocentrism was something you have to actually consider why it's wrong
(DIR) Post #A3I6k6umuOYbUzFm9w by augustus@shitposter.club
2021-01-16T09:39:26.078921Z
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when planets go in apparent retrograde motion it looks like they retrace their steps in the sky before carrying on
(DIR) Post #A3I6yIR6rxhLHm8V4i by josh@squ.alid.pw
2021-01-16T09:41:59.297463Z
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@augustus I wonder how geocentrists explain the difference between inferior and superior planets.Why don't Venus or Mercury ever go too far from the sun and sometimes pass right in front?
(DIR) Post #A3I7VQWnnyhbwEb37A by josh@squ.alid.pw
2021-01-16T09:47:58.692884Z
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@augustus wikipedia says:"These terms were originally used in the geocentric cosmology of Claudius Ptolemy to differentiate as inferior those planets (Mercury and Venus) whose epicycle remained co-linear with the Earth and Sun, and as superior those planets (Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn) that did not."But I can't visualise how that's supposed to work at all
(DIR) Post #A3I7bbZXejSvvdp93g by HiroProtagonistSPLC@shitposter.club
2021-01-16T09:49:06.282155Z
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@augustus >"A car 20 feet away from you will exert a stronger pull of gravity than the planet Mercury does," Dr. Hammergren says.>Blames crop failure on the proximity of his neighbor's car
(DIR) Post #A3I7jFTDiM3FhIVn0q by augustus@shitposter.club
2021-01-16T09:50:29.337999Z
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@josh >"I know that I am mortal, the creature of one day; but when I explore the winding courses of the stars I no longer touch with my feet the Earth: I am standing near Zeus himself, drinking my fill of Ambrosia, the food of the gods."just shut up and drink the ambrosia
(DIR) Post #A3I7nQgdxBgLdvmfOS by augustus@shitposter.club
2021-01-16T09:51:13.902942Z
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@HiroProtagonistSPLC inverse square laws are a bitch