Post A357kKbY8LS2pj47Ci by untappedgrowth@bitcoinhackers.org
(DIR) More posts by untappedgrowth@bitcoinhackers.org
(DIR) Post #A3562nv9fwOj3musro by pete@mastodon.petertodd.org
2021-01-10T03:00:21Z
4 likes, 2 repeats
From Parler's CEO. Note how they say they were using physical-compatible infrastructure, that can be fairly easily moved to self hosting.Now big question: will their ISP censor them too? There's not that many ISPs providing transit.
(DIR) Post #A356wVIy4m9rXZc9se by untappedgrowth@bitcoinhackers.org
2021-01-10T03:10:23Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@pete what would you do to get around an ISP censor?
(DIR) Post #A357IRhS9zpejLWurQ by pete@mastodon.petertodd.org
2021-01-10T03:14:23Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@untappedgrowth Honestly, if I were trying to run Parler, I don't really know? You'd have to try hosting in another country, and if that wasn't enough, doing something entirely different than a website.The Bitcoin protocol - as an example - is much more resistant to censorship than websites are. Same with Mastodon, and especially, Scuttlebutt.
(DIR) Post #A357SoOuc63o22ngjQ by untappedgrowth@bitcoinhackers.org
2021-01-10T03:16:15Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@pete I'd like to understand more about this but don't even know where to start or the right questions to askWhat makes scuttlebutt more censorship resistant than a website?
(DIR) Post #A357cioKFhDVafPeaW by pete@mastodon.petertodd.org
2021-01-10T03:18:02Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@untappedgrowth Because it can pass data peer to peer. It can even work locally over bluetooth. Any communication mechanism that happens to be able to allow peers to connect to each other is enough. Also, being store and forward, people don't have to be online at the same time.
(DIR) Post #A357kKbY8LS2pj47Ci by untappedgrowth@bitcoinhackers.org
2021-01-10T03:19:25Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@pete could a system like that be set up with distributed hosting and do things like this?https://bitcoinhackers.org/@untappedgrowth/105528488463893488
(DIR) Post #A358DAoTcKBqrargae by pete@mastodon.petertodd.org
2021-01-10T03:24:38Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@untappedgrowth Sure, Scuttlebutt could definitely have that as an add-on. You'd basically be paying for data access.
(DIR) Post #A358Ld72HiO4wtZuGe by untappedgrowth@bitcoinhackers.org
2021-01-10T03:26:09Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@pete so what are the limiting factors of advancing the success of these projects besides user adoption? Funding?
(DIR) Post #A358ag0vmMsOI8thmi by pete@mastodon.petertodd.org
2021-01-10T03:28:53Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@untappedgrowth Funding is one problem. But software engineering is a problem too. Distributed/decentralized systems are just harder to design than ones using standard architectures. Look at how Mastodon works: the actual software stack under the hood leverages tons of existing libraries and other infrastructure. That saves a lot of time and effort.
(DIR) Post #A3592wY9tOSlgXuyoa by untappedgrowth@bitcoinhackers.org
2021-01-10T03:33:57Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@pete so how do us non tech guys help? @robingrant
(DIR) Post #A35985vETTSqCUAPZI by pete@mastodon.petertodd.org
2021-01-10T03:34:55Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@untappedgrowth @robingrant Honestly I think the easiest way is to create content: actually use the best services we have right now in ways that attract more people.
(DIR) Post #A359aZIeqFvzQFhXcm by untappedgrowth@bitcoinhackers.org
2021-01-10T03:40:04Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@pete @robingrant at what point does functionality type discussions on what social media *should* look like fit in?
(DIR) Post #A359mmVxXJN1sikLxI by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-10T03:42:17.743553Z
1 likes, 0 repeats
@pete That's easy: yes.
(DIR) Post #A359z94VUk9JJgnl9U by pete@mastodon.petertodd.org
2021-01-10T03:44:30Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@untappedgrowth @robingrant The whole time! Technical architect has a lot of influence over UI experience. Doesn't mean everything is possible. But still good to have multiple perspectives. Indeed, I think part of why Mastodon is federated was a social UX decision. Ironically, moderation is essential to censorship resistance, as spam can be used to censor too.
(DIR) Post #A359zcvgU6uvv0u8Z6 by WClayFerguson@noagendasocial.com
2021-01-10T03:44:36Z
3 likes, 1 repeats
@pete That's why any smart developer uses only "Linux" as their external requirement for hosting. Once you start relying on Amazon Services or Google Cloud you're just totally dependent on your overlords.
(DIR) Post #A35BObRhEoM8VjLq3k by untappedgrowth@bitcoinhackers.org
2021-01-10T04:00:18Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@pete @robingrant 100% agree. IMO it should be like consensual tribes or town squares, each with their own permissions that users can flow between freely or even control which communities can see what from them. Like digital cities, each with clear rules
(DIR) Post #A35S1h8Fd1hUhtuzBI by RonaldCrb@bitcoinhackers.org
2021-01-10T07:06:35Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@WClayFerguson @pete this is true, but in this day an age, most software is containerized so we can run it on any linux box wether it is a virtual machine on the cloud or a raspberry pi at home. We have many open source tools at our disposal
(DIR) Post #A35SEJ1uYFHPigxxrs by pete@mastodon.petertodd.org
2021-01-10T07:08:56Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@RonaldCrb @WClayFerguson I think you two are agreeing with each other. :)I do need to get around to learning docker/etc myself and using it.
(DIR) Post #A36Gec8Z82aiDXoiEC by WClayFerguson@noagendasocial.com
2021-01-10T16:33:57Z
1 likes, 2 repeats
@RonaldCrb @pete I think at least 30% to 50% of web startups use either Google Cloud or Amazon Services for a lot of their infrastructure (just like Parler did), because they just never in a million years would've thought their service provider would attack them for political reasons.I always said if you can't run your whole entire stack on nothing but Linux then you don't truly "own" it.