Post A30vKbbbRBm2IlY5Nw by fluffy@social.handholding.io
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(DIR) Post #A30ruClsqeCxt84qau by murtezayesil@fosstodon.org
2021-01-08T02:03:04Z
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WhatsApp was the last Facebook service I couldn't drop because my family and friends were using it. Or at least, I thought I was held by them in the platform. Things changed very fast for many of us yesterday 😀Good bye WhatsApp. You were great until you know who happened.
(DIR) Post #A30sCI4lreOXYKXGAS by kiri@fosstodon.org
2021-01-08T02:06:19Z
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@murtezayesil yay!
(DIR) Post #A30vBC9mga74lf38aG by redstarfish@social.linux.pizza
2021-01-08T02:39:45Z
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@murtezayesil Congrats!
(DIR) Post #A30vKbbbRBm2IlY5Nw by fluffy@social.handholding.io
2021-01-08T02:41:28.622473Z
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@murtezayesil what happened?
(DIR) Post #A30waQmlX8dLKcsdA8 by murtezayesil@fosstodon.org
2021-01-08T02:55:31Z
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TL;DR:Facebook happened to WhatsApp. Mass migration is happening to Signal.@fluffy Long version:WhatsApp is no longer available to those don't share their data with Facebook , https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/01/whatsapp-users-must-share-their-data-with-facebook-or-stop-using-the-app/ . And since the best messaging app is Signal, https://beebom.com/whatsapp-vs-telegram-vs-signal/ , people are moving to Signal.
(DIR) Post #A30wiCirhduS26lK08 by icedquinn@blob.cat
2021-01-08T02:56:56.856636Z
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@murtezayesil @fluffy wait until they find out signal is just as centralized as whatsapp. :blobcat3c:
(DIR) Post #A30xEJk78avT4Xevrs by fluffy@social.handholding.io
2021-01-08T03:02:44.222941Z
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@icedquinn @murtezayesil they are russian, right? that has some important differences
(DIR) Post #A30xGV1UAY2IdVpDBg by icedquinn@blob.cat
2021-01-08T03:03:06.763471Z
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@fluffy @murtezayesil thats telegram
(DIR) Post #A30xNiXWJSGCaJFbg8 by 9zbVLJj7aZW1OP4Tiq.verita84@rage.lol
2021-01-08T03:04:25.480879Z
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@icedquinn @fluffy @murtezayesil I wish Signal had groups like Telegram.nobody I know uses either
(DIR) Post #A30xP9x7sScntUuoRk by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2021-01-08T03:04:43.028393Z
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@murtezayesil @fluffy > And since the best messaging app is Signal, no it isn't. It's either ricochet, cwtch or possibly session.
(DIR) Post #A30xRCCOUrhlRL1mjo by murtezayesil@fosstodon.org
2021-01-08T03:05:03Z
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@icedquinnI know that their service centralized. In fact, I was surprised when I learned that WhatsApp uses Signal Protocol for its E2EE.It would be nice to see Signal federate but its developer doesn't believe that. But they made it clear that they don't mind others fork the Signal protocol, modify and use it as long as they don't use Signal Messenger's servers and name.@fluffy
(DIR) Post #A30xWV8tUbOJdkv8SW by icedquinn@blob.cat
2021-01-08T03:06:00.259382Z
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@murtezayesil @fluffy which is largely toothless because the network effect is what matters, not the code
(DIR) Post #A30xmprCFC8qWDQo0u by coyote@lain.sh
2021-01-08T03:08:58.439383Z
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@murtezayesil @icedquinn @fluffy signal will never federate, moxie has repeatedly denied this. Moxie also takes your phone number for ID purposes, so I don't trust it one single bit on principle. Look into session, it's not as bad and (seems) supported on iOS (unlike XMPP)...
(DIR) Post #A30xy0sDcpjBs4EuJs by coyote@lain.sh
2021-01-08T03:11:00.348288Z
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@murtezayesil @fluffy @icedquinn session is true e2ee with onion-like routing and they collect much less data than Signal or Telegram, which the latter now has an AD platform, and the former takes your number. All that is required for session is an id number and a password
(DIR) Post #A30y2CfnhEHXcqQf3o by icedquinn@blob.cat
2021-01-08T03:11:44.703970Z
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@coyote @fluffy @murtezayesil chatsecure exists on ios but shrug.doesn't session require buying cryptoshit to set up nodes?
(DIR) Post #A30yJbGFX3xyo3lzXM by fluffy@social.handholding.io
2021-01-08T03:14:54.616140Z
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@jeffcliff @murtezayesil >ricochet is the best messaging appbruh have you used it
(DIR) Post #A30yOdSQnF5z4Bs7qC by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2021-01-08T03:15:49.590698Z
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@fluffy @murtezayesil it is currently open on my desktop right now . . .right now it's the *only* one of the 3 in debian stable
(DIR) Post #A30yP5ZqFHf0HHYRHM by coyote@lain.sh
2021-01-08T03:15:53.729419Z
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@icedquinn @fluffy @murtezayesil I don't speak for lokinet, just for the messaging part of things. when I ask my friends to use chatsecure and messages won't send and they will disconnect for hours despite setting it up to be logged in all the time it's very annoying to try and sell people on it. Chatsecure has innumerable problems and isn't nearly as good as conversations is on android even in UI, and I can't in good faith recommend it over session for an iCuck
(DIR) Post #A30yShXRYwq4si9gdk by fluffy@social.handholding.io
2021-01-08T03:16:32.212255Z
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@jeffcliff @murtezayesil then you know exactly what i am going to say.
(DIR) Post #A30ySmPTS0R1zRStPc by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2021-01-08T03:16:33.807646Z
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@fluffy @murtezayesil I mean i get that development is moving to cwtch so i'm assuming that is ok to use too
(DIR) Post #A30yWDIlvKdQGKy32O by icedquinn@blob.cat
2021-01-08T03:17:11.463329Z
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@coyote @fluffy @murtezayesil pants.
(DIR) Post #A30yaLR7cZQOeMqKau by fluffy@social.handholding.io
2021-01-08T03:17:56.115960Z
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@coyote @murtezayesil @icedquinn most people are probably fine giving their name / phone number.it's the part where the chat app listens in on your talks so that they can sell your name to the highest bidder when you mention that you like socks that spooks them
(DIR) Post #A30yaNqieN5Y8Kpnlo by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2021-01-08T03:17:56.984948Z
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@fluffy @murtezayesil best doesn't imply good
(DIR) Post #A30ychzYjPipBS4tXc by icedquinn@blob.cat
2021-01-08T03:18:20.926559Z
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@coyote @fluffy @murtezayesil we can reduce the setup for xmpp nodes to "rent vps, load docker container"(i mean we can for matrix too, but 1 i hate matrix and 2 synapse is significantly heavier)
(DIR) Post #A30ydnx63a9lxVRt8y by coyote@lain.sh
2021-01-08T03:18:32.611923Z
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@icedquinn @fluffy @murtezayesil yeah... Didn't know that about setting up a Loki node.. That must keep most small people out, or can they farm the coin for it?
(DIR) Post #A30yl7iwwabDJ6K07k by icedquinn@blob.cat
2021-01-08T03:19:52.454672Z
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@coyote @fluffy @murtezayesil you're intended to purchase the buttcoins to run a node. there might be some way to mine it :cirno_shrug:there is some staking thing where people in the club have to lock some amount of coins to run a node, and new coins are distributed based on the amount of coins locked or somesth. i read their thesis paper https://docs.loki.network/Advanced/SybilResistance/ and wasn't impressed
(DIR) Post #A30yo3HFvuaWNulSE4 by coyote@lain.sh
2021-01-08T03:20:24.539461Z
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@fluffy @icedquinn @murtezayesil yeah true, but I'm kinda saying that's a grotesque norm :politecat: we shouldn't have to identify ourselves to use internet services I guess is my point, and why I recommend session for an iCuck or xmpp for ... Everyone else
(DIR) Post #A30yunujS4X8lORsn2 by icedquinn@blob.cat
2021-01-08T03:21:37.454492Z
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@coyote @fluffy @murtezayesil basically loki is built on a similar idea of proof stake, which is that having to buy a coin means you spend money to obtain power and sabotaging the network would then sabotage your own properties and rational greedy people wouldn't want to do it.but we know the starbucks problem* exists.* a well funded hostile actor burns capitol at a loss to sabotage locals out of business so they can re-assert a monopoly.
(DIR) Post #A30z03C04eSJb41lKK by coyote@lain.sh
2021-01-08T03:22:34.604889Z
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@icedquinn @fluffy @murtezayesil that's over my head sadly.. They've got to have a strong understanding of economics and.. Well a lot of things that are experimental tech, and have a big brain, I'm not surprised it is kinda janky though
(DIR) Post #A30z6CdTsRoyccoaYa by icedquinn@blob.cat
2021-01-08T03:23:40.604856Z
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@coyote @fluffy @murtezayesil my vote for a cockroach system is still prosody and maybe i2pd. it'll run off bullshit (raspi) and anyone could do it.
(DIR) Post #A30zFL8DewiTZrY836 by abloo@fedi.absturztau.be
2021-01-08T03:25:20.879786Z
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@murtezayesil 🦀🦀🦀
(DIR) Post #A30zYbj2BjcQXnxOCW by murtezayesil@fosstodon.org
2021-01-08T03:28:49Z
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@jeffcliffGive them Ricochet and watch them pull hair because the chat history is gone.I guess Cwtch is still a prototype.Session has no calling feature, I think.I need something that has as little learning curve as possible while offering same features as WhatsApp. Signal is the best for me and my family as of now. You probably can do without voice or video calls. But it isn't the same for my grandparents 😐@fluffy
(DIR) Post #A30zc6hnSgZBUo2xto by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2021-01-08T03:29:27.891187Z
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@murtezayesil @fluffy video calls: jitsi works
(DIR) Post #A310QtoP9tvuHCMCtE by murtezayesil@fosstodon.org
2021-01-08T03:38:37Z
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@jeffcliffI strongly agree. Best != Good.Before recommending an alternative to my family I had to consider many things. Their tech knowledge and "if they heard about that app before" were too much of a constrain. Not to mention my grandparents are gonna use it. I had to find something that entire family could use.I am not sorry that you won't agree with me but for my family's needs and according to their abilities, Signal is the best for us. @fluffy
(DIR) Post #A312ZCRfxopaI9oNpA by murtezayesil@fosstodon.org
2021-01-08T04:02:32Z
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@jeffcliffGiven that my track record on maintaining a server for a long time and at top notch shape, Signal may still be the best option 😬But I will deploy a matrix server even if it is only for tinkering and learning server administration. If I succeed, I may deploy a Matrix server for my family for the long term. I am mentioning Matrix instead of Jitsi because Matrix uses Jitsi for its calling function.@fluffy
(DIR) Post #A312z3rIVmnhBp7yoT by fluffy@social.handholding.io
2021-01-08T04:07:13.052709Z
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@coyote @icedquinn @murtezayesil i don't think it's unreasonable for a family chat app to require names
(DIR) Post #A313kUwzbPqYp9PYVE by fluffy@social.handholding.io
2021-01-08T04:15:47.662866Z
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@icedquinn @coyote @murtezayesil > a well funded hostile actor burns capitol at a loss to sabotage locals out of business so they can re-assert a monopoly.a functional govt should provide free help to people who are being attacked like that
(DIR) Post #A3161dUBJzUY7wEc2S by MonkeyMatt@fosstodon.org
2021-01-08T04:41:17Z
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@murtezayesil nice!Somewhat related questions: what's the motivation for the show more/image content warning? Doesn't seem like it's because it's explicit content
(DIR) Post #A3166Je8Vlle2n7eoi by MonkeyMatt@fosstodon.org
2021-01-08T04:42:08Z
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@murtezayesil nice!Somewhat related question: what's the motivation for the show more/image content warning? Doesn't seem like it's because it's explicit content
(DIR) Post #A318aR4PfrCTfFu3qC by murtezayesil@fosstodon.org
2021-01-08T05:09:57Z
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I used content warning feature as a way to add title to my toot. Images are forced hidden if toot has content warning. There is nothing wrong with the images.I sometimes use content warning even if there is nothing to warn about the content. Mostly for shortening long toots.@MonkeyMatt
(DIR) Post #A31ABqQ8U7WUxKSvq4 by fatboy@fosstodon.org
2021-01-08T05:27:48Z
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@murtezayesil Awesome. Did your family and friends switch to Signal?
(DIR) Post #A31AJoKu7Oreo9ojGi by gerowen@mastodon.social
2021-01-08T05:29:21Z
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@murtezayesil Congrats! My wife and I have been Facebook free for a year or two now.
(DIR) Post #A31E9mRmgcw7s0VYMS by murtezayesil@fosstodon.org
2021-01-08T06:12:20Z
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@fatboy I have few relatives that downloaded Signal. If I need to contact those didn't, they can bridge my message to family group in WhatsApp.I live abroad and it is possible that my grandparents won't be able to start using Signal before they get some assistance. They should receive assistance in 2 - 3 days.
(DIR) Post #A31uLfcsYoyPce2pY8 by fedops@linuxrocks.online
2021-01-08T08:53:42Z
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@verita84 Signal has groups, and so does Session.
(DIR) Post #A31uO4FHzrdYYd9ay0 by 9zbVLJj7aZW1OP4Tiq.verita84@rage.lol
2021-01-08T14:05:33.593513Z
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@fedops Oh nice. Did it just get that feature?
(DIR) Post #A31vwMrJOpJy5MrG4m by fedops@linuxrocks.online
2021-01-08T14:22:54Z
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@verita84 No it's been there for a few years at least. We started using it at work in 2018.
(DIR) Post #A31vyH222G0eammUAS by 9zbVLJj7aZW1OP4Tiq.verita84@rage.lol
2021-01-08T14:23:18.462805Z
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@fedops Public groups like Telegram or group chats?
(DIR) Post #A31w6NXFjtGN4zFVWi by fedops@linuxrocks.online
2021-01-08T14:24:05Z
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@verita84 group chats. Public groups I don't think it has.