Post A2geqfTtywaiXYfrd2 by dsm@husk.site
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(DIR) Post #A2fFPfnfloB6E99WfA by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-28T15:42:50.064411Z
18 likes, 10 repeats
Since I’m banned from communicating with ActivityPub spec authors and they see no problem with it, they shouldn’t be surprised if I don’t follow their rules. The only path forward for me is to build my own network, and that’s exactly what I plan to do.
(DIR) Post #A2fFVYFakinEY90xiS by Rape@noagendasocial.com
2020-12-28T15:43:54Z
3 likes, 0 repeats
@alex Of course they're trannies, the conspiracy goes all the way down to the roots!
(DIR) Post #A2fFgtFD2RCIqXF5Dk by sev@ap.sevvie.ltd
2020-12-28T15:45:57.748524Z
2 likes, 0 repeats
@alex alex irl rn
(DIR) Post #A2fGMt14HD8YIkeYhk by issdeinschnitzel@gleasonator.com
2020-12-28T15:53:32.349576Z
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@alex Make your own ActivityPub spec organisation. American Standardisation Group for ActivityPub (ASAP).
(DIR) Post #A2fGUq2tCmWfPAITUO by issdeinschnitzel@gleasonator.com
2020-12-28T15:54:59.358530Z
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@alex Make your own ActivityPub spec organisation. American Standardization Group for ActivityPub (ASAP).
(DIR) Post #A2fHU20xJtJ8BqZVDM by Moon@shitposter.club
2020-12-28T16:06:02.752990Z
12 likes, 0 repeats
@alex don't go full gab
(DIR) Post #A2fHglUg3QtMiVXsa8 by 11112011@freespeechextremist.com
2020-12-28T16:08:21.268650Z
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@Moon @alex lmao he already did that on spinster didnt work ot very well since turbo fired him
(DIR) Post #A2fI8tVhqHy9gjRKJU by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-28T16:13:25.241029Z
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@Moon My goal is to build the largest ActivityPub network, not to defederate.
(DIR) Post #A2fIFopjd5tXD56sam by Moon@shitposter.club
2020-12-28T16:14:41.022032Z
5 likes, 0 repeats
@alex ok, I don't want to lose my EmmaFaber replies
(DIR) Post #A2fIGE1dxxH7LFsF7o by tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com
2020-12-28T16:14:45.424742Z
4 likes, 0 repeats
@alex Use C2S AP instead of th Mastodon API. Correctly implement OAuth.
(DIR) Post #A2fIJ1s5bx1KW0k4OG by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-28T16:15:15.615380Z
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@Moon Hahaha
(DIR) Post #A2fIKz0REeawCwZwhc by Rape@noagendasocial.com
2020-12-28T16:15:36Z
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@Moon Just build your own EmmaFaber network without lispy pink shit, goy @alex
(DIR) Post #A2fILrO335ZAro2Z04 by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-28T16:15:46.234829Z
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@Moon Dammit my hashtag disappeared #NotAllMen
(DIR) Post #A2fImJJ7ra5WzSLn16 by r@freesoftwareextremist.com
2020-12-28T16:20:32.345748Z
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@alex >bannedWhat happened?
(DIR) Post #A2fJ7xbdEIHg3TKWB6 by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-28T16:24:26.980493Z
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@r I went into cwebber’s video call and asked him to self-host so I could communicate with him (I’m blocked from Octodon) and he basically said “blah blah upholding community standards blah blah I’m happy with it”
(DIR) Post #A2fJnWn5Jneb3FVYJ6 by r@freesoftwareextremist.com
2020-12-28T16:31:58.538902Z
4 likes, 1 repeats
@alex >OctodonThat explains it
(DIR) Post #A2fJuBMROMjqcDDbcG by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-28T16:33:10.717318Z
7 likes, 1 repeats
@r Run by a 23 year old “they/she/her” who sometimes identifies as a girl but sometimes doesn’t. This is the server an ActivityPub spec author uses.
(DIR) Post #A2fK0jh2esSIpfyn5s by allison@blob.cat
2020-12-28T16:34:20.887791Z
8 likes, 0 repeats
@alex @r And? I don't particularly like octodon either, but that's *hardly* a black mark to use against them
(DIR) Post #A2fK5iM93aLI8LZxvE by dielan@shitposter.club
2020-12-28T16:35:15.844283Z
8 likes, 2 repeats
@allisonMore importantly the server arbitrarily blocks things and doesnt disclose them to its users @alex @r
(DIR) Post #A2fKA3mLLm8LjUuBbU by allison@blob.cat
2020-12-28T16:36:02.848662Z
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@dielan @alex @r Yes, the actual administration is the problem there. Idpol nonsense doesn't even begin to factor in
(DIR) Post #A2fKY1jYbYrOLB1wZM by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-28T16:40:22.330744Z
10 likes, 5 repeats
@allison @r I just think that someone whose gender changes by their mood is probably not in a good position to wield power over others.
(DIR) Post #A2fKkbxhjddgAveFua by allison@blob.cat
2020-12-28T16:42:38.435971Z
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@alex @r Most of the actual core clique of octodon is very, *very* cis, and whatever moderation decisions are being made there are being made with their approval, explicit or otherwise.
(DIR) Post #A2fKn3DXN51dHlDX3Q by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-28T16:43:05.438844Z
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@allison @r That doesn’t surprise me one bit.
(DIR) Post #A2fKv0G4G0yuQNC0wa by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-28T16:44:31.512265Z
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@allison @r In this type of environment there are always grovelers scraping the floor for cookies.
(DIR) Post #A2fL2FywCAf3DYdgie by allison@blob.cat
2020-12-28T16:45:50.122663Z
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@alex @r Anyway, cwebber is pursuing with ng activitypub/ocappub is tantamount to a fork, whether you inject idpol elements into it or not. Current activitypub will probably limp along for a while longer, but in the general case I think we're going to see several competing protocols in the near future
(DIR) Post #A2fL8U14vbjCTybqe8 by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-28T16:46:58.160303Z
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@allison @r Whatever Mastodon does is what we do, I guess, but it would be annoying if they broke compatibility again.
(DIR) Post #A2fLK2ODTBfeH4wR7I by allison@blob.cat
2020-12-28T16:49:01.955122Z
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@alex @r "what mastodon does" is relatively conservative, I highly doubt most of cwebber's proposals will be taken up by them for at least the next 1-2 years, probably longer (look how long it took to migrate the network off ostatus as a point of comparison, thing is only really irrelevant *now*, and ap was finalized in 2017-18)
(DIR) Post #A2fLdo0Afmu9RX7Xqi by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-28T16:52:37.190518Z
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@allison @r I’m glad. It’s frustrating because I know we still have to work together even though I’m socially outcast from some parts of it.
(DIR) Post #A2fLffGo6lXiwQmxFI by 9vVlQ7B44mOHOY3BhY.kino@springbo.cc
2020-12-28T16:52:57.851212Z
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@alex you're banned from communicating with ap devs?
(DIR) Post #A2fLrTLkFmQzRijEZM by allison@blob.cat
2020-12-28T16:55:05.330601Z
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@alex @r Yeah, I wouldn't worry too much honestly. For every AP spec author who has you blacklisted, there are manifold others who would be willing to work with you in a good faith effort to improve the health, reach, and proliferation of the network. And failing that, there's always other options.
(DIR) Post #A2fM79sIQe19g9QxFo by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-28T16:57:56.064693Z
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@allison @r Thanks. 🙂 I’m very grateful for the people that already have. The polarization is just a little hard to accept sometimes.
(DIR) Post #A2fMJiJqBwKBysIwCW by polarisera@spinster.xyz
2020-12-28T17:00:12.279376Z
2 likes, 2 repeats
@alex Cowardice and open standards don't mix.
(DIR) Post #A2fMN6CJrr5QuMOtdI by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-28T17:00:48.945876Z
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@polarisera Very true. They’re going against the grain.
(DIR) Post #A2fMSK3flIgXLMqZ8a by r@freesoftwareextremist.com
2020-12-28T17:01:45.081620Z
5 likes, 0 repeats
@alex Re-read their block list. Almost all the people I interact with are from instances listed on there. It really tells how much these people care about being open. Kinda ironic because the very first word on ActivityPub's Wikipedia page is "open".
(DIR) Post #A2fMXmjsYTHPk9C2qm by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-28T17:02:44.703938Z
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@r Almost all the people I interact with are from instances listed on there.That’s why they call it The Great Wall of Mastodon 😂
(DIR) Post #A2fMeh0gFn1u0CLVSa by allison@blob.cat
2020-12-28T17:03:58.926393Z
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@alex @r Fun fact: I actually like kind of close to one of the octodon power users and he attends the same Unix user group I was considering. That's going to be a *fun* discussion when he finds out I'm one of the evil pleroma admins~
(DIR) Post #A2fMhyXJY0kjECAw0e by allison@blob.cat
2020-12-28T17:04:35.216211Z
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@alex @r Fun fact: I actually live kind of close to one of the octodon power users and he attends the same Unix user group I was considering. That's going to be a *fun* discussion when he finds out I'm one of the evil pleroma admins~
(DIR) Post #A2fMnwS8CuSEVGb1Ie by r@freesoftwareextremist.com
2020-12-28T17:05:39.321389Z
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@allison @alex Isn't the whole point of federation co-operation instead of competition? But yeah, I personally would stay away from these "web" protocols as much as I can.
(DIR) Post #A2fMuQKE3SzYt9zNmy by allison@blob.cat
2020-12-28T17:06:49.388547Z
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@r @alex "isn't the whole point of federation" lol, you're making the rookie mistake of assuming these technologies have moral etiologies to them in and of themselvesThey don't. Groups do, and they use the technologies as tools or weapons to achieve a desired end.
(DIR) Post #A2fN5AKbrN1aTDI5qq by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-28T17:08:45.935542Z
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@allison @r I agree with both of you, but think of it like “going with the grain” vs “going against the grain.” Federation in blacklist mode is basically the best design for censorship resistance. All these Fediblock people wouldn’t have such a hard time if they just operated in whitelist mode.
(DIR) Post #A2fNDWiGWtjYCaLIdk by r@freesoftwareextremist.com
2020-12-28T17:10:16.270437Z
15 likes, 11 repeats
@alex :gnujihad::gnujihad::gnujihad:MASTADON MUST BE NUKED:gnujihad::gnujihad::gnujihad::gnujihad::gnujihad::gnujihad:https://gnujihad.neocities.org/:gnujihad::gnujihad::gnujihad:GNU WILL RISE AGAIN:gnujihad::gnujihad::gnujihad:
(DIR) Post #A2fNHAN9X78A4YCd6m by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-28T17:10:56.604338Z
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@r If I wasn’t on a FBI watchlist already I am now.
(DIR) Post #A2fNLLMkbLhbKJ0SwK by sean@social.deadsuperhero.com
2020-12-28T17:11:41.978986Z
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@alex congratulations on being Another Mike Macgirvin.
(DIR) Post #A2fNT7eTTSH96r0QU4 by allison@blob.cat
2020-12-28T17:13:06.383092Z
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@alex @r Or if the level of granularity is at the level of the individual user and not the instance. This is arguably the correct solution, but also by far the hardest to engineer, and it's what cwebber is trying for a bit with ocappub. That being said, I think the solution won't come from within the current ap sphere at all but from outside of it.
(DIR) Post #A2fNaEbY1Qy8hU1oeG by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-28T17:14:23.762625Z
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@allison @r I think I’ll make it easy for users to self-host before that happens.
(DIR) Post #A2fNbwJoynlyZCY9jc by Moon@shitposter.club
2020-12-28T17:14:42.360205Z
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@sean @alex red pill me on Mike Macgirvin.
(DIR) Post #A2fNkKiGAOIQXZz11M by allison@blob.cat
2020-12-28T17:16:12.923379Z
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@alex @r Define "easy"
(DIR) Post #A2fO5qR1Q79B0QB5MG by allison@blob.cat
2020-12-28T17:20:05.865482Z
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@alex @r If you can make self-hosting as easy for the average user as BitTorrent, you have a real value proposition regardless of how shitty your software is otherwise.
(DIR) Post #A2fO6pgNhcg6xipiGe by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-28T17:20:16.552099Z
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@allison @r Pick a domain name, enter your credit card details, click a button.The Fediverse is built around domains. Whatever solution works around that would no longer be the Fediverse, but something else. Decentralized specs are a dime a dozen, but actual successful federated networks that people use are impossibly rare. So I’m not betting on any future technology or protocol, I’m betting on what we have right now.
(DIR) Post #A2fONCodShNNLFV8YC by allison@blob.cat
2020-12-28T17:23:13.983101Z
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@alex @r There's a reason I cited BitTorrent here and not any of the billions of other pieces of decentralized tech that pretty much no one outside of a few diehards use. You don't see people heaping praise on Tox or RetroShare or whatever in this context
(DIR) Post #A2fP5quLlGe0QXSmki by derek@gorf.pub
2020-12-28T17:31:18.874199Z
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@alex the spec is pubic. what do you need to talk about?
(DIR) Post #A2fPC8PfafpmSK6n4q by derek@gorf.pub
2020-12-28T17:32:27.103723Z
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@alex what we really need to do is make pleroma or something a finished product. pleroma is only about half baked. no one big will use as it stands now.
(DIR) Post #A2fPYqRSZZsJNbm6LY by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-28T17:36:33.230012Z
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@derek It’s so close though. It’s a bunch of small issues that can be cleaned up. I’ll do it myself when the time comes.
(DIR) Post #A2fPmdBOfO3IJNpqVs by derek@gorf.pub
2020-12-28T17:39:02.771629Z
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@alex the time is here. it seems a lot more than small issues. the entire admin area needs a ton of work. making pleroma perfect or at least as good as mastodon seems like obvious first step before making hosting platform for pleroma.
(DIR) Post #A2fQOPZphXAr7NHQki by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-28T17:45:51.914080Z
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@derek I’ve already improved it leaps and bounds since I started. Moderation features didn’t even work when I started. I’m going to build my own admin area into Soapbox FE directly. It will only take a month or two to polish it. I get that it’s a chicken and egg problem, but the reality is that people DO use it in this state. People WILL tolerate the bugs when what they get is freedom. I absolutely do plan to polish it before we go live, it’s on the roadmap, but I’ve already spent a lot of time on it and I want to figure out this hosting stuff before going any farther.
(DIR) Post #A2fQTugLTs032JwwkK by kakol@glowers.club
2020-12-28T17:46:52.001132Z
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@alex How’d you get banned? Did you hurt their feewee’s?
(DIR) Post #A2fQsUJKfJ7qUGu5Sa by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-28T17:51:17.819334Z
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@derek Also, Mastodon on a hosting service is a non-starter. I’m not sure that could even be profitable at the price point I want to set ($10/mo). The only one doing it, masto.host, claims it’s not for profit. The only way this works is with Pleroma.
(DIR) Post #A2fS8Y9mEZKF0DenWi by melmc@melmc.nohost.me
2020-12-28T18:05:24.989187Z
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@alex @derek I am hosting my Pleroma instance on a Digital Ocean VPS at a cost of $5/mo with an additional $1/mo for backup. I installed it with YunoHost which gave me a free domain and security certificate.
(DIR) Post #A2fSQiwGsvALeh0QRU by Atlas@atlas.fedi.live
2020-12-28T18:08:41.851947Z
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@alex @derek This reminds me, I need to put together a brief summary of the things I had to do outside the install instructions to get an instance up and running off a $5/mo vultr instance.
(DIR) Post #A2fV0O40AyA7FFksJk by derek@gorf.pub
2020-12-28T18:37:33.739356Z
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@melmc @alex I’m there also.
(DIR) Post #A2fZZxBK01L877OT56 by derek@gorf.pub
2020-12-28T19:28:48.428633Z
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@alex that is great you have put your time into it. it is definitely your call. would be great to have really polished admin area. almost too many settings and most are not very understandable.
(DIR) Post #A2fZeBwB50Up2JKaUS by derek@gorf.pub
2020-12-28T19:29:34.579053Z
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@alex do you want me to be brutally honest?
(DIR) Post #A2faFkYzIunV8pOSBs by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-28T19:36:21.009518Z
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@derek I guess.
(DIR) Post #A2faWaswXZ5Q32l8Eq by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-28T19:39:23.566442Z
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@derek Don’t say Misskey
(DIR) Post #A2fbY4axfHPAR4cLfE by derek@gorf.pub
2020-12-28T19:50:52.548559Z
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@alex Regarding Biz model:at $10/month/instance even w/ $0 costs, 100% profit AND even if you have 1,000 customers, which you won’t, you are only making $10K/month. The time spent supporting 1,000 users would not only be more than you could handle but more than 2 or 3 people could handle full time. You won’t even break even and you will have no time to code or be quirky (in a nice way).Regarding customer acquisition/marketing:Most your potential customers are going to be those on the right. No right winger is going to trust a “quirky” (in nice way) vegan with all their data. It will not happen.Regarding the general concept:you are kind of centralizing a decentralized network. not right direction.Solution:put together package where you can offer users:1) Set-up and configure and train - they pick and pay host direct DO, OVH, etc. based on your consult.2) Support levels starting at $10/monthThis way everyone is truly decentralized, they have flexibility going forward, you are making more money with less stress, no legal issues and no server issues.
(DIR) Post #A2fc1twVpoHs5LvASe by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2020-12-28T19:56:16.486961Z
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@alex @derek I agree, with one caveat: MORE people will be interested if the bugs are not noticeable.The basic stuff that everyone does has to work, or you get a smaller audience.
(DIR) Post #A2fcCRya9cXQX9v3U8 by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2020-12-28T19:58:10.821986Z
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@derek @alex I agree that you're going to have to charge for support, but @alex tends to like one-click stuff anyway. If it breaks, you fix it for free; if the user breaks it, they pay to fix it.I don't think conservatives would care if a quirky vegan ran it. We are tolerant of eccentricity, as long as it is not harmful. Veganism harms no one as far as I can tell.
(DIR) Post #A2fcaG2sAEz2TtHK5o by derek@gorf.pub
2020-12-28T20:02:28.024860Z
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@amerika @alex no we are not…lol. I think you are greatly underestimating the issues or support and moderation. running straight up hosting solution requires little support or moderation. Running SaS model is brutal support and moderation, especially on a social networking application.
(DIR) Post #A2fd7WoKqq9a2DLLLk by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-28T20:08:28.698929Z
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@derek Thanks for the thoughtful post. I agree many of these are challenges but I will work them out. I do think we can hit at least 2,000 customers (Spinster has nearly 10x that many users) and possibly more with the right approach. Ultimately I do think my approach has a lot more potential than your suggestion.Your best point is probably the one about me. I’m gonna have to learn to shut up and maybe even disappear if it really starts to get big.
(DIR) Post #A2fdvRujKdGPKJ8eVk by 9gcarz2naIwb0S3nkm.JoYo@thejoyo.com
2020-12-28T20:17:30.087357Z
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@alex @derek I'm running OTP on a $5 vsp.it completely crumbles any time someone boosts a jpeg or mp4 hosted but it works well otherwise.
(DIR) Post #A2fe2FWtm6wgwbEZxA by derek@gorf.pub
2020-12-28T20:18:44.389751Z
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@alex I hope it works out but you should not pretend to be something you are not.
(DIR) Post #A2feAGZvl7gCVvTWBE by derek@gorf.pub
2020-12-28T20:20:11.514293Z
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@JoYo @alex easy to upgrade.
(DIR) Post #A2fem6gmyZ7MqYj7Zo by seanking@traboone.com
2020-12-28T20:27:01.955191Z
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@alex If only some realized we all as humans are interconnected, even our littlest actions can affect others in the long term, and cooperation was vital to the future of the fediverse.
(DIR) Post #A2ff4qEGOkjxIaJkRM by 9gcarz2naIwb0S3nkm.JoYo@thejoyo.com
2020-12-28T20:30:24.951547Z
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@derek @alex I don’t know what you mean by upgrade
(DIR) Post #A2ffdlqkfivrqtyYVc by derek@gorf.pub
2020-12-28T20:36:43.467556Z
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@JoYo @alex means get a bigger server.
(DIR) Post #A2fsXCyIjacvLVhx7g by r000t@ligma.pro
2020-12-28T23:01:10Z
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@alexThat's okay. Every time I make kysalicia whine, cobalt has to deal with it. I just wish cobalt would admit she had a crush on me. @r
(DIR) Post #A2fscTmvdcpMwvtzIO by r000t@ligma.pro
2020-12-28T23:02:07Z
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@alex @rLike, imagine going on most days about having no source of affection, and blocking the cuddlist mofo on fedi.
(DIR) Post #A2fskBecwYCr1bh6ie by r000t@ligma.pro
2020-12-28T23:03:29Z
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@alex @rAs for a real answer to your problem, I've noticed that when canceldon admins want to whine at me, they don't refederate long enough to do so, they just send an email.Email is "private" (compared to fedi) and thus they don't have to shun you to keep up appearances.
(DIR) Post #A2fxl2HzkOmY2YKfho by jawsh@fedi.jmizzle.com
2020-12-28T23:59:07.388778Z
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@melmc @alex @derek I believe what Alex is doing will work with domains people own, regardless of the registrar. BYOD (bring your own domain). This gives you far more control since you own the domain. You're able to migrate your instance to another server if you decide to self host or find a VPS you want to use. You're essentially borrowing your sub domain with nohost.me
(DIR) Post #A2fzIe5YKb8wmc6RKC by derek@gorf.pub
2020-12-29T00:17:00.164837Z
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@jawsh @melmc @alex not really. you need to have your own domain anyway, of course. that is hardly a factor financially. the issue is the data and control of the server. I can buy a more powerful slice than he will be able to offer for $5-10 from digital ocean. the only thing gained is having someone set up your instance of pleroma which isn’t hard. The downside is:1) customers have no control of their own data.2) it is anti-DEcentralization3) support is nightmare.4) legal implications are huge and just not smart to put all sites at risk for the actions of one instance. and opens yourself up to huge legal problems. hosting and SaS models are different with different biz and legal issues.
(DIR) Post #A2g0aJPs1r3xpsauCO by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-29T00:31:24.287158Z
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@derek @jawsh @melmc the only thing gained is having someone set up your instance of pleroma which isn’t hard.But that’s just the thing. I’m going to make it possible for the average person to do this. My audience is nontechnical users.it is anti-DEcentralizationCentralization and decentralization mix together like ice cream and peanut butter. Tribes in pro-decentralization. “Move out any time!” is a selling point, and I’ve started writing a post called “Moving your tribe to a Raspberry Pi”. Tribes is a centralized service that will enhance the decentralized network without taking anything away.If we make it easier for people to join the network, the network will grow, including self-hosters. I want people to keep self-hosting, as it makes the whole network stronger. And if the network is strong, that’s job security for Tribes. In this upside-down world competitors are actually allies since they enhance the most important asset a social network has: its userbase.
(DIR) Post #A2g11RMqZg3kJa7F0S by melmc@melmc.nohost.me
2020-12-29T00:36:18.789845Z
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@alex @derek @jawsh I'd like to know more about Tribe. Feel free to DM.
(DIR) Post #A2g1Q1Eirl5wVi2GvY by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-29T00:40:44.949011Z
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@melmc @derek @jawsh Here's a little preview. :tribes:
(DIR) Post #A2g1jaICkhcijlzgGG by melmc@melmc.nohost.me
2020-12-29T00:44:17.113023Z
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@alex @derek @jawsh I like options and lower barriers to entry. It appears that is what you are endeavoring to provide. Good luck.
(DIR) Post #A2g3pljZKI9vrrrzwu by 9gcarz2naIwb0S3nkm.JoYo@thejoyo.com
2020-12-29T01:07:48.189676Z
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@derek @alex i donno, its like the size of a rack server.maybe a little bigger, sometimes the dongles hang off the sides.
(DIR) Post #A2gEHPwivRUBwaqUE4 by realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live
2020-12-29T03:04:49.526729Z
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@alex @allison @r If you want a good standard for self-hosting, see #PLEX for #Windows. It should be that easy. Install it, set it to run on login, very simple.
(DIR) Post #A2gEhxVgl3svZOr8bo by Ricotta@yggdrasil.social
2020-12-29T03:09:39.504991Z
1 likes, 0 repeats
@alex Ok, boomer.
(DIR) Post #A2gExBtPZ9lkWLDPe4 by Ricotta@yggdrasil.social
2020-12-29T03:12:24.618074Z
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@alex @r You've interacted with me enough to have your own dedicated agent.
(DIR) Post #A2gFZOoLz4LFag4KA4 by derek@gorf.pub
2020-12-29T03:19:18.567114Z
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@alex @allison @r but you are? or lain?
(DIR) Post #A2gFfAJCog8yLkFVJY by ArdanianRight@freespeechextremist.com
2020-12-29T03:20:21.998158Z
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@alex @allison @r Their gender is their fucking imaginary friend. When you're a grown-ass adult you can't expect everyone to play along.
(DIR) Post #A2gFryF4zUckgsQQ7M by ArdanianRight@freespeechextremist.com
2020-12-29T03:22:40.839770Z
4 likes, 1 repeats
@alex @allison @r Bruh, the gender fairy who tells you what to identify as today should've been dropped off at Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends like 15 years ago.
(DIR) Post #A2gFuLhsim0Y2m1zv6 by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-29T03:23:05.554971Z
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@derek It’s a pointless question. We’re all free on the Fediverse.
(DIR) Post #A2gG0v2AHx45LXeRXc by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-29T03:24:17.188042Z
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@derek Unless you want to get into “authority of the bookmaker territory”
(DIR) Post #A2gG2aRDpnJE35APOi by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-29T03:24:35.309009Z
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@derek Unless you want to get into "authority of the bookmaker" territory
(DIR) Post #A2gGVvuX4uZZ2js07k by cell@shitposter.club
2020-12-29T03:29:53.967841Z
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@allison @alex @r i always cherish the opportunity to post this
(DIR) Post #A2gGaWUqzkNFfd31AO by derek@gorf.pub
2020-12-29T03:30:43.435070Z
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@alex i get the vibe your username isn’t ironic in your mind. and the fact that you think torba is “smart” in any way troubling to say the least. it is a common thing in today’s world where you have a bunch of 20 something yo kids still living with parents or being supported by them with almost no real world experience or discipline or traditional moral compass that somehow think they should be kings. I had it with my own employees. they lie, steal, record calls and try to extort someone like me. it is laughable honestly. and dangerous.
(DIR) Post #A2gHWBINyhbSiDi2ZE by seanking@traboone.com
2020-12-29T03:41:09.040514Z
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@derek @alex You can be fair and acknowledge the good sides of a person while despising some of the vad stuff they do.
(DIR) Post #A2gHYoHI0uZuC1RxzM by seanking@traboone.com
2020-12-29T03:41:37.558810Z
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@derek @alex You can be fair and acknowledge the good sides of a person while despising some of the bad stuff they do.
(DIR) Post #A2gIDWeyQDEvQNwWK8 by derek@gorf.pub
2020-12-29T03:48:58.740865Z
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@seanking @alex the problem is definitions. torba is not smart, he is actually very dumb but he is dishonest and arrogant. if someone thinks torba is smart what they really mean is they envy his dishonesty. if torba wasn’t lying about everything in his life and was just working a normal career do you think he would be successful? No, he would be a $40k/yr sales guy. that’s all, ever. i respect actual smart people who earn without scamming.
(DIR) Post #A2gJQgJ7xmeh45YsF6 by seanking@traboone.com
2020-12-29T04:02:33.555981Z
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@derek @alex Torba definitely has some issues and I think he's quite an assholr. That being said, I have some advice: It's not wise to assume the worst of the worst or what someone actually means when they say something. From what I've heard from Alex about Torba, I could tell you he has his issues with some of the shit he does. And from a strategic standpoint, assuming the worst of those who disagree with you is utterly stupid. They aren't gonna want to listen to you if that's how you come across. Moreover, it'll just make them feel much better about their own thoughts on something. Do what you will. Say what you will. Just consider this advice.
(DIR) Post #A2gJVuPMxsACFGyQxE by seanking@traboone.com
2020-12-29T04:03:30.571465Z
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@derek @alex @derek @alex Torba definitely has some issues and I think he's quite an asshole. That being said, I have some advice: It's not wise to assume the worst of the worst or what someone actually means when they say something. From what I've heard from Alex about Torba, I could tell you Alex has his issues with some of the shit Torba does. And from a strategic standpoint, assuming the worst of those who disagree with you is utterly stupid. They aren't gonna want to listen to you if that's how you come across. Moreover, it'll just make them feel much better about their own thoughts on something. Do what you will. Say what you will. Just consider this advice.
(DIR) Post #A2gJXUV6G8yeTQPOUa by seanking@traboone.com
2020-12-29T04:03:47.781337Z
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@derek @alex Torba definitely has some issues and I think he's quite an asshole. That being said, I have some advice: It's not wise to assume the worst of the worst or what someone actually means when they say something. From what I've heard from Alex about Torba, I could tell you Alex has his issues with some of the shit Torba does. And from a strategic standpoint, assuming the worst of those who disagree with you is utterly stupid. They aren't gonna want to listen to you if that's how you come across. Moreover, it'll just make them feel much better about their own thoughts on something. Do what you will. Say what you will. Just consider this advice.
(DIR) Post #A2gJvxtKdWjeZsPfNI by derek@gorf.pub
2020-12-29T04:08:12.789711Z
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@seanking @alex no thanks kid. i’ve been around a long time and done way more stuff than any of you. i make more than gab, minds, bitchtue and brighteon put together working from home part time. maybe you should listen to what i am saying and take my advice.
(DIR) Post #A2gKIBKDN5Qcc0a4x6 by jawsh@fedi.jmizzle.com
2020-12-29T04:09:21.492136Z
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@derek @alex @melmc I'm aware, I have a domain I use for Pleroma and a handful of other things via yunohost. With yunohost you do not need to own a domain, you can opt for a sub domain from a handful of domains they offer. My comment was directed at melmc to explain the different approach that Tribes is taking.
(DIR) Post #A2gKIEQhpPP4F0dnzE by derek@gorf.pub
2020-12-29T04:12:13.021224Z
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@jawsh @alex @melmc w/o a domain nothing will migrate, at least not easily in any way. if someone doesn’t have a domain then no point to having an instance of your own if someone else is running it. just join one.
(DIR) Post #A2gKo37nOZbCRhy3vs by jawsh@fedi.jmizzle.com
2020-12-29T04:16:24.302759Z
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@derek @alex @melmc also setting up Pleroma or Mastodon can be a challenge for somebody not tech savvy. Email I would say is the biggest headache and is important if your trying to run a multi user instance. Mention mail relays and API's to the average person and you're speaking another language.
(DIR) Post #A2gKo3PALzUfJa5w0W by derek@gorf.pub
2020-12-29T04:17:59.032855Z
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@jawsh yeah but anyone who knows what they are doing is very easy. once set up and with daily backups pretty easy and risk free.
(DIR) Post #A2gKpB8b5ZphaSsgts by jawsh@fedi.jmizzle.com
2020-12-29T04:17:15.238499Z
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@derek @alex @melmc which was exactly my point.
(DIR) Post #A2gLOf2zsSYSUBBHbk by seanking@traboone.com
2020-12-29T04:24:36.282428Z
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@derek @alex Derek, the amount of money one makes is not a sign that they're better than another individual. A billionaire who gives no money to those who are less fortunate than him is not suddenly wiser than an upper middle-class good samaritan who gives leftover stuff to those who are less fortunate than him just because he has more money. Experience may be strong with you, but true wisdom comes when one is open-minded and willing to consider they may be wrong.
(DIR) Post #A2gM8q2FaCP3M9guYa by derek@gorf.pub
2020-12-29T04:32:57.084683Z
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@seanking lol. kid. i/m not wrong. you are not smart. i spent years bldg orphanages and churches in 3rd world countries. i spent years running inner city church groups. i have given away a couple hundred thousand dollars to the point of being broke in just the last few years and i don’t lie or beg. you are the one who is wrong. enough kid. you are proving my point, dumb kids who think they are smart. it is so annoying.
(DIR) Post #A2gMVKD64dMzJTUG00 by seanking@traboone.com
2020-12-29T04:37:00.630116Z
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@derek Very well if you want believe you're right and that Alex and I are just dumb kids. Just know this. You criticize Torba of arrogance, which I understand. Yet, you're exhibiting arrogance towards me right now all because I said it's not wise to assume the worst of Alex just he thinks there's some good sides to Torba.
(DIR) Post #A2gNWp4iu6y5Haqf2W by derek@gorf.pub
2020-12-29T04:48:29.467213Z
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@seanking no, you are exhibiting arrogance towards me by thinking we are some how equals. when i was your age I was running $30MM construction projects with 200 people under me. Now, im twice your age and 10X smarter. that is my point. you see how that works? nope b/c you are dumb arrogant kids that lack discipline and understanding. just my point. annoying.i know ppl. alex will hand over data w/o warrant just like torba, alex will be dishonest just like torba. he thinks torba is smarthe is going to pretend to be something other than he is to get customers.he is not able to work for others which means he is arrogant and greedy.i would never trust his service.
(DIR) Post #A2gNfT6LyGknjrjWzo by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-29T04:50:03.080115Z
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@derek Derek, I know you’re well intentioned, but sometimes you’re an angry little man. 😘
(DIR) Post #A2gO53RnyUHphfy3cm by derek@gorf.pub
2020-12-29T04:54:40.692233Z
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@alex my anger is not little and neither am i, torba wanna-be. imagine having torba as a goal. ugh.
(DIR) Post #A2gOEvGHGShnD9HUci by seanking@traboone.com
2020-12-29T04:56:27.017150Z
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@derek 1. "No u" is not a reasonable argument. It just makes you look desperate to "win". Moreover, your whole "I did $30 million construction projects, I'm twice your age and 10x smarter" just proves my point about you being arrogant just like the Torba you despise.2. You're just assuming the worst of the worst of Alex. He hasn't started it yet. And you're assuming he's gonna be some dishonest asshole just like Torba. Chill the fuck down. You can't just accuse someone of or predict someone will commit crimes they haven't committed that easily. Again, you could be wrong. Alex's Tribes hosting service could be much better than you anticipated. Not everything is as black and white as you want to believe it is.
(DIR) Post #A2gOK58BzsNPGjxYRs by dave@gleasonator.com
2020-12-29T04:57:23.255653Z
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@alex Are you really being prevented from communicating with the guy, or is it just that you would have to use non-fedi channels? I wouldn't fork ActivityPub just on that basis. Make some valuable contributions to the spec that get approved, and then try to have the conversation again.
(DIR) Post #A2gOMgyuF3CpEqrQSu by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-29T04:57:51.805711Z
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@derek I LOVE Torba and his bees.
(DIR) Post #A2gOUsy5YiOejQNwie by derek@gorf.pub
2020-12-29T04:59:20.741194Z
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@seanking kid. that is not arrogance. those are literal facts. arrogance is not understanding that. kids that wanna be kings w/o the work. the entitled world of internet kids.
(DIR) Post #A2gOV6QDXRcaSQe5rs by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-29T04:59:22.506801Z
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@derek People have different opinions, it’s not the end of the world. Unless you want to go all SJW cancel culture over it.
(DIR) Post #A2gOZEVjPE8uhfC70K by lucky@pleroma.mouse.services
2020-12-29T05:00:06.737548Z
3 likes, 1 repeats
@alex @derek based and clownpilled
(DIR) Post #A2gOgEIcafX04gOlpA by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-29T05:01:23.207531Z
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@dave I’m not forking anything. Yeah I could email him, but… he’s an ActivityPub spec author. I can’t communicate with him over the spec he helped author?
(DIR) Post #A2gOsvOsAV9ZDyNNKa by mar77i@gleasonator.com
2020-12-29T05:03:41.634838Z
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@lucky @alex @derek What a time to fit right in.Check my bio.
(DIR) Post #A2gP0ZNVvfi1F1Nz1M by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-29T05:05:04.250290Z
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@Ricotta 👻
(DIR) Post #A2gPBcL3GNkpbkVBmi by dave@gleasonator.com
2020-12-29T05:07:03.397610Z
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@alex I think there's a valuable conversation to be had about how people that aren't involved with the user's affairs are making decisions about who they should be allowed to communicate with, like some controlling parent. You could directly contrast that with email, the medium you're using to contact him with, where this kind of control would be obviously ridiculous.
(DIR) Post #A2gQzMEXW12e5mjoTw by seanking@traboone.com
2020-12-29T05:27:14.670451Z
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@derek Just gonna say this. If you really think you're looking any better than me or Alex right now, you're not. You're sounding more like a boomer who rambles about "those stupid kids".
(DIR) Post #A2gS2996jOWmKC5hDM by derek@gorf.pub
2020-12-29T05:38:58.372660Z
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@seanking dumb.
(DIR) Post #A2gTHLheQTutZH3rWK by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-29T05:52:54.443191Z
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@derek @seanking I’m not taking you too seriously here. We’re mostly friends but sometimes you hate me for 5 minutes.
(DIR) Post #A2gU6kvKPrW6YayHo0 by seanking@traboone.com
2020-12-29T06:02:12.604325Z
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@derek That's really all you have to say? "Dumb"? Get some good rest, dude. You seem like you could use a good break to help you calm your impulsive tendencies to antagonize.
(DIR) Post #A2gUNg2Lq1QqK9KCtE by alex@gleasonator.com
2020-12-29T06:05:15.692574Z
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@derek @seanking alex will hand over data w/o warrant just like torbaNot true. On Spinster we got contacted by the FBI and the first thing we did was consult a lawyer. Then we put up a warrant canary.alex will be dishonest just like torba.I’m very honest.he thinks torba is smartTruehe is going to pretend to be something other than he is to get customers.Of course I’ll play to my audience but that’s just business 101. I’m not gonna start pretending to be a rightwinger. 😳he is not able to work for othersTruewhich means he is arrogantTrueand greedy.Not true.
(DIR) Post #A2gWNEvUpmys9O2PJo by polarisera@spinster.xyz
2020-12-29T06:27:36.176563Z
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@alex @derek @seanking
(DIR) Post #A2gXBCvGYfZePnky4O by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-12-29T06:36:38.572108Z
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@JoYo @alex @derek I'm running six on one $5/month VPS. The only times the health check fails are when my home net connection blanks. loadavg on that machine is 0.74, 0.55, 0.48.
(DIR) Post #A2gXlHmlxGxxvFzGu8 by siinclaiir@neckbeard.xyz
2020-12-29T06:43:09.269869Z
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@alex Wait what, dude that really sucks man :jahy_sad:You're fighting a good fight, and best of luck :gnu_jihad:
(DIR) Post #A2gYJZtL8zS3vHPXIu by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-12-29T06:49:21.638704Z
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@JoYo @alex @derek (The other machine is slightly beefier, but it's got 20 instances on it.)
(DIR) Post #A2gZ4q1oxvBra3ugJE by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-12-29T06:57:54.080225Z
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@derek @jawsh @alex @melmc Well, I mean, since I'm doing this already at cofespace.com (which is a non-hypothetical service), I have some thoughts.> 1) customers have no control of their own data.That's a valid problem; this is why I offer dumps (and re-pointing subdomains) when someone wants to move. But it's not really that much worse than buying a VPS: you still don't really have control of your data, you still have to trust the hosting company.> 3) support is nightmare.Yeah, I'm hacking on a search thing at the moment but I plan to finish up cofebot Real Soon Now. Support isn't that bad, though I am sometimes slow at it.> 4) legal implications are huge and just not smart to put all sites at risk for the actions of one instanceWordpress seems to not lose all *.wordpress.com sites when one of them misbehaves (and plenty of them misbehave). I don't think hosting Pleroma instances is materially different.
(DIR) Post #A2gZ6Xhy3CIDLBRK52 by look@birds.garden
2020-12-29T06:58:12.189411Z
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@p @JoYo @alex @derek which VPS host? i've been using Vultur recently. I like it
(DIR) Post #A2gZ9wSgTSRKysub3I by look@birds.garden
2020-12-29T06:58:48.882247Z
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@r @alex have you considered calling him a homo?
(DIR) Post #A2gZOD7LLSDkgyjY9o by r@freesoftwareextremist.com
2020-12-29T07:01:23.560098Z
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@look @alex I don't talk to mastadon users.
(DIR) Post #A2gZQxj91RT9pRj8gC by peter@babic.dev
2020-12-29T07:01:52.891196Z
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@alex @derek @seanking This whole thread was a nice read, however, how do you plan to address scaling? No offence, just asking.AFAIK pleroma still does not even have an official containerized approach. I mean, there are two unofficial Docker builds, and at least one of them sort of works (unless you try to upgrade the instance too frequently). Is there another way to manage thousands of instances in a sane manner without containers, that I am not aware of right now?
(DIR) Post #A2gZUxd1KbvagGlkZ6 by katie@mstdn.io
2020-12-29T07:02:34Z
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@allison @r @alex For people who aren't that familiar with the Fediverse, this whole "Pleroma is evil" thing seems a bit odd. It's just a piece of free software, isn't it? It competes with Mastodon, so I guess the Mastodon developers have some reason to not like it.. but nobody else is like that.Ever heard a Linux user say "He's using *BSD so I won't talk to him because he's one of those bad *BSD users?" Of course not, that would just be stupid and also insane.
(DIR) Post #A2gZsjzJhJaVKGXMxc by wowaname@anime.website
2020-12-29T07:05:44.408082Z
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@alex @allison @r i'll refrain from commenting about some block-happy faggot i dont know anywhere near personally, but it's very easy to put myself in the shoes of someone whose mood toward their identity shifts from day to day. i range anywhere from feminine to androgynous (i guess tomboy is a good analogue) and thats why the only thing i insist on is not to be referred to by any masculine descriptors
(DIR) Post #A2ga0I2LVG5WxBYOem by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-12-29T07:08:17.087871Z
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@alex @derek @jawsh @melmc > I’m going to make it possible for the average person to do this.Well, since it's already possible through another service that already does this, this should probably read "I'm going to also offer a service allowing" rather than "I'm going to make it possible for".Maybe I should plug more if people don't realize cofespace.com exists and also allows people to migrate to self-hosting.> competitors are actually allies since they enhance the most important asset a social network has: its userbase.:teamup:
(DIR) Post #A2ga3pNA1BrdD9yc0O by wowaname@anime.website
2020-12-29T07:08:48.439521Z
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@derek @seanking @alex>thinking we are some how equalsyeah, you're lesser than everyone in this thread because you pull the superiority card. shoot yourself in between the eyes.
(DIR) Post #A2gabeD41mmwR6Neu8 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-12-29T07:15:02.178401Z
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@look @JoYo @alex @derek I axed most of my Vultr services when they kicked off a canary. I'm using Frantech and Joes mostly, but I'll be running it all myself shortly. (Calling up colo tomorrow, in fact.)
(DIR) Post #A2gcYO7ZaWRjZtNyfA by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-12-29T07:36:51.434839Z
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@ethot @derek @alex > Torba made like $500K this yearYou're always saying this but has that been confirmed by any sort of third-party source yet?I just see this: https://news.gab.com/2020/11/24/gabs-first-100k-revenue-month-thanks-bitcoin/And then I see this: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/3DjemruRRvunHTHxNJbwoRCzCFWagw6vo2That address is a year and a half old and it has not seen anything approaching "$500k". At $27k/BTC (most of the transactions, which are public, were when BTC was under $10k), that's still only $47k total.500k_my_ass.png
(DIR) Post #A2gcmUIRQQSImhBzwe by HonkeyKong@freespeechextremist.com
2020-12-29T07:39:24.296361Z
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@p I literally gave him 500k dollars. u mad PETER?@ethot @alex @derek
(DIR) Post #A2gd9rFiF2F8dq3mMa by torresjrjr@qoto.org
2020-12-29T07:43:35Z
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@r @alexThis mentality is so subtly but importantly wrong.No one has an obligation to federate with anyone. This is *true* freedom. That's how real life works too. The Fediverse is fractured, which is inevitable and natural, because the Fediverse most closely resembles real life, which is also fractured into communities.btw, the "open" means "non proprietary".
(DIR) Post #A2gdABJHfSz2qhsuhs by Jessica@fedi.absturztau.be
2020-12-29T07:43:39.704495Z
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@p @ethot @alex @derek It's almost as if the boomers over at gab are too stupid to realize that putting a bitcoin address out there means anyone can see your transaction history
(DIR) Post #A2gdPGqFNpuaLhUwOe by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-12-29T07:46:24.873961Z
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@HonkeyKong @alex @derek @ethot Man, if you gave that guy $500k, I'm not mad but you crazy, man. :burgerkang:
(DIR) Post #A2gdZaSzH1aC6tXOzo by HonkeyKong@freespeechextremist.com
2020-12-29T07:48:16.742180Z
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@p actually I gave him $500k MILLION also did u just call me a nigger?@alex @derek @ethot
(DIR) Post #A2gdcc1VwRJTo887H6 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-12-29T07:48:49.545029Z
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@torresjrjr @r @alex> This is *true* freedom....For the admins, not the people using the instance. It's not a coincidence that the admins that are the most block-happy are the least transparent. People making decisions on behalf of others is the antithesis of freedom.
(DIR) Post #A2gdgxtiYVVQo8Yhbk by kura@fedi.z0ne.moe
2020-12-29T07:49:34.706210Z
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@p @torresjrjr @alex @rhonestly. blocked. /s
(DIR) Post #A2geAhBVG7oLf03Qhc by Jessica@fedi.absturztau.be
2020-12-29T07:54:57.637937Z
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@p @torresjrjr @alex @r yeah this is why if i see an admin without an instance federation blocklist being shown, i immediately jump to the admins are block happy and don't want people to see it. It's only one checkbox to enable it, both in mastodon and pleroma.
(DIR) Post #A2geBJWOit6UYo7eXw by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-12-29T07:55:05.832394Z
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@Jessica @alex @derek @ethot I doubt it's donations, too; I think the guy's been day-trading coins and that this is why the balance is at 0.00616639 BTC (~$166).
(DIR) Post #A2geGTCy8ThW3DUegq by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-12-29T07:56:01.745974Z
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@HonkeyKong @alex @derek @ethot Not you, kang. :burgerkangsmug:
(DIR) Post #A2geIItlRE4kefNvaC by Jessica@fedi.absturztau.be
2020-12-29T07:56:18.196735Z
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@p @alex @derek @ethot bruh
(DIR) Post #A2geRmprVCKk6q578S by Jessica@fedi.absturztau.be
2020-12-29T07:58:02.960135Z
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@p @alex @derek @jawsh @melmc I should make an instance there tbh
(DIR) Post #A2geW4kkpKIgq1jn6W by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-12-29T07:58:50.953611Z
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@kura @alex @r @torresjrjr :putin_wink:
(DIR) Post #A2geq1FfYRRHlphvtI by HonkeyKong@freespeechextremist.com
2020-12-29T08:02:27.225237Z
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@p :thasrite: @alex @derek @ethot
(DIR) Post #A2geqfTtywaiXYfrd2 by dsm@husk.site
2020-12-29T08:02:34.112652Z
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@p @torresjrjr @alex @r Some people say it's the complex over-engineering, but I think it has to be the social controls slipped into infrastructure and then hand-waved away that's is the real bloat. Whoops, wrongthink detected, better "protect my marginalized communities."
(DIR) Post #A2ggZ917d6MYq7z6MC by torresjrjr@qoto.org
2020-12-29T08:21:47Z
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@p @r @alex> > This is *true* freedom.> ... for the admins> blocking on people's behalf is the antithesis of freedom.In *that* context, I agree. Ideally everyone would have their own instance, and federate as they wish. True freedom.Obviously there's a huge barrier and cost to that, so entrusting someone else at a relatively small cost is the next feasible option.The cost per freedom goes up for massive instances, which is why its important to de-clusterize.
(DIR) Post #A2gjiFIjvzgenZFyAC by anonymoose@fedi.club
2020-12-29T08:57:03.913218Z
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@torresjrjr @r @alex @r @alexNo one has an obligation to federate with anyone. This is *true* freedom. That's how real life works too.If someone is claiming to be a federated service, that kind of obligates them to be that, no? This is like an email service blocking mail from other servers for no reason. If you don't accept emails from everyone who is not abusive at a technical level, you shouldn't call yourself an email provider; you're fundamentally doing something else. It's important that you have a meaningful option to review, and if desired whitelist anything in your spam folder even though your email provider already knows its spam. *that's* true freedom.
(DIR) Post #A2gnWdH3NUg1UTBZIW by torresjrjr@qoto.org
2020-12-29T09:39:46Z
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@anonymoose @r @alexGood points.After some reflection, I think this is only true in absence of certain realities, though:- Email is mostly a P2P experience. ActivityPub posts are globally public by default.- ActivityPub is generally more informal, faster and variadic than email. Both points influence the dynamic of a social network. "spam" is a greater issue in a Fediverse-like system, and I sensibly guess that we've arrived at this point with blocklists being prevalent for other reasons too.But good points. At least I can maintain alt accounts with little effort. The resilient Fediverse proves itself and floats.
(DIR) Post #A2goMN2mxxP6DDBTRg by r000t@ligma.pro
2020-12-29T09:49:07Z
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@pThis has always been my biggest worry. Mastodon is especially notorious for not just keeping control away from the end user, but also gaslighting said user. Instead of a message saying "Communication with this server isn't possible because of a block on this server.", it just pretends people don't exist. @r @alex @torresjrjr
(DIR) Post #A2goS6Jk4Gtq4aqWem by r000t@ligma.pro
2020-12-29T09:50:09Z
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@JessicaRemember when I had to annoy and wheedle gargron for like 4 days straight before he'd check the box he wrote? And he took that time to turn my instance block into a user block so I wouldn't show up on the list? Good times. @r @p @alex @torresjrjr
(DIR) Post #A2gp7Kuehv9pDFm63U by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-12-29T09:57:38.018031Z
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@torresjrjr @r @alex > Ideally everyone would have their own instance, and federate as they wish.This is the goal of cofespace.com, I want to push the ratio of users to admins as close to 1 as possible.> Obviously there's a huge barrier and cost to thatHandshake problem, sure, but it's doable. The protocol might have to change to scale that up. (It's got to change to scale up anyway.) The problem is, as Alex noted, the P2P solutions aren't ready yet. (I've used twister.net.co, very cool but somewhat heavyweight; it's almost as involved as running Pleroma yourself. It's pretty quiet there, too: this is where the party is right now.)I've got a project I'm hacking on intermittently that fixes the handshake problem but it'll be a minute, it's not top of the list.> The cost per freedom goes up for massive instancesI'm not sure what this means.
(DIR) Post #A2gr9taQxgX3EtfFTM by cell@shitposter.club
2020-12-29T10:20:29.989502Z
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@derek @seanking do you have a corvette?
(DIR) Post #A2grSA8GBUCjlcCFMG by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-12-29T10:23:48.441414Z
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@r000t @r @alex @torresjrjr Yeah, the users and the other admins. I remember the witches.live admin doing that lengthy freakout, "PLEROMA ALLOWS FASCISTS TO CONDUCT PASSIVE SURVEILLANCE" because she thought that if she blocked FSE, FSE would somehow know this and stop fetching posts. Gargulon actually argued against disclosing server blocks and kept them out for a long time (allegedly because this would "enable harassment") but it just means that nobody knows if they've been blocked, especially not the server in question.
(DIR) Post #A2grjLHzxJnZIDwYtc by look@birds.garden
2020-12-29T10:26:54.296616Z
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@p @torresjrjr @alex @r Mastodon is fascist!
(DIR) Post #A2gyitcdWLvtAEKawa by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club
2020-12-29T11:45:15.857515Z
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@r @alex :gnujihad:
(DIR) Post #A2hDqd0cfdIPGhhBY0 by jcbrand@mastodon.xyz
2020-12-29T14:33:23Z
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@mangeurdenuage @r @alex Sorry for barging in here...Where can you see the block list of a particular instance?
(DIR) Post #A2hFCLj3i4eDzSOxMW by torresjrjr@qoto.org
2020-12-29T14:49:50Z
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@p @r @alexGreat to hear of those efforts. This is definitely a community effort and I'm eager to contribute.> > The cost of freedom goes up for massive instances.> I'm not sure what that means.I meant that if you sacrifice some freedom and entrust your account to a bigger instance, the cost is greater because admins are more distant, their administrative desicions are more detached and less accountable, etc.
(DIR) Post #A2hO3FwuiUwv3WcYme by derek@gorf.pub
2020-12-29T16:29:03.862138Z
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@ethot @p @alex fortunately we know exactly how much gab makes from their yearly SEC filings. They made a total of about $150K in donations (aka subscriptions) but spend something like $750K. At the beginning of this year they had about $35K in cash but were given a $200K convertible note by someone (i think was rob monster). They claimed $25K in btc. this year their 2 main addresses have shown about another $25K btc. regarding their $100K month, just remember, torba is a liar. no one “invests” in gab. the ones who give him money want control of a community and torba is fine with that. this year i destroy they all.Fosco “built” dissenter. fosco is a retarded degenerate who deserves what he gets.https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1709244/000110465920067852/annual_report.pdf
(DIR) Post #A2hSim7WPT0iWRdUP2 by dsm@husk.site
2020-12-29T17:21:23.482584Z
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@JoYo @alex @derek That's correct. The proxy would make requests for media and then when you access the page it would load that media from the proxy rather than from the remote hosts that the post comes from. If the delay is from that remote fetch taking a while this should help reduce that perceived lag. If your server is actually showing heavy slowing from images then something is wrong. (It could also be front-end lag in the browser itself on heavy threads, which is distinct from server load, you'd want to use something like htop to confirm that it's the server's issue.)
(DIR) Post #A2hT3ZI3J6KqoNTbH6 by 9gcarz2naIwb0S3nkm.JoYo@thejoyo.com
2020-12-29T17:25:07.893336Z
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@dsm @alex @derek The server stops responding when lots of instances are grabbing a copy of a jpeg I post, not the other way around.
(DIR) Post #A2jzehSJUqCrhTwg64 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-12-30T22:39:50.845623Z
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@ethot @alex @derek Not an especially clever way to dodge "Is there any third-party confirmation of this?"
(DIR) Post #A2roKUOOoJlhA9xDns by gamliel@linuxrocks.online
2021-01-03T17:02:47Z
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@realcaseyrollins @allison @r @alex I seen a mention about #plex today and found your toot via this hashtag. Do you try to persuade human beings to use #Microsoft Windows? Why? Software #freedom is impossible without open source code. (And not to use #Windows is much easier than not to use i.e. #Facebook or #Twitter: Windows is not needed to communicate with Windows #users; they even would not know that one does not use Windows.)#FOSS #FLOSS #liberty #GNU #Linux #GNULinux
(DIR) Post #A2roKWOpLhIbO4AakS by realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live
2021-01-03T17:10:11.496866Z
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@gamliel @allison @r @alex I appreciate the enthusiasm, but #Windows is the absolute best as far as being user friendly, as well as software compatibility. While #Linux can work for many things, and gets easier to recommend the more browser-based computing becomes the norm, it’s almost the worst for gaming (I say almost because to my knowledge you can play more AAA games on #Linux through #WINE than on #MacOS) and still can’t run most popular programs out of the box. I find it easy to praise and hard to recommend, unless I’m talking to a techie.The point of my post is, it should be as easy to host a #Soapbox instance as it is to host a #PLEX server. I do think people should be given the ability to run #Pleroma on #Windows too, and those solutions should be as simple, easy, and user friendly as possible.
(DIR) Post #A2roL78okBTfL7xpQm by allison@blob.cat
2021-01-03T17:10:15.872826Z
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@gamliel @realcaseyrollins @r @alex "software freedom is impossible without source code" not necessarily, 80s home computers had the ability to introspect state and disassemble programs as standard and pretty much everyone made use of that. What *does* kill software freedom in nearly every case is complexity and control mechanisms to try and prevent educated users/developers from molding their environments as they see fit.
(DIR) Post #A2roThemrb9guL0s7c by allison@blob.cat
2021-01-03T17:12:16.071492Z
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@gamliel @alex @r @realcaseyrollins Or in other words: think SoftICE, not Stallman
(DIR) Post #A2rpXuRbMWj9gBPnzE by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-03T17:24:15.628734Z
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@realcaseyrollins @gamliel @alex @allison @r He's got a point.You can install Windows on a toaster.
(DIR) Post #A2rqNCP4LmCa9CggXA by realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live
2021-01-03T17:33:31.328857Z
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@amerika @alex @allison @gamliel @r #Linux would run faster tho
(DIR) Post #A2rqRxbgn4a3hlrQf2 by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-03T17:34:23.419681Z
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@realcaseyrollins @alex @allison @gamliel @r Except for the three days you spend configuring the audio drivers.
(DIR) Post #A2rqqZpcK8RbCs76ES by allison@blob.cat
2021-01-03T17:38:49.517227Z
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@amerika @realcaseyrollins @alex @gamliel @r I've literally never configured pulse or alsa in my life except for with completely bleeding edge ryzen hardware which ended up having a nasty driver bug in libasound2 making it not initialize the soundcard. Updated the library version and all was smooth sailing~
(DIR) Post #A2rsQ8YlIUAh0HkYGu by admin@happylittle.cloudns.cc
2021-01-03T17:56:26.938678Z
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@realcaseyrollins You should check out protonDB. I started writing reviews on there recently. With Valve's work on Proton/DXVK gaming on Linux is a lot better than what people think. A lot of games run fine ootb, some need minor tweaks. The biggest issue is anti cheat software wasn't made to run on linux. So there are a lot of great titles that will run but you can't play online multiplayer, which is often a big part of the game. EAC is working on linux support right now though so hopefully that will change soon.
(DIR) Post #A2rtNA6dBwNSsujlYm by gamliel@linuxrocks.online
2021-01-03T18:04:33Z
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@allison @realcaseyrollins @r @alex > Or in other words: think SoftICE, not StallmanDo you speak about that #SoftICE?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoftICEIt has closed source code, it requires to use #Windows and it is no more developed since many years ago.
(DIR) Post #A2rtNASxquF40BBbN2 by allison@blob.cat
2021-01-03T18:07:07.218199Z
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@gamliel @realcaseyrollins @r @alex Yes lol. But I'm not saying "use SoftICE" literally, I'm saying "if our environments had better tools to introspect state, the free/proprietary divide would be illusory in the first place" (see also: lisp machines)
(DIR) Post #A2ruMxMMgKHBJ6YvSa by gamliel@linuxrocks.online
2021-01-03T18:15:10Z
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@allison @realcaseyrollins @r @alex > the free/proprietary divide would be illusoryI think open source code is important not only for #freedom, but also for #security and #privacy. Any #software can contain #backdoors. But backdoors in open source software become found and published (i.e., it happened to #Ubuntu), however backdoors in closed source software can remain hidden eternally.
(DIR) Post #A2ruMxmb6nGAcSpsLg by allison@blob.cat
2021-01-03T18:18:14.792491Z
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@gamliel @realcaseyrollins @r @alex So can backdoors in foss, they just have to be sufficiently well-crafted. It's extremely naive to think Linux, for example, doesn't have backdoors accessible to state actors and well-financed malware organizations at this point.