Post A2Pl452lCpVsFM2oiW by brandon@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #A2H08dAs05BA9KpHkG by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-16T22:58:23Z
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What pisses you off the most about social media? Have you ever tried to leave?If so, what keeps you on it?either reply here or send responses to linuxliaison@fastmail.com ♻️ plz boost ❤️
(DIR) Post #A2H0LhiuOlh81SyuG0 by stardenver@social.tchncs.de
2020-12-16T23:00:40Z
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@brandon Toxic environments like Twitter and ppl using anonymity to insult or threat other ppl.
(DIR) Post #A2H0OkAjkZf2UDRmjY by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-16T23:01:26Z
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@stardenver What part of them do you consider toxic aside from the anonymous insulting?
(DIR) Post #A2H0QkyJkR01Xtb8EK by unicornfarts@fosstodon.org
2020-12-16T23:01:49Z
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@brandon Advertising is the ruin of humanity.
(DIR) Post #A2H0h3N36ouHF4w90C by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-16T23:04:42Z
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@unicornfarts Would you be willing to consider that there are non-exploitative ways of advertising?
(DIR) Post #A2H0n1CY5UM4Ferz0K by stardenver@social.tchncs.de
2020-12-16T23:05:49Z
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@brandon There are so many trolls and haters, using social media just to release steam or to harm other ppl to feel better. They don't care about the social aspect. They use it like a tool to release hate and anger. They don't wanna have conversations. They are not open minded. They are just there to spread their hate.
(DIR) Post #A2H0ssLduuJkWyus4m by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-16T23:06:52Z
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@stardenver Alright, thanks for elaborating :)
(DIR) Post #A2H0uTayuwPYLDr1EG by stardenver@social.tchncs.de
2020-12-16T23:07:02Z
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@brandon btw.. not a native english speaker. So sorry for any confusion I may cause by using some wrong words or phrases.
(DIR) Post #A2H0xvwJzUdV7NU5Ca by wizzwizz4@fosstodon.org
2020-12-16T23:07:46Z
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@brandon @unicornfarts I'm actually interested: can you show me a non-exploitative form of advertising that lacks strong incentives to become exploitative?I've been trying to create one for nearly a year, now; if it exists, you'll've saved me a great deal of effort.
(DIR) Post #A2H0zH1V5X60nTXtIW by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2020-12-16T23:08:08.556626Z
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@stardenver @brandon Huh. Sounds like Democrats in real life.
(DIR) Post #A2H12XdllJjTCf0IzY by unicornfarts@fosstodon.org
2020-12-16T23:08:38Z
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@brandon Oh I agree non-exploitative advertising is possible/exists, however it likely accounts for a tiny fraction of all advertising on the big platforms.
(DIR) Post #A2H1CB6oOAgsDcBQe0 by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-16T23:10:19Z
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@stardenver No glaring or breaking mistakes in your message :) Have confidence in your abilities! You're doing great in English 😍
(DIR) Post #A2H1S9Fv2wDT6Y3gHo by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-16T23:13:12Z
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@wizzwizz4 @unicornfarts One of the examples comes from npm.npm will show a short message whenever you install or update a package that goes something along the lines of:There are 11 dependency packages that are looking to receive donations. Enter `npm fund` to find out which ones.Very unobtrusive, as far as I know this doesn't share any additional data aside from the actual request sent to the npm server for the list of dependencies looking for funding.
(DIR) Post #A2H1TSY8nVv9EWCsQy by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-16T23:13:31Z
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@wizzwizz4 @unicornfarts If it sends more data than that, just make your thing not send that much data
(DIR) Post #A2H1Wu8KhMQpeRmHuy by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-16T23:14:05Z
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@unicornfarts That's the thing, it's hard to scale this sort of advertising in a way that still provides a similar value to all the contributors of funding
(DIR) Post #A2H2EZqvSlYPUeScka by unicornfarts@fosstodon.org
2020-12-16T23:21:55Z
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@brandon composer also has this feature. I did a security update today and was politely informed that 29 package we're using are looking for funds! @wizzwizz4
(DIR) Post #A2H34N2IMNZInlTXlo by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-16T23:31:21Z
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@unicornfarts haha I love how they also use the command "fund" :P @wizzwizz4
(DIR) Post #A2H4AGHOUdYnXRuXA0 by kai@ajin.la
2020-12-16T23:43:39Z
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@brandon I sense another blog post coming 😋
(DIR) Post #A2H73IUeADaSEvTqsq by ataraxia937@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T00:15:59Z
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@brandon Sometimes I want to leave fedi. I want to have people to talk to, but mostly not about the things people here want talk about. I have no better alternative, nor any idea of what I want.
(DIR) Post #A2H7nIW0PlHZd23CxU by kai@ajin.la
2020-12-17T00:24:19Z
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@brandon This isn't exclusive to social media, but the fact that companies accept huge mounts of VC and then have to resort to increasingly invasive tactics to make it back I find deeply troubling. And that with a proprietary network, my mere presence adds value that I only see in the form of using the service. And I don't dare leave because I'm gonna need this network to help me find a job 😅 but I do like seeing the children of all the people I went to school with 😋
(DIR) Post #A2H7sCV8CbDMQLynnk by Azure@tailswish.industries
2020-12-17T00:25:17.139202Z
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@brandon The way so much of it (and web-native) software in general is designed to subvert users. Either by providing insufficient scope and access choices. Or pushing activity models like 'like' and 'boost'. And generally trying to push for 'engagement'.And that the Free, noncommercial alternatives end up copying the dark patterns in their design.And it's not even their fault because things that don't will prompt a reaction of "That isn't similar to the thing I'm familiar with and thus inherently user hostile and impossible to use in an objective and transcendent way!" and only become a specialty, niche interest.
(DIR) Post #A2HAulHY9rwEjkXXFY by gamayun@mastodon.social
2020-12-17T00:59:15Z
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@brandonThe worst thing about "social" media is the exclusion of people not in the corporate silo of choice / not with the same provider from the actual social interactions that have been transplanted on there.It means exclusion or second class status when it comes to participation in community decision making, public policy, political organisations, you name it.
(DIR) Post #A2HBGzbjZorpXOa71c by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T01:03:13Z
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@ataraxia937 What is it that you're primarily interested in talking about?
(DIR) Post #A2HBK0KVLfCIe6xUdE by ataraxia937@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T01:03:50Z
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@brandon If I knew that, I'd talk about it!
(DIR) Post #A2HBZcVzetYXQ3mKvo by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T01:06:41Z
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@kai I hear you VC funding. There's honestly too much of it going around. Yeah that means that more and more people get to explore something but when it results in the numerous lawsuits, disappointed customers, and permanent damage to the psyche of some, it's hardly worth the opportunity.and I'm not even sure there's an argument to be made that because it benefits minorities in some way, that makes it worth it because I doubt they make up a representative portion of VC funded companies
(DIR) Post #A2HBn4WWpnX43ERXYO by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T01:09:04Z
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@Azure Funny you mention the push for engagement, I have some points about that I'm working on related to the encouragement of engagement via algorithms, and how that's toxic.I understand the frustration though of the tendency for foss and noncommercial alternatives to use the same dark patterns. Part of that is probably what the developers are used to, as well though. And some developers not being creative in subverting those user habits too
(DIR) Post #A2HCVfW6ej6pWcVkH2 by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T01:17:10Z
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@gamayun Can you name an example of what you would call a corporate silo or provider?I just want to understand a little more of what you're getting at here
(DIR) Post #A2HCbWGNyPDqYywofQ by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T01:18:11Z
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@ataraxia937 Well, what's your favourite part of being a Linux sysadmin?
(DIR) Post #A2HDKqr4GEDXSTimy8 by michel_slm@floss.social
2020-12-17T01:26:21Z
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@brandon @unicornfarts @wizzwizz4 F-Droid does it in a nice way too
(DIR) Post #A2HDPVD0AUt3luCN8q by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T01:27:15Z
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@michel_slm @unicornfarts @wizzwizz4 I approve of this! Maybe we should be making a website that highlights this kind of non-exploitative advertising
(DIR) Post #A2HEEjMjIDnARnAzFA by ataraxia937@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T01:36:26Z
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@brandon I don't really have much of any enthusiasm for it any more. I'm looking for my "next thing" these days.
(DIR) Post #A2HGPg9Zm9nNZwN7s8 by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T02:00:52Z
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@ataraxia937 What made you lose interest, would you say?
(DIR) Post #A2HH4lJZUWApSVdZZ2 by ataraxia937@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T02:08:19Z
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@brandon I've been doing it for so long. And my current job makes everything so painful.
(DIR) Post #A2HHIk3axpYBc1pYX2 by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T02:10:49Z
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@ataraxia937 oh really? How long have you been doing that?
(DIR) Post #A2HHMXUJdZYbmx8iJ6 by ataraxia937@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T02:11:32Z
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@brandon Full-time sysadmin since 2007. This job, since 2016.
(DIR) Post #A2HImErhbBpnVwtf6W by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T02:27:22Z
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@ataraxia937 Yo...that's pretty impressive. I've never done the same thing for more than two years. My longest job was my first working in a meat warehouse, about 2 yearsI can see why that would get boring after a while though. Do you think you'd have enough knowledge to either become a consultant or a systems architect?
(DIR) Post #A2HJ8u4N5BnLg6d7Pk by ataraxia937@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T02:31:28Z
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@brandon I probably have the knowledge, but not the temperament. I'm a highly anxious person that doesn't want much responsibility. And I'm no good at creative thinking - I non-neurotypical, with a condition called NVLD that includes "trouble imagining the future".
(DIR) Post #A2HJZssVcVNDnmwlhA by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T02:36:20Z
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@ataraxia937 Ah shoot, that kind of sucks :/ Is it trouble imagining the future entirely or just imagining it accurately?
(DIR) Post #A2HJgoJcywyDg7vz1c by ataraxia937@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T02:37:37Z
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@brandon Trouble imagining the future being different than the present, mostly.
(DIR) Post #A2HJoNXKQhbKwQx2zg by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T02:38:56Z
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@ataraxia937 That sounds a little depressing :( How do you try to make up for it? I hope you don't mind these questions
(DIR) Post #A2HKHCUGadxL4QGKoq by ataraxia937@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T02:44:11Z
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@brandon I essentially don't really know what I'm missing. How would I properly imagine it?
(DIR) Post #A2HKPVyY15BLpTOI1A by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T02:45:40Z
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@ataraxia937 That's a fair point.I imagine that in the future I'll live in a house and I'll be a manager or director at some company, and I imagine that I'll maybe have kids. Can you imagine those things for yourself? Or at least the things you don't have and want from that?
(DIR) Post #A2HKn7LVEzpiOKNmPg by ataraxia937@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T02:49:56Z
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@brandon Not really. I occasionally get a good idea for something I want, but it hasn't happened for years now.I'm not bothered by these questions, but I'm tired of them now.
(DIR) Post #A2HL0mIcHvnTAeXw0W by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T02:52:25Z
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@ataraxia937 Alright, I understand.If there's anything else you're interested in talking about lemme know!
(DIR) Post #A2HLRDx26MzWSd3r3Q by g@nerdculture.de
2020-12-17T02:57:07Z
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@brandon I have left Twitter before, but I rejoined after a while because I was missing the industry news (I know I could have used RSS for Tiwtter or found a industry site but I didn't feel like it at the time).I want to leave Facebook because it's owned by Facebook but I feel I can't because friends are on there and I feel like I wouldn't be contacted by them if I left (and most people I know check Facebook messages much more often than email).
(DIR) Post #A2HMFK2lix6tprdIDQ by sjb@mstdn.io
2020-12-17T03:06:11Z
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@brandon It may not be the worst problem, but I notice being able to only have one "timeline" per user encourages users to become single-topic to attract the most audience. I'd rather have several timelines to put different subjects in.
(DIR) Post #A2HMiG0fnhOhisRx1E by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T03:11:28Z
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@sjb Huh...that's not something that even crossed my mind. That's a very interesting point. There are some platforms that allow for that that are social in nature, but none that do so in a meaningful way that still makes you feel like you're in a community.It's still just personal corners where you're displaying everything all the time.Mastodon does this right with lists and being able to pin multiple lists to your home layout
(DIR) Post #A2HMvapFieeQ2wT0XA by sjb@mstdn.io
2020-12-17T03:13:53Z
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@brandon Well, Twitter and Mastodon's lists let you have multiple topics for people you're following, but I also want multiple topics for my own posts! So people could follow only my tech stuff, or only personal stuff, or only random stuff...
(DIR) Post #A2HN1Gmb9PgDcdvrGa by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T03:14:42Z
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@sjb Ah okay so you're actually talking about bringing it one step further. I seem to remember a social media platform that allowed that
(DIR) Post #A2HN20lSC064EPkarw by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T03:14:54Z
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@sjb lemme see if I can find it
(DIR) Post #A2HN7TQb37qCZtbDvM by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T03:16:01Z
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@sjb Got it! It's called Scuttlebutt:https://scuttlebutt.nz/about/
(DIR) Post #A2HNTANEZbKJqxN1uq by sjb@mstdn.io
2020-12-17T03:19:57Z
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@brandon Thanks, that looks cool. I'd even been wondering about writing my own - with the main features being multiple topics and P2P/self-hosting (i.e. no centralisation at all). Perhaps Scuttlebutt satisfies those criteria too.
(DIR) Post #A2HNXTT9WDhwEdC1i4 by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T03:20:43Z
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@sjb Scuttlebutt IS P2P and self-hosted :D
(DIR) Post #A2HNb898jpZxGIZkX2 by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T03:21:24Z
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@sjb Although there are still relay servers. They help immensely for on-platform discovery. In a good way though?
(DIR) Post #A2HRQ7bWoTbuDBrOBE by tjb@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T04:04:14Z
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@brandon most social media--fb, twitter, instagram, etc.--isnt really about bringing people together, helping people solve problems, or any of the other pr bs they feed everyone. It's just about collecting user data so they can sell ads. and the more people that use those social apps the more ads get served and the more money they make. Moreover, some of the social apps, fb in particular, aren't great platforms for real social engagement . They end up just being echo chambers.
(DIR) Post #A2HTcz5Lzu6fSo4WBM by edel@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T04:28:57Z
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@brandon All the times I've "left" social media, it was because I spent too much time on it. Tumblr, Facebook, Instagram... I don't like you can easily go down a rabbit hole and scroll endlessly... I guess Mastodon is not so different but it's easier to tune out the noise and I find a lot of the content here having a bit more... Depth, I guess?
(DIR) Post #A2Hsg6fckbjci8cf2G by tychi@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T09:09:38Z
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@brandon trolls, bots, and shills, in no particular order
(DIR) Post #A2I3GDJUWpmTHS7shM by person@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T11:08:15Z
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@brandon Nothing. I only exist in Reddit and Mastodon both of which are pretty good from my experience. I use social media because it makes it very easy for me to find like minded people and hang out with them.
(DIR) Post #A2I5c3btU96DSwHFj6 by Aaron_troetcafe_@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T11:34:36Z
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@brandon Toxicity and arrogance. The latter being the main reason (after privacy)I left everything besides Mastadon and Reddit(teddit). People act like they are liberal and accept people on these platforms but really just lie to themselves.
(DIR) Post #A2IBhzA5XLk38DTuYy by turtle21@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T12:42:53Z
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@brandon I left many years ago because I realized that Facebook and sites similar only created pseudo engagement with others; nothing really organic was happening and meaningful conversation felt impossible to either create or sustain on that platform.
(DIR) Post #A2ISr0AEsTeG4FR9U0 by VictorVenema@bonn.social
2020-12-17T15:54:57Z
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@brandon @michel_slm @unicornfarts @wizzwizz4 Or how about people powered advertisements?When Twitter stopped with political advertising I was thinking of a system were people who support candidate X, organization Y or issue Z could sign up to occasionally tweet out a message of X, Y or Z.As climate scientist there are certain messages I would like people to know, but telling my followers that every week does not help. Better team up with other scientists.They have money, we have people.
(DIR) Post #A2IVqRx0NkyNopfwB6 by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T16:28:30Z
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@turtle21 Good answer, I like the way you phrased that
(DIR) Post #A2IVu2rNbvyZ9xl5s0 by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T16:29:09Z
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@Aaron_troetcafe_ There may some true liberals but yeah, for some they're liberal until you disagree with them
(DIR) Post #A2IVwdfDkIufssJ9lo by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T16:29:39Z
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@person Glad your experience has been more positive than for others :)
(DIR) Post #A2IWmN9wM21rkqLTOa by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T16:38:57Z
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@tychi Very succinctly put :)
(DIR) Post #A2IWovTDl3KgkOa6Ns by Seirdy@pleroma.envs.net
2020-12-17T08:46:42.227416Z
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@brandon What I don't like: using it requires social interaction, and I don't like that.Why I use it: I'm starved for social interaction anyway. Like seriously I've never met anyone IRL who shares my interests.why am i like this
(DIR) Post #A2IWovnQXvUnl42Esa by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T16:39:28Z
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@Seirdy I hear you. It's a lot easier to meet people like you online than IRL
(DIR) Post #A2IWv6ngXuH3cm6LxI by kambing@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T05:23:01Z
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@stardenver @brandon this is also my reason. People use it as a coping mechanism for their mental health issues, venting out on others online in a toxic way. They pollute political conversations with personal feelings and selfish means. I miss when respect was sexy, not "dunking" or snarking others.
(DIR) Post #A2IWv72vdET2O3EWiO by kambing@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T05:26:49Z
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@stardenver @brandon most importantly, I wish people online had more humility, and are open to learning. Everyone acts like they're the "expert" at things, when real experts are constantly questioning and play devil's advocate (in an honest way) to test their own arguments' solidity. But now it's about tribalism, "us versus them."
(DIR) Post #A2IWv7R2BbkXaoVmHw by kambing@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T05:28:38Z
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@stardenver @brandon not to mention, a lot of people online are online because the real world rejects them for their social shortcomings. That usually means being rude, arrogant, and haughty. Sometimes they don't know this is how they come off as.
(DIR) Post #A2IWv7tkSqib1rwi2q by kambing@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T05:31:47Z
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@stardenver @brandon i hate all the oversimplification that goes on. The tribalist thing going on breeds a lot of hypocrisy too. They let some things slide with themselves or someone on the same side of their beliefs when they would normally mercilessly insult someone else for it. I hate the strawman arguments.
(DIR) Post #A2IWv8HV2XiWDX3g48 by kambing@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T05:34:35Z
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@stardenver @brandon People keep resorting to strawman arguments because they're too excited to crush the other at winning arguments. And that's what it's about now. "Winning" and "arguments." Things might start out as a peaceful discussion, but people are so wired to "win" now and "be right" that they don't notice they're being royal assholes. Instead of being there to listen and contemplate the other side, they're there to only force their own ideas on the other.
(DIR) Post #A2IWv8vYdblADlnfVI by kambing@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T05:40:16Z
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@stardenver @brandon people don't seem to understand that you have to speak carefully if you talk about a different point of view. You're literally challenging their beliefs, and if you don't respect their sanity by being too fucking blunt, you're the asshole.
(DIR) Post #A2IWv9qzC5hH5sfX16 by kambing@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T05:42:07Z
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@stardenver @brandon it can be painful for people to realize they're wrong or don't know everything. You're changing what they know is true: it gives the "my whole life is a lie" feeling. If you're an asshole about it, the whole thing feeds into pain. It's assholey to be the one pouring pain on someone.
(DIR) Post #A2IWvAAq0HZo5RxNxY by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T16:40:03Z
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@kambing Hey can you send me this in an email? It'll be easier for me to digestlinuxliaison@fastmail.com
(DIR) Post #A2IXCUfT3oEIZSY0oK by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T16:43:42Z
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@edel I can agree with that. Everything is chronological here, and there's no special algorithm elevating "more engaged-with" content to the top just to try to increase engagement over time.Also, there's very little in the way of "trending" so there's less bandwagoning
(DIR) Post #A2IXNCRb9jflEjAJNY by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T16:45:38Z
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@tjb Yup, that's very true, in more ways than you would think too! Groups means that more people of the same idea will flock together, then only the content that fits the hive mind will be elevated to the top by the engagement algorithms, and then on top of that, the folks who disagree or who see a problem are often shunned and then removed from the group, furthering the echo chamber
(DIR) Post #A2IXb3TPJ2WRT5cNxQ by tychi@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T16:48:08Z
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@brandon quit reddit in 2016; it's impossible to recall all the transgressions, so i needed an epitaph for the tombstone when I visit the grave site 😅
(DIR) Post #A2IfOwY01vGU97VAnY by brightneighbor@fosstodon.org
2020-12-17T18:15:35Z
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@brandon Most people I've seen there believe conspiracy theories very easily without any prior research or thinking, They take that info for granted!I did leave and it felt like hell because deleting the account wasn't easy, and the app/site tries to get you engaged so that you don't leave it, and suddenly people started DMing me 😑 I'm very happy that I left most of em, I only have some accounts on idle but I only use them If I had to contact my family or close people.
(DIR) Post #A2PkIVlmXGghEiQ7KS by gergely@social.polonkai.eu
2020-12-21T04:13:24Z
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@brandonDoes “social media” mean “sites operated by tech giants”, or any social media apps, Fediverse included?
(DIR) Post #A2Pl452lCpVsFM2oiW by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-21T04:22:03Z
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@gergely Any social media. Including anything that connects to the fediverse, as well as parler, scuttlebutt, email, and any of the other sites with some social features like pinterest, goodreads, deviantart, etc
(DIR) Post #A2Qh5Ci5yukjehcQim by evelynyap@mastodon.sandwich.net
2020-12-21T06:22:37Z
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@tychi @brandon The thing I hate the most, other than the shallowness, is people [that I know] #oversharing and revealing their ugly side, all the while thinking they're being all good and righteous.I just deleted my personal #Facebook account yesterday. Unannounced. Should've done it last year. #Twitter, I hardly use it anymore, but maintain it to reach out to some companies. Unfortunately, private companies are using #socialmedia for #customerservice / #support.
(DIR) Post #A2Qh5Cvv9VoOLa5TGq by brandon@fosstodon.org
2020-12-21T15:12:09Z
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@evelynyap @tychi That's a very good point. As much as I want to see the "real" side of people, not every thought, idea, and opinion is as precious as some folks would like to believe.Good on you for getting rid of that Facebook account :) It's a hefty weight off your shoulder!