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(DIR) Post #A24m9jmO0f3xEUb4Vs by fikran@islamicate.space
2020-12-11T01:23:44.245105Z
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#FreeBSD has another opportunity to actively market and capture the former #CentOS market. Specifically, it needs to be make a strong case against switching to Ubuntu, which theoretically should be easier.Winning points:PerformanceDevelopment stability (ie, its not going to radically change tomorrow)Code you're deploying WILL workClean and easy to maintainWeak points:Lack of modern container orchestration systemLess ready-to-go Googleable guidance documents - this is where creating more documents or transition-plan documentation might go a long wayMoot points:the license - often irrelevant in most use-casesZFS - Linux has that too nowsystemd - If they're coming from CentOS, systemd was likely not an issue to begin with anyways...
(DIR) Post #A24mPy88QCCuNGVe52 by icedquinn@blob.cat
2020-12-11T01:28:20.905055Z
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@fikran zfs won't ever be in linux by default because of shenanigans?
(DIR) Post #A257svYv97ylqSgiq8 by Agris@tailswish.industries
2020-12-11T05:16:06.853594Z
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@icedquinn @fikran I don't think the kind of business who uses CentOS is the kind that would switch to FreeBSD for better support of a better filesystem. In my experience the businesses who choose CentOS do so because they need to run some server software more reliably than Windows can, but don't want to pay for RHEL but fall prey to their marketing, otherwise they would be using Debian/Devuan. I don't think merit on it's own would get them to switch, it's just that Windows Server is so painful (and expensive). CentOS is the corporate-friendly linux distro with marketing, and Ubuntu is the 'I googled Linux and Ubuntu was the first thing that came up' distro.It is really a shame OpenZFS is under the CDDL, but what's more a shame and more fixable is getting OpenZFS on Linux's ARC better integrated with the Linux memory manager and not fighting against the Linux filesystem cache. That's reason on it's own to use FreeBSD's ZFS instead of Linux's.Compiling OpenZFS and installing it on Linux is not a problem, especially for non-systemd distros. It's really easy actually. Also, Debian packages zfs, but you probably want to compile or use the backports version anyways since stable is a bit old, which means on Debian ZFS is only an apt-get away.
(DIR) Post #A257sviqYDv2LFKeJM by icedquinn@blob.cat
2020-12-11T05:28:51.530827Z
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@Agris @fikran > non-systemd distroswhich is almost all of them these days.
(DIR) Post #A257ugFt1oWGwzcYnw by icedquinn@blob.cat
2020-12-11T05:29:12.153285Z
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@Agris @fikran (specifically: you have to very much go out of your way to not be running systemd these days.)
(DIR) Post #A2593AfVw5b3XxDjSS by Agris@tailswish.industries
2020-12-11T05:40:05.068351Z
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@icedquinn @fikran I use Devuan and Gentoo personally. I didn't select the systemd system profile when I installed and I don't have to worry about it. I switched from Debian to Devuan when Jessie came out so I didn't have to go out of my way to avoid systemd. Instead of upgrading to Jessie I just apt dist-upgraded to Devuan's equivalent. There are guides on Devuan.org's install page on how to do that under 'migrate to Devuan'.
(DIR) Post #A2593AyIoEcqUE0jk8 by icedquinn@blob.cat
2020-12-11T05:41:56.137891Z
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@Agris @fikran Devuan has a very tenuous existence; very few coredevs and they were begging upstream (Debian) to maintain some of the stuff for them that upstream wanted to deprecate now that they are systemd.Void and Alpine seem to be independent though.
(DIR) Post #A2599GYUxgaNXeqT0C by icedquinn@blob.cat
2020-12-11T05:43:02.096155Z
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@Agris @fikran My only real complaint with Void is they have been sitting on their thumbs wrt. updating Nim, despite two people handing them updated package files, and they won't tell anyone why it isn't suitable to be merged. It's just complete radio silence for several months.A different package's update was approved immediately :blobcatdunno:
(DIR) Post #A259nGec0x35QmmMqG by Agris@tailswish.industries
2020-12-11T05:48:45.583501Z
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@icedquinn @fikran I wouldn't trust Void. If you recall they almost lost the entire project because one person vanished. They don't seem to have their own infrastructure either and are dependant on Microsoft's. "Stable rolling release" What even is that? Either your stable or your rolling.
(DIR) Post #A259nGqfI8gq2APzd2 by icedquinn@blob.cat
2020-12-11T05:50:16.136327Z
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@Agris @fikran if suse wasn't systemd i'd still be using it. they have a high degree of shit-togetherness.
(DIR) Post #A25ALxF8AxkjMeOtG4 by icedquinn@blob.cat
2020-12-11T05:56:32.297495Z
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@Agris @fikran > stable rolling releasemight be a reference to only allowing official releases. the system itself is still a rolling distro, but they don't accept updates to random git commits.
(DIR) Post #A25AR1UZnygHzU2evY by icedquinn@blob.cat
2020-12-11T05:57:27.401292Z
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@Agris @fikran in the most egregious rolling case, Arch was pushing Anki 2.x while anki was shouting at people it was not a stable release stop packaging it.
(DIR) Post #A25xmd645B7MSFVd7w by AMDmi3@fosstodon.org
2020-12-11T10:07:19Z
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@fikranDon't even think about this. CentOS is about stability, e.g. install once and forget for 10 years. #FreeBSD doesn't have that, even closely. Undermaintained quarterly branch which lives for 3 months? All Qt packages broken for 11.x? Firefox package disappearing from the repository for weeks? DRM package broken for 12.2? That's the stability FreeBSD currently provides.