Post A1dL3HoP8TA0j2K2nw by skullhoney@spinster.xyz
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(DIR) Post #A1dL3FHiX1pEt50uZs by macha@spinster.xyz
2020-11-27T16:56:43.649840Z
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Yesterday’s “The Gay Spot” discussion from the LBG Alliance is up on YouTube.Worth watching soon as I suspect there will be a big campaign to get it taken down. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESLURet1PFg&feature=emb_logo
(DIR) Post #A1dL3FsELH24iK64US by the_trunchbull@spinster.xyz
2020-11-27T18:32:11.913571Z
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@macha I love the LGB Alliance, but they’re so soft and squishy and nice. “No debating ‘trans’ people’s existence … the issue is with self-ID.” Feels a bit (a lot) weak. :blob_sweat:
(DIR) Post #A1dL3GOUPKpwKNBplw by Yhe_XX_Estate@spinster.xyz
2020-11-27T18:47:25.145716Z
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@the_trunchbull @macha I began watching. Yes, Self-ID is a big issue, but it’s under “Gender Identity” which is based in contradictions, lies, and manipulation. All of these ‘trans’ people are not truly trans. There are AGPs, other fetishists, and child molesters hiding under the umbrella because they see access to women and girls. We will never get “Gender Identity” banished without debating the tough stuff.
(DIR) Post #A1dL3HCTPUoqpOZkgK by the_trunchbull@spinster.xyz
2020-11-27T18:50:44.069231Z
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@Yhe_XX_Estate @macha And let’s not forget that AGPs and transmaxxers get themselves diagnosed all the time; jettisoning self-id doesn’t fix that problem. Then there’s the fact that we throw other LGB people under the bus when we pretend there’s a “true trans” or that “dysphoria” diagnoses are valid (“Some of them are mentally ill enough that it’s reasonable to poison them and cut bits out of them.”) Seems to ultimately play into the genderist narrative.
(DIR) Post #A1dL3HoP8TA0j2K2nw by skullhoney@spinster.xyz
2020-11-27T19:11:50.046839Z
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@the_trunchbull @Yhe_XX_Estate @macha Perhaps not any more or less reasonable than a woman who wants to put water balloons in her chest and inject gels in her wrinkles or dye her gray hair - I’ve done all three- as long as everyone stays grounded in reality. Cosmetic fixes for dysphoric reactions to material reality are cosmetic (how’s that for a mantra ha.) The material reality part is the valid part, not the treatment. Admitting one is aging and doing superficial fixes has no reason to get one’s age changed on government or medical documents. Part of treatment for mentally ill people should be admitting x makes you feel better but y is immutable.
(DIR) Post #A1dL3IHTOOPeBBvG76 by the_trunchbull@spinster.xyz
2020-11-27T19:16:12.730369Z
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@skullhoney @Yhe_XX_Estate @macha But they’re not just cosmetic or superficial. Consider what wrong-sex hormones actually do to the human body (esp. the female body), the dangers of hysterectomy, oophorectomy, etc., what a phalloplasty/metoidioplasty/vaginoplasty actually is, stuff like chronic pain from mastectomy (even if all goes according to plan in surgery). Human bodies were not meant to withstand “transition.” It’s not like dyeing your hair at all.
(DIR) Post #A1dL3IhhorOdUYCD0C by skullhoney@spinster.xyz
2020-11-27T19:30:49.368080Z
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@the_trunchbull @Yhe_XX_Estate @macha Agreed. There are deeper risks trying to attain cosmetic fixes, to differing degrees, and the hormone thing is deeper and has limited testing behind it. I didn’t mean to directly compare hysterectomy to dying your hair. Patients need to be informed of all risks going forward, like with cosmetic surgery. Most of these consequences with SRS treatments will emerge on the current guinea pigs years down the road. (Silicone breast implants had scary, unexpected consequences for many- even silicone shells of saline implants degrading can cause autoimmune diseases that aren’t quite understood.)An ethical plastic surgeon is supposed to not go forward with surgery if the consultation assessment reveals deeper mental issues patient expects surgery to treat, and that expectations have to be realistic. Affirmation neglects that aspect, too. Dysphoria never should have been taken out of the DSM.
(DIR) Post #A1dL3J6WKbFIjVo1gG by the_trunchbull@spinster.xyz
2020-11-27T19:39:40.740414Z
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@skullhoney @Yhe_XX_Estate @macha Dysphoria is still in the DSM, and I want it taken out because the diagnosis legitimizes the “treatment” … but that’s a whole other can of worms.
(DIR) Post #A1dRKfRR8NXgevFakq by grimauld@spinster.xyz
2020-11-27T19:50:48.335101Z
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@the_trunchbull @skullhoney @Yhe_XX_Estate @macha It bothers me that people describe such completely different experiences as dysphoria. I’m happy to believe that some people aren’t just influenced by culture, and have a neurological condition of some kind; human brains are weird and can cause all sorts of peculiar experiences (I’m reminded of things like the Capgras delusion). But there’s a leap from that to the current treatments, plus so many people really do just seem to be describing their struggle with stereotypes and expectations, or even just generalised depression.
(DIR) Post #A1dRKfhk9kaPTUscAi by the_trunchbull@spinster.xyz
2020-11-27T19:56:27.940625Z
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@grimauld @Yhe_XX_Estate @macha @skullhoney Yes - look at the actual DSM criteria. “A desire to be,” “an incongruence,” “gender gender gender.” It means almost nothing, so anything can be mapped onto it. And to the extent it does mean something, it means “the patient wants …” and the want is never explored, just capitulated to. As you point out, people with depression etc. can decide that their own feelings fit the criteria and then go into a psychiatrist who says “do you want …?” and the patient says yes, and then they’re given what they want. That’s not medicine.(DSM: https://cdn.website-editor.net/30f11123991548a0af708722d458e476/files/uploaded/DSM%2520V.pdf)