Post A1dAblugcw8QQuVBw0 by hyperlinkyourheart@mastodon.art
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(DIR) Post #A1cm02RuIjQ7oWW0Uy by elilla@queer.party
2020-11-27T12:45:50Z
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we have a fortunes-off file so you can print offensive quotes at login time. No distro I know of comes with a fortunes-supportive file that lists encouraging, calming quotes.You can make sudo(8) insult users when they type their passwords wrong ("Defaults insults" in sudoers). There's no option to make sudo be gentle and understanding when you mistype.I grew up in free software circles and only really learned any emotional skills after growing out of them.
(DIR) Post #A1cm02dFcYUiNhp4BE by elilla@queer.party
2020-11-27T12:53:16Z
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When my lil dictionary is updating the db, it shows a minimal ascii animation of a steaming coffee mug, and goes like ‘X, done… Y, done… All done! $0 is ready to use, enjoy!’ In modern computers this doesn’t even take time anymore, but this little detail is by far what I got most praise on it (2nd most praised is the fact that it’s ‘pretty’, that I took care with colours and Unicode etc. in a cmdline app).more cuteness and gentleness in sofware pls#linux #foss
(DIR) Post #A1cm1v5GehpXYBp4xE by flop@eldritch.cafe
2020-11-27T12:59:30Z
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@elilla very relatable, i use the fish shell mostly because the default login message says it's friendly (“Welcome to fish, the friendly interactive shell”), i don't use any of its features 😅makes me thing of this website: https://computecuter.com/
(DIR) Post #A1cm1vFC3nlo2yT0QS by elilla@queer.party
2020-11-27T13:04:56Z
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@flop yass fish good!! the featureset is actually elegant and powerful, it’s so refreshing coming from bash/zsh, but the fact that it makes a deliberate effort to be friendly and welcoming is what sets it apart for me. (also pretty!) things like sane powerful defaults and readable consistent syntax seem like no-brainers nowadays, but cp. to bash; they make a lot of difference to new users, & if nobody new is learning to use shells where will the command-line be?#fishShell
(DIR) Post #A1cm1vUR97xmoFbBBY by elilla@queer.party
2020-11-27T13:10:30Z
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It’s a shame that the only decent command-line we have is the Linux/Unix ecosystem. There are reasons it is the way it is, mostly the fact that most hobbyist devs are programmers/engineers (way too few designers, writers, sensibility readers etc., & the precious ones we have get too little respect).But a cmdline could be all of: - fully i18n - discoverable - consistent - documented - cute& the fact that ours isn’t is taken to be an essential limitation of cmdlines…
(DIR) Post #A1cm1vdearKtGpuXYG by cantinto@outerheaven.club
2020-11-27T13:12:02.943348Z
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@elilla i18n?
(DIR) Post #A1cm4ETJXj28GBAnmy by cantinto@outerheaven.club
2020-11-27T13:12:30.125912Z
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@elilla but also yea more documentation and comfiness pls
(DIR) Post #A1cqEPmwiqog4QT0DY by elilla@queer.party
2020-11-27T13:17:06Z
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@cantinto short for "internationalisation" (there's 18 letters between the other 2).There’s no technical reason why a command-line would require ppl to learn English to use it; why using characters not from English feels like taking a risk (and Unicode astral planes, like extreme sports); why it’s so hard to setup input to multiple languages; why column align code messes up if you use Asian full-width chars… it’s just ethnocentric, colonial values embodied in software.
(DIR) Post #A1cqEPzLyik0guGuYa by elilla@queer.party
2020-11-27T13:20:46Z
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@cantinto For recent examples that happened to me: Wayland breaks user-level custom keyboard settings (e.g. from xmodmap(1) ) – silently, your settings just stop working – without substituting it for anything else (last time I looked at least).kitty(1) breaks non-English language input. in github the dev was super blunt and said kitty will never have it, use something else.coding this stuff is work, but when they’re unwilling to take patches…
(DIR) Post #A1cqEQM2cMtBpGt1v6 by cantinto@outerheaven.club
2020-11-27T13:59:08.657733Z
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@elilla oic
(DIR) Post #A1ctXrPIYqb55nMyps by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-27T14:36:16Z
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@elilla It's not just free software.They way my parents were raised, they were never praised or told that they did something well. Silence meant they did something well. They only got feedback when they did something wrong.
(DIR) Post #A1dAblJoq0e0aZFkTA by elilla@queer.party
2020-11-27T13:30:14Z
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@flop yass fish good!! the featureset is actually elegant and powerful, it’s refreshing coming from bash/zsh, but the way it makes a deliberate effort to be friendly and welcoming is what sets it apart for me. (also pretty!) things like all features ready out-of-the-box, or readable consistent syntax, seem like obvious nowadays, but cp. to bash; they make a lot of difference to new users, & if nobody new is learning to use shells where will the command-line be?#fishShell
(DIR) Post #A1dAblYLxyGpJe3M7k by tobbsn@cybre.space
2020-11-27T16:10:39Z
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@elilla @flop do you think it would be better to introduce people starting to learn linux-stuff to fish instead of bash? I haven't used fish yet, but after reading these toots I watched some videos and it looks like it takes down a lot of the barriers to learn the command line, especially the autocomplete stuff with the flags or the syntax check while typing.My hestitation would be "But bash is everywhere, it's much more universal!", but reading your toots, this more and more seems like a bad thing anyways...
(DIR) Post #A1dAblugcw8QQuVBw0 by hyperlinkyourheart@mastodon.art
2020-11-27T17:42:13Z
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@tobbsn @elilla @flop I too am intrigued about fish after hearing a lot of people talk about it recently. I only switched to zsh from bash recently and have found that a huge improvement, so I'm curious to see how much better things could be! Bash may be the norm now but it doesn't have to be that way forever
(DIR) Post #A1dAbm75so3l3OJ6H2 by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2020-11-27T17:47:25.405914Z
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@hyperlinkyourheart @tobbsn @elilla @flop Fish shell is awesome. I've been using it since ~2013, back when it would crash a lot. The history, type-ahead highlighting, dir stacking (hit alt->left/right to go to previous directories) .. it's all really good.It might not be a good starter shell as most tutorials are in Bash and things like $(echo foo) in fish are (echo foo), but it does provide you useful error messages when you try to use bash syntax.
(DIR) Post #A1dLM8KibN0upUQLKa by carcinopithecus@x0r.be
2020-11-27T19:47:49Z
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@wolf480pl @elilla reminds me of how i just recently told a coworker to never send me an email saying "thank you" ever againbecause every time i see that inbox icon...
(DIR) Post #A1dTsyewOBFI143Sy0 by elilla@queer.party
2020-11-27T16:17:34Z
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@tobbsn @flop :lazer_Y: :lazer_E: :lazer_S: :blobrainbow: we unfortunately live in a world where bash is the standard (for now :owobread: ) , so there's no way around that. but if I was going to teach beginners the command-line, I'd start on fish, get them a firm footing, then at some point have a discussion about other shells (good point to talk about diversity in linux, pros & cons) and show how to install fish when u get a system with bash.
(DIR) Post #A1eXxzsFtUAECqtLLE by reto@pleroma.labrat.space
2020-11-28T09:42:17.995389Z
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@elilla you do realize that this is a form of humor and not missing social skills aye?While you obviously don't like it there are lots of people who like dark humor... heck more or less the whole of Britain, look at the Monty Python gags ;)