Post A1OOe2H3NNDizhtdhY by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
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(DIR) Post #A1OOOGYyTwReg4l8r2 by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T14:41:11Z
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Tumblr is losing its collective shit over the ending of Supernatural and the fact that, apparently, the grand finale was just "and then one day, one of them accidentally died pointlessly and went to heaven, the end."I do not watch or care about this show, and I'm still annoyed on behalf of the people who co.
(DIR) Post #A1OOe2H3NNDizhtdhY by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T14:44:04Z
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If there's anything the past two years has managed to teach us, it's that a bad ending can completely ruin something, undoing years of empathy building and decimating fan communities. Any story has a handful of memorable moments, but the beginning and ending, it seems, are key. And it doesn't matter how good the journey was, a weak ending will leave an audience with a bad taste in their metaphorical mouths.
(DIR) Post #A1OOrvJI43bJRyZ5E0 by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T14:46:34Z
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This happens repeatedly right now. Rise of Skywalker, the final part of the Star Wars sequel trilogy, was such a nonsensical mess that it's the first Star Wars movie ever released, which I didn't feel compelled to re-watch. And knowing that this is where it's going, makes me care a lot less about the original stories.The same is true of Game of Thrones which, practically overnight, went from being a pop culture phenomenon to being just... nothing.
(DIR) Post #A1OOw7d8CVxWonqbFQ by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T14:47:20Z
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I should formalise these thoughts somewhere. I feel like it's a thing that's worth some commentary.
(DIR) Post #A1OPdgXAIz4dWSpTRQ by hache@kitty.town
2020-11-20T14:55:10Z
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@InvaderXan hey, uh, would have appreciated a CW on that spoiler.
(DIR) Post #A1OSgr9zYMhhD7C5DM by frostotron@tenforward.social
2020-11-20T15:29:03Z
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@InvaderXan Its even worse because they've really strongly established that death is impermanent. Characters get rescued from hell, heaven, and purgatory multiple times.I haven't watched the show in years but that's maddening.
(DIR) Post #A1OTdncMMqXRJEZKjY by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T15:40:02Z
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@ljwrites I've seen a few video essays about this, and yeah, this is the kind of sentiment that most people share on this. Like, at some point writers became less focussed on telling a good story and more focussed on trying to outsmart their own audience. Which just makes the whole thing unsatisfying for everyone involved.Like, honestly, who cares if a couple of randos on reddit figured out your big season 5 reveal. That means they care. Let them have the joy of seeing it actually happen.
(DIR) Post #A1OU3f9QT8SkZzMsKG by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T15:44:43Z
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@frostotron I guess maybe the super hell that you get sent to for being gay doesn't count among those or something. It says a lot about this show when that one character comes out as gay and then vanishes into a black bag and is never seen again.Also FFS, didn't Dean like, fight God or something? And then he gets killed by a rusty nail or whatever while fighting some generic monster-of-the-week? Really?
(DIR) Post #A1OUG0Wwo4pMMTFxhI by mood@jorts.horse
2020-11-20T15:46:55Z
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@InvaderXan @ljwrites it’s funny, too, because i find myself marathonning old tv shows all the time. not even “good” ones. and, a few years from now, no one is going to know that the story they are watching was contorted into idiocy by its contemporary online fan communities. they’re just going to see something that’s bad. permanently skewering your own creation because of netizens is such a weird way to make stuff
(DIR) Post #A1OUYbIGrPBDaqG1Oi by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T15:50:18Z
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@mood @ljwrites Totally. I used to sometimes re-watch old Game of Thrones because, despite its more problematic aspects, it was an interesting story with complex characters. But after watching all those characters being so badly ruined, I just... don't want to anymore?There are some series where you can just set an arbitrary end point and pretend that nothing happens after that. But others go so spectacularly wrong that just... ugh
(DIR) Post #A1OUussWA5jwVApy7s by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T15:54:19Z
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@ljwrites Exactly this!Like him or loathe him, there was an interview with George R. R. Martin where he explains how he found a post on Reddit where some people had figured out a big reveal which he hadn't even written about yet. He went on to explain that no, he wasn't going to change anything about his plans, because that would "mess up the whole book." Meanwhile the writers of some series will re-write entire episodes just to make the fan theories be wrong. It's just a shitty thing to do.
(DIR) Post #A1OUvt3eylUZLgWk6K by MmeLibertine@laserdisc.party
2020-11-20T15:54:29Z
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@InvaderXan @mood @ljwrites I think this happened with Lost, too. that's the first time I can remember watching something and fully understanding oh, the creators don't know shit about this, they're just doing anything they can to seem mysterious and smarter than their audience
(DIR) Post #A1OUyZpwtokkbWOePo by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T15:55:01Z
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@ljwrites If I was writing any kind of ongoing series, I would LOVE to have a fanbase who were that invested in my work.
(DIR) Post #A1OVLf8BNkc5gSvv0a by benhamill@eldritch.cafe
2020-11-20T15:59:08Z
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@InvaderXan @ljwrites There's a liability thing here: If I post my idea on Reddit before it hit the writer's room, I _might_ be able to harass the production company in court about it.Which is awful and boring as an excuse, but it's the world we live in. I expect employers pressure writers around this at least a little.
(DIR) Post #A1OVdcnSnbxXeno6NM by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T16:02:25Z
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@MmeLibertine @mood @ljwrites Yeah, I never watched Lost and know very little about it, but I heard about this. I think it's a problem with Abrams' style of storytelling. Basically, he drags everyone in with some big mystery and then doesn't really know what to do with it afterwards.That seems to be part of what happened with Star Wars. They should have written a plan for how the trilogy would go. Instead of being all OMG IT'S SOOOO MYSTERIOUS 😉😉😉 WHO KNOWS WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN
(DIR) Post #A1OVjxgI44jeAMTQG0 by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T16:03:33Z
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@benhamill @ljwrites TBH, I've never heard this given as an actual reason before though?
(DIR) Post #A1OW580sqSm8IACOVU by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T16:07:23Z
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@ljwrites Totally. And it works with some stories, where even if you know the twist it's still fun to watch. It just turns into dramatic irony and you're filled with dread knowing something that the characters don't and waiting for the collision to happen.I read spoilers for Into The Spider-Verse before seeing it. A couple of twists would have been big surprises. I'd say the tension of knowing what was going to happen actually made it more impactful.
(DIR) Post #A1OWbLfhbD0bv3egsq by nev@bananachips.club
2020-11-20T15:53:18Z
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@ljwrites @InvaderXan in the case of Star Wars, it's pretty clear: a tug-of-war between two directors with dramatically different ideas about where to take the story.in the case of GoT, fans seemed to agree that the writing began to go downhill when the showrunners ran out of canon material.compare, maybe, to creative adaptations of stories where you already know how it ends, but it's told in a fresh and compelling way—e. g. for Romeo & Juliet, West Side Story, or the Baz Luhrmann adaptation.
(DIR) Post #A1OWbNYgaGaJlsO7E0 by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T16:13:11Z
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@nev @ljwrites Romeo and Juliet is an interesting one to pick out here, because even in the original version, the prologue literally tells you the ending. It's the 6th line of dialogue in the entire play. You know what's going to happen as the story unfolds and it accentuates the story's main events.Which is the diametric opposite of having a Surprise™ with a character looking directly into the camera and saying, "you didn't see that coming?"
(DIR) Post #A1OWhCDDgKuiJq7ZNw by nev@bananachips.club
2020-11-20T16:14:16Z
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@InvaderXan @ljwrites kind of like the ancient greek tragedy thing, where part of it is knowing what's going to happen regardless
(DIR) Post #A1OWlhYp4SyGhdNGIC by alpine_thistle@fandom.ink
2020-11-20T16:08:02Z
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@nev @ljwrites @InvaderXan I keep comparing the disappointments of this "extruded entertainment product" to The Old Guard, which is my current movie obsessionIt was SO GOOD because more attention was paid to the different kinds of love and affection the main characters have for each other than to "shocking the audience"Non-coincidentally, it was directed by a Black woman (Gina Prince-Bythewood)
(DIR) Post #A1OWlq2tWXmN1DVOHA by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T16:15:02Z
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@alpine_thistle @nev @ljwrites It's definitely true that the best stories are the ones which make you care about the characters. You feel the plot events more deeply if you're invested in the people they're happening to. Even if the action is more plot-driven.
(DIR) Post #A1OWwJM9P1o4osVQtU by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T16:17:00Z
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@ljwrites @benhamill Which is sad, because having a big fanfic community feels like an integral part of any impactful work of modern fiction. Anything which threatens that feels like it goes against the central point.
(DIR) Post #A1OXMWEY9CH0HsRo9Y by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T16:21:43Z
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@ljwrites I think this ties closely into what makes those cheap shocks feel so contrived and disingenuous to me. So often, they involve characters acting in ways completely contrary to what we're expecting. It's jarring. Like, if a character is well enough written that you know who they are, then you know very well when they're not acting like themselves.
(DIR) Post #A1OXVWSgfX8TbJLyeu by schratze@todon.nl
2020-11-20T16:23:19Z
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@InvaderXan I think this is more about expectations and being let down by them. A series starts out great, then goes downhill for a while, but you're still holding out for the big finale that will set everything right and make the whole journey worth it. But then the ending comes, and it's just as mediocre as the couple episodes that came before. I think this is what happened with Star Wars, GoT and also with Sherlock. It's not just about the ending. The ending isn't bad, or at least not considerably worse than the story's journey. It's just that you go into a story hyped, hold out through the not-as-good-parts until the end. Then when the end comes, you finally look back at the journey and see it with all its flaws.
(DIR) Post #A1OXbulrCVlYjRMsW8 by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T16:24:31Z
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@nev @ljwrites Exactly. Dramatic irony is an incredibly good writing technique when used well.
(DIR) Post #A1OXwB2yOdkb0F2HZY by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T16:28:10Z
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@schratze I disagree.Take Sherlock. The ending was clearly forgettable seeing as I don't remember it at all. It hasn't changed my appreciation of the story at all, and I can still watch the first episodes with more or less the same level of appreciation I once had.With GoT, the ending most certainly was considerably worse than the story's journey. What was once a consistently built story with rules and consequences dissolved into a complete mess. That's what I mean.
(DIR) Post #A1OY3MP0ZkmuFRlfCS by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T16:29:29Z
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@schratze There are a plethora of stories which fit what you're describing. I'm not talking about those.I'm talking about the story where the ending genuinely is so bad that it ruins things and even undoes key points in the overall story arc due to poor writing and lack of planning.
(DIR) Post #A1OY9ry28BGBsmFpFA by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T16:30:39Z
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@ljwrites @benhamill I've heard Anne Rice loves to bully her fans like this...
(DIR) Post #A1OYIE2tvYwMfsW1kO by alpine_thistle@fandom.ink
2020-11-20T16:32:09Z
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@InvaderXan @nev @ljwrites also it takes actual creativity and sensitivity (rare skills!) to make a movie in which every fight scene advances characterization and relationships, rather than just being there as a bloody spectacle
(DIR) Post #A1OYLbVV9h0CJ6VJqK by schratze@todon.nl
2020-11-20T16:32:45Z
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@InvaderXan Yeah, I can see that. I have experienced both of those series a bit differently from most people (including you, I assume?). They started out great, but with a few issues, and as they went on (Sherlock season 3 and 4, GoT season 6 and 7) the issues gradually weighed more and more than the good stuff. I'm with you in that I don't even remember the ending of Sherlock. In GoT, I think the last season was by far the weakest. But I still enjoyed the final developments of the characters and the world itself.
(DIR) Post #A1OYWPB7KknbFu7V5c by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T16:34:43Z
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@ljwrites Yeah. Like, when someone was lying the whole time, it's difficult to move past that.This can work really well in a story if it's carefully executed. Like those times where this one innocuous character was the villain the whole time. But that's difficult to do. Too much foreshadowing and it becomes obvious. Too little, and it just feels like another Shock™ twist. But when it's done properly, damn, it's always a gut punch.
(DIR) Post #A1OZ0xEpGT9BZsQCp6 by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T16:40:15Z
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@schratze With GoT in particular, it isn't development. It's un-development.Jaime Lannister is the best example of this. We learn relatively early on that he sacrificed his honour, killing the king. He's constantly shamed and reminded of it. But he did this purely to save the lives of innocent people. To then have him casually remark that he doesn't care about those same people, while going back to his abusive ex, makes no sense and undermines his entire story.
(DIR) Post #A1OZAtucU8aw9siHUO by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T16:42:02Z
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@ljwrites A lot of it is terrible, make no mistake 😂 but it's non-canon. I mean damn, just let people enjoy the thing you created. Even if you don't like what they're doing with it. These authors should focus on the fact that they inspired someone!
(DIR) Post #A1OZWtolW6NQEiSrjc by frostotron@tenforward.social
2020-11-20T16:45:41Z
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@InvaderXan Yeah they fight and kill *everything*. Even stuff that isn't hostile.I didn't see any part with a gay character coming out, but I've only seen like half of the show. That's fucked up.
(DIR) Post #A1OZXT0gfli3NpJNg0 by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T16:46:08Z
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@alpine_thistle @nev @ljwrites IMO, both fight scenes and sex scenes should follow one simple rule – if they can be removed without affecting the plot or the character arcs, then they should not be there at all.It's why I liked Mad Max: Fury Road. Like, the whole movie is an action scene, but that action scene is full of visual dialogue. It's show-don't-tell taken to the extreme.
(DIR) Post #A1OZei0BKd5puHWoj2 by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T16:47:25Z
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@ljwrites IMO, predictable often just means that people are paying attention and your story makes logical sense.
(DIR) Post #A1OZngY66SaW0TfkmW by alpine_thistle@fandom.ink
2020-11-20T16:49:02Z
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@InvaderXan @nev @ljwrites also these days I think sufficiently sophisticated physical effects (as opposed to CGI) get more of a pass if they don't advance anything and are just there to be cool. Mad Max is also an example of that
(DIR) Post #A1OZrEqp1eHnGG7oVk by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T16:49:42Z
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@frostotron It's a big final season event. Tumblr has been going wild over how poorly executed it was all month long. I'll just leave it at that.
(DIR) Post #A1Oa8q53rMvfeMB5fs by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T16:52:53Z
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@alpine_thistle @nev @ljwrites Mad Max was interestingly written though. Like, most movies will have a script with vague descriptions of action sequences, which is why those sequences often feel disjointed. You can go and get more popcorn and not miss much.Mad Max wasn't scripted. It was storyboarded like a comic book. If you get up for a refill, you'll definitely miss something.
(DIR) Post #A1OaBVeuFCdrBJDXxA by alpine_thistle@fandom.ink
2020-11-20T16:53:21Z
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@InvaderXan @nev @ljwrites yes!
(DIR) Post #A1OaWGI2a243b5PxUe by alpine_thistle@fandom.ink
2020-11-20T16:51:13Z
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@InvaderXan @nev @ljwrites or the little expanding bread roll that Rey eats in TFA! That was a physical effect! I can't get over how cool that was (and how disappointing the sequel trilogy ended up being compared to the expectations I had after TFA)
(DIR) Post #A1OaWGSJxoHu6yEAW8 by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T16:57:06Z
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@alpine_thistle @ljwrites The final movie just felt like they didn't know what to do with most of the characters and tried to contrive in as much fanservice as they could. I was just so disappointed.
(DIR) Post #A1Oad78qzWF9FfO7g8 by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T16:58:21Z
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@ljwrites My goal is to somehow do both at the same time!
(DIR) Post #A1OawJaevrYvMVY8ES by alpine_thistle@fandom.ink
2020-11-20T17:01:48Z
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@InvaderXan @ljwrites I didn't even bother seeing it lol. Friendship ended with the sequel trilogy; The Mandalorian is my new best friend
(DIR) Post #A1Ob64DWwZXeZyNhg0 by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T17:03:33Z
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@maloki Frankly, the ending of The Last Jedi kinda works as an ending to the entire story. You can safely skip the nonsensical third movie!
(DIR) Post #A1Ob7zg0nS234lcd5k by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T17:03:57Z
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@alpine_thistle @ljwrites A wise decision!
(DIR) Post #A1Ob9975CGsCdHpke0 by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T17:04:10Z
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@ljwrites 💚💚
(DIR) Post #A1ObfwsBj7WgE6VZom by JenLA@mastodon.technology
2020-11-20T17:10:02Z
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@InvaderXan You can probably add Mass Effect to the list. I feel like Andromeda would've been more accepted despite its flaws if fans weren't still upset at the ME3 ending. Instead it just became cool to dunk on it on twitter, which as I understand it basically killed that incarnation of the series.
(DIR) Post #A1OiBpDaK2yHTd6Eam by Anke@social.scribblers.club
2020-11-20T18:23:02Z
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@InvaderXan RE beginning and ending, there's this one tumblr post about beginning and ending of SPN in particular...https://gleefully-macabre.tumblr.com/post/635298705728307200
(DIR) Post #A1Oiw6WEKZaySGt8TI by KelsonV@wandering.shop
2020-11-20T18:31:23Z
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@InvaderXan I've seen it referred to as the "peak-end" rule, that with any sort of event, story, or experience, people will remember the high points and the ending the most.
(DIR) Post #A1Oixz01G8LhiFiZ0a by shahaan@eldritch.cafe
2020-11-20T18:31:44Z
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@InvaderXan @MmeLibertine @mood @ljwrites Abrams attempted (yes, I’m implying intent) to ruin Trek with the 2009 reboot films in much the same way. Thankfully, the franchise seems to have survived bad films time and again because the films’ successes/failures are somehow disconnected from the franchise’s stalwarts—the TV series. This is especially apparent with the new series, Discovery. I’m very pleasantly surprised with how well the series is written and produced.
(DIR) Post #A1Oj9pExMwQYv8LrCC by KelsonV@wandering.shop
2020-11-20T18:33:53Z
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@InvaderXan Same here with Star Wars. Rise of Skywalker is the first of the films that I haven't bought on home video. I even bought Solo.
(DIR) Post #A1Ok2gNO1iz9M9S70q by deejoe@mastodon.sdf.org
2020-11-20T18:43:47Z
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@InvaderXan @nev @ljwrites it's easier to raise expectations than to fulfil them?entertainment is far from the only place this is abused
(DIR) Post #A1Oo2s9cdVFthZMOwq by carcinopithecus@x0r.be
2020-11-20T19:28:38Z
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@InvaderXan @nev @ljwrites seeing xan's original couple posts got me thinking about the endings of life is strange versus mass effect 3, and wondering why the latter was so alienating (i didn't even buy me3 despite the reports of interesting gameplay) while the former was widely hated but trolled everyone and their grandma into writing a dozen fanfics to try to fix itthis talk about the buildup is a perfect answer to that
(DIR) Post #A1Ot9wDuPB7k7UYOqO by IngaLovinde@embracing.space
2020-11-20T20:25:54Z
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@InvaderXan @ljwrites See also: "we had this supervillain with their villainous motives, we spent entire previous season fighting that villain, but now we have a new supervillain, so protagonist befriends that old supervillain overnight, no explanation given". (Which seems especially popular with comic adaptations?)
(DIR) Post #A1OzhPIjul8raJ9j2e by TruculentSheep@mastodon.social
2020-11-20T21:39:13Z
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@InvaderXan I still bear the scars of Being Human Series 3, and the series' descent into liquid shit. I haven't really been able to invest in a TV series since.
(DIR) Post #A1P1eqhXmjaDbVfLUW by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T22:01:12Z
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@TruculentSheep The UK version or the US version? Because the UK version was really good until they kinda ruined everything.
(DIR) Post #A1P5LCZb9jfBSmpujI by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T22:42:28Z
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@KelsonV That's a good name for it!
(DIR) Post #A1P5pMRn0cXQm5Z5BA by shahaan@eldritch.cafe
2020-11-20T18:31:45Z
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@InvaderXan @MmeLibertine @mood @ljwrites (Sorry to ramble on but I just wanted to get this in about Abrams)What the hell was he doing with the Wrath of Khan remake (Into Darkness, 2013) when he cast Benedict Cumberbatch to play an Indian character named Khan Noonien Singh? Anyone familiar with a bit of recent history (60 years or so) of the Indian subcontinent will recognize how insulting that is. Even the 1966 original series’ producers had the sense to cast a brown-skinned actor. 🤷🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
(DIR) Post #A1P5pMfy9tsfU4CPHU by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T22:47:53Z
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@shahaan @MmeLibertine @mood @ljwrites Ehhh. Both Montalbán and Cumberbatch are Europeans. Ironic, considering Hollywood doesn't normally have a problem casting South and West Asian actors as villains.Abrams' problem is that he's incapable of making movies which don't lean HEAVILY on nostalgia. Star Trek. Star Wars. Mission Impossible. Even Super 8, despite being one of his few original stories, is full of '80s nostalgia bait. Between that and the mystery box thing, he has nothing else.
(DIR) Post #A1P628i9OIDZwBJKdc by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T22:50:14Z
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@KelsonV I found Solo disappointing for different reasons. Like, the first draft was obviously a comedy, but the remaining comedy beats no longer match the tone of the final cut. It should've just been a campy space heist movie. Like, basically Firefly but in the Star Wars universe.
(DIR) Post #A1P6Et9QYPRPRY9Gpk by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T22:52:32Z
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@carcinopithecus @nev @ljwrites I don't actually know either of those stories (though I've been meaning to play parts 2 and 3 of Mass Effect for ages). But yeah, the way I see, it's about consistency. Build some solid foundations and don't undermine them at the end.
(DIR) Post #A1P6NhZsx71q9ij6sS by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T22:54:07Z
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@IngaLovinde @ljwrites I don't mind that quite so much when it's properly done, and as long as the characters are still written consistently. Whether hero or villain, if they suddenly change character completely, it makes no sense. But if they're in a situation where it serves their best interests, well...
(DIR) Post #A1P6dbFQFsWZ9mjgsC by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T22:57:00Z
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@Anke I've never even watched this show, but damn. The final episode really did render everything completely pointless, huh?
(DIR) Post #A1P6uxGLeobaMFRchc by KelsonV@wandering.shop
2020-11-20T23:00:07Z
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@InvaderXan Yeah, it was definitely uneven. And they really tried too hard to fit *everything* in as an origin story. But I'd still rather watch it again than Rise of Skywalker!
(DIR) Post #A1P75T9pvYnsArPd4a by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-20T23:02:02Z
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@KelsonV Now you mention it, yeah, this is a problem I see with a lot of visual media, both movies and TV shows. The writers will just try to cram WAY too much stuff into a single story and end up with needlessly convoluted stories which are incoherent and impossible to follow.
(DIR) Post #A1P7YL7asub1eG875k by carcinopithecus@x0r.be
2020-11-20T23:07:14Z
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@InvaderXan @nev @ljwrites yeah, me3's ending definitely undermines what was going on in 1-2lis is interesting because you're left with 2 final choices, 1 of which is a crowning fulfilment of the buildup but at extreme cost to everything in the game world, while the other *by design* totally undermines both diegetically and thematically everything you did and experienced, but prevents the destruction
(DIR) Post #A1P7g5wZCQZqtLfbBQ by ackthrice@tabletop.social
2020-11-20T23:08:36Z
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@InvaderXan Even the community has been hate watching SPN the last few years I think. They could never do a decent ending because they've had so many false resolutions that it wouldn't matter what the stakes were, it wouldnt have any weight
(DIR) Post #A1P7pOgurjtxdtmkOe by aldersprig@wandering.shop
2020-11-20T23:10:18Z
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@InvaderXan @anke From everything on Tumblr, yeah.
(DIR) Post #A1P7s00J6o4lwf60TQ by aldersprig@wandering.shop
2020-11-20T23:10:49Z
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@InvaderXan @anke In this vein, I tend to think BSG ended halfway through its finale, and that makes it work a lot better. Also: Leverage has The Best finale.
(DIR) Post #A1P8LxdsSE7pJ8tKT2 by IngaLovinde@embracing.space
2020-11-20T23:16:11Z
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@InvaderXan @ljwrites Unfortunately e.g. Arrowverse by CW constantly features these sudden changes, which are not explained in any way, are totally inconsistent with characters and it seems that the only rationale behind them is writers thinking "now, the hero needs to defeat supervillain number N+1 who is very strong so he can only be defeated by uniting with supervillains numbers 1..N"
(DIR) Post #A1PT8xVfbv34uvKuqO by TruculentSheep@mastodon.social
2020-11-21T03:09:09Z
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@InvaderXan It was the UK version. I spoke to Americans who were in awe of the show after Series 2. Then Series 3 plopped out of my TV and over the living room floor, and I knew it was over.
(DIR) Post #A1Q5o2A31DYtTREg88 by Anke@social.scribblers.club
2020-11-21T10:22:22Z
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@InvaderXan The thing that bugs me the most is that in the buildup to the finale all of humanity was destroyed and then brought back EXCEPT for the people whom Sam and Dean knew personally and cared deeply about. I canNOT come up with an in-world explanation for that.
(DIR) Post #A1R0XAuuuDg35uGBmK by InvaderXan@writing.exchange
2020-11-21T20:57:58Z
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@TruculentSheep I do remember really enjoying the first two seasons, but I don't remember much after them. I do remember characters starting to do more and more things that didn't make any sense, seemingly just for Drama™, and that I finally lost all interest when they just killed off the main protagonists.
(DIR) Post #A1R0pYZ1j3XFe8mnvk by TruculentSheep@mastodon.social
2020-11-21T21:01:20Z
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@InvaderXan They had a winning formula, but then threw it out of the window and were left wondering why no one was watching.