Post A1Meko95VuLs9YVB3I by incognitum@liberdon.com
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(DIR) Post #A1MZyH2KuPuDkcwgYC by Moon@shitposter.club
2020-11-19T17:41:35.020883Z
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my unpopular opinion, iq is good enough measurement of intelligence
(DIR) Post #A1Ma3jgPpUnc2oISwq by cereal@shitposter.club
2020-11-19T17:42:34.545735Z
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@Moon you mean, the most likely opinion among people who know a thing or two?
(DIR) Post #A1Ma4HQINw6ggf14Xg by lain@lain.com
2020-11-19T17:42:38.991805Z
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@Moon bank account balance, too
(DIR) Post #A1Ma6lfWu3nT4VKPfU by Moon@shitposter.club
2020-11-19T17:43:06.339672Z
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@lain in some places, ZIP code.
(DIR) Post #A1Ma7xKV2AwbWi3fA8 by pony@blovice.bahnhof.cz
2020-11-19T17:43:19.983616Z
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@lain @Moon pov: you're a retarded son of a billionaire
(DIR) Post #A1Ma8wk8hShNztWV60 by coolboymew@shitposter.club
2020-11-19T17:43:30.718805Z
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@cereal @Moon I'd say IQ is probably better to be taken with a grain of salt
(DIR) Post #A1MaB7qAPajczgNijY by lain@lain.com
2020-11-19T17:43:54.175026Z
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@pony @Moon pov: you accidentally checked the correct boxes on the iq test
(DIR) Post #A1MaBnEMWXRzMb17dg by feld@bikeshed.party
2020-11-19T17:44:01.172140Z
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@pony @lain @Moon Eric?
(DIR) Post #A1MaEOtjRtColWbvyS by nerdman@kiwifarms.cc
2020-11-19T17:44:29.897651Z
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@Moon Who is smarter? Bill Gates or Toady One from Dwarf Fortress fame. I don't have the IQ numbers but I *bet* Toady One is the one with the higher IQ.And so I ask again who is smarter?I think that the right way to put this is that IQ is highly correlated to being smart.
(DIR) Post #A1MaF0okSrnYN4ZUTw by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
2020-11-19T17:44:35.154816Z
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@Moon mehsurement
(DIR) Post #A1MaI0HstM1nb0cs52 by LukeAlmighty@gameliberty.club
2020-11-19T17:45:06Z
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@Moon Yes and no.Yes, since it does measure the raw power, but no, since the ammount of soy in your blood stream can redirect all of that power into a broken loop.It's like using a state of the art gaming PC, but someone is already mining crypto on it. Specs say it is fast... but is it? :smug:
(DIR) Post #A1MaJSEoST30ZXsgmu by 9gcarz2naIwb0S3nkm.JoYo@thejoyo.com
2020-11-19T17:45:24.004662Z
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@lain @Moon this usually ends up an argument against education.I feel like if the 1% could skip education they would find a way.Instead they out spend everyone exponentially on education.sure, it probably evens out when you scale with their parents income but they didn't get rich paying more for less.
(DIR) Post #A1MaTQiywKNum4kVc0 by why@shitposter.club
2020-11-19T17:47:13.041691Z
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@pony @lain @Moon did you forget the part where the ultra rich were less than 1% of the population and only poor people are having kids
(DIR) Post #A1MaUifXhxAUiZktMG by nik@letsalllovela.in
2020-11-19T17:47:27.170088Z
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@Moon why does one even need a measurement of overall intelligence
(DIR) Post #A1MaYpw0dWrAPUQ8vY by kaikatsu@pleroma.site
2020-11-19T17:48:10.667270Z
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@nik @Moon How else am I supposed to feel good about myself if not at the expense of others?
(DIR) Post #A1MaaGdIrHm9VFLxcu by nerthos@shitposter.club
2020-11-19T17:48:27.239931Z
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@nik @Moon useful gatekeeping?
(DIR) Post #A1Maj0wWYxCJRoVxpo by nik@letsalllovela.in
2020-11-19T17:50:02.175635Z
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@nerthos @Moon domain-specific measure of intelligence can be useful imo (like splitting people up in math classes based on how good they are at math), but i can't think of any useful gatekeeping of overall intelligence
(DIR) Post #A1MajC1tLL1jpe6uEC by Moon@shitposter.club
2020-11-19T17:50:03.984875Z
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@nik the most useful measurement isn't "this person is genius" it's "this person can be expected to function independently in society"
(DIR) Post #A1MalwyFmsipzsiunY by shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu
2020-11-19T17:50:32.099347Z
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@nik @Moon uncommon opinion: generic intelligence cannot be maximised for the same reason that a good basketball player is necessarily a bad gymnast
(DIR) Post #A1Man0iFMR8NtLk40m by nerthos@shitposter.club
2020-11-19T17:50:45.126853Z
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@nik @Moon voting
(DIR) Post #A1Mapxwm6GUUBOwkYy by nik@letsalllovela.in
2020-11-19T17:51:17.564646Z
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@nerthos @Moon didnt expect this bag of worms lol
(DIR) Post #A1MatjyzxbJA23mpW4 by nerthos@shitposter.club
2020-11-19T17:51:58.398668Z
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@nik @Moon too late eat the bugs whitey
(DIR) Post #A1MauzQI2VtID09DFI by nik@letsalllovela.in
2020-11-19T17:52:12.015752Z
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@Moon overall intelligence isn't even a good indicator of that though -- for example i constantly run into very very smart people who struggle to function in society due to mental health issues
(DIR) Post #A1MavZC133rb99kJzk by lain@lain.com
2020-11-19T17:52:17.057161Z
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@nerthos @nik @Moon i doubt anyone except mensa uses iq tests for literal gatekeeping. it's still interesting to compare and correlate iq with other measures.
(DIR) Post #A1Mb15cltcTZBAtWBE by Moon@shitposter.club
2020-11-19T17:53:17.872647Z
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@nik very high iq is correlated with dysgenic adaptation traits
(DIR) Post #A1Mb3OawKqykau8Zg8 by lebronjames75@shitposter.club
2020-11-19T17:53:43.120065Z
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@nerdman @Moon bill gates is definitely luckieralso i think toady would be better in problem solvingand bill gates better at seeing what problems need solvingboth are valid in terms of who is smarter, but if you take into account how much measurable success said intellect has achieved, then obv bill gates is measurably smarter.
(DIR) Post #A1Mb8f6mMk9PG3XbZA by Moon@shitposter.club
2020-11-19T17:54:40.200712Z
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@lain @nerthos @nik incidentally I think you can maximize IQ environmentally and not really worry that much about the genetic component, which is the part that I think people worry the most about.
(DIR) Post #A1MbICz7mbmevkVqpE by orekix@anime.website
2020-11-19T17:56:22.607688Z
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@Moon @lain @nerthos @nik to think of the latter first without correcting the former is pretty gross imo, IQ has been found to vary a lot according to nutrition
(DIR) Post #A1MbQ6EclNjmJQWdNI by allison@blob.cat
2020-11-19T17:57:48.114574Z
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@nik @Moon flashbacks to godel dying out of paranoia-induced starvation because his wife was hospitalized for an extended period
(DIR) Post #A1MbjNcMMHltj5oxmK by Moon@shitposter.club
2020-11-19T18:01:17.922055Z
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@orekix @lain @nerthos @nik Absolutely, I have posted about this before. Improving things like this is insanely more effective and useful to society than creepy eugenics shit.
(DIR) Post #A1Mbn3oztzM1UJUH8C by stuff@mu.zaitcev.nu
2020-11-19T18:01:57.553941Z
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@Moon @nikHere's a historic anecdote about Landau, a physicist (I studied by his classic textbook in the university):Landau went to Crimea for a conference, while his wife remained in Moscow. Next day, he sent her a telegram: "TOOTH POWDER WONT OPEN COMMA HELP STOP LANDAU". In an hour she received another telegram: "TOOTH POWDER OPENED STOP LANDAU".https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lev_Landau
(DIR) Post #A1MboltbWK1STISS1o by nerthos@shitposter.club
2020-11-19T18:02:16.808134Z
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@Moon @orekix @lain @nik let's pioneer food loans
(DIR) Post #A1Meko95VuLs9YVB3I by incognitum@liberdon.com
2020-11-19T18:33:59Z
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@MoonThis is covered well in Brian Caplan's: "Open Boarders" https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/42867903-open-borders@orekix @lain @nik @nerthos
(DIR) Post #A1MelDqtw9FjsgC1JY by velartrill@pleroma.site
2020-11-19T18:22:16.567110Z
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@Moon psychologists would happen to agree with you
(DIR) Post #A1NGKFoYKXKMPDf6Om by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2020-11-20T01:36:09Z
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@coolboymew @cereal @Moon This. When I was really little, I had my IQ test taken and got below average. My Mom was apparently in tears, but the tester told me I got everything "right" but it didn't answer the questions the "right" way.IQ tests are mostly logic based and never take into account other forms of thinking like creativity, spatial thinking, etc.
(DIR) Post #A1NGPtbtnVAZHKQwGe by coolboymew@shitposter.club
2020-11-20T01:37:11.084962Z
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@xianc78 @cereal @Moon yeah, one of my problem with it. Also doesn't take into accounts special skills at all
(DIR) Post #A1NJB3pzn1uUW6e2YS by pernia@shitposter.club
2020-11-20T02:08:06.376260Z
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@Moon booooooo!
(DIR) Post #A1NJRmSndiWTYSles4 by LukeAlmighty@gameliberty.club
2020-11-20T02:11:08Z
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@xianc78 @coolboymew @cereal @Moon When I was a kid, a psycholog had told me and my parent's that I will be lucky if I manage to finish primary school. Now, I am at a uni, working in tech and considered somehow smart even among peers.So that is about how seriously I take the entire field of psychoogy rigjt now, including IQ tests...
(DIR) Post #A1NKE8lw03BidymGvI by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2020-11-20T02:19:52Z
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@coolboymew @cereal @Moon Even the IQ testers say that it is not recommended to be used on individuals with autism because autistic people tend to have narrow interests.
(DIR) Post #A1NnQtLRZC5JESoqhM by cereal@shitposter.club
2020-11-20T07:47:08.196877Z
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@coolboymew @xianc78 @Moon That's entirely the point, it's not meant to test skills, it tests cognitive ability.
(DIR) Post #A1NnqKen9raTB904Ia by r000t@ligma.pro
2020-11-20T07:51:42Z
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@cereal @xianc78 @coolboymew @Moon It's also heavily skewed, obviously, by a person's motivation to actually solve the various puzzles. Plenty of people I know are idiots *until* you frame a complex problem in the context of something they care about.Also, while the concept of IQ is just a little bullshit to begin with, I think we can better depict it by removing a digit, making it a scale from 0 to 20, with 80% of people falling between 7 and 13.
(DIR) Post #A1NnwrNmOjcgPf9hVg by cereal@shitposter.club
2020-11-20T07:52:51.487147Z
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@r000t @xianc78 @coolboymew @Moon Any test is influenced by your motivation to take it and do well, that is a moot point.
(DIR) Post #A1No2BesRNNakFh0yW by r000t@ligma.pro
2020-11-20T07:53:50Z
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@cereal @xianc78 @coolboymew @Moon Right, so have calibrated tests that cover a wide variety of ways to present a problem to a person, etc.
(DIR) Post #A1NoGvBjxR9i0Z5eSG by cereal@shitposter.club
2020-11-20T07:56:32.391507Z
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@r000t @xianc78 @coolboymew @Moon You're free to validate every single one.
(DIR) Post #A1NoQo7h559WzWuZkm by r000t@ligma.pro
2020-11-20T07:58:17Z
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@cereal @xianc78 @coolboymew @Moon bruh I can't even get anybody to validate *me*
(DIR) Post #A1NoXpWCIADrLUimq8 by cereal@shitposter.club
2020-11-20T07:59:35.246103Z
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@r000t @xianc78 @coolboymew @Moon poor study design?
(DIR) Post #A1Nof30SXf1rCnJlZI by r000t@ligma.pro
2020-11-20T08:00:51Z
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@cereal @xianc78 @coolboymew @Moon poor design in general, I think. Any other society would have killed me by now.
(DIR) Post #A1Nog9wGFlfYzkst6W by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2020-11-20T08:01:05.583819Z
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@r000t @cereal @xianc78 @coolboymew @Moon IQ tests are fairly scientific and interesting. They're meant to average over the curve of all people who take them. I think Peterson does the best explanation of them:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSo5v5t4OQM
(DIR) Post #A1NorQyvEE8D2QVNnU by r000t@ligma.pro
2020-11-20T08:03:05Z
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@djsumdog @xianc78 @cereal @coolboymew @Moon ^ This also means that, ideally, a person's IQ falls over time, as the population gets more intelligent *around* them. But uh.... yeah fat chance of that happening any time soon.
(DIR) Post #A1NpVsyGaFohQfUGyO by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2020-11-20T08:10:26.185120Z
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@r000t @xianc78 @cereal @coolboymew @Moon It's still the most scientific and accurate measure of intelligence we have though, with the least variability. You will rarely if ever see someone with an IQ of 70 in a University, and if they have an IQ of 70, they're going to be slow. It's stuck around because it is a good indicator of life choices and growth.
(DIR) Post #A1NqkM1NTMKBXEPCXQ by r000t@ligma.pro
2020-11-20T08:24:13Z
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@djsumdog @xianc78 @cereal @coolboymew @Moon It's the best predictor we have, and I'm not knocking it, I'm just saying that the entire population's getting fucking retardedbut also we should change the "display units". IQ in its current state imo implies a wider difference between any two individuals than really exists. I also think it'd put a stop to the "999999999IQ $thing" memes, making it more obvious it's a flat scale. literally just drop a significant digit. what's the *functional* difference between someone with 135 and 140 IQ?
(DIR) Post #A1NqpBg9LvbCuGmU6K by r000t@ligma.pro
2020-11-20T08:25:06Z
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@djsumdog @xianc78 @cereal @coolboymew @Moon least significant* i'm high
(DIR) Post #A1Ns6iZwNvXvowneW8 by fluffy@freespeechextremist.com
2020-11-20T08:39:31.239250Z
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@r000t @djsumdog @xianc78 @cereal @coolboymew @Moon >what's the *functional* difference between someone with 135 and 140 IQ?concerns about IQ aside, roughly speaking the 140 IQ guy will have about 10x as many genius offspring at 200+IQ as the 135 IQ guy will
(DIR) Post #A3M3PlaOybBKKKAJeK by yoshir@lor.sh
2021-01-18T07:20:58Z
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@MoonIQ test fluctuate wildly depending on circumstances of the test.