Post A1FpZI7YtKFaXGWHce by quad@weeaboo.space
(DIR) More posts by quad@weeaboo.space
(DIR) Post #A1FeB58MQVbnoL9AUC by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-16T09:25:43.434659Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
I'm at least hoping the Mikrotik router arrives today so I can lab with it this week
(DIR) Post #A1FmQZUqcWJNxLYuGW by cent@chaos.social
2020-11-16T10:36:00Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@quad what 10G hardware did you get/order?
(DIR) Post #A1FmQZhbr4WIavX69o by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-16T10:58:06.669981Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@cent A Mikrotik CRS326-24G-2S+RM24 RJ45 1G ports and 2 SFP+ 10G ports. Along with that an RJ45 SFP+ module from fs.com (Plus some DAC cables to hit the free shipping limit)
(DIR) Post #A1FnPEJC0ki1uK2Cky by wizard@xyzzy.link
2020-11-16T11:04:51.720373Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@quad @cent jesus, that's cheap for those specs. Is there any catch?
(DIR) Post #A1FnPEVxFIuwXu0OeG by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-16T11:09:05.760479Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@wizard @cent Mikrotik's software interface is ass.That applies to just about all Mikrotik stuff because it runs their "RouterOS". Which is very powerful, but it's essentially just linux networking, but with buttons available and a different CLI. So if you want to for example set up a switch, create a bridge, add all ports to the bridge, then hardware offload the bridge to the switch chip, then you can start messing with creating VLANs and maybe adding a VLAN interface on the bridge for the router/switch itself.So from what I've seen, something that takes 5 clicks or commands on most regular hardware will take 50 clicks on a Mikrotik device or 5-10 ridiculous console commands.
(DIR) Post #A1FnarSKnnQYVSrBbc by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-16T11:11:13.617007Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@wizard @cent But if you're familiar enough with Linux Networking to make sense of Mikrotik's interface, the hardware value of Mikrotik is extremely high.They're probably most well known among enthusiasts for making one of the cheapest and most reliable 10Gig switches out there: https://mikrotik.com/product/crs305_1g_4s_inAt least as far as switches goes. Overall they're most well known in the WISP world because of how cost-effective they are as long as you're not paying $40/hr for someone to click and type around in their interface.
(DIR) Post #A1FnsE5tt4PtdldyfA by cent@chaos.social
2020-11-16T11:11:31Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@quad @wizard Is SwitchOS any better in this regard?
(DIR) Post #A1FnsEL8yObsP2m9QG by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-16T11:14:19.380042Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@cent @wizard Don't know.From what I've seen on YouTube SwOS is very easy, but you will for example lose the ability to use the console port and it pretty much becomes a web managed only switch.But SwOS doesn't run on x86 like ROS does. And therefore I can't lab with it in a VM like i did with ROS. I've got a Mikrotik router in the mail right now so I can lab with ROS on real hardware. But SwOS I won't have access to until my 24-port switch arrives. So I can't give any personal input there.
(DIR) Post #A1FoKZD4yN8bEpW1Hk by cent@chaos.social
2020-11-16T11:16:17Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@quad @wizard Your input on SwitchOS and maybe RouterOS (assuming something changed due to the fact that it is now hardware) would be very appreciated once you got your switch. I was thinking about getting some microtik switches for my hackerspace because as you already mentioned they are very cost effective
(DIR) Post #A1FoKZMIQ6VhhPpNeS by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-16T11:19:27.738284Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@cent @wizard I probably won't mess much with it. But I'm probably going to put it in SwOS mode when I get it just to test a bit. Then likely switch it back to RouterOS before I install it, after which changing it won't be a simple affair. But I at least want to try it. Because if I buy a CSS switch in the future, those will only run SwOSI've wanted Mikrotik for ages. Their prices have been super tempting. Around 2017 or so was when I first looked into them properly, as their hEX router was a contender against my EdgeRouter-X. But all the info I found about the software-side put me off.But when it comes to 10 Gig managed switches, Mikrotik just has zero competition in that price segment atm.
(DIR) Post #A1FoR07Xpen0RCzjYO by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-16T11:20:39.484280Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@cent @wizard I mean this 8x1G and 2x10G switch for $99 is simply mind boggling: https://mikrotik.com/product/css610_8g_2s_inMost competitors start at like $150 if you want just a single 10 Gig port, and usually the switch won't even be managed at that price. Mikrotik's prices are ridiculous.
(DIR) Post #A1FouqaDrAxzXsdl68 by wizard@xyzzy.link
2020-11-16T11:21:58.113057Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@quad @cent I've got a 16 port unmanaged netgear switch that cost more than that
(DIR) Post #A1FouqiNMrULxASGo4 by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-16T11:26:02.887493Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@wizard @cent Yeah, ignoring Mikrotik I think this is currently the cheapest 10 Gig capable switch you can get: https://www.zyxel.com/products_services/12-Port-Unmanaged-Multi-Gigabit-Switch-with-2-Port-2-5G-and-2-Port-10G-SFP--XGS1010-12/Compared to the mikrotik it has two 2.5G RJ45 ports as well. But it's also like $150+. So 50% more expensive, and not even managed.
(DIR) Post #A1Fp5QSnJGoBioD5ay by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-16T11:27:57.568697Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@wizard @cent If you think my $200 switch is cheap. Check out this one: https://mikrotik.com/product/CSS326-24G-2SplusRM$139. It's basically the same hardware. But it's a CSS, meaning it only runs SwitchOS and not RouterOS. So other than lacking the console port and running some dumbed down software, it's still the same 24x1G and 2x10G switch I have.
(DIR) Post #A1FpBcd0zh9NBhwfq4 by wizard@xyzzy.link
2020-11-16T11:27:01.746702Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@quad @cent I wonder what makes the Microtik hardware that much cheaper...
(DIR) Post #A1FpBdAKznnyr3XHmK by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-16T11:29:04.379967Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@wizard @cent I think they've just really optimized their manufacturing.They'll create a single board, and use variations of it to make like 5 different switches. They also use the same case for a bunch of switches, just punch out different parts of it depending on what board is in it.
(DIR) Post #A1FpKu3TZSyHqHkQPg by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-16T11:30:45.078708Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@wizard @cent This is really easy to see. For example the back of my switch has an unused cutout for a 120/240V AC input even though it's not used on my switch. There's a fan cutout with no fan in it, and there's two more round cutouts probably used for something else.They probably make this one switch shell, then stick like 5+ different switch or router boards in it.
(DIR) Post #A1FpZI7YtKFaXGWHce by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-16T11:33:20.432970Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@cent @wizard That and you can tell they cheap out on the software. RouterOS mostly just looks like buttons for Linux's networking stack with minimal modifications.In many ways it obviously looks like they're trying to implement as few features themselves as possible. And there's obviously no user testing going on. You can tell it's an OS made by network engineers, for network engineers, who know what they're doing. With the exception of some quick setup wizards, if you can't figure out how configure stuff, then tough luck.