Post A1CeJcjUo7eerIi4eW by gassahara@mstdn.io
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(DIR) Post #A1B5BlQWuMTZx7OZvM by neauoire@merveilles.town
2020-11-14T03:59:07Z
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I'm doing a bit of research for a talk, could you send me anything relevant to paper computing, diy punchards machines, graph-paper coding, vedic mathematics, mechanical programming, and other things you have stumbled upon that you found interesting related to computerless computing?
(DIR) Post #A1B5BlixnpDmsI1Iem by onan@dobbs.town
2020-11-14T04:34:47Z
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Fluidics: "the use of a fluid to perform analog or digital operations similar to those performed with electronics."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluidicshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3-3Y8gDbPAhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MONIAChttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_integratorhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_clockhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_aqueductImagine a world in which programmable mechanical looms from the 1700s were not the start of modern computers, but fluid logic gates in ancient Rome...:jrbd:
(DIR) Post #A1B5rXCaBcFhzsn0lc by se7en@freespeechextremist.com
2020-11-14T04:42:24.000357Z
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@onan The first computer made by the Soviet Union, after Computing was no longer considered Bougiousi, was made using water.
(DIR) Post #A1BDAU6Ce8ZnYSmxDk by grumpy@grumpys.online
2020-11-14T06:04:14Z
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@neauoire these may be pretty basic but Godel Escher Bach and https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/17/science/math-physics-knitting-matsumoto.html
(DIR) Post #A1BIuu5upOajGmbkkC by zens@merveilles.town
2020-11-14T06:05:47Z
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@neauoire oh! i’ll see what i’ve got in my analogue cyberpunk tag
(DIR) Post #A1BIuuHy6aETsAFNWy by zens@merveilles.town
2020-11-14T06:31:11Z
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@neauoire here’s a big onehttps://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1wJT9IBPvnhqEB398L5V0t2uDx_PuMTLiBEVAbaBPgVU/edit#slide=id.p
(DIR) Post #A1BIuuW9FrZia8shdI by zens@merveilles.town
2020-11-14T06:37:06Z
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@neauoire macbee quicksort cards (generic name: edge punch cards. used for computerless computing)aperture cards: punch cards with a microfische in the middle- the punches are used for indexing and retrieval of the content on the film.
(DIR) Post #A1BIuus7w99jgJAFtI by zens@merveilles.town
2020-11-14T06:41:54Z
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@neauoire the drum on this electromechanical balistic comouter encodes a 2d function, with inputs fed in by the intrumentation of the bumber plane. the function determines the exact moment to drop the bomb to hit its target https://twitter.com/foone/status/1301877428998926336?s=21
(DIR) Post #A1BIuv6f46mYPNxrXs by zens@merveilles.town
2020-11-14T06:58:06Z
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@neauoire a series of gifs demonstrating various logic gates as rope and pulley systems https://imgur.com/gallery/I7wFi
(DIR) Post #A1BIuvJQIezT2xw3RA by zens@merveilles.town
2020-11-14T07:02:15Z
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@neauoire MONIAC is a water based computer that models the world economy as a set of columns of water and differential pressure systems stablizing at a equilibrium pressure. Terry Pratchet based a discworld book on it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MONIAC
(DIR) Post #A1BIuvdH6qs02XDuNc by grumpy@grumpys.online
2020-11-14T07:08:38Z
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@zens @neauoire similarly, William Gibson's Difference Engine describes a massive pneumatic computer which reminded me of the Paris Pneumatic Clock Network (the original NTP)
(DIR) Post #A1BwmUYJu8eNu2RBmi by paul@post.lurk.org
2020-11-14T14:35:18Z
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@neauoirehttp://lapinozz.github.io/learning/2016/11/19/calculator-with-caordboard-and-marbles.html
(DIR) Post #A1C4I9iraIj8FIPm1A by exquisitecorp@merveilles.town
2020-11-14T15:59:25Z
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@paul @neauoire wow this is so cool
(DIR) Post #A1CPfboxNcKZ5ZI0gK by neauoire@merveilles.town
2020-11-14T19:59:01Z
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@grumpy thanks :)
(DIR) Post #A1CVDbDqbxN4qhxWuO by xj9@merveilles.town
2020-11-14T20:59:56Z
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@neauoire this is an area that i need to spend more time reading about! used to be a keen interest of mine as a teen, but that's a complicated time.
(DIR) Post #A1CVOzu7BYfqaFAFo8 by Moon@shitposter.club
2020-11-14T21:03:16.728143Z
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@neauoire "In 1590, Spanish Jesuitmissionary José de Acosta described how the Incas carried out difficult computationsby moving about maize kernels. A Peruvian drawing from about 1615 shows a tablet,called a yupana, that might have been used for this purpose. This yupana is dividedinto smaller squares each containing one, two, three, or five dots which could bemaize kernels. Acosta explicitly mentioned the numbers one, three, and eight. Thishas led to speculations that the Incas used so-called Fibonacci numbers in theircalculations since one, two, three, five, and eight are the first such numbers. "
(DIR) Post #A1CaaStCG7ahR51Rzc by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2020-11-14T22:01:22.647510Z
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@Moon @neauoire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digi-Comp_II
(DIR) Post #A1CdI8aXIZml7iFLEW by ewankeep@mspsocial.net
2020-11-14T04:08:24Z
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@neauoire I have a few things on Vedic mathematics, Korean finger math, abacus, mental math and slide rules. I'll look up authors and links when I get back to my desktop.
(DIR) Post #A1CdK5xm1vGlYp36ki by theneko@merveilles.town
2020-11-14T04:49:11Z
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@neauoire The Three Body Problem has this really cool sequence where a general uses a million-strong army to do computations, with each soldier simulating a single bit by holding up a red or blue flag.
(DIR) Post #A1CdKO5scWRtnAypt2 by eviloatmeal@linuxrocks.online
2020-11-14T04:59:46Z
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@neauoire Maybe clocks / watches are tangent to that topic? I don't have any particular info, just a thought.
(DIR) Post #A1CdNiLbm3QpTbvJ0C by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2020-11-14T22:32:41.054089Z
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@eviloatmeal @neauoire especially the Antikythera mechanism - which was described by de Solla Price as a computerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism
(DIR) Post #A1CdOCzLqr32VYkT7A by strstr@merveilles.town
2020-11-14T05:01:43Z
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@neauoire in Stephenson's The Diamond Age, the Primer has several interesting computer-less computing stories.
(DIR) Post #A1CdOPaezy1PakIQvw by cancel@merveilles.town
2020-11-14T05:39:41Z
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@neauoire you should read Anathem
(DIR) Post #A1CdQECoIV5QrV0Twm by kandid@chaos.social
2020-11-14T06:07:02Z
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@neauoire There was an exhibition in the ZKM about Ramon Llull.As i understood Ramon Llull is working on a system to generate philosophical questions.This can be build as a „paper calculator“. Have only the German version of the booklet.https://zkm.de/en
(DIR) Post #A1CdQreTdZOHCbFczA by exquisitecorp@merveilles.town
2020-11-14T06:59:15Z
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@neauoire see coloring computers , re: @chirrolafupa
(DIR) Post #A1Cdour7NQQc5ZdHBw by zens@merveilles.town
2020-11-14T07:05:31Z
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@neauoire John Conway (of game of life fame) built his own Water computer named WINNIEhttp://nautil.us/blog/this-early-computer-was-based-on-a-urinal-flush-mechanism
(DIR) Post #A1Cdp146I4NVLZkjGC by zens@merveilles.town
2020-11-14T06:44:52Z
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@neauoire this episode of vsauce walks through the process of building and using a matchbox and bead based computer https://youtu.be/sw7UAZNgGg8
(DIR) Post #A1CdpBZJEtHfvGQnIG by zens@merveilles.town
2020-11-14T06:47:48Z
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@neauoire “the engine” from gulliver’s travelshttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Engine
(DIR) Post #A1CdwHuS3tdVcFhtKq by sankakujin@quey.org
2020-11-14T07:55:25Z
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@neauoire https://xkcd.com/505/https://arxiv.org/abs/1904.09828
(DIR) Post #A1CdwsVZzKj37pM3Ci by GustavinoBevilacqua@mastodon.cisti.org
2020-11-14T09:14:36Z
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@neauoire In 1670 Juan Caramuel wrote about "De Binaria Arithmetica": his numbers were made with "0" and "a" rather than with "0" and "1", but the concept was clear.Take a look at the whole book, you'll find good clues.https://books.google.it/books?id=KRtetV1MJnkC&pg=RA1-PR45#v=onepage&q&f=false
(DIR) Post #A1Cdy9M4q145fEW4rQ by stevelord@mastodon.social
2020-11-14T10:17:50Z
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@neauoire Charles Reids' slide on low and no-tech computing were really cool. I was thinking the other day about whether or not we could use tidal forces for general purpose computation https://charlesreid1.com/w/images/f/f1/LonoComputing.pdf
(DIR) Post #A1CdzyVC9yV8aEeSGG by schmidt_fu@mstdn.social
2020-11-14T11:18:39Z
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@neauoire The German cyberneticist Frederic Vester proposed a technique literally called "the paper computer". It was used to teach systems science, esp. to calculate how influential different variables in a #ComplexSystem are. Sadly since the concept was commercialised, documentation is a bit hard to find.Here's a German article:https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papiercomputer_(Vester)
(DIR) Post #A1Ce0zjv2oiEi91bSS by arjen@idf.social
2020-11-14T12:54:33Z
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@neauoire seen the recent book BC Before Computers by Stephen Robertson?https://www.openbookpublishers.com/product/1232
(DIR) Post #A1Ce1n5ZZ69FlUX5Vo by conatus@octodon.social
2020-11-14T13:01:38Z
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@neauoire I like this video where Matt Parker (and friends) build a logic circuit uit of 10k dominos: https://youtu.be/OpLU__bhu2w
(DIR) Post #A1CeJcjUo7eerIi4eW by gassahara@mstdn.io
2020-11-14T13:35:42Z
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@neauoire I don't know if Mechanical computers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1i-dnAH9Y4 , https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIinz4fKGpo ) qualify since they /are/ computers, and were canonical for a long time; There is also the "experiment" of Scott Aaronson (https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?m=200708) to disprove this:https://arxiv.org/abs/cs/0406056 which could be considered as an automated proof without computers (half joke)
(DIR) Post #A1CebWJfP2XKAdA7V2 by diode@cybre.space
2020-11-14T14:58:22Z
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@neauoire this blog has several articles on rod logic built from lego: https://www.halfbakedmaker.org/blog/116nice vid about a mechanical addiator: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cT8fSGHHiAsmuseum mura's curta page has some good downloads including most of the mechanical drawings for both models: https://museummura.li/content.aspx?nid=5051&groupnr=5051
(DIR) Post #A1CedYXA82CNcyRg1o by zens@merveilles.town
2020-11-14T07:09:07Z
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@neauoire more about water computers, with speculation that those lavish eurpean royal gardens with huge labyrinths and water fountains may have been secretly used as computers for political and military strategy. https://hplusmagazine.com/2013/05/10/gardens-as-crypto-water-computers/
(DIR) Post #A1CedYkdJwySIkkR1c by zens@merveilles.town
2020-11-14T07:45:51Z
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@neauoire The wikipedia article only says "ancient india" and doesn't say how far back it could go.but, the vedic game known to us as "Snakes and Ladders" is structurally equivalent to a finite state machine, so you could, in principle, implement regular expressions and program language parsers as games of snakes and ladders. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyan_chauper
(DIR) Post #A1CedrfIzz0AxjOwrI by zens@merveilles.town
2020-11-14T07:55:46Z
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@neauoire an aperiodic tile pattern in a 12th century islamic temple, using "girih" tiles, was found to be mathematically equivalent to the penrose tiling. I could go on for hours on this topic, but to relate it to THIS One, Roger Penrose used this aperiodic tiling in a mathematical proof that computers can't replicate human intelligence. https://www.nature.com/news/2007/070219/full/news070219-9.html
(DIR) Post #A1CgcHx8UV6roy7MPI by ohaisammich@nixnet.social
2020-11-14T23:08:56.290656Z
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@onan likely the most interesting thing i’ve seen on the fediverse this year
(DIR) Post #A1ChS5gXLaLWpd3STI by onan@dobbs.town
2020-11-14T23:18:15Z
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@ohaisammich Cheers! There were so many times the ancient world was only a few steps away from modern technology or modern mathematics. Example: we know ancient Greeks had ground glass lenses, they just never seem to have put one in front of the other for a telescope/microscope.This is fun to think about in a “what if” storytelling way. But more than that, it gives me tremendous confidence that some astounding solutions to real problems are at hand, it’s just that they haven’t been seen yet.
(DIR) Post #A1CisuRjLBfJkRTtSK by ohaisammich@nixnet.social
2020-11-14T23:34:21.106163Z
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@onan haven’t been seen, or are getting ready to slap us in the face. i recall some dig in egypt where the archaeologists had found a primitive battery. 🤔 i like to think that previous civilizations aeons ago were as advanced or more so than us. one can dream, aye?
(DIR) Post #A1D7eclila9Hip7IdE by ohaisammich@nixnet.social
2020-11-15T04:11:52.993968Z
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@onan i just reached out to an old colleague regarding this. he told me i need more slack. apparently he is ordained in the mysteries of fluidics, firearms, computer breakage, and dry humping portraits of captain kangaroo. give praise.
(DIR) Post #A1DBuUCGnscJaSLziC by onan@dobbs.town
2020-11-15T04:59:32Z
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@ohaisammich PRAISE!There are many paths to slack but only one shortcut. And that is to give to “Bob” that which belongs to “Bob” ...:jrbd: 💸 http://www.subgenius.com/scatalog/membership.htm
(DIR) Post #A1DCYknSVNRaeawwD2 by ohaisammich@nixnet.social
2020-11-15T05:06:50.815124Z
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@onan i just realized that once I am ordained I can legitimize my membership in the freemasons
(DIR) Post #A1EDUe7Xg9MBtzuOVk by neauoire@merveilles.town
2020-11-14T20:03:22Z
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A big thanks to everyone who've collaborated to this thread. So many amazing ideas in there, that will help me tremendously. 🖤
(DIR) Post #A1EDUeS6RhnsvlWoYi by neauoire@merveilles.town
2020-11-15T01:19:14Z
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I've collected many of the suggestions from this thread about non-electric computers on this page here: https://wiki.xxiivv.com/site/paper_computing.htmlIf you have any suggestions that you find are missing from the list, send them over :)
(DIR) Post #A1EDUehhViHRi8pGs4 by neauoire@merveilles.town
2020-11-15T16:51:43Z
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karnaugh_map
(DIR) Post #A1EDW0C36AsCeIfBCK by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2020-11-15T16:52:16.686465Z
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@neauoire I used this Wikipedia article when I started uni, that Torus graph is legit amazing
(DIR) Post #A1EULfekIaaxHMkH0i by mcz@mastodon.sdf.org
2020-11-15T20:00:06Z
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@neauoire I don't know if that's what you're looking for, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domino_computer. It's not practical, but I think that blocks falling on other blocks is a good metaphor for today's computer systems.
(DIR) Post #A1EUXtUgfywJffrwZM by neauoire@merveilles.town
2020-11-15T20:02:02Z
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@mcz I hadn't seen this one :) thanks. Added