Post A13M4BRCFhl4eFciXI by drq@mastodon.ml
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(DIR) Post #A12I6GnCigXCrQhGIy by chriswere@share.tube
2020-11-09T22:47:00.710Z
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My XMPP room: WhoWhatWere@muc.snopyta.orgMy XMPP account: ChrisWere@snopyta.org"Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol is a communication protocol for message-oriented middleware based on XML. It enables the near-real-time exchange of structured yet extensible data between any two or more network entities." -Wikipedia
(DIR) Post #A12JchUt4Hoyu89o8G by drq@mastodon.ml
2020-11-09T23:03:51Z
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@chriswere XMPP is more mature, it's frugal, efficient and standardized.Matrix is XMPP reinvented by web designers. Which means, it's the same but bloated.
(DIR) Post #A12KJE0aa9RdtnGLVw by pinkprius@chaos.social
2020-11-09T23:11:35Z
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@chriswere It was once again interesting to hear about your opinion on open-source software. Are you an anticapitalist by any chance?
(DIR) Post #A12KLNeDiNAkNDpNFg by immychan@antabaka.me
2020-11-09T23:11:55Z
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@drq @chriswere to be honest I've actually had better experiences with Matrix than XMPP
(DIR) Post #A12Kn33LsXIYbnmA1g by pinkprius@chaos.social
2020-11-09T23:16:54Z
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@chriswere XMPP does run very well on a raspberry pi at home! Even works on the old raspberry pi 1 :D
(DIR) Post #A12MRaT1AK2xmHfv6W by herag@dobbs.town
2020-11-09T23:35:24Z
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@chriswere don't forget Profanity. That is my go to XMPP app for the Commandline
(DIR) Post #A12NzxbnjQJTLmjnpg by Hawk1291@fosstodon.org
2020-11-09T23:52:57Z
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@chriswere XMPP is the best chat protocol with the absolute worst apps. Reliability leave a bit to be desired as well. Notifications fail 70-80% of the time regardless of server or client and encryption is a complete mess. forget trying to get anyone who runs an iphone to use it. there's 2 apps that are both alpha quality at best. Android has a couple apps but they are pretty much all forks of conversations. Desktop is no better situation.
(DIR) Post #A12O2Jb8wkXO81YL4q by Hawk1291@fosstodon.org
2020-11-09T23:53:28Z
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@immychan @drq @chriswere same
(DIR) Post #A12SPMhZyLvGEQoGjA by smallsees@social.dropbear.xyz
2020-11-10T00:42:34Z
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@chriswere I run both myself so I'll watch that once I'm off shitty mobile data.
(DIR) Post #A12tXrOwPkA4WVMpjE by xosem@toot.site
2020-11-10T05:46:22Z
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@chriswere I'm more of the jabber/xmpp wagon, but some techie people thinks matrix plugins ecosystem ofers more oportunities for teams and likes.BTW, 😊 set WB to "incandescent" for the next video 😜
(DIR) Post #A12w6JGRWic2h0wlOa by xosem@toot.site
2020-11-10T06:15:08Z
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@chriswere I'm more of the jabber/xmpp wagon, but some techie people thinks matrix plugins ecosystem ofers more oportunities for teams and likes.Jami, Briar, ... don't need servers (as a reference to the end of the video) and sync quite nicely (not as fine as xmpp tho). Just for reference here.BTW, 😊 set WB to "incandescent" for the next video 😜
(DIR) Post #A12xN2tBlIoImdc7wO by lazalatin@toot.kif.rocks
2020-11-10T06:29:12Z
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@drqWell... haven't seen such a biased and seemingly superficial opinion about a comparison for a long time. Maybe thats because I feel just the other way around speaking of bloated and therefore complicated software. Would you mind to elaborate on how matrix is bloated? The way I see it, it deals with many flaws of XMPP on a technical perspective. (Regarding accessability of self-hosting for example)@chriswere
(DIR) Post #A12xPScj3KljB1466a by lazalatin@toot.kif.rocks
2020-11-10T06:29:50Z
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@pinkpriusI am curious what that would matter anyway xD@chriswere
(DIR) Post #A12xYQLEuH9Ahn9z2e by SciencePhysicist@fosstodon.org
2020-11-09T23:16:42Z
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@chriswere XMPP is another service I can never convince anyone to use (and if I cant convince people to use signal or telegram, what hope does XMPP have?). I used to run a prosody XMPP server and it used virtually no resources 👍 as an aside, RE: hosting from home, I host nextcloud open to the world, but everything else I access by connecting to wireguard on my router.
(DIR) Post #A12xYQfnfparjYmP5c by lazalatin@toot.kif.rocks
2020-11-10T06:31:24Z
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@SciencePhysicistThat thing you do with wireguard is so cool. I just have the same plan for many of my services. Momentarily just too much is open to the internet 😅@chriswere
(DIR) Post #A12xpZ7rV53us84oGu by jr@social.anoxinon.de
2020-11-10T06:34:20Z
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@xosem @chriswere XMPP is also very extensible... maybe even more than Matrix, but XMPP does a fairly bad job at marketing it as a feature, maybe because there is no central company behind the whole thing that could do the marketing
(DIR) Post #A131PUYAI2SWy5Cazw by arh@hostux.social
2020-11-10T07:14:32Z
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@chriswere @ChrisWere thank you Chris.
(DIR) Post #A132gjT4BAbE6zbOe8 by jauntywunderkind420@cybre.space
2020-11-10T07:28:48Z
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@lazalatin @drq @chriswere too bad for you drq seems right.xmpp is pure & extensible, solid core, well built layers. matrix is a shitsickle of crap rolled into one. blow it matrix.
(DIR) Post #A133RlipcDqWiJPA3s by Bloodaxe@mastodon.social
2020-11-10T07:36:37Z
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@pinkprius @chriswere that was my thought as well. Seems like Matrix's Synapse servers are quite demanding.Chris mentioned in the video what would be acceptable requirements for self-hosting. A Pi 3 or 4 would be my answer, IMO. It's such an accessible piece of hardware, small and easy to set up. But Idunno, maybe there is hardware that is better for serverhosting for a similar price?
(DIR) Post #A133fxSGn1Tl9mQMQC by lazalatin@toot.kif.rocks
2020-11-10T07:40:00Z
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@jauntywunderkind420Well good day to you, and welcome.to/my-block-list 🤠@drq @chriswere
(DIR) Post #A13EJ5dxHIgjO8BjG4 by parasurv@mstdn.io
2020-11-10T09:33:05Z
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@drq @chriswere The problem is that open source devs keep reinventing the wheel, while proprietary crap like Discord gets popular, and later it's harder for them to switch to FLOSS solution.FLOSS devs are behind like 10 years atm.
(DIR) Post #A13EJ5sqNwb88J9cSu by icedquinn@blob.cat
2020-11-10T09:39:17.552597Z
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@parasurv @drq @chriswere but we already had mumble :blobcatsweats: they were literally advertising against it at the start.we could have used a good mobile app, sure, but mumble was hardly behind TS/Vent.
(DIR) Post #A13F6erL8QJknX5JGC by icedquinn@blob.cat
2020-11-10T09:48:16.150134Z
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@parasurv @chriswere @drq one of the messed up problems with things like ventrilo/ts/mumble is because they aren't centralized you need a server. and then discord (and slack, in their own silo) come by and advertise centrality "hey mouth breathers can use it with one less click!" as a big push.society is in a perpetual state of "centrality is a feature" followed by "ah shit we need to federate to preserve liberty" followed by rewinding the tape.
(DIR) Post #A13Fce1rl009UQGDTc by khaine411@social.tchncs.de
2020-11-10T09:53:41Z
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@jr @xosem @chriswere i remember back in the days, big companies (like united internet here in germany) actually had xmpp/jabber servers, but decided to shut them down eventually. I do also remember that they never advertised that feature on any of their platforms :think_bread:
(DIR) Post #A13Hgy8h86mOvWe0gq by pinkprius@chaos.social
2020-11-10T10:17:01Z
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@Bloodaxe @chriswere I would advise to use a #RaspberryPi for someone who wants to try hosting stuff at home, they are affordable, have tons of info and debugging help out there and they are quite powerful these days.
(DIR) Post #A13IMdvafJfIPAO20u by drq@mastodon.ml
2020-11-10T10:24:34Z
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@lazalatin acessbility of self-hosting?To self-host Matrix, I need to:0) have enough resources for the voracious Synapse to run1) set up a webserver2) set up Synapse3) proxy the webserver to Synapse4) get the SSL certificatesAnd then keep an eye on Synapse because it likes to crash. And also keep an eye on your traffic if it queries garbage domains, because Matrix network is a huge DDoS amplifier.To self-host a minimal XMPP server I need to:0) apt-get install ejabberd on just any machine on the Internet. A potato will do1) replace the domain name in ejabberd.yml2) get the SSL certificatesThat's it. It's working. You can register your first user and start talking.What 'accessibility of self-hosting' are we talking about here?@chriswere
(DIR) Post #A13J4C5XX7usnto6NM by lazalatin@toot.kif.rocks
2020-11-10T10:32:29Z
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@drq Okay, I see. Maybe we are taking this from very different perspectives. What I had in mind was not on how to get a server running at all, but to get a $protocol server running in a manner, where "Users" don't run away. Which will happen if you start ejabberd and state "that's it folks".What one is missing then is (at least): [1/2]@chriswere
(DIR) Post #A13J5bZKHcR87TPcNk by Bloodaxe@mastodon.social
2020-11-10T10:32:44Z
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@pinkprius @chriswere another thing when it comes to self-hosting; the software setup itself needs to be easy-medium difficulty. People don't have a lot of time in their everyday lives, so having something that is basically one-click install and just works is very important. If it's expected that privacy or sensorship-aware "regular" folks are to use these services actively at some point, they need to be easily and readily accessable 😄
(DIR) Post #A13J6jWED7YF48V8Gu by lazalatin@toot.kif.rocks
2020-11-10T10:32:45Z
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@drq 1. Group chats2. media sharing (pictures/video/speech messages)3. encryption (which is more easy to switch on in element/matrix, imho)4. consistent messaging history (I don't remember the XEPs name for that)Basically from my perspective the whole modular XEP system of XMPP is breaking accessability. One shouldn't have to know which of the thousands of XEPs one needs to have modern messaging at hand.[2/2]@chriswere
(DIR) Post #A13JMZxpVF7K46y2d6 by lazalatin@toot.kif.rocks
2020-11-10T10:35:48Z
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@drq And, in the lights of other comments: I won't go down the path of bashing either of the protocols. I find that in my case both have their flaws and their advantages against the other. I just happen to go with matrix because I like it more. Even so both protocols can be bridged, which works great! So there is no need to argument against each other more than exchanging views and opinions based on arguement not emotions. We should embrace one another when it comes to communication@chriswere
(DIR) Post #A13JbOB1br8DqsCXeC by pinkprius@chaos.social
2020-11-10T10:38:29Z
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@Bloodaxe @chriswere do you know about @yunohost? I use #yunohost and like it a ton!
(DIR) Post #A13JyqFvNWzZb7fz9M by loonycyborg@fediverse.wesnoth.org
2020-11-10T10:42:37.592852Z
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@drq @lazalatin @chriswere Webserver needed for pleroma too. Along with reverse proxy setup. Only difference is that pleroma doesn't crash :P
(DIR) Post #A13K4nPariyoVy2Px2 by drq@mastodon.ml
2020-11-10T10:43:47Z
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@lazalatin false on almost every account.Meda sharng was sorted a long time ago with HTTP upload which comes out of the box in EjabberdEncryption was sorted out a long time ago with OMEMO support which comes out of the box in Ejabberd.Messages history was sorted out a long time ago with MAM support which comes out of the box in Ejabberd.All this since at least 2014.Group chats I'm not so sure, as far as I remember you need a separate domain for that, but it's such a minimal effort to make a subdomain A record and point it to the same machine that I'm not sure if it's even worth discussing.Now, XMPP is implementing videocalls, and it does have a degree of complexity in regards to STUN and TURN, true. But I think they'll sort it eventually.@chriswere
(DIR) Post #A13KX7xg3Vd0MBUQs4 by lazalatin@toot.kif.rocks
2020-11-10T10:48:53Z
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@drq Well, for a matter of fact, I had my last experience with XMPP around 2014. I ran a prosody server at that time and as far as I remember, I had to configure/plugin each XEP for these matters separately. Maybe that has changed since then, maybe this affects ejabberd only.So what you are stating is new to me and sounds really great! If my peers would provide a user base for me in XMPP, I would give it a new try right now! :D@chriswere
(DIR) Post #A13KZldpUvCK07Sthg by lazalatin@toot.kif.rocks
2020-11-10T10:49:25Z
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@drq So thanks for sharing your knowledge with me! :)@chriswere
(DIR) Post #A13L1ixx2S0loNCwAS by Bloodaxe@mastodon.social
2020-11-10T10:53:47Z
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@pinkprius @chriswere @yunohost no, I'll check it out! Tnx 😄
(DIR) Post #A13M4BRCFhl4eFciXI by drq@mastodon.ml
2020-11-10T11:06:05Z
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@lazalatin to my knowledge Prosody is the same story.My problem with Matrix is exactly that: we already had a solid base, all we needed to do is to develop and improve software so it actually follows the specs that were already developed by people who's been working in the field for decades, on the protocol that's already sensible, especially the client software.But not giving in to NIH syndrome seems like too much work for the HN crowd, and instead of studying the prior work and focusing on the key pain points and resolving them, they chose the Javascript framework approach, the only one they apparently know. Which is to fragment the federated IM field, disperse the effort to meaningfully improve anything, and on top of that roll-out plainly incompetent system (see the DDoS amplifier bit).@chriswere
(DIR) Post #A13SDDBPjQ6KOPvglk by roland@f.haeder.net
2020-11-10T12:10:32Z
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#OMEMO is client-side encryption and other clients may do #OTR instead. But both understand #OpenGPG for encryption. When I checked the transferred files on my server (where #Ejabberd is running), they were locally encrypted, too. Very nice!And don't listen to the naysayers!
(DIR) Post #A13SQJR5nL7PYBVfwO by roland@f.haeder.net
2020-11-10T12:12:57Z
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Then why are you using #mastodon ? It is FLOSS, too.
(DIR) Post #A13SuxGUHBa9lVA2CG by roland@f.haeder.net
2020-11-10T12:12:07Z
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#Pleroma is a social network, not a chat protocol.
(DIR) Post #A13TAVnSAckBCtzyPw by loonycyborg@fediverse.wesnoth.org
2020-11-10T12:25:38.575539Z
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@roland @drq @chriswere @lazalatin tell that to @lain
(DIR) Post #A13UxiNIIHhuMRmwPQ by roland@f.haeder.net
2020-11-10T12:35:37Z
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Similar with SIP/XMPP: You can have a free-to-use account (e.g. on #linphone.org / #jabber.org ) or buy it and have professional support from the company or run your own SIP server. E.g. SIP supports no-server-calls and chats. If you know the other one's IP address and port number, you can call it directly with no SIP "server" (proxy) between you two. I don't know if conference calls are possible with SIP, you have to look that up. Also the client is loosen from the service/server. If your client "speaks" XMPP/SIP, you can use it. I use #Pix-Art Messanger on my mobile and #GAJIM on my desktop with the same XMPP account on my own #Ejabberd server.
(DIR) Post #A13VTvMzVv2zvo0Ogq by lain@lain.com
2020-11-10T12:51:45.689398Z
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@loonycyborg @roland @chriswere @drq @lazalatin indeed, we also do chats these days
(DIR) Post #A13VdqbS5j2M2kV876 by jeff@pl.i2p.rocks
2020-11-10T12:53:33.207488Z
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@lazalatin @drq @chriswere xmpp is easier to self host because you can run in practice host on a 1core vps. you cant with matrix.
(DIR) Post #A147qYUuVzRjuevbCC by icedquinn@blob.cat
2020-11-10T20:01:36.807938Z
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@roland @parasurv @chriswere @drq I looked in to the SIP protocols before. Jabber too.SIP and Jabber do basically the same things in their "complete" implementations. Although SIP is significantly more patchy about it and turns in to Jabber over time.The lowest levels of SIP implementation yes, those are point to point. I think there is a spec for routing them through other servers. There's also a spec for offline status info but that is back to requiring a server. I would be highly surprised if there was no conference mechanism given SIP is kept alive by conference and internal office phone switchboards.
(DIR) Post #A18PBZ9xvrrjW1x1Oq by lagl95@peertube.social
2020-11-12T21:34:33.639Z
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Thanks for your comparison 😀
(DIR) Post #A18lrsTWhpsYZkgIXA by marcg@video.gcfam.net
2020-11-13T01:48:42.697Z
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@drq@mastodon.ml @lazalatin@toot.kif.rocks 5GB of ram for a handful of users! How is that not bloated? An XMPP server took me like all of an hour to get going.
(DIR) Post #A1AIo4rIDMEDT8YMVM by timokoesters@mastodon.social
2020-11-13T19:32:23Z
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@chriswereIt's true that the main matrix server implementation (synapse) uses a lot of memory sometimes, but there are multiple new implementations in the works, like https://conduit.rs, which is optimized for self-hosting, so it works well on raspberry pis.Source: I work on Conduit
(DIR) Post #A1AKvKaKLI7AB9Citk by lps@masto.1146.nohost.me
2020-11-13T19:55:39Z
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@pinkprius @Bloodaxe @chriswere @yunohost I have to agree Yunohost is amazing, the XMPP server comes pre-configured. Nothing in my experience is more accessible than this, in regards to self-hosting.Not only XMPP, but Mastodon, Nextcloud, etc, etc with click to install simplicity.
(DIR) Post #A1ALTSsE21injPqtZQ by Bobo_PK@chaos.social
2020-11-13T20:01:41Z
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@lps @pinkprius @Bloodaxe @chriswere @yunohost THX I was looking for sth like this. Running an Xmpp server gives me the chance to give my friends jabber accounts and use pixart/conversations
(DIR) Post #A1Ae3IiB5cdLoYOFeq by KitKat@masthead.social
2020-11-13T23:30:35Z
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@parasurv @drq @chriswere Well, you can sit 10 more years on XMPP, or move forward.
(DIR) Post #A1AfHIJdSSn2ax9Baq by anornymorse@shitposter.club
2020-11-13T23:44:30.976406Z
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@KitKat @parasurv @drq @chriswere We have. We're using element now.
(DIR) Post #A1BgS9mJpmz2PlGc8e by KitKat@masthead.social
2020-11-14T11:32:13Z
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@jr @xosem @chriswere indeed any company building on XMPP could decide on doing that marketing.
(DIR) Post #A1Bzu7rCT9uhh2bHQO by ices@chaos.social
2020-11-14T15:09:58Z
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@Bobo_PK @lps @pinkprius @Bloodaxe @chriswere @yunohost I do run and love yunohost, too. But I would recommend to run it on a passively cooled mini pc like a nuc.
(DIR) Post #A1C2Sd3jAPxwDd2XmS by wilbr@glitch.social
2020-11-14T15:38:37Z
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@lps @pinkprius @Bloodaxe @chriswere @yunohost been running yuno for like a year now, zero regrets
(DIR) Post #A1C3mPeunYDYP9QpdY by lps@masto.1146.nohost.me
2020-11-14T15:53:33Z
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@icesOr even an oldpc you have laying around. Its cheap, since you don't need to buy anything and gives it a new life:) @Bobo_PK @pinkprius @Bloodaxe @chriswere @yunohost
(DIR) Post #A1C5ToL11AHZLrNiPA by Bobo_PK@chaos.social
2020-11-14T16:12:35Z
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@lps @ices @pinkprius @Bloodaxe @chriswere @yunohost In Germany the kWh is around 28-30 cents, so running something 24 hours can be costy. Old hardware most of the times drains more power.
(DIR) Post #A1C92IoQWMHdZgHE7U by KitKat@masthead.social
2020-11-13T23:30:01Z
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@drq @chriswere Matrix is not a reinvention of XMPP. That statement just shows lack of knowledge.Also it's not from web designers. JFYI
(DIR) Post #A1C92J0pmECyCA58SW by roland@f.haeder.net
2020-11-14T16:47:47Z
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I can understand here @ChrisWere from a user's point of view. As he said in his video, he is not a developer but a user.
(DIR) Post #A1DTpJRp8i09yaJO9A by wa__em@framapiaf.org
2020-11-15T08:20:00Z
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@lps @pinkprius @Bloodaxe @chriswere @yunohost I definitely agree
(DIR) Post #A1IGES9VUBn2e1da6a by ninesigns@birdity.club
2020-11-17T13:53:08.348685Z
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@drq @chriswere matrix has already numerous public rooms (mostly foss-related) and as a product it competes with slack. XMPP is nowhere near that. Standards are useless when nobody wants to implement them (see OMEMO+MAIM adoption for example). It remains a rather niche tool for one to one communication between geeks. Even IRC is more popular.
(DIR) Post #A1IGESOOaphROCbTJQ by sss@social.dark-alexandr.net
2020-11-17T15:38:43Z
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@ninesigns @drq @chriswere i disagree, we are using xmpp as main messaging system inside our organization, both one-to-one and rooms.matrix not usable/scalable enough yet, but promising.
(DIR) Post #A1K5F5ZBK3V2CjvWrY by iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org
2020-11-17T15:59:24Z
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I looked at Matrix protocol and what I disliked was a client had to poll a server all the time, which I think as wrong design, increasing network and CPU load without need. I didn't get deep into XMPP and how it works there. but Matrix with many users must be too heavy application for server.
(DIR) Post #A1K5F5qCIn6v3Vt7Nw by sss@social.dark-alexandr.net
2020-11-18T12:44:53Z
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@iron_bug @drq @ninesigns @chriswere most problematic part of xmpp - xml.
(DIR) Post #A1K8nBxSMh8DjgEbEu by iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org
2020-11-18T13:27:07Z
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well, it's a bit excessive, but not too much for text messages and data. Matrix uses JSON, but there's not much difference in XML or JSON processing for a programmer. but XML can be easily transformed using XSLT, while JSON is just hipster text representation, without any practical use.
(DIR) Post #A1K9C7ziErXggNBEOW by iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org
2020-11-18T13:31:05Z
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XSLT allows to do whatever transformations to data and easily build gates from other formats, including HTML. with JSON one can do nothing, it's not easily convertible to anything.
(DIR) Post #A1KKfoN4rPwO0PSvlA by sss@social.dark-alexandr.net
2020-11-18T15:38:08Z
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@iron_bug @drq @ninesigns @chriswere probably structures definiton in xml is ok, but not actual protocol which is crazy overhead like x100-x1000
(DIR) Post #A1KLkFwyMf5ieWwG4O by iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org
2020-11-18T15:52:25Z
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it's dependent on data it transmits. in modern networks with abundance of multimedia XML is nothing. of course, as a programmer I prefer binary data exchange, but web-monkeys cannot work with binary data :)
(DIR) Post #A1OyJhYcHsM9IhiN1M by tomasekeli@peertube.dk
2020-11-20T21:23:21.305Z
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a bit rambly, maybe make a script or at least a few point you want to hit on a piece of paper before recording? 16 minutes in, and i still don't quite know what you want to say
(DIR) Post #A1Puh1Tq3JVhq6wmau by heluecht@pirati.ca
2020-11-21T08:17:20Z
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@chriswere I still like XMPP because it is comparably lightweight. But the OMEMO stuff is just unusable if you are using multiple clients.
(DIR) Post #A1Pv1xnCxSFkU3zZzc by mewmew@blob.cat
2020-11-21T08:21:40.129963Z
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@drq @lazalatin @chriswere “minimal XMPP” = no message history, bad mobile performance, federation issues, inability to make MUC’s, and so many other basic features you’d expect.
(DIR) Post #A1Pv61YMuy7JJ0zHqi by mewmew@blob.cat
2020-11-21T08:22:24.980420Z
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@drq @chriswere @lazalatin also groupchats are centralized in XMPP. so calling XMPP "decentralized chat" is a bit much.
(DIR) Post #A1Pz3M70QNL610AiW0 by qrsbrwn@totallylegit.site
2020-11-21T09:06:45.083013Z
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@mewmewXMPP is decentralised, claiming it isn't because a given muc has a home server is a wee disingenuous.It is decentralised because the isn't a central authority in the network.There are protocols that are even more decentralised, sure. But we can't really move the goal posts that would be bad. @chriswere @drq @lazalatin
(DIR) Post #A1Pz9V1AE439NDMvo0 by mewmew@blob.cat
2020-11-21T09:07:50.514508Z
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@qrsbrwn @chriswere @drq @lazalatin XMPP does not have decentralized group chats. Matrix does. So comparing the two is a bit unfair - Matrix's feature is much better.
(DIR) Post #A1Q0Q5l1UpaduIILgm by qrsbrwn@totallylegit.site
2020-11-21T09:22:04.184089Z
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@mewmewBut you just managed to compare them just fine. You even managed to figure out why you think one is better.You did so without resorting to moving the goalposts so carry on. @chriswere @drq @lazalatin
(DIR) Post #A1Q0T3fNj8PII54RRQ by mewmew@blob.cat
2020-11-21T09:22:35.155918Z
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@qrsbrwn @chriswere @drq @lazalatin comparing them without keeping that in mind is unfair, I mean.
(DIR) Post #A1Q14yZf6lkrV9TZQW by qrsbrwn@totallylegit.site
2020-11-21T09:29:27.654275Z
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@mewmewKinda like saying one of them isn't decentralised you mean ;) @chriswere @drq @lazalatin
(DIR) Post #A1Q56H5IAmjz1394Yi by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2020-11-21T10:14:13.672714Z
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@qrsbrwn @mewmew @chriswere @drq @lazalatin that makes it federated, not decentralised
(DIR) Post #A1Q5K6XGBrKKLxp0dM by drq@mastodon.ml
2020-11-21T10:16:44Z
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@mewmew are you nuts? Stop spreading lies, this is not the case at least since 2014@chriswere @lazalatin
(DIR) Post #A1Q5QQvxGM03M4OGY4 by mewmew@blob.cat
2020-11-21T10:18:08.627606Z
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@drq @chriswere @lazalatin well, you got lucky with XMPP then.
(DIR) Post #A1Q5TrHDmCyfvPyF84 by drq@mastodon.ml
2020-11-21T10:18:36Z
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@HyolobrikaFederated is decentralized.Decentralized comes in two flavors: federated and distrbuted.@mewmew @chriswere @lazalatin @qrsbrwn
(DIR) Post #A1Q5bvnmps7OHD3JJ2 by drq@mastodon.ml
2020-11-21T10:20:04Z
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@mewmew what are you talking about?@chriswere @lazalatin
(DIR) Post #A1Q5bwCFMvgTV4UqQq by mewmew@blob.cat
2020-11-21T10:20:14.123837Z
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@drq @chriswere @lazalatin I'm logged in on Device A and I chat with someone. Then I got in on Device B. Is there a way for me to read the old messages? NOPE
(DIR) Post #A1Q5nTMwNI4vZHzyro by drq@mastodon.ml
2020-11-21T10:22:01Z
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@mewmewFucking YEP.It's called MAM. And it's supported out of the box in Ejabberd for a long time now already.@chriswere @lazalatin
(DIR) Post #A1Q5zdAblCE9RO1mKG by Jain@blob.cat
2020-11-21T10:24:30.463773Z
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@mewmew @chriswere @drq @lazalatin :blobcatthinkOwO: actually as i remember i never got the old messages from a direct chat, but it werks for group chats
(DIR) Post #A1Q8Hodo3AIm8cU4AK by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2020-11-21T10:49:59.518453Z
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@drq @mewmew @chriswere @lazalatin @qrsbrwn Ah okay. Yes, I was thinking of distributed. Thank you.
(DIR) Post #A1QSQYv7rmxB4S271s by chriswere@share.tube
2020-11-21T14:35:47.603Z
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@tomasekeli@peertube.dk I make rambly videos. Deal with it or don't watch.
(DIR) Post #A1QugPgkktaZmxenfU by tomasekeli@peertube.dk
2020-11-21T19:52:18.420Z
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@chriswere@share.tube heh, i make critical comments. deal with it or don't read.nah, just kidding.you have a good point, but you only get to it after about 20 minutes
(DIR) Post #A1R0Nprho44pCHIwt6 by tdemin@udongein.xyz
2020-11-21T20:56:22.548131Z
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@lazalatin @drq @chriswere > Even so both protocols can be bridged, which works great!and then they set up matterbridge, which is only good because of its superior number of protocols supported, and breaks pretty much every single feature your IM solution has
(DIR) Post #A2acKhL8dvo38XY3g8 by MiguelX413@pleroma.miguelcr.me
2020-12-26T10:05:48.978178Z
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@timokoesters @chriswere oh wow, I should check that out! Sounds cool
(DIR) Post #A36pNbvY9XE12UMARU by avalos@peertube.social
2021-01-10T23:02:00.725Z
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@heluecht@pirati.ca Agree. OMEMO is still a WIP, I hope it soon gets better support across clients, but maybe it's going to be a while until it gets usable.
(DIR) Post #A37YOOAlH1bQbgDVSa by sss@social.dark-alexandr.net
2021-01-11T07:15:51Z
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@avalos @heluecht omemo will never work properly, especially via s2s due to pubsub/pep implementation differences
(DIR) Post #A3Gz6mg7JvcCbZjRpI by qorg@devtube.dev-wiki.de
2021-01-15T20:38:56.186Z
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I use poezio, a TUI client :-)
(DIR) Post #A3ONx9D2YNrCY4LvgO by MiguelX413@pleroma.miguelcr.me
2021-01-19T10:20:09.216638Z
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10:00 I think rocket.chat makes more sense than Matrix for use in corporations and governmental organizations tbh
(DIR) Post #A5MacqjxLOFJxpwvr6 by purplepeopleeater@koyu.space
2021-03-19T09:18:20Z
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@chriswere the issue with finding a discord alternative is the voice and video streaming combined with rich chat. people have gotten used to all the nice things and are not going to switch to stuff that isn't as full featured. so as much as i believe that matrix is a little bloated i think it needs to be that way if its ever going to cut into the mainstream.
(DIR) Post #A5QoyOPrVbpmToYbQm by zergling_man@peertube.linuxrocks.online
2021-03-21T10:17:46.792Z
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btw you are right about finch being a terminal client for xmpp... Mostly. Finch is actually based on libpurple like pidgin, so it supports all the same protocols and plugins, and even shares configuration/logs/etc. Very handy when I crash my xorg.
(DIR) Post #A8OQEgqtJW0sSqnGjY by richard@peertube.social
2021-06-18T00:06:21.676Z
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@timokoesters@mastodon.social how long until it is ready? Website still says "work in progress"
(DIR) Post #AB4gB6j9FIwvxx2na4 by nicbk@video.ploud.jp
2021-09-06T05:07:01.311Z
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@heluecht@pirati.ca @avalos@peertube.social @sss@social.dark-alexandr.net PGP is a good alternative albeit being more manual