Post A0x9dOVbFhpXe032Q4 by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
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(DIR) Post #A0uyPUJTO4sTmQcdua by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T10:03:29.298990Z
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If I buy that $99 Mikrotik switch and an SFP+ to RJ45 adapter, plus some extra cheapo network cards for the Proxmox nodes :thonking:
(DIR) Post #A0uyeazKqqWCpJPI6y by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T10:06:12.481485Z
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is this what they call a... crossover cableba dum tss:blobcatrainbow:
(DIR) Post #A0uyf8F5DJitxi1pjs by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T10:06:18Z
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@quad backup NAS is no longer in the living room? o.O
(DIR) Post #A0uygaI2Q1YzEw6Sq8 by hj@shigusegubu.club
2020-11-06T10:06:34.914445Z
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@quad colonel, did you just say "nerd"?
(DIR) Post #A0uymsVfagCNU9TrEW by pony@blovice.bahnhof.cz
2020-11-06T10:07:43.483177Z
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@quad
(DIR) Post #A0uynaCj8TBr08xLoe by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T10:07:50.783660Z
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@wolf480pl The primary NAS is the one in my living room.My SG250-26 can only do four LACP groups so I I have my primary NAS in my living room so it can LACP to the UniFi Switch 8, and then the backup NAS is currently connected to the SG250-26 with a single Gbit cable.
(DIR) Post #A0uysZ26uxIgohMjfU by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T10:08:43Z
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@quad ok, so the idea is to move the primary NAS to the broom closet as well?
(DIR) Post #A0uzG8z9PjcyytE120 by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T10:13:01.098360Z
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@wolf480pl It's going to be like a $300+ investment to buy the Mikrotik switch, SFP+ adapter and extra NICs for Proxmox nodes, but the goal would be:- Get 10 Gbit uplink to NAS- E̶n̶o̶u̶g̶h̶ ̶L̶A̶C̶P̶ ̶g̶r̶o̶u̶p̶s̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶p̶u̶t̶ ̶p̶r̶i̶m̶a̶r̶y̶ ̶N̶A̶S̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶b̶a̶c̶k̶ ̶r̶o̶o̶m̶ ̶t̶o̶o̶ fuck that, finally use the 10 Gbit interface instead- Get backup NAS LACP'd- Get dedicated NICs for Proxmox management so fucking up a Proxmox LACP doesn't take the whole node offline- Moar ports
(DIR) Post #A0uzNsdS5RTiaalSqm by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T10:14:23Z
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@quad may as well move the ER-X to the broo^W back room too, right?
(DIR) Post #A0uzRF7mvdKnCuYd0q by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T10:15:00.784150Z
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@wolf480pl Problem is that I kinda want to get rid of the SG250-26 too. I didn't really like it as much. Especially since Cisco were assholes and features like automatically backing up config revisions to a TFTP server seems to be paywalled behind "buy a catalyst switch instead, noob"
(DIR) Post #A0uzaj13A9K8WHvY92 by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T10:16:44.221194Z
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@wolf480pl If the primary NAS is moved back. I don't really need an LACP uplink. So I can use one cable for a gigabit uplink and the other for WAN rather than both for an LACP.But I dunno. I need a switch there anyways to wire in my living room stuff and to plug in the access point in my living room. So might as well leave the router there too.
(DIR) Post #A0uzkVGb8XpqlzrWVs by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T10:18:28Z
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@quad btw. can you post your previous network layout as well? You posted parts of it a few days ago but I couldn't find a pic with the whole thing
(DIR) Post #A0uzmG3wdVToCJmSQK by HiveMind@social.snopyta.org
2020-11-06T10:17:32Z
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@quad i couldn't understand what this graph mean or supposed to do. :pepoE:
(DIR) Post #A0uzmHGOAj1nvCbuSW by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T10:18:49.149621Z
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@HiveMind Squares are network devices, lines are Ethernet cables, and boxes are servers
(DIR) Post #A0uzwlzCnf606QZsYa by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T10:20:42.444707Z
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@wolf480pl I don't have this kind of "wiring map" for my current setup. This is slightly outdated, but it's the gist of how my network is currently set up: https://weeaboo.space/notice/A0mVzOCjsvEX1i1wsi
(DIR) Post #A0v0D4WRePoCDztgae by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T10:23:39Z
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@quad ok, so it's missing all the "other junk", but otherwise it's correct?
(DIR) Post #A0v0HnzeX4GePQoeIK by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T10:24:31.564602Z
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@wolf480pl Proxmox nodes have two NICs each, they used to be one LACP to the switch. But that kinda sucked because if something went wrong the only way to recover was to carry a monitor and keyboard over to the server and crawl behind it to plug it in. Corosync didn't really like it either.So currently one NIC is used for corosync, and the other NIC is used for everything else. I want to get two extra Ethernet ports for every server so that I can make an LACP again, but retain a separate corosync interface. Preferrably I'd have another interface dedicated to management, so that Proxmox doesn't need an IP on the LACP and if I fuck it up there's a way to still reach the web UI. Especially since the corosync VLAN is pretty much entirely unrouted.
(DIR) Post #A0v0PBwzrIHKjp5zk0 by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T10:25:50.900453Z
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@wolf480pl It only includes servers (raspberry pis do not count as servers) and I currently use two separate 1 Gbit links for Proxmox nodes rather than a 2x1 Gbit bond.Other than those two things it's correct enough.
(DIR) Post #A0v0XnpKv1RcWhcPwG by HiveMind@social.snopyta.org
2020-11-06T10:26:52Z
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@quad WHEEEZEEEit only adds more to the confusion. :pepoE: Thanks anyway! Cheers!
(DIR) Post #A0v0Xo12DWnn6z5lAm by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T10:27:23.931166Z
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@HiveMind Yeah it is confusing. There's going to be four ethernet cables to every Proxmox node if I do this plan.
(DIR) Post #A0v1WvyxDF5bU3Gc76 by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T10:38:25Z
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@quad ok, so you want to get rid of that SG250-26 anyway, and you could have just one switch with 24 1GbE ports and 2 SFP+ ports there, right? Have you considered CSS-24G-2S-RM instead? I don't know how good mikrotik switchrs are, so it's a bit of a risk, but the 24-port one is inly 40% more expensive than the 8-port one
(DIR) Post #A0v1XNRF8AlEdbi5SK by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T10:38:30.773896Z
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@wolf480pl I can look into extending and completing this plan with everything I want to do, and also make a copy showing the current network.Just gotta finish eating my lunch first
(DIR) Post #A0v1nG14Ug60Fg2aum by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T10:41:23.847479Z
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@wolf480pl Yes, I have considered it. But I was struggling to find info about stuff like how many LACP bonds it can handle at once, or any decent way to auto-backup its config. Besides, if I'm gonna get two extra NICs for every proxmox server. I don't even know how long a 24 port would last. I'd need an extra switch, or a 48 port.
(DIR) Post #A0v3AaGvRw0Fgk8x3w by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T10:56:48Z
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@quad hmm... no Mikrotik 48-port CCS-es, only CRS-es, and these are way more expensive.Second-hand Dell PowerConnect 6248 look decent, and they have pretty good user manuals so by reading it you can figure out most of the switch'es capabilities. But I never had one so dunno about its reliability or arbitrary limitations.Also, second-hand stuff is probably a PITA to get in Norway, right?
(DIR) Post #A0v4lZoSDgJwvu1squ by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T11:14:41Z
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@quad hm... out of brand new 48-port switches, MikroTik, UniFi and Dell are expensive as fuck, and EdgeSwitch is 300 EUR non-PoE
(DIR) Post #A0v5T9xlgpFhVFATVA by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T11:22:34Z
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@quad maybe CSS610-8G-2S now, and if good, then CSS326-24G-2S next?
(DIR) Post #A0v649wKjr9w968iki by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T11:29:07.974378Z
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@wolf480pl Second hand stuff is a real fucking PITA. Especially most nerd stuff like network equipment. For example if I search Mikrotik I only get 7 results. Of which 3 are just basic HEx routers, and none of the results have any kind of 10 Gbit capabilities.
(DIR) Post #A0v671eQ0sarJ57vXc by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T11:29:48.411241Z
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@wolf480pl Yeah but if I buy a larger switch with SFP+ the whole CSS610-8G-2S purchase is rather pointless
(DIR) Post #A0v6X51e5ZmHInPmSm by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T11:34:29Z
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@quad you said 24 ports won't be enough anyway, and you could connect the two switches with a 10G link
(DIR) Post #A0v6y5UwRLsCaPzoXI by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T11:39:15.430581Z
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@wolf480pl 24 ports will be enough if I buy the CSS610-8G-2S, as storage stuff would be on that switch.If I have all my storage stuff on the main switch too, THEN 24 ports will not enough.
(DIR) Post #A0v75laOMB419ACt7I by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T11:40:46.346124Z
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@wolf480pl Also I'm done. I think I remembered to include anything that might kinda matter at least. Current setup (red devices MUST be replaced) followed by optimal future setup. (Orange devices have been replaced in plans)
(DIR) Post #A0v78pOwcynlqgJQeW by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T11:41:18Z
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@quad so yeah, my point is, once you get the 8G-2S and move all tge storage stuff to it, and then get annoyed with the cisco one, you can replace cisco's 24 port switch with mikrotik's 24 port switch
(DIR) Post #A0v7YOSzOQofqDOXVg by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T11:45:55.662545Z
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@wolf480pl Yeah but I don't even know how decent the Mikrotik switch is.
(DIR) Post #A0v8KZtAEFZpANc7VY by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T11:54:36.607916Z
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@wolf480pl For example I'm gonna be abusing the hecc out of Link Aggregation. I know SwitchOS has a software limitation of 16 ports across basically every switch. But dunno how much the hardware can actually handle without bugging out.Cisco's SG250 line does 4 groups (which is one of the many reasons I want to throw it out). The UniFi line does 6 groups. Mikrotik copy-pastes 16 groups onto every switch, even if they don't have anywhere near the 32 ports minimum which would be required for that.
(DIR) Post #A0v8YDLkpBWxJkUNt2 by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T11:57:06.990464Z
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@wolf480pl And for example if you google the 24 port model you just hit straight into a brick wall of "Nobody can fucking figure out how to send VLANs over an LACP link because SwitchOS doesn't display it properly"Mikrotik is pretty famous in the WISP world. Likely because low price allows easy setup and profitability. But as server equipment, it's pretty clear their focus isn't there.
(DIR) Post #A0v8jZjrvJ7lwPBaDI by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T11:59:10Z
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@quad lmao
(DIR) Post #A0v8lGqD9haRuTxdB2 by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T11:59:25.534084Z
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@wolf480pl I reckon the switches are decent. But whenever I look into how to do things on Mikrotik hardware, it never bodes well.It seems like everything that's 5 clicks or commands on a regular device is 50 clicks or hacks on a Mikrotik device
(DIR) Post #A0v8y8WdNu5JsqwGS8 by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T12:01:48.913502Z
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@wolf480pl I've wanted to try Mikrotik for years. Their hex router was a contender for the spot of my ER-X. But whenever I went to google and typed in "How to do <not even a particularly advanced thing> on Mikrotik router/switch" it more often than not ends in a "Jesus christ, no thanks"
(DIR) Post #A0v9LWnnI3NLpy7RVg by minus@cmpwn.com
2020-11-06T12:05:02Z
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@quad Fun fact: I'm using a Ubiquity 10G RJ45 SFP+ module and it drops connection for 5s every time I turn off the lights
(DIR) Post #A0v9LXHZVLC9KK3DvM by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T12:05:51.732516Z
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@minus That sounds more like whatever switch it's plugged into sucks extremely hard at providing stable power through its SFP+ ports
(DIR) Post #A0v9OqozJcjSnKGIyG by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T12:06:38.778062Z
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@minus Of course the Ubiquiti adapter is probably overly sensitive too. But I'm not super familiar with SFP equipment
(DIR) Post #A0vATn6WfAcOfUNuTI by minus@cmpwn.com
2020-11-06T12:13:21Z
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@quad It's in a Mikrotik CSS 326, but it was equally unreliable when used in an HP NC560SFP+ PCIe card. So I'd rather blame the module. ASUS XG-C100C on both sides worked mighty fine
(DIR) Post #A0vATns1oYcF2obqVs by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T12:18:42.327218Z
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@minus Do you have any other modules?I'm no SFP expert. But I know that being extremely sensitive to EMI or voltage fluctuations is a general thing for SFP+ modules. Many make sure every network rack has a UPS more to "clean" the power than to get battery backup
(DIR) Post #A0vAbqnKpGMIQlFdya by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T12:20:11.461215Z
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@minus In fact SFP modules with "extended voltage range" are a thing especially for this reason I think.
(DIR) Post #A0vF4RyyYWJ1gvaaUy by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T13:10:09Z
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@quad @minus also very sensitive to thermal conditions I've heard
(DIR) Post #A0vFC9ztJB3cEBh4Hw by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T13:11:33Z
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@minus @quad oh, so you have a CCS?Does that mean you can tell Quad whether it sucks or not?
(DIR) Post #A0vFPLwIDgDj1uIkFM by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T13:13:56.515526Z
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@wolf480pl @minus should you know, please tell me if dealing with stuff like Link Aggregation, VLANs and IGMP snooping sucks or not
(DIR) Post #A0vQOAAxZMObkhnTKC by minus@cmpwn.com
2020-11-06T15:15:53Z
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@quad @wolf480pl SwOS is pants-on-head retarded. VLANs work, haven't used LA and IGMP snooping (in fact I don't even exactly know what latter is)
(DIR) Post #A0vQOAQCegaaVyve5I by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T15:16:58Z
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@minus @quad AFAIK IGMP snooping is where the switch looks at multicast group management frame things that pass through it, and keeps track of who is in which group, so as not to send multicasts to all ports
(DIR) Post #A0vUG8qB37c56xVT9c by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T16:00:21.867194Z
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@wolf480pl @minus You need it with a proxmox cluster so it doesn't keep screaming across your whole network lel
(DIR) Post #A0vUNsKCL3EyCmEhwu by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T16:01:45.610647Z
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@minus @wolf480pl That sounds like about what I expected. The software and interface is what mostly scares me off from using Mikrotik.But I look into them at least semi-regularly and keep up with some of their products because the price tags are so damn tempting
(DIR) Post #A0va7SkMGjVty41tTc by minus@cmpwn.com
2020-11-06T17:02:52Z
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@quad @wolf480pl I'd love some switch hardware that just lets you access the switching matrix directly and some sane open source software built on top of it
(DIR) Post #A0va7T1jE9PMpw9lYG by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T17:05:59Z
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@minus @quad I've heard there are so called "whitebox switches" for which you can just build your own firmware. IIRC Microsoft had their own Linux distro designed for such switches.
(DIR) Post #A0vaEH2iBMwJhBrVfk by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T17:07:15.955239Z
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@minus @wolf480pl There's no decent open switch firmware afaik. There are plenty of Linux powered ones though. Like Mikrotik's stuff. My EdgeRouter also runs edgeOS (Debian) based and I can manage the switching chip from there, who knows about its actual firmware though.
(DIR) Post #A0vabB2SfgTjjcfMQa by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T17:11:22Z
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@minus @quad That Microsoft thing was SONiChttps://github.com/Azure/SONiC/blob/master/sourcecode.md
(DIR) Post #A0vb5MqpJlTv3dcVBw by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T17:16:49.733420Z
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@wolf480pl @minus Bruh, this is fantastic: https://github.com/Azure/sonic-utilities/blob/master/doc/Command-Reference.md#introduction
(DIR) Post #A0vbA7wiA6TMHJdrou by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T17:17:41Z
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@quad @minus until you look at the list of supported devices, and notice that all of that stuff is over 10k
(DIR) Post #A0vbAwOQbKLujkzhxo by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T17:17:52.301982Z
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@wolf480pl @minus Also if you like this sort of stuff.This is basically how the Ubiquiti edgerouter works, the cli interfaces are EXTREMELY simiar: https://www.ubnt.com/download/edgemax/default/default/edgeswitch-cli-command-reference-user-guide
(DIR) Post #A0vbONz5KRd24fYFFY by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T17:20:18.050050Z
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@wolf480pl @minus Yeah I looked at that. But I guess Microsoft made this thing to manage their own datacenter switches in-house for the most part, so not very surprising.The cli seems surprisingly similar to Ubiquiti's EdgeRouters though.If only you could install your preferred switch "distro" on a switch as you wished, as long as you had drivers for the switching ASIC, that'd be fantastic
(DIR) Post #A0vbUMVpiJfhFNicfA by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T17:21:22.968010Z
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@minus @wolf480pl Wrong link: https://www.ui.com/download/edgemax/default/default/edgeos-user-guide
(DIR) Post #A0vbf8tKhFNoBhqp28 by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T17:23:17Z
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@quad @minus at a quick glance it looks very similar to Dell N2048https://downloads.dell.com/manuals/all-products/esuprt_networking_int/esuprt_networking_switches_series/esuprt_networking_switches_powerswitch/networking-n2000-series_user%27s-guide19_en-us.pdf
(DIR) Post #A0vbnVI3IowVyNOsTo by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T17:24:49.182872Z
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@wolf480pl @minus The interface style itself is from a series of Cisco routers, so many manufacturers use it.But Vyatta/VyOS/edgeOS implemented it ontop of a bash shell in Linux. Which is sweet.
(DIR) Post #A0vbze5gPNT4k4P8F6 by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T17:27:01.124724Z
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@wolf480pl @minus Which is very fun, because on a Ubiquiti EdgeRouter, this is a valid command:set interfaces ethernet eth0 address dhcpBut so is this:for port in eth{0..4}; do set interfaces ethernet $port address dhcpdone
(DIR) Post #A0vcMPu9JlEBPBrrIe by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T17:31:08.011507Z
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@minus @wolf480pl Also after reading that pdf, the Dell switch mostly just looks like a clone of Cisco IOS.Microsoft's SONiC and Ubiquiti's edgeOS seem a bit more alike. Except SONiC has a "config" command while edgeOS has "set"
(DIR) Post #A0ve21YeKR3g0nDOfA by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T17:49:48Z
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@quad @minus on Dell N2048 you can also get a bash or at least busybox shell, but it requires some hax.
(DIR) Post #A0ve96KeyZiKqX2vJ2 by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T17:51:03.166731Z
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@wolf480pl @minus this is how a ubiquiti edgerouter greets you by default lel
(DIR) Post #A0veDtCnD0tRa8eKmG by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T17:51:57Z
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@minus @quad oh, btw. if you just want to access the tables, and write your own code that fills the tables with sensible stuff, there's OpenFlow.It's a protocol that allows a remote controller access the switch's tables over the network. It can also configure them to send any not-matching traffic to the controller itself, so that the controller can do the smarts and figure out new rules for the unusual packets.
(DIR) Post #A0veHVN9lEHQp9Dm1w by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T17:52:38Z
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@quad @minus very wlecoming indeed
(DIR) Post #A0veO8Yiykk662nJce by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T17:53:50.653943Z
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@wolf480pl @minus No. The EdgeRouters have a very sensible config system. It just so happens that bash ontop of Linux is its interface.You can think of it as a simplified json file kinda like nginx.
(DIR) Post #A0veVJjPq2hom4DdZI by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T17:55:09.377204Z
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@wolf480pl @minus And if you tab auto-complete twice you get a description of every option the second time
(DIR) Post #A0veVthC7mJsJbSN6W by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T17:55:13Z
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@quad @minus uh... you sure wanted to reply to this post?
(DIR) Post #A0veY80RtBibHHWhH6 by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T17:55:40.528421Z
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@wolf480pl @minus No. I wasn't sorry. Pleroma sucks at sorting replies
(DIR) Post #A0vedO29j6msQypfCC by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T17:56:34Z
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@quad @minus ok, which post were you replying to then? I'm confused...
(DIR) Post #A0vefzHIDzYiWY9Wds by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T17:57:04.735672Z
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@wolf480pl @minus I was trying to keep going with the cli interfaces thread of stuff. The "very welcoming indeed"I'm just a bit quick when clicking around
(DIR) Post #A0veiS0wM4O8E8g7tY by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T17:57:30Z
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@quad @minus are you saying it's not welcoming at all?
(DIR) Post #A0vemfP4W3lyuYyaFE by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T17:58:18.293762Z
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@wolf480pl @minus I assumed irony in your reply
(DIR) Post #A0vexWt8W0hrghDb2e by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T18:00:15.064523Z
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@wolf480pl @minus s/irony/sarcasm/
(DIR) Post #A0vgD7yT0qaB0PiHmi by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T18:14:14Z
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@quad @minus I really meant it.I really do feel welcome when I get a normal unix shell by default, as opposed to some custom locked-down CLI.
(DIR) Post #A0vgq4D8wEg8cz95o8 by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T18:21:16.950290Z
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@wolf480pl @minus Oh you have no idea.I have never felt this free while configuring a router. I even installed wireguard on mine using dpkg
(DIR) Post #A0vhHCBtNT5pCBUqNU by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T18:26:09Z
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@quad @minus To get shell on mine, I had to put a python script on a USB stick that starts utelnetd, which was on the switch but disabled by default. Then I had to add that python script as an application so that the switch executes it.The shell is a busybox ash IIRC, so not very comfy. If I wanted a better one, I'd have to cross-compile for MIPS. If I wanted a wireguard, I'd need to hope Dell left linux kernel headers around.
(DIR) Post #A0vhKUQq0wGGdc3ezo by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T18:26:49.257886Z
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@wolf480pl @minus Meanwhile, on the Ubiquiti side, here's an official knowledge base article:
(DIR) Post #A0vhanRr4ynGFXJFRY by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T18:29:46.408687Z
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@wolf480pl @minus And also, the wireguard thing isn't a hack either:
(DIR) Post #A0vhqJ7va6SOqJNuwS by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T18:32:31Z
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@quad @minus that's pretty edgy
(DIR) Post #A0vhrfDqur6jf0npq4 by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T18:32:47Z
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@quad @minus tbh. it's more of a Unix than OpenWrt
(DIR) Post #A0vi1uGdple1DXzWqW by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T18:34:38.831448Z
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@wolf480pl @minus It's basically debian with a configuration interface ontop. I love it.They even support officially modifying command templates in the config system. So if you want to add a "restart wireguard" command to its cli, they have an official guide for that kind of stuff. Although I haven't implemented it myself yet:
(DIR) Post #A0vi446gDrISJSMSvI by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T18:35:03.890672Z
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@wolf480pl @minus And as you might have realized already. It gives zero fucks if you set a custom PS1.
(DIR) Post #A0vi5Hg3Fl9cgsUGy8 by mr64bit@p.mr64.net
2020-11-06T18:35:17.133257Z
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@quad @minus @wolf480pl I still need to figure out what hackery I need to do so it’ll accept partial commands, as long as only one matches. (like VyOS and Cisco do)ubnt@ubnt:~$ sh intsh: int: No such file or directory:|
(DIR) Post #A0vi6k5L7QrJ5N0jse by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T18:35:30Z
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@quad @minus blessed
(DIR) Post #A0vi8CpXjLIGWjJuOO by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T18:35:48.762003Z
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@mr64bit @minus @wolf480pl I think that's just something they have to add.I don't think Vyatta did that. VyOS did it after forking off, but edgeOS haven't.
(DIR) Post #A0vivwAjwH77LFwrxY by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T18:44:47.980347Z
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@wolf480pl @minus The real blessing is that Ubiquiti sells these things for only 39 EUR. Or 59 with an SFP port.
(DIR) Post #A0vj1Mbd5QGglx75WK by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T18:45:43Z
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@quad @minus how much NOK is that?(today I realized 2 NOK ~= 1 PLN, way easier to convert than EUR)
(DIR) Post #A0vj9NRBsWE7fV3Gka by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T18:47:13.658496Z
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@wolf480pl @minus About 400 kr, lel. Add a zero to roughly convert EUR to NOK.So about 200 PLN. 300 PLN with the SFP port
(DIR) Post #A0vjaznNNBDIS4bA12 by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T18:52:12.525852Z
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@wolf480pl @minus Say what you will about the mediocre Web UI and whatnot. But you can't deny that it's pretty fucking hard to get more router for your money than an ER-X.
(DIR) Post #A0vqgbsPukHfgaa2xE by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T20:02:31Z
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@quad @minus >looks at netgear r6220>supported by OpenWRT >5 GbE ports>802.11ac 5HGz+2.5GHz>amazing WiFi range>2x cheaper than ER-XI mean, EdgeOS is nice, but is it 2x nicer than OpenWrt?
(DIR) Post #A0vs5WpDvsmNDFX5eq by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T20:27:19.105934Z
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@wolf480pl @minus Unfortunately I do not live in Poland.
(DIR) Post #A0vsBwsrxYBDloIcb2 by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T20:28:32.086580Z
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@wolf480pl @minus Also:>I'd say yes. I prefer edgeOS to OpenWRT>The ER-X also has exactly 5 GbE ports tho>Yeah, it's pure router
(DIR) Post #A0vsC0S4h77iprnHO4 by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T20:28:29Z
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@quad @minus oooh yeah, you don't have that one company selling 100s of barely-used r6220s :/
(DIR) Post #A0vsGHlOGx25gVrwmm by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T20:29:16Z
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@quad @minus I know edgeOS is better than OpenWRT, but is it 2x better?And then, if I pay 2x as much, I'd expect to have 2x more router, so 2x more ports as well :P
(DIR) Post #A0vsxtnKkTFy5ZZgDw by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T20:37:01.869851Z
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@wolf480pl @minus That depends on what you're trying to do.For starters I dunno if the R6220 can NAT a Gbit while running OpenWRT, so whether you get 2x the router perf I can't say.And also, the EdgeRouter-X has a managed switch chip for the ports. For example I have eth4 set up as a WAN port and the remaining ports offloaded to the switch chip, which can handle stuff like setting different vlans per port and firewall them individually rather easily, with no performance impact. Although personally I only use eth0 since I uplink it to a dedicated switch. So I'd say you're getting the same number of ports, but you're getting ports with at least 2x the features.
(DIR) Post #A0vtBHGkmYMoesiNfs by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T20:39:35Z
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@quad @minus tbh. I'd be surprised if that MediaTek could handle 1Gbit/s of NAT.As for the built-in managed switch, every router has that. Not sure if OpenWrt can set ACLs on that thing, but it can do VLANs for sure.
(DIR) Post #A0vtUHEh86fQ3coN0q by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T20:43:00.499667Z
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@wolf480pl @minus Oh yeah, one of the ports also does PoE out. So if you have an access point that uses 24V poe, like the UAP-AC-Lite you can power that straight off it.And don't forget that this is an actually new router, not a "barely used" router. I can also shave a third off the price of an ER-X even here in Norway if I want to buy a used but perfect looking one.If you're comparing prices, compare used to used and new to new.
(DIR) Post #A0vth0rzI3uL3yGOIa by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T20:45:21.435731Z
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@minus @wolf480pl And preferrably a repeatable price too, not a bulk of cheapest router available rather than a specific router.They might very well cost the same in Poland too in a few weeks. It's just as likely that someone drops a bulk of ER-X that have been sitting nicely in plastic enclosures at some point in time, since they're not super uncommon in the WISP world.
(DIR) Post #A0vuPeoq7a5Rhm4xge by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T20:53:17.168801Z
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@wolf480pl @minus Nah most consumer routers have an unmanaged switch chip.Internally they tend to have a WAN and a single LAN, wired into an unamanged switch chip, they mostly just have basic capabilities like reporting port status, speeds and maybe some client details. So OpenWRT will for example let you tag VLAN 2, but then you'll get it out on all ports. You can't for example say VLAN 1 untagged on port 1 and 3, VLAN 2 untagged on port 2, VLAN 4 tagged on all.Some consumer routers might have managed switch chips, but I'd be rather amazed if a cheapo consumer router like the R6220 has a managed switch chip instead of an unmanaged one.
(DIR) Post #A0vuW3V3Gt9HzMsGSe by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T20:54:34.999451Z
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@wolf480pl @minus Many higher-end do though. So you're right there. But I find it unlikely that the R6220 would have one.
(DIR) Post #A0vunbTaCYRcHsYSDw by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T20:57:45.255954Z
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@minus @wolf480pl blimey, it does. That's rather impressive actually.Seems quite janky to configure though.
(DIR) Post #A0vv7a7QxPv3ryilDU by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T21:01:19Z
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@quad @minus fair
(DIR) Post #A0vvJMCeWPqaBYmEhU by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T21:03:28.199483Z
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@minus @wolf480pl The EdgeRouter-X and the R6220 probably use the same MediaTek switch chip.Although with twice the RAM (Or 4x the RAM if you buy the 10-port version, EdgeRouter-10X)
(DIR) Post #A0vvdCpV57lYuEPd1E by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T21:07:03.695910Z
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@wolf480pl @minus Regardless, even if it's not a WiFi AP (which is intentional for most business routers), I find edgeOS' quality of life to be worth $10
(DIR) Post #A0vvtVTTWprnMgsoYC by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T21:09:58Z
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@quad @minus it's not the same chip, it's MT7621AT vs MT7621ST - ERX has 2 cores, R6220 has one.
(DIR) Post #A0vw2cCfsb8mqCMsIy by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T21:11:33.583215Z
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@wolf480pl @minus Holy shit, are you telling me that you actually perfectly jinxed yourself.It's literally exactly 2x the router.Same chip, but doubled, and double the RAMpoggers
(DIR) Post #A0vw9pDrsAh9FLMdiy by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T21:12:57.767375Z
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@wolf480pl @minus So the ER-X is 2x the router, 1x the switch, and 0x the WiFi APnice
(DIR) Post #A0vx2N5eAddzvDWpRw by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-06T21:22:47Z
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@quad @minus Jeez looks like you got involved a lot. I'm not trying to tell you your favourite router isn't good, or that you made a mistake buying it. Sorry if it sounded like that :D
(DIR) Post #A0vxD1EflV1ZKKpM9I by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T21:24:40.754013Z
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@wolf480pl @minus No I just like this discussion, it's fun.It's not like the ER-X is perfect. For example I currently use advanced features which cannot be hardware offloaded and because of that I'm capped at like 200 Mbit/s currently. I'm considering upgrading to an EdgeRouter-4 but they're so expensive.I have a celeron router thing from china, but it doesn't really want to run VyOS properly which is a bummer.
(DIR) Post #A0vxZ6PJDZy5jlKgIC by minus@cmpwn.com
2020-11-06T21:27:54Z
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@quad @wolf480pl This conversation would be way easier to read on IRC
(DIR) Post #A0vxZ6io35Z2iESFgO by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-06T21:28:43.287208Z
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@minus @wolf480pl don't worry, it's just pointless networking rabble
(DIR) Post #A0wQCShb3bS8tURWca by brad@weeaboo.space
2020-11-07T02:49:34.240359Z
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@wolf480pl @quad @minus Those are cheap in the US also. I've got three of them, two of them were like $20 or so (each) on eBay and found the last one for free.
(DIR) Post #A0x9dOEEIHw4m7vALQ by emersion@octodon.social
2020-11-07T11:07:22Z
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@wolf480pl can confirm r6220 is nice
(DIR) Post #A0x9dOVbFhpXe032Q4 by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-11-07T11:08:27Z
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@emersion I have 2 of those, they're great :3