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(DIR) Post #A0vRAns7HdNSleB0gC by oleg@fosstodon.org
2020-11-06T15:25:46Z
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I don't like #Trump, but the way that #Twitter treats his tweets including official statements from a White House is incredibly wrong. In my eyes they do it even worse giving Trump supporters a reason to blame #Democrats for systematic fraud and conspiracies. Should Twitter be a #censor for people's voices?
(DIR) Post #A0vRkSUqEZUstjI8rg by Johann150@fosstodon.org
2020-11-06T15:32:13Z
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@oleg isn't that one of the problems of centralised systems and why we have Mastodon?
(DIR) Post #A0vS1Ycygvq4pvFbiC by oleg@fosstodon.org
2020-11-06T15:35:19Z
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@Johann150 Indeed! But we are here almost only geeks here =)
(DIR) Post #A0vScUEhyv6TvnVYoa by bpepple@fosstodon.org
2020-11-06T15:41:59Z
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@oleg Disagree with you here, they shouldn't be amplifying calls for violence or obvious misinformation from them. A big part of why twitter is a cesspool of toxicity is because they took so long to mute the bad actors there.
(DIR) Post #A0vSvebpdhUNbXSnnE by Johann150@fosstodon.org
2020-11-06T15:34:03Z
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@oleg On the other hand the site is owned by Twitter so they are responsible for the content. So they somewhat have to regulate what is posted.
(DIR) Post #A0vSverQhhxwNulG6a by oleg@fosstodon.org
2020-11-06T15:45:26Z
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@Johann150 On another hand, he has been elected by the people, and he represents their voices and their interests. His support is still huge and jamming Trump is the same as jamming half of Americans who voted for him.
(DIR) Post #A0vTFDn73eFwDn4RHc by Johann150@fosstodon.org
2020-11-06T15:48:57Z
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@oleg The quota of people that are tech nerds is admittedly higher in the Fediverse. But there are also tons of other people.
(DIR) Post #A0vTepdRUY5Apel8gC by tsalvgi@fosstodon.org
2020-11-06T15:53:36Z
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@oleg @Johann150 elected by the people is a bit of a stretch, if we went that route then the argument equally justifies censoring him.I say get off Twitter, WH can create their own platform to get their message out regulated by themselves - like some kind of electronic plot of land navigated through an interconnected web of information.Imagine complaining that a WH member is being 'censored' on TikTok - not every platform you want to be on is right for your message
(DIR) Post #A0vTx7dfIG3zsjaKSu by Johann150@fosstodon.org
2020-11-06T15:56:55Z
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@oleg I don't have a third hand ðŸ¤. But you will still find that just because people are in the majority does not mean they are objectively right. And in cases where someone that many people believe (like POTUS) is just objectively wrong and it is posted on a website that someone else is responsible for(!), I think it is justified that the owner of the platform attaches notices to the content.
(DIR) Post #A0vUSSjAw3y4GU6fJI by oleg@fosstodon.org
2020-11-06T16:02:35Z
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@bpepple Trump is the president of the United States. The US has a constitution that regulates the presidential activity and the election process. The role of the media is to provide a platform for politicians to broadcast their points. Twitter is not even a media but it's a platform that should not give a political analysis for the information that posted there.
(DIR) Post #A0vUUPNOMnRIRxqTei by oleg@fosstodon.org
2020-11-06T16:02:57Z
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@bpepple I agree that the tweets that contain violence must be banned, but "Obvious" is a very subjective concept that totally depends on the point of the observation. In that case, it's obviously a political point XD
(DIR) Post #A0vUxGyofBMqo677rc by bpepple@fosstodon.org
2020-11-06T16:08:09Z
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@oleg Obviously you don't have any friends in the news business, since the role of the media is *definitely* not to provide a platform to broadcast their points. J schools pretty much hammer the point that it is to *inform* their viewers/readers. What you are describing is basically being a stenographer.
(DIR) Post #A0vVEU6V7cVWQuupTk by oleg@fosstodon.org
2020-11-06T16:11:15Z
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@tsalvgi @Johann150 @bpepple Guys, I don't like Trump and I don't want to stand for his side. I really hope it was his last 4 years in the presidential chair but keep in mind that #Twitter stays with us for nobody knows how long. If Twitter succeeds in using their "Objectivity" notices to shift the political balance it could be the most dangerous political weapon ever. And that could be a new age of political propaganda based not on the promotion but on the discredit of political candidates
(DIR) Post #A0vVqDfoerY6TmQYl6 by tsalvgi@fosstodon.org
2020-11-06T16:18:04Z
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@oleg @Johann150 @bpepple my apologies if it seemed I was attacking you or putting words in your mouth, it wasn’t my intention. When it comes to social media I think it has negative effects regardless of political party lines, so I agree with you. I just strongly support that politics should be removed from it and the WH branding themselves on their own website / service would be an OK start for meMy intention in my previous comment was that I find squabbling over social media ridiculous and
(DIR) Post #A0vVvngUCLfjc3Oyq8 by Johann150@fosstodon.org
2020-11-06T16:19:05Z
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@oleg @tsalvgi @bpepple At this point I can only repeat what I originally said: Of course this is a problem with all centralised systems and why we use Mastdodon instead of Twitter. But the problem of being responsible for what is shown on your site still exists and is probably the reason why Twitter does what it does currently.
(DIR) Post #A0vWGC4HFXkX1sFpPU by oleg@fosstodon.org
2020-11-06T16:22:47Z
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@bpepple Obviously, you have just gone on personality. That's sad and funny at the same time. Sad, because it makes impossible the further discussion and funny because you made your assessment even not knowing me... and you called it "Obvious". Good luck!
(DIR) Post #A0vWMomQESfypW3s8m by bpepple@fosstodon.org
2020-11-06T16:23:58Z
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@oleg Sorry, I wasn't attempting to make it personal just replying to your comment.
(DIR) Post #A0vZYDQHFcA6J2pVK4 by BalooUriza@social.tulsa.ok.us
2020-11-06T16:59:38Z
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@oleg He's welcome to start his own website if he doesn't want to play by Twitter's rules.
(DIR) Post #A0vbTctJKh7RksLis4 by oleg@fosstodon.org
2020-11-06T17:21:13Z
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@BalooUriza You come to a centralized service, you spend your time generating them content, you gather the audience, they change rules against you... wtf?
(DIR) Post #A0vciccii4TXDtIsoC by Tay0@fosstodon.org
2020-11-06T17:35:06Z
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@oleg people shouldn't use twitter.
(DIR) Post #A0vhPnm9WPnU4zYpOa by BalooUriza@social.tulsa.ok.us
2020-11-06T18:27:45Z
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@oleg I'd be curious to see diffs of their terms of service for every change since 2009. I don't think they changed the rules against him so much as stopped selectively exempting him from the rules.