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(DIR) Post #A0ZQiclxHYemZXI57Q by rysiek@mastodon.social
2020-10-27T00:36:33Z
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Remember kids:"[Microsoft] GitHub has the right to suspend or terminate your access to all or any part of the Website at any time, with or without cause, with or without notice, effective immediately. GitHub reserves the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason at any time."https://docs.github.com/en/free-pro-team@latest/github/site-policy/github-terms-of-serviceAlso, can we make a point of always calling it Microsoft #GitHub from now on please? Thanks.#youtubedl
(DIR) Post #A0ZQt0hdAHqpgcDimu by seasharp@crowsnest.libre.audio
2020-10-27T00:38:53.266852Z
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@rysiek I believe Discord still has copy to the same effect in their own Terms.When the ToS tells you how a company operates, believe them (and not shills like Legal Eagle who handwave at arbitration clauses)
(DIR) Post #A0ZRcZYQR03Mo8dl9E by kzimmermann@fosstodon.org
2020-10-27T00:47:07Z
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@rysiek coming from them, it probably would be renamed to just "Microsoft Git"The best time to migrate is yesterday, the second one is today.
(DIR) Post #A0ZT7MVV5r2tH2W9o0 by rysiek@mastodon.social
2020-10-27T01:03:54Z
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@kzimmermann Microsoft Git 2020 Professional for Workgroups, Cloud Editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUXnJraKM3k
(DIR) Post #A0ZYYG8hNO5f78UtFI by mararm@pleroma.site
2020-10-27T01:12:08.541207Z
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@rysiek @kzimmermann with Clippy?
(DIR) Post #A0ZYYJgqAuBQ7tUhNY by kzimmermann@fosstodon.org
2020-10-27T02:04:46Z
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@mararm @rysiek and all the malware too!
(DIR) Post #A0ZqBSHNs7XVHRprjE by isagalaev@mastodon.social
2020-10-27T04:09:27Z
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@rysiek MicrosoftⓇ GitHub™?
(DIR) Post #A0aIUrTtC6OXf1j7o0 by x_cli@infosec.exchange
2020-10-27T05:49:32Z
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@rysiek Devil's advocate here: that is their service and they are offering most of it for free. They can do whatever they want with it, including not offering it anymore. Thinking this should be different feels entitled. Don't you think?
(DIR) Post #A0aIUrprsNyYlC0g40 by shellkr@mstdn.io
2020-10-27T10:39:34Z
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@x_cli @rysiek They shouldn't be able to hold your work as hostage or even worse destroy it. You should have the right to pack your bags before you leave it.....
(DIR) Post #A0aR43ynW3vQC1TqMq by qrsbrwn@totallylegit.site
2020-10-27T12:15:37.355406Z
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@x_cliThinking it is free seems shortsighted. The "payment" they get from the free customers is market penetration.So yeah, you are paying by using free services. @rysiek
(DIR) Post #A0ajMLyj8MLaP2JnxA by x_cli@infosec.exchange
2020-10-27T15:39:57Z
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@shellkr @rysiek I mean, cloud storage does not mean your data is secure, nor there is backup. It would not be the first time I see data loss in the cloud. If the cloud loses accidentally or deliberately your data and you have no copy of it, that is kinda on you, I think 🙂
(DIR) Post #A0aneDd3JdVvXIxFiq by x_cli@infosec.exchange
2020-10-27T15:43:39Z
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@qrsbrwn @rysiek You are effectively not paying a copper. They create value from something you gave them. And this is not even PI. I don't think this can qualify as paying service in any juridiction whatsoever.
(DIR) Post #A0aneNLLCLHvfGkFVI by qrsbrwn@totallylegit.site
2020-10-27T16:28:24.386652Z
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@x_cliWhere exactly do you think jurisdiction comes into this?Also, do you mean to say that paying with money is the only way of paying?Your view seems a bit shallow here, I think you should take a wee bit of time and think it over. @rysiek
(DIR) Post #A0apYda479c2CA1XOK by reto@pleroma.labrat.space
2020-10-27T16:44:58.425486Z
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@rysiek which is standard behavior for any webservice... heck if you are being a dick on mastadon.social they'll terminate your account as well without much fuss and refuse service to you.Github complied with a goddamn legal order for fucks sake... not their fault that the system is messed up in the US
(DIR) Post #A0b7TZ8yyu3EA55TqC by njoseph_1@toot.thoughtworks.com
2020-10-27T05:01:19Z
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@rysiek The corporate terms of service seem much better. They will issue a notice if the terms of the agreement are violated and the first course of action is suspension, not termination.Why do people still make their free software projects hostage to Microsoft GitHub™ anymore. 🤷♂️
(DIR) Post #A0b7TbqIwntQX1N6e0 by rysiek@mastodon.social
2020-10-27T10:13:54Z
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@njoseph_1 oh this is good:"Open source code hosting" -> "open source code hostage".
(DIR) Post #A0bNiZEMXVXq2bmMEq by zem@conesphere.social
2020-10-27T09:36:17Z
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@rysiek I was wondering if there maybe is some #google owned git plattform where #youtubedl can be hosted instead. 🤔 😉
(DIR) Post #A0bNiZc77CXlEGtKG8 by nipos@social.avareborn.de
2020-10-27T23:12:48Z
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@zem @rysiek There's GitLab.com which receives funding by Google and is hosted at Google Cloud.
(DIR) Post #A0bNtm6F270P8gKBZQ by shellkr@mstdn.io
2020-10-27T23:14:51Z
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@x_cli @rysiek Would you use the same argument for someone being hit by ransomeware? If not, what makes GitHub different with their current policy. In other words do you mean GitHub is a ransomeware? 😉
(DIR) Post #A0bbBnsaSArpH8rgMC by rysiek@mastodon.social
2020-10-27T19:39:39Z
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@reto comparing GitHub to Mastodon is not really going to work, because GitHub is not federated. You can't move your account elsewhere and yet still have access to basically the whole functionality of GitHub. You totally can on Mastodon.If my Mastodon instance admin is a prick, I can move elsewhere (and if I'm the prick and thousands of instances ban me, that's useful feedback I should consider deeply).If GitHub blocks my repo, there is literally no way do a move like that.
(DIR) Post #A0bbBr42c2oP9XFN7w by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2020-10-27T20:16:22.107345Z
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@rysiek @reto if a million instances ban you (assuming there are at least a million instances on the Fedi) that still wouldn't necessarily make you a prick. A million admins can be wrong y'know
(DIR) Post #A0bwyFvlYp7fDEITfk by x_cli@infosec.exchange
2020-10-28T05:47:47Z
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@shellkr @rysiek The argument is the same for ransomware. However saying "Github may cause data loss, ransomwares cause data loss, hence Github is a ransomware" is a sophism 😉 Nice try 😚
(DIR) Post #A0bzPuJxhMysCvvYi8 by x_cli@infosec.exchange
2020-10-28T06:04:46Z
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@qrsbrwn @rysiek So said differently, if you think that your mere presence on a service is valuable, you seriously need to have your head deflated a bit.
(DIR) Post #A0bzPubgdT9v5uDiL2 by qrsbrwn@totallylegit.site
2020-10-28T06:15:13.037270Z
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@x_cliYet again with the shallow view. Do you think the paying players would exist without the nonpaying ones?You also seem to mix necessary and important. @rysiek
(DIR) Post #A0c1l1Iz7t3jrHfJmi by zem@conesphere.social
2020-10-28T06:41:26Z
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@niposi am not sure if a company receiving funding is enough to have google host the software they want to get rid off on their own. 😋@rysiek
(DIR) Post #A0c5agTQ7fgaAesDHU by x_cli@infosec.exchange
2020-10-28T07:11:10Z
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@qrsbrwn @rysiek The users are divided into three categories: the paying ones, those that may be converted with an additional effort (that you may or may not be willing to convert depending on the expected ROI), and the freeloaders. Freeloaders are only there as a form of advertisement (word-to-mouth marketing) that the company is willing to pay for. The company invests on the freeloaderd. The freeloaders do NOT pay the company by just being there and using the service.
(DIR) Post #A0c5akfcWFozBec0qu by qrsbrwn@totallylegit.site
2020-10-28T07:24:24.641474Z
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@x_cliYes, the freeloaders are giving you advertising. Just like you said. That is a form of payment.No matter how much I have enjoyed hearing yet again about "free to play" games, I don't feel we're getting anywhere. @rysiek
(DIR) Post #A0c8RzMQpYwa0N9M6C by x_cli@infosec.exchange
2020-10-28T07:44:25Z
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@qrsbrwn @rysiek The key problem is that you think freeloaders give the platform free advertising, while I say the platform buys this advertising by letting freeloaders use their platform at their expense. I don't think we can reconcile these views, indeed.
(DIR) Post #A0c8RzgHdkp6zwRD2e by qrsbrwn@totallylegit.site
2020-10-28T07:56:27.985403Z
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@x_cliActually you seem to not really see what I'm saying.I'm saying those who use the free tier is part in a transaction where game access is traded for advertising.This is something you said yourself earlier (not in those exact words though).It seem your disdain for those you call "freeloaders" clouds your view. @rysiek
(DIR) Post #A0cBsGFkwodjmsFMOm by x_cli@infosec.exchange
2020-10-28T08:18:55Z
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@qrsbrwn @rysiek I agree that the free user is part of a transaction ads<->access, where access does cost something to the platform, while advertising is done freely and possibly passively by the user. I disagree with your original statement that the free users pay the platform by using it. (except, of course, if we disagree on what "paying" means and if your definition is "participating in a trade")
(DIR) Post #A0cBsIU0enEIhevltQ by qrsbrwn@totallylegit.site
2020-10-28T08:34:48.406744Z
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@x_cliThe users in a free to use service or free to play game are part of a trade that isn't as simple as "I give you coin you give me pig", we both agree that a transaction takes place.We seem to disagree over whether what to free users are giving has value though.If you stripped all non paying users from GitHub they would be a very small site that would quickly fade into oblivion.They make their money by selling additional services and support to a minority that can be converted to paying customers.The main argument to use GitHub for a paying customer is "that's what everyone is used to" so clearly their business model doesn't work without the free users. @rysiek
(DIR) Post #A1jtOXPAv1LmYdaOw4 by meowski@freespeechextremist.com
2020-11-30T23:37:35.553126Z
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@rysiek i made fun of some diversity person's food blog on there and they shadow banned me. already removed all my repos anyway after MS bought it
(DIR) Post #A1jts3odUn4RTXZZgm by rysiek@mastodon.social
2020-10-27T10:12:40Z
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@x_cli no, I very specifically don't, and the reason I don't think that is related to their scale and market position.They are a de facto monopoly. The way I know this is through how often I hear something along the lines of "I would gladly host elsewhere but I need the discoverability" or some such.With that kind of power comes responsibility. They put themselves in this position, they chose to make that their business model (compare to self-hostable GitLab).It's squarely on them.
(DIR) Post #A1jtxvbmvH4ll6MSCO by rysiek@mastodon.social
2020-10-27T10:18:26Z
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@x_cli another way to look at this is: GitHub is effectively public infrastructure. Kind of like a toll road.A small toll road somewhere can perhaps have it's bespoke rules, because there are reasonable ways to go around it.But a major toll highway has to be regulated to not discriminate against particular users of the road just because the toll road operator does not like them.
(DIR) Post #A1jtxvs5we7UZfzTcG by rysiek@mastodon.social
2020-10-27T10:21:50Z
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@x_cli and finally, the third way of looking at it is: if they can do whatever they want with their service, so can we!For example, GitHub clearly thinks that the "fork commits visible in upstream repo" bug is not an issue. So surely it's not an issue that youtube-dl is now effectively clone'able from GitHub's own DMCA repo, right?This is a very adversarial view of things, and it's kind of a war of attrition situation, but I'm going to bet that GitHub is not going to win that particular war.
(DIR) Post #A1ju1FkQVAO55XzGGO by alsternerd@social.tchncs.de
2020-10-27T11:48:52Z
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@rysiek GitHub 365
(DIR) Post #A1juE0rt8RM2hkYtDE by nimbius@mastodon.social
2020-10-27T20:52:21Z
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@rysiek @njoseph_1 not surprised in the least as this is the company that twice refused to back down from an ICE contract