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 (DIR) Post #9znmejKMxGEvEY4hqy by FUCKTHIS@spinster.xyz
       2020-10-04T00:34:33.642709Z
       
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       The true trans narrative makes me nuts. I am shocked at how many women fall for it. We need to hold a hard line when it comes to single sex services and single sex spaces. Traumatized women will be so horribly impacted if we don’t. It makes me sick that we need to convince so many women of this.
       
 (DIR) Post #9znmejWmD8AFr1scC0 by Wildebeest@spinster.xyz
       2020-10-04T00:56:43.068816Z
       
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       @FUCKTHIS You shouldn’t be shocked - TIMs have been using single sex services for many years, and the prevailing stereotype of transsexuals being just further down some spectrum of gayness than gay men paints them in a harmless light — gay men are seen as ‘safe’ for women, and transsexuals being ‘supergay’ are safe too, right? Lots of women do have historical experiences along those lines, in fact.But times are changing. Some women still cling to the idea that there’s some subsection of trans that do not pose a threat to women as individuals, and I personally think that’s true, too. The problem is that it’s impossible to sort those people out from the crowds upon crowds that are a threat and a problem. So we actually need to harden boundaries from what they were.
       
 (DIR) Post #9znnwVIxvfwYuTSQLI by NotHylia@spinster.xyz
       2020-10-04T01:10:48.820928Z
       
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       @Wildebeest @FUCKTHIS absolutely why the trans activism has gained so much traction so fast. Older liberals in particular shudder to think of repeating any former mistakes against the LGB, so they have pushed for policies without question. Agps are just riding the coat tails of their good intentions. I dont know what it will take to make the larger public realize what/who they are actually emboldening.
       
 (DIR) Post #9zno41BHoSgpnbRs4O by Wildebeest@spinster.xyz
       2020-10-04T01:12:29.223988Z
       
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       @NotHylia @FUCKTHIS Precisely. Loud cases of perverts like Yaniv always peak a new cohort of people, but others simply employ rationalization and shuffle off those cases into ‘fringe minority’ category. As if any amount of Yanivs was acceptable…
       
 (DIR) Post #9znoR19U5SYKMxZZEu by FUCKTHIS@spinster.xyz
       2020-10-04T01:15:19.796540Z
       
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       @Wildebeest They have not been using single sex services where I live so it is shocking. There are some men who are not a threat to women. These men are no different than other men. People who believe in transsexuals need to take a closer look at the history of the concept.
       
 (DIR) Post #9znoR1Qr2sRnEphRJY by Wildebeest@spinster.xyz
       2020-10-04T01:16:39.104827Z
       
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       @FUCKTHIS Are you sure? Never having met one doesn’t mean they haven’t been around.What do you mean by the history of the concept?
       
 (DIR) Post #9zoPY0jzi7QXQQqcxU by FUCKTHIS@spinster.xyz
       2020-10-04T01:40:16.832538Z
       
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       @Wildebeest I am certain that men have not been using single sex spaces in Newfoundland.The history of the psychiatric label. Look up Dr. John Money. It is very telling.
       
 (DIR) Post #9zoPY0wkwfdS40ooqm by SouerTeresa@spinster.xyz
       2020-10-04T06:06:19.589067Z
       
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       @FUCKTHIS @Wildebeest  as a feminist my allegiance is to the Trans Widows who often experience terrible things when their partner starts on this route. Its heartbreaking what they and their kids go thro. When our same sex spaces are ours again and we own our own word for ourselves again, then i will worry about the interests of TIM.until then my focus is actual women.
       
 (DIR) Post #9zoPZp5pzHRpsbveYS by Cynane@spinster.xyz
       2020-10-04T05:13:02.673515Z
       
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       @NotHylia @Wildebeest @FUCKTHIS It is so frustrating that people act like AGP is a myth. All of the newly minted TiMs in their 30’s, 40’s, and so on seem to mostly be these hypersexual “lesbians”. I had so much more empathy when I heard stories of GNC men with internalized homophobia, which is really heartbreaking, but the more I started meeting actual TiMs, that picture faded away. They’ve all been straight men who are depressed, bored or pornsick, and think being a “girl” is like some fun escape. It’s never “who they always were” either. They become these obvious caricatures of women from the media they consume. You bring up a good point on why it’s gotten such support. I too wonder why it’s taking so long for others to catch on.
       
 (DIR) Post #9zoPdP1Es9g6AdU7Cy by Kay@spinster.xyz
       2020-10-04T01:48:17.710963Z
       
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       @FUCKTHIS @Wildebeest They might have been using them in spaces where that might go unnoticed or not cause women as much concern (like in a nightclub or pub with confusing bathroom door signage).
       
 (DIR) Post #9zoPdPHXtWiozD78cq by FUCKTHIS@spinster.xyz
       2020-10-04T01:49:24.202245Z
       
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       @Kay @Wildebeest everyone would notice that here. They would be thrown out. I live in a smallish city. Obv there is a push to change all that.
       
 (DIR) Post #9zoPdPYCta37osuRay by Kay@spinster.xyz
       2020-10-04T01:58:18.924585Z
       
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       @FUCKTHIS @Wildebeest I’m just trying to imagine. I come from a big city, and never saw transwomen in any women’s bathrooms. I once saw a young male teen emerge from a women’s single user bathroom that happened to have confusing signage (his mom was waiting outside for him so I think she directed him to use that one as it was the empty one at the time). I made a similar mistake in a pub with weird unintelligible symbols on the bathroom doors - the men’s was surprisingly clean 😅. I’ve never been to a night club because that’s just not my cup of tea, so I’m really just guessing about that one. Anyway, transwomen really need to stop with that argument, because even if just one had managed to go pee or touch up his make-up with some gal pals, it doesn’t change the fact that he’s a man, and other women who don’t know him are going to feel threatened.
       
 (DIR) Post #9zoPdPo9wGoGcMNBSa by FUCKTHIS@spinster.xyz
       2020-10-04T02:04:25.163178Z
       
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       @Kay @Wildebeest yeah I have accidentally gone into the men’s lol. I can be a bit dense lol. More than once I have gone “that is a funny looking sink, …..oh shit”. Yeah most of these men can be clocked right away. I did see one use the bathroom at my university. He isn’t allowed. They have so called gender neutral bathrooms in a specific area and this was not it. I didn’t say anything. I would now. Esp as he was a middle aged man and this was at a uni. But I had been having meetings with the uni staff trying to wake them up to the problems with this crap and I wanted to play my cards right and didn’t think making a scene would help. I think that shows how much we are brainwashed. Because I am a loudmouth and I still bit my tongue. It was a mistake.
       
 (DIR) Post #9zoQ35BvDKA6Cmj7su by Wildebeest@spinster.xyz
       2020-10-04T08:18:07.172516Z
       
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       @FUCKTHIS Oh, living on a small and isolated island, you might be right. but Newfoundland is still part of Canada, which has been at the forefront of this, hasn’t it?John Money did not invent transsexualism. His experiments may have laid the groundwork for the idea of gender identity.
       
 (DIR) Post #9zoQMKlzVOsE27mHEe by Wildebeest@spinster.xyz
       2020-10-04T08:21:35.531348Z
       
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       @Cynane @NotHylia @FUCKTHIS Even Allison Bechdel, the famous lesbian comic creator, has clearly experienced enough of the harmless old guard to make this.
       
 (DIR) Post #9zoTeN8NlVC2QnXmOe by sapphotruther@spinster.xyz
       2020-10-04T08:37:05.460253Z
       
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       @Wildebeest @Cynane @FUCKTHIS @NotHylia fuck, that’s disappointing. she somewhat recently addressed a question about how she could have been trans in her youth if that was an option. at least she can see that accepting womanhood is the better option, i guess….
       
 (DIR) Post #9zoTeNOKoBxBEH0WGG by Wildebeest@spinster.xyz
       2020-10-04T08:58:28.045052Z
       
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       @sapphotruther @Cynane @FUCKTHIS @NotHylia Just goes to show how easy it is to be clueless if all you know of trans people were some nice HSTS back in the 80s or so. I have little doubt that if she got ‘tapped into’ the subject, she’d change her mind.
       
 (DIR) Post #9zokVDdPPh9baEHGTY by Spuntime@spinster.xyz
       2020-10-04T08:39:52.869777Z
       
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       @Wildebeest @Cynane @FUCKTHIS @NotHylia that’s so depressing.
       
 (DIR) Post #9zokVDmGskF81iQLI0 by NotHylia@spinster.xyz
       2020-10-04T10:39:35.231682Z
       
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       @Spuntime @Wildebeest @Cynane @FUCKTHIS kind of lame, but I get it was a different world then. If she was tapped into the discourse now as intimately as many young lesbians are (ie, how they are being gaslit and bullied into accepting whole penises in their sex lives) would she be this adroit?
       
 (DIR) Post #9zokVDwYGWSyXbEYJU by Spuntime@spinster.xyz
       2020-10-04T10:41:41.742121Z
       
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       @NotHylia @Cynane @FUCKTHIS @Wildebeest right, i presume if you already have a long term partner/wife and aren’t targeted by autogynephiles then it’s easier to ignore how coercive trans ideology.
       
 (DIR) Post #9zokVEHT0lCFaT1Fui by Chronic-Yonic@spinster.xyz
       2020-10-04T11:39:52.400997Z
       
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       @Spuntime Still trying to figure out the betrayal of their sisters some lesbians do concerning the trans cult. This might be one of the reasons, they feel safe and think they will not be cornered into something they might not like. Could be an age thing too, older lesbians are immune to being coerced and won’t take any bullshit and a lot of those MtF creeps go for the young girls because of their fetish. There surely must be more reasons to this. Too much heavy duty female socialization?@NotHylia @Cynane @FUCKTHIS @Wildebeest
       
 (DIR) Post #9zokYOXtIqnIIAD8j2 by Spuntime@spinster.xyz
       2020-10-04T11:24:27.239504Z
       
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       @NotHylia @Cynane @FUCKTHIS @Wildebeest I am studying Alison Bechdel’s fun house this semester
       
 (DIR) Post #9zoo0PEAf2EANU2Fge by Berco@spinster.xyz
       2020-10-04T12:20:47.275032Z
       
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       @Chronic-Yonic @Spuntime @Cynane @FUCKTHIS @NotHylia @Wildebeest There is hardly any lesbian community and support anymore, that has been taken from us. No lesbian community centers, women’s bookstores, lesbian bars, lesbian dances, lesbian land, lesbian meetings, lesbian papers and magazines, lesbian organizations, lesbian organizing:  all invaded and taken over by men:  the “T”.  Us older lesbians had all of those things, community, support, a sense of power in numbers, social and political life, our herstory obvious and celebrated.  Younger lesbians, have men demanding they are women and lesbians.  Tremendous pressure on them to include men, to shut up about being female and lesbian.  And few to no places to find groups of lesbians.They also see too many lesbians “transing”.  Where are the role models?  Too scattered.  I think, I hope that with the resurgent women’s liberation movements, and fight back to retain and regain our rights, the vital lesbian movement/community will regroup and resurface in all it’s importance and glory. We are here.
       
 (DIR) Post #9zoo0PRHsGif2AAj8C by Chronic-Yonic@spinster.xyz
       2020-10-04T12:23:18.737435Z
       
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       @Berco @Cynane @FUCKTHIS @NotHylia @Spuntime @Wildebeest Totally agree with you. When you have no role models, representation or at least they are invisible, you will look for another outlet because you do want to fit in.
       
 (DIR) Post #9zotSU6oba0FOcnqq0 by terf_fret@spinster.xyz
       2020-10-04T12:57:48.359335Z
       
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       @Cynane @NotHylia @FUCKTHIS @Wildebeest currently watching two men in my acquaintances circle start out as “genderfluid” (saying they want to be GNC to fight depression, essentially) and quickly progress to crossdressing with that signature autogynesmile.In my experience, truly GNC men just are. They do it without comment or need for applause. Any man who starts talking about his identity or the community is a walking red flag. It’s only a matter of time.
       
 (DIR) Post #9zotSwQzIAmBFISMAS by terf_fret@spinster.xyz
       2020-10-04T12:52:44.134714Z
       
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       @Wildebeest @FUCKTHIS even the trans identified males who do not personally commit violence against women, still endanger women by making our spaces and legal rights permeable.