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Post 9zi4wc5pDxGeEdBoae by mllepogany@social.linux.pizza
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(DIR) Post #9zh43HdlN2RniWijQW by kev@fosstodon.org
2020-09-30T19:07:20Z

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My thoughts on the Apple walled garden after spending a couple of years in the iOS ecosystem.https://kevq.uk/the-apple-walled-garden/#Apple #iOS

(DIR) Post #9zh4PQtVe3r6mxeC5g by chris@mastodon.chriswiegman.com
2020-09-30T19:12:14Z

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@kev Good post. I&#39;ve been deep into both Android and Apple&#39;s ecosystems. Fanboys hate the &quot;enemy&quot; on both sides but they really are two sides to a same coin and, let&#39;s face it, few have the knowledge or $ to really escape both. These days I&#39;m just thankful we all have tools that work for us.

(DIR) Post #9zh4j8CAsRHaaQlqCW by masstransitkrow@social.masto.host
2020-09-30T19:15:48Z

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@kev I have my misgivings about iOS (which I have used as part of my past work), but your point in the last paragraph is commendable.If AOSP was properly implemented, Android would be a cohesive OS. G*****&#39;s co-opting of the experience is why it&#39;s insecure.

(DIR) Post #9zh5P1ER9pBV9UnomW by blueberry@fosstodon.org
2020-09-30T19:22:59Z

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@kev I definitely agree with a lot of your points, BUT:- it is virtually impossible to get an app to users except by paying Apple $100/year to get on their App Store- for MacOS, users simply won’t use your app unless it’s signed by Apple (which you also have to pay them for). Users don’t want to do the command+right click and bypass security restrictions. Apple can also revoke at any point like with EpicI am also a heavy Apple user, but there are aspects of their walled garden visible to me

(DIR) Post #9zh65Eol2IDHRyvHE0 by jordan31@fosstodon.org
2020-09-30T19:30:57Z

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@kev I haven&#39;t used apple in many years, but, when I did I could only interact with my phone through the apple software. It was super annoying and limited me to using windows only at that time. But like I said that was many years ago. I will say their garden is def nice at times. And things just work, especially another apple product. Best thing is use the software as inyented if we start using apple like and android we will have a hard time.

(DIR) Post #9zh6DPuzeFS4C8jupk by kev@fosstodon.org
2020-09-30T19:31:42Z

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@chris agree completely. I look back at myself a few years ago and I’m sad to say that I was one of those narrow minded people.Android, iOS, does it really matter? Not at all. It’s a personal choice at the end of the day.

(DIR) Post #9zh6MSe2scEPG27nns by chris@mastodon.chriswiegman.com
2020-09-30T19:33:29Z

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@kev Agreed, also as someone who has been there. My only criteria these days is if it works for me and to do my best to dogfood all I preach at privacy talks. I&#39;ve had assholes tell me plenty of times that I use [x] wrong or &quot;don&#39;t believe in privacy because I had to use Google for something&quot;, etc. People are nuts.

(DIR) Post #9zh6ZxdcxWEB97MmrA by vandys@mst.vsta.org
2020-09-30T19:36:58Z

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@kev Do note that you were NOT allowed to choose Firefox; you chose a skin over Apple&#39;s Safari engine. When web tech moves forward, you wait to see if/when you can have it.

(DIR) Post #9zh75zRDnoLnzkpvFI by kev@fosstodon.org
2020-09-30T19:42:40Z

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@vandys I don’t understand the point you’re trying to make about Firefox? Is this the default browser thing?On tech moving forward - you’re missing the point. It’s about a person’s needs, not having the latest an “greatest”. If Android does x and iOS can’t do it, so what? As long as it meets my needs, I couldn’t care less.

(DIR) Post #9zh7OBSHrTROTi0hVo by alphazino@fosstodon.org
2020-09-30T19:44:57Z

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@kev @vandys I&#39;m pretty sure alternative web engines are banned on iOS, so even the firefox app just uses the same web engine as safari under the hood.

(DIR) Post #9zh9jE1HioKCQBXcSu by kev@fosstodon.org
2020-09-30T20:11:34Z

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@alphazino @vandys interesting. Every day is a school day. 😊

(DIR) Post #9zhCzytTVqXuIJZO5I by lopeztel@fosstodon.org
2020-09-30T20:48:00Z

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@kev takeaway is: don&#39;t be a fanboy, use what you like since there is always some data collection. This is why other alternatives are important (#pinephone or #librem5)

(DIR) Post #9zhIjGEgNiZGsjtqkq by arghyadeep@fosstodon.org
2020-09-30T21:52:09Z

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@kev, I agree. The wall garden exists only for iMessage. We can always use 3rd party apps for everything else and those often work better than their counterparts on Android. If anything, Android pushes us much further to keep in the Google garden. Samsung won’t even let me uninstall the Facebook app even in their flagship device like the S9.

(DIR) Post #9zhIkWCEWgxGfjLzlY by arghyadeep@fosstodon.org
2020-09-30T21:53:10Z

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(DIR) Post #9zhIwJaHFBXF1zE1EO by arghyadeep@fosstodon.org
2020-09-30T21:55:08Z

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(DIR) Post #9zhLFyYpJll5Wo384W by vandys@mst.vsta.org
2020-09-30T22:21:26Z

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@kev @alphazino I ran into it when we had a project fail due to a lack of WebRTC under iOS. We had Android/MacOS/Windows/Linux covered, but would&#39;ve had to fund an iOS developer too.

(DIR) Post #9zhV84oFCVJi8J8Isq by jrtashjian@talos.link
2020-10-01T00:07:56Z

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@kev I’ve come to very similar conclusions myself. Last year I purchased an iPad Pro over a new MacBook Pro and love it (I use a Linux desktop for personal coding, company owned MacBook Pro for work).I wish the watch could be standalone instead of paired with the phone. iPad + Watch would be awesome.

(DIR) Post #9zhlJjqcYmPdrZpMMS by epical@fosstodon.org
2020-10-01T03:13:06Z

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@kev nice reading as always.&quot;The walls of the Apple walled garden are collapsing all around me and I don’t get why people are of this opinion still. What am I missing here?&quot;that&#39;s maybe because they can, for example, install third party app stores or maybe because they can install a cleaner version of the OS so that it doesn&#39;t only *send less data home* but send zero data home.but obviously everyone should use what works for them.

(DIR) Post #9zi4nFJuWWJZ04JMNk by mllepogany@social.linux.pizza
2020-10-01T06:51:17Z

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@kev good for you man, whatever works.Personally I try to use my computer instead of my phone whenever possible. I just buy a second hand Android device with LineageOS-support, flash it, use F-Droid for the apps I need and call it a day. As a backup just in case I have Aurora Store if I would ever need a proprietary app, but at the moment I do not.

(DIR) Post #9zi4wc5pDxGeEdBoae by mllepogany@social.linux.pizza
2020-10-01T06:53:03Z

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(DIR) Post #9zi51QmghGcUbrXFlw by mllepogany@social.linux.pizza
2020-10-01T06:54:07Z

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(DIR) Post #9ziBVvIkOnUjfYSDE8 by kev@fosstodon.org
2020-10-01T08:06:19Z

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@arghyadeep yeah, that was the final straw for me on my last device (Huawei something) where I couldn&#39;t uninstall Facebook or Dropbox - neither of which I use.

(DIR) Post #9ziBl4gdmpXp7Zr3Kq by kev@fosstodon.org
2020-10-01T08:08:57Z

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@epical I get that you can install custom ROMs on Android devices, but I&#39;m not sure how that equates to a walled garden on Apple is people are happy with the experience and can still use many (if not all) of the apps/services they wish.

(DIR) Post #9ziC2qhoVTGuyKsY9w by kev@fosstodon.org
2020-10-01T08:11:37Z

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@mllepogany that&#39;s a good way of doing it - you&#39;re not too reliant on your mobile then either.I don&#39;t have the time or inclination to install and manage custom roms on my phone. I just want to switch it on and have it work. Which, as you said, is why I went with iOS. 🙂

(DIR) Post #9zic133EEWpTUQhIh6 by epical@fosstodon.org
2020-10-01T13:03:38Z

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@kev that might be your opinion and your experience but not everyone is happy. many people stop using apple devices for androids like pixel, xiaomi, etc and thinkpads because they want freedom to do what they want with their devices while maintaining quality. only some weeks ago did people been able to even select what default browser they can use on iphones or whatever and even with that happening apple still only accepts some browsers.that kind of usability is not acceptable for everyone.

(DIR) Post #9zjIDMGeoBVadfWyem by kev@fosstodon.org
2020-10-01T20:55:36Z

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@epical I’m not saying it is acceptable, and that’s fine. My point is simply that different people have different wants and needs.

(DIR) Post #9zkKrRAqNenuVN0igK by teatime@fosstodon.org
2020-10-02T09:00:45Z

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@kev iPhone 3G was my first smartphone and I used ios for about 6 years before changing to Android. I avoided Apple apps, as at the time they seemed to have stronger lock-in and difficulty exporting data. This made it very easy to change to Android and even back to iOS if I wanted. Most iOS users I know who thought about switching claim they cant because they now rely on the Apple apps which are not on Android. Its like Windows users say they cant use Linux because all their sw are on Windows.

(DIR) Post #9zqJltjX1uVf1AuVSy by Crocmagnon@fosstodon.org
2020-10-05T06:16:51Z

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@alphazino is right, app developers can only use WebKit to render web pages. Everything else is just a skin around it. iOS 14 now allows you to chose the default app for web browsing. Before that you could use them but every link from any other app would still end up opening Safari. Now it opens your default app.@kev @vandys

(DIR) Post #9zqb1qSAgtuKhPypn6 by asko@fosstodon.org
2020-09-30T19:28:47Z

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@blueberry @kev Point 1: Unless you spend lots of $ on doing a ad campaign to drive users to your personal site where they can download the APK, you also have to pay the Play Store to distribute it. Most prefer Play Store.Point 2: Yes, MacOS users prefer security. And no, if you play by the rules, they won&#39;t revoke anything. If you don&#39;t, well, you got it coming.

(DIR) Post #9zqb1sHxrovoOLDi9w by Crocmagnon@fosstodon.org
2020-10-05T06:13:09Z

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@asko @blueberry @kev Quick note for completeness: Apple’s fee to publish on the App Store is $100 *per year* where the Play Store asks for $25 *once*.That’s quite the difference 😉

(DIR) Post #9zqb1uXdUWehNWZFrc by asko@fosstodon.org
2020-10-05T08:04:40Z

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@Crocmagnon @blueberry @kev Yes, but what you get is also different. You can then publish not only for iOS, but also tvOS, MacOS, WatchOS and iPadOS. Not to mention unlike the Play Store, App Store actually moderates what kind of apps can and can not enter. From my experience just about any app can enter the Play Store. Viruses included.

(DIR) Post #9zqb1wJsscqMtS9Ihs by kev@fosstodon.org
2020-10-05T09:29:45Z

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@asko @Crocmagnon @blueberry I also heard that Google are introducing the same 30% cut from developer profits as Apple already have. The gap is closing.

(DIR) Post #A1hZXC697UnfgMcFGq by funkybuddha@noc.social
2020-11-29T20:45:06Z

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@kev Kev what’s yr take on Ubuntu security? (vs MacOS vs Windows?)

(DIR) Post #A1hdMV2Ilgvr34yQSG by kev@fosstodon.org
2020-11-29T21:27:46Z

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@funkybuddha ooosh how can I answer this in 500 characters or less...In short, all 3 are secure (as long as they’re patched etc.) Linux is generally more private though, especially so when it comes to comparing it with Windows.From a security perspective, I’ll happily used a patched version of any of them. My preference is Linux for privacy reasons though.

(DIR) Post #A1hdmo48dgVrb5NQG0 by funkybuddha@noc.social
2020-11-29T21:32:59Z

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@kev awesome. I’m trying to bring friends to Ubuntu away from MacOS and Win, and was wondering if you had anything I should be wary about. I’m also super keen on privacy and security.Thanks for getting back to me!