Post 9yfkhCbM2GhcLGoLvE by meowski@freespeechextremist.com
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(DIR) Post #9ycsfDsiWPpFtMcUCG by fedilab@toot.fedilab.app
2020-08-29T20:49:31Z
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If Google wants a useless login block. Should I?
(DIR) Post #9ycszHIDY3nCGP6u12 by Cedara@social.tchncs.de
2020-08-29T20:52:41Z
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@fedilabif ppls paid for the app, yesif not, forget google
(DIR) Post #9yct9VgwruHpohYbaK by keithzg@fediverse.keithzg.ca
2020-08-29T20:51:46.327176Z
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@fedilabThere's a degree to which jumping through useless hoops helps show the uselessness of those hoops, at least in the long term, so I say yes.
(DIR) Post #9yct9WXPiqFoRQ6VMW by fedilab@toot.fedilab.app
2020-08-29T20:53:24Z
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@keithzgLogin block will never prevent UGC issues.
(DIR) Post #9ycttRUgo8iE7Pj1sW by derle@framapiaf.org
2020-08-29T21:02:34Z
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@fedilab Is it confirmed that it was the issue?
(DIR) Post #9ycu53zm07O6iJo1I0 by angrysheep@mastodon.online
2020-08-29T21:05:00Z
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@fedilab Sorry, what is a login block?
(DIR) Post #9ycuHWdVLBsV16KeOm by fedilab@toot.fedilab.app
2020-08-29T21:07:18Z
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@derle No, but I have less than 5 days to act, so I prefer to get some feedback to make the right choice.I still didn't get a reply from the Google Support.
(DIR) Post #9ycuLwstgyzraBdoQq by fedilab@toot.fedilab.app
2020-08-29T21:08:00Z
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@angrysheep It prevents some accounts from an instance to use the app.
(DIR) Post #9ycuWMufm0G7ClRLt2 by ffdsjadkc@mastodon.social
2020-08-29T21:09:53Z
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@fedilabI would actually believe it is good to stay on Google Play, and just try to incentivize people on switching to the full experience without Google's manipulations.
(DIR) Post #9ycuznDX3P8LBSIAW8 by Ucak@mastodon.social
2020-08-29T21:15:04Z
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@fedilabhow many of the users are from Google play? i would say distribute two versions of the app. one for the Google and one for the Fdroid. If you have users that discover this app from Google play, than that also means something for what fediverse stands for.
(DIR) Post #9ycvewxTk2e7GgPNnk by vancha@fosstodon.org
2020-08-29T21:22:05Z
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@fedilab I accidentally selected no, but since the majority of people use Google play, it would be bad for discoverability of Google would block fedilab because of a login block. I think complying with their request is problematic too (since it's kind of acknowledging their claim that you are in any way responsible for presenting "hate speech" to users, I think that's false), not being on the play store doesn't help anyone :(Good luck!
(DIR) Post #9ycvus0ntqlQYoYTVw by sadmin@social.tchncs.de
2020-08-29T21:25:29Z
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@fedilab@angrysheepSo you get a list of account names to block from Google?
(DIR) Post #9ycwBdj2GoV7AsEyCu by fedilab@toot.fedilab.app
2020-08-29T21:28:48Z
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@sadminNot accounts but instances. That must be confirmed because I never got a reply. But with past events, I (we) have a little idea about what is happening. @angrysheep
(DIR) Post #9ycwLmHTJfC2bXBL4S by sadmin@social.tchncs.de
2020-08-29T21:30:33Z
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@fedilabI believe this deserves some broader audience. Please contact your favorite IT news
(DIR) Post #9ycz0yoZotI7G7ROcK by Ju_@mamot.fr
2020-08-29T21:59:59Z
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@fedilabPut it for Google play means not for f-droid ?
(DIR) Post #9yd1FC1zg6ZcDAcbho by keimashimari@framapiaf.org
2020-08-29T22:25:11Z
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@fedilabYes, but without applying the change to the f-droid version.
(DIR) Post #9yd2X87L4HcLEvEr6O by Phaserune@boosterfive.com
2020-08-29T22:39:30Z
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@fedilab I use the Google play version but only as a way to pay you for the app conveniently. I'd just switch to the F-Droid version, but honestly how long before they require the same hoops?
(DIR) Post #9ydGMjJVpbdIm6rrYu by sowth@linuxrocks.online
2020-08-30T01:14:12Z
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@fedilab If it were me, I'd probably put in the block, but also add the instances who organised the complaint campaign into the block as well. If they want censorship, give it to them.
(DIR) Post #9ydLLYDs56vtrGUDXU by Argus@mastodon.technology
2020-08-30T02:10:20Z
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@fedilab I'd block. Even if it's circumventable, it makes life a little harder for bad actors.
(DIR) Post #9ydq8lfJt5rkMei3pw by matiaslavik@mastodon.social
2020-08-30T07:55:29Z
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@fedilab login block + a message explaining that the Google Play version had to be censored. Makes Google look stupid, and gives the app discoverability as before .
(DIR) Post #9ydtrViUKcm7nGDawi by ianp5a@mastodon.cloud
2020-08-30T08:36:12Z
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@fedilab Stay on Google Play and remain open to new people. The more people the more power you have. You will have breathing space to look at changes to the login block. Default = on for now.
(DIR) Post #9ydw5kYa9WabmYVCxU by kakol@glowers.club
2020-08-30T09:03:13.707983Z
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@fedilab Add a login block for all instances where you link users to how to install f-droid, and how to migrate from gplay fedilab to f-droid fedilab
(DIR) Post #9ye75atr9i4tKNa7Dk by yoshir@lor.sh
2020-08-30T11:05:15Z
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@fedilabCan you add ability to boost toot through one account while browsing through other one?
(DIR) Post #9ye8U6EAQpvROPKYwy by Dashtop@mastodon.online
2020-08-30T11:20:59Z
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@fedilab What's login block?
(DIR) Post #9yeDnohNoRZeagDXY8 by ianp5a@mastodon.cloud
2020-08-30T12:20:30Z
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@fedilab Stay on Google Play and remain open for new people. The more people, the more power. Buying time to consider changes to the login block with less pressure.
(DIR) Post #9yfgnrhLkhkHipXMNk by fedilab@toot.fedilab.app
2020-08-31T05:20:38Z
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To be clearer, only the Google Play release would have this login block.When a blocked instance will be entered, the app will display a link to get the app on F-Droid.I just need a reply from Google before proceeding to a such a move.The lite version won't be concerned too.
(DIR) Post #9yfgshRRJVH1MMOtEW by Jack@kiwifarms.cc
2020-08-31T05:22:13.544006Z
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@kakol Based.@fedilab
(DIR) Post #9yfh755ICtZKjytnYO by keith@anarchism.space
2020-08-31T05:23:46Z
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@fedilab just put the fucking block on the nazi websites it's called "being a decent software developer" and it isn't hard to fucking do.unless you WANT to be the software developer that makes the shit all the Nazis use.
(DIR) Post #9yfhiEFX5tA7seOzke by Mac_CZ@mastodon.macsnet.cz
2020-08-29T23:23:20Z
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@fedilab This is so strange, does Google provide some list what should be blocked or do you have to guess?Maybe you can block stuff you know/guess Goggle wants you to block and provide option for user to whitelist these blocks?
(DIR) Post #9yfiDSRsLtNAtZ4Bm4 by selea@social.linux.pizza
2020-08-31T05:37:03Z
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@fedilab login block against which instances?
(DIR) Post #9yfiWpbIUvWSCZiAhU by fedilab@toot.fedilab.app
2020-08-31T05:38:30Z
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@seleaThat's the reply I want to get from Google.
(DIR) Post #9yfiiWmiHSR7Jvd1eK by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-08-31T05:42:41.289421Z
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@fedilab Are you sure that promoting other app stores isn't also against policy?I seem to remember some app way back getting booted from the Play store for telling users to download it from the Amazon app store instead.
(DIR) Post #9yfj7uXD7FHMDeTs0m by Meeper@blob.cat
2020-08-31T05:47:22.843848Z
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@georgia @fedilab yeah they said so
(DIR) Post #9yfjDZEDFHdlsNI9dA by fedilab@toot.fedilab.app
2020-08-31T05:45:11Z
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@quadYes, you're right but as these users can't use GPlay, it's not the same conditions.
(DIR) Post #9yfjX3S95wYf7P6L3o by ti_gj06@mamot.fr
2020-08-31T05:50:01Z
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@fedilab personnally i don't use G API and only the F-Droid repo
(DIR) Post #9yfjhE5yNikd1Ma2bY by meowski@freespeechextremist.com
2020-08-31T05:53:46.401372Z
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@fedilab some of us use android without google play and would appreciate you focusing your efforts on package managers like fdroid instead of supporting google
(DIR) Post #9yfjxsugOCViFUF6vI by JapanAnon@pl.anon-kenkai.com
2020-08-31T05:56:45.673532Z
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@fedilab To be perfectly honest, if this is the road they're going to demand, I'd say auto-block every instance and have a redirect to FDroid. Probably not too different from just dropping Google altogether, but at least that'd funnel more people out of their walled garden than just leaving.
(DIR) Post #9yfk13GmLCe3Em5WZk by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-08-31T05:57:18.598914Z
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@fedilab Well, you probably know the policies better than I do
(DIR) Post #9yfkhCbM2GhcLGoLvE by meowski@freespeechextremist.com
2020-08-31T06:04:58.444877Z
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@georgia @fedilab this won't be sufficient. the more you capitulate to the thought police, the more they demand. fedilab will be banned from google play regardless, if they even offer an alternate version that doesn't do enough to censor so called Hate Speech
(DIR) Post #9yfkiWJoDJOHmbEUxU by cirno@pl.smuglo.li
2020-08-31T06:05:12.134803Z
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@fedilab I think this would be perfect. Though knowing google they'd get buttmad about you doing that, as they also killed(?) the amazon appstore from gplay
(DIR) Post #9yfm6R7bHrpqZLUT0C by snm@social.tchncs.de
2020-08-31T06:19:28Z
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@fedilabI am an F-Droid user myself and am usually glad to see links to the F-Droid store. But not in this case when only a specific group of people is directed there. It may harm F-Droid in the end.
(DIR) Post #9yfsFhXSDZnlohNt4q by dugite_code@mastodon.social
2020-08-31T07:28:25Z
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@fedilab Sounds like a pointless and endless game of 'wack-a-mole'. It's only worth doing if they tell you explicitly what they expect blocked, you shouldn't need to do all that extra work.
(DIR) Post #9yftME9FzM7ye5k3lo by piggo@piggo.space
2020-08-31T07:42:01.057063Z
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@fedilab what should that do, block gab?
(DIR) Post #9yfuHHLGmqMP3bZ63M by mister_monster@social.privacytools.io
2020-08-31T07:52:18Z
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@fedilabWhat will you do if you don't get a reply and get removed?What if they just give you a vague answer about "instances hosting offensive material"?If you do get a reply of which instances you have to block, would you please post that list so that we can mercilessly mock Google for it?What will you do if this happens again? @selea
(DIR) Post #9yfuYfMcj9yKTyUOpM by mister_monster@social.privacytools.io
2020-08-31T07:55:26Z
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@PhaseruneF-droid doesn't work that way. If the maintainers of the main f-droid repo ever were to do something like this, anyone can create their own f-droid repo and host the app, making it still available to all users. Many developers host their own repos, including the Tor project, Bromite and the Monero client app Monerujo. @fedilab
(DIR) Post #9yfvdB0Z7Ijhjnt104 by joaopinheiro@masto.pt
2020-08-31T08:06:10Z
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@fedilabBut if they want a login block they will have to remove all browsers too!@selea
(DIR) Post #9yfzfHkRQcpJ2MbbHM by VikingKong@fosstodon.org
2020-08-31T08:51:28Z
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@fedilabGoogle is despicable. I would rather completely drop Google Play version than comply their demands.
(DIR) Post #9yg0mVVclPCnhIgN3w by VikingKong@fosstodon.org
2020-08-31T08:53:26Z
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@fedilabGoogle is despicable. I would rather completely drop Google Play version than comply with their demands.
(DIR) Post #9yg6Cj0XhKfgrYStlY by Lanthanus@mastodonten.de
2020-08-31T09:38:09Z
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@fedilabYou could circumvent this by displaying a link to the website. There you can direct the people to the F-Droid store...So the app itself would not break any stupid Google rules. 😉@quad
(DIR) Post #9ygAZ06HEEyU3t1aeu by Phaserune@boosterfive.com
2020-08-31T10:53:41Z
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@fedilab I understand that this is a bigger fish than you or perhaps other developers in this situation are prepared to take on. But I would not kowtow to Google on this one. Leave the app as is, and let it be removed. Changing the app signals that this action is acceptable and that google is justified in making this decision. They are not, and are exceeding their legal right, which should invalidate their current legal standing.
(DIR) Post #9ygArsOU6YjTfAXeTY by Rape@traboone.com
2020-08-31T10:58:13.752535Z
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@fedilab This is a fair compromise tbh.Some people will tell you to take a hardline stance but that’s practically always the wrong answer in my experience.
(DIR) Post #9ygJQBuCrnEXelFkAa by thatbrickster@shitposter.club
2020-08-31T12:34:04.171419Z
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@keith Why should an any bit of software be associated with its users? I may as well stop using Telegram as terrorists use it and others should stop using Facebook (drug dealing) and Discord (child grooming), going by the same logic.@fedilab
(DIR) Post #9ygKCWskBDpQc6cOTg by Moon@shitposter.club
2020-08-31T12:42:48.387586Z
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@keith @fedilab How many Nazi websites are there on the Fediverse, I've seen like one single-user instance.
(DIR) Post #9ygLyFvScrE1sZD7ho by hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info
2020-08-31T13:02:36.808879Z
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@Moon @keith @fedilab nazi here :joulutorttu:
(DIR) Post #9ygNgYzxAy4lj90HGi by thatbrickster@shitposter.club
2020-08-31T13:21:51.027040Z
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@fedilab I voted for the bottom option because:a) Google could turn around and say it isn't enough now or later in future.b) This could be misinterpreted as a moral compromise to existing users.Judging by the number of people who install it from the Play Store, I don't think it's worth the effort of constant harassment of 'make it better' from Google or anyone who finds a 'new' problem with it.
(DIR) Post #9ygpywcStBhquqZOzo by r000t@ligma.pro
2020-08-31T18:38:53Z
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@fedilab @selea I think that's the best compromise. It puts the responsibility of judge and jury onto Google instead of app developers. I'm very pessimistic, and I don't think they'll outright give you a list. And if they do, they probably won't update that list, they'll just threaten to pull the app again.
(DIR) Post #9yh6vMZQA207So1Z0S by 6oss@mstdn.social
2020-08-31T21:47:21Z
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@fedilabIm abit late I use f-droid for as much as possible only use google for anything i have no choice if benefits this app using Google then jump through the hoops.I see it anyone who wants to stop the net ending up how the worlds run which is happening more and more then ---- Google
(DIR) Post #9yh7qQSgMipQ2S58hU by racuna@freespeechextremist.com
2020-08-31T21:59:04.048759Z
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@fedilab when instace is blocked.. open it on Google Chrome XD
(DIR) Post #9yik2OrY7vM9yFoHZY by newt@stereophonic.space
2020-09-01T16:41:43.728792Z
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@yoshir @fedilab you can hold the repost icon and you'll get a list of accounts to choose from
(DIR) Post #A15hzfNE6tgvLvwBtY by dreeg@mastodon.social
2020-11-11T14:20:09Z
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@fedilab What's the status on that? Has Google given more detail about what they want?
(DIR) Post #A3FLXYwGJz2oUEXQ00 by kakol@glowers.club
2021-01-15T01:41:06.504394Z
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@keith @fedilab I use Tusky actually