Post 9yFanK1LJUo7REHw1Y by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
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(DIR) Post #9y5deCIrWggrqF1C0e by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2020-08-13T19:56:22Z
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Something is just wrong here... Mozilla just extended its deal with Google (making it the numero uno search engine) for something like 400 million dollars PER YEAR. For the next three years.That is 1.2 BILLION dollars from 2020 to 2023.If you cannot run a freaking NON-PROFIT on 400 MILLION dollars PER YEAR that means:a) You are paying your executives too much.b) You don't know how to manage a non-profit.c) All of the above.Source: https://www.zdnet.com/article/sources-mozilla-expected-to-extend-its-google-search-deal/
(DIR) Post #9y5eEChrVKu3W7sfr6 by thegibson@hackers.town
2020-08-13T20:02:06Z
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@ParadeGrotesque This should make many people very angry.
(DIR) Post #9y5eXvMXhLXDWAJPv6 by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2020-08-13T20:06:19Z
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@TheGibson It makes ME very angry.I used to run Firefox when it was still named Phoenix. I have always used Firefox as soon as it went out of beta. That freaking move by the Mozilla Management is pissing me off.
(DIR) Post #9y5eb9Mo5SaBotyS6C by thegibson@hackers.town
2020-08-13T20:07:00Z
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@ParadeGrotesque I think we are all upset to it by one degree or another...
(DIR) Post #9y5egXpkY0Bv9O5HaC by thegibson@hackers.town
2020-08-13T20:07:35Z
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@ParadeGrotesque and that is chump change to Google... broken off to hold off anti-trust suits.
(DIR) Post #9y5ega8G0ABSHMl5hw by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2020-08-13T20:07:59Z
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@TheGibson Exactly!
(DIR) Post #9y5esRA7B5OTvyHS9A by feld@bikeshed.party
2020-08-13T20:10:09.349639Z
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I went from Seamonkey to Phoenix š
(DIR) Post #9y5evxbH1weNPKfDkG by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2020-08-13T20:10:46Z
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@feld Huzzah! A man of taste!
(DIR) Post #9y5fOcLn7D7ztu5Rp2 by mastodonheadlinenews@botsin.space
2020-08-13T20:15:11Z
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Correspondent @ParadeGrotesque Indicates Three Likely Issues At Mozilla, But -- Could There Be A Fourth, Perhaps The Hidden Eich Clones Remaining Within The Ranks? Or A Fifth, Possibly With Bears? Click To Find Out!
(DIR) Post #9y5fWNDFHV5tGgmumW by oranje@cybre.space
2020-08-13T20:17:20Z
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@ParadeGrotesque @TheGibson Maybe google is bribing their executives to not compete with chrome.
(DIR) Post #9y5h2CRuw0Bp6hOGki by Steinar@snabelen.no
2020-08-13T20:34:09Z
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@ParadeGrotesque Uhm... WTF is going on? OK, I do get what's going on, but... Ah, well.
(DIR) Post #9y5wCXfCPjFR6szbA8 by publius@mastodon.sdf.org
2020-08-13T23:24:15Z
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@ParadeGrotesque Is that "cash money"? Or is a significant amount of it some kind of in-kind credit, say, for Google Ads? The latter is the kind of funny-money accounting common in startup financing deals, or so I have read. Provide something which is accounted for at a nominal price well above what it actually costs you.
(DIR) Post #9y6NUBlJHNBX9uUQxU by karan@fosstodon.org
2020-08-14T04:29:57Z
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@ParadeGrotesque "However, several sources have confirmed that the organization is sound financially, and the layoffs were part of a restructuring of its core business, with Mozilla moving away from its current role of internet standards steward and experimental approach to its product catalog to more commercially-viable offerings that generate revenues on their own."This from the link you pasted. So sounds like it has nothing to do with budget, but rather changing priorities.
(DIR) Post #9y6OeqQr1WcA92ZD1c by allenstenhaus@mastodon.xyz
2020-08-14T04:43:06Z
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@ParadeGrotesque This is incredibly disappointing.
(DIR) Post #9y6dghfM5M6kqgh5JA by brianpagan@social.privacytools.io
2020-08-14T07:31:29Z
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@ParadeGrotesque I want to stop using Firefox now. Any suggestions for a better browser? Iād love to have one that clears all data upon exit (ephemeral mode). The new MS Edge *gulp* does that, but Iād prefer an indie alternative.
(DIR) Post #9y6nv8jmhLU9k4UiMi by techit@linuxrocks.online
2020-08-14T09:21:21Z
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@ParadeGrotesqueShould I abandon Firefox? What are the alternatives?
(DIR) Post #9y6yb3O7yZokr6zOka by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2020-08-14T11:25:47Z
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@karan Let me ask you: why is a non-profit organization trying to sell commercial products? This is a *non* *profit*for Pete's sake. They are moving away from what they are supposed to do!
(DIR) Post #9y71eCiU394wWBhk5w by angrysheep@mastodon.online
2020-08-14T11:59:57Z
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@ParadeGrotesque I don't know whether to scream or to cry.
(DIR) Post #9y72bO03k2C2bB95NI by y6nH@im-in.space
2020-08-14T12:10:40Z
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@ParadeGrotesque I don't like this, but I'm going to stick with Firefox. It's still better than the alternatives. And it's positive that Mozilla is trying to sell things now, because that's the only way they'll be able to get rid of the dependence on Google funding. It's a rotten situation that the web is in the control of a few big companies. Mozilla raise awareness about that, but they still have to play the game.
(DIR) Post #9y77sjICKSdVKWidnc by karan@fosstodon.org
2020-08-14T13:09:50Z
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@ParadeGrotesque that's a fair question to ask, and not one I know the answer to.Your assertion in OP though is misleading and dangerous for Mozilla in the long run.
(DIR) Post #9y7BDC4JLkesEPfnsW by tinfoil-hat@social.tinfoil-hat.net
2020-08-14T13:47:10.506237Z
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@ParadeGrotesque you might want to have a look into this project, it tries to hardfork current firefox: https://librewolf-community.gitlab.io/ I hope this will be the ff fork done right this time!
(DIR) Post #9y7E5VeiwNTMWgjTxA by kirch@tilde.zone
2020-08-14T14:19:22Z
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@ParadeGrotesque seems like there's some deep mysterious truth to the idea that the managers will destroy everything to ensure they maintain a higher place in the hierarchy & live more comfortably than their underlings...
(DIR) Post #9y7E7iKwlQ3WR1X7eC by matt@oslo.town
2020-08-14T14:19:32Z
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@brianpagan I don't know if it does what you are asking, but #Vivaldi is a small company - mostly based in Norway - and hiring ex-Opera devs.https://vivaldi.com
(DIR) Post #9y7G3kxvFT8fKz0Kbg by ybaumy@foowar.de
2020-08-14T14:41:27Z
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@ParadeGrotesque This is what I wrote on the Mozilla Matrix channel...--ybaumyI am one of the original backers of the Firefox project and I am using it since then. Contribution money again would need a change in management for me, with a clear focus and plan for the future. Currently I am not so sure where Mozilla is headed--This was pretty much the indirect replytroll or angry ex-employee ^^The money they spend is ridiculous - IMO
(DIR) Post #9y7GKIqH40eV2NJi88 by SwooshyCueb@chitter.xyz
2020-08-14T14:44:25Z
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@ParadeGrotesque the Mozilla that laid off 250 employees was not the non-profit.
(DIR) Post #9y7HjoIBMzPrlv66JE by brianpagan@social.privacytools.io
2020-08-14T15:00:01Z
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@matt thank you! Just downloaded it and am trying it out now. šš¼
(DIR) Post #9y7HzJdh6YdJKvYLlA by brianpagan@social.privacytools.io
2020-08-14T15:02:53Z
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@matt and yes, Vivaldi has a setting to only keep history for the current session, so itās all wiped on exit š
(DIR) Post #9y7I9FWDHQfJS6n4ca by JayVii_de@mastodon.social
2020-08-14T15:04:52Z
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@ParadeGrotesque I find it always a bit vague when articles simply talk about "Mozilla", because there is a) the Foundation (NGO) and b) the Corporation (a business). These are very different things when it comes to financing.From the financial report 2018, we can see that the 1k employees are with the corporation NOT the NGO.From that financial report we also see that 300mio go to development and 130mio to branding/managementhttps://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2018/mozilla-fdn-2018-short-form-final-0926.pdf
(DIR) Post #9y7LGTZzhRzox2hFku by nergal@linuxrocks.online
2020-08-14T15:39:49Z
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@ParadeGrotesque in government, that would trigger suspicion of funds misappropriations and question whether paying executives that much is a scheme to hide the profits (obviously profits are being made). #ianal
(DIR) Post #9y7Pi4ekMDatZtKovw by juno@social.pixie.town
2020-08-14T16:29:33Z
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@ParadeGrotesque seems a bit like a deal google would make to avoid getting shit for effectively being in a monopoly position while also making sure they stay in thatbposition if i get that right?
(DIR) Post #9y7Qnnmk61xiweMzrc by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2020-08-14T16:41:51Z
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@karan How is it misleading? 400M$ per year should be enough to cover Mozilla expenses.I *know* there are some incredibly important non profit orgs running on much less per year.For instance, Amnesty international, which is a huge org, has a budget of +/- 300M$ per year. And they do a lot more in the real world, while Mozilla work (while important) is entirely "virtual".My point is the following: Mozilla does not have to fire anyone. This is bad management, pure and simple.
(DIR) Post #9y7QqZazJEl7o0C2QC by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2020-08-14T16:42:21Z
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@juno Yes, that's what it is.
(DIR) Post #9y7Xv9dJxndUPaPrFo by linuxmario@nerdculture.de
2020-08-14T18:01:26Z
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@ParadeGrotesque d) Remove useless executives, might save some useful jobs and spend less money
(DIR) Post #9y7c1eSwdnwRajusFs by karan@fosstodon.org
2020-08-14T18:47:35Z
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@ParadeGrotesque read the quote again. It's not a matter of covering expenses, but where those expenses go.
(DIR) Post #9y7kMdNChJgHuwkNsW by shine@mastodon.technology
2020-08-14T20:21:02Z
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@ParadeGrotesqueI'm going to go around the fediverse and post this toot everywhere to express my frustration.https://mastodon.technology/@shine/104689526628482590I'm sorry if this comes as spam to you, but I am really, very frustrated by hearing this news.@TheGibson
(DIR) Post #9y7xLY8A0FKElwWXTs by Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.technology
2020-08-14T22:46:29Z
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@ParadeGrotesque @_xhr_ Mozilla employees must be paid *really* well if 400m per year is not enough to pay 1000 of them..I hope the remaining employees organize and force the entire corrupt management responsible for this to leave the company (and ideally re-hire the fired developers, as far as they're still available).
(DIR) Post #9y8jYCfdthkTmPHhCa by raichoo@chaos.social
2020-08-15T07:46:37Z
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@ParadeGrotesque Imagine any of the BSD foundations getting that amount every year.
(DIR) Post #9y92ihkl5QMoCnOkzo by jamesmullarkey@w3c.social
2020-08-15T11:21:24Z
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@ParadeGrotesque @karan The commercial arm which raises unrestricted income to support the non-profit is a common model - amnesty etc will have this too. I agree completely that they do have loads of money.It's frustrating that their commercial activity doesnt seem to be targeted at diversifying away from that Google money. Never has been from what I've seen.
(DIR) Post #9y97KsgJIsOAv4mEuO by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2020-08-15T12:12:20Z
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@ParadeGrotesque Psst, theyāre not a not-for-profit. Theyāre a not-for-profit that owns a half-billion dollar for-profit corporation. Or, as their head of EU public policy once told me: āWeāre just another Silicon Valley tech company, why are you holding us to a greater standard?āGee, I wonder why.Maybe because thatās not how you present yourselvesā¦
(DIR) Post #9y99v7dfMyTddswubw by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2020-08-15T12:42:07Z
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@raichoo One can dream, right?
(DIR) Post #9y99ylNW4jqNlF8Coa by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2020-08-15T12:42:47Z
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@aral Precisely.
(DIR) Post #9y9FrgUYRbqwItQnQG by raichoo@chaos.social
2020-08-15T13:48:42Z
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@ParadeGrotesque Yeaā¦
(DIR) Post #9y9gsRq36kzDuR4dKy by farhan@social.farhan.codes
2020-08-15T18:51:24.134038Z
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@matt @brianpagan I might have to try that browser out sometime. Does it run Firefox add-ons?
(DIR) Post #9y9k7184zh4JHK97Ls by matt@oslo.town
2020-08-15T19:27:29Z
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@farhan @brianpagan Chrome Add-Ons š¬
(DIR) Post #9yA0xPX76ZbBI3rQCe by farhan@social.farhan.codes
2020-08-15T22:36:15.586801Z
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@matt @brianpagan it does chrome add-ons yet is a fork of mozilla??
(DIR) Post #9yAa4vyOOBccK8wWFk by mr_robot@social.privacytools.io
2020-08-16T05:09:47Z
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@ParadeGrotesque @jonah Tor that shit up.
(DIR) Post #9yFTnQc26dSUCeYNHM by gemlog@mastodonten.de
2020-08-18T13:53:04Z
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@ParadeGrotesque What is 18" long and hangs between Goog's legs?Mozilla's necktie.
(DIR) Post #9yFanJF8CkF71hjQsS by loweel@boseburo.ddns.net
2020-08-18T12:49:52.221789Z
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@ParadeGrotesque for the record, how many non-profit you managed in the past?
(DIR) Post #9yFanK1LJUo7REHw1Y by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2020-08-18T15:11:28Z
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@loweel I have worked at 4 different non profit orgs in the past, including one as an IT manager.
(DIR) Post #9yFbD1Z6YLLXjFKtJQ by zensaiyuki@mastodon.social
2020-08-18T12:39:26Z
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@aral @ParadeGrotesque @vfrmedia NFPās arenāt charities. none of them deserve the assumption they are virtuous. charities donāt either but thatās a seperate matter.
(DIR) Post #9yFbD3meIxMwbpgjhY by zensaiyuki@mastodon.social
2020-08-18T12:41:22Z
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@aral @ParadeGrotesque @vfrmedia by and large NFPās serve as little more than tax shelters for millionaires.
(DIR) Post #9yFbD5HWjdf9Ft8uTA by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2020-08-18T15:16:08Z
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@zensaiyukiDepends on the non-profit. The Gates foundation... Probably. Large international orgs, such as Amnesty, Greenpeace, etc: not so much. @aral @vfrmedia
(DIR) Post #9yFcOxVNZe6CZ8qdvM by loweel@boseburo.ddns.net
2020-08-18T15:13:29.020783Z
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@ParadeGrotesque fantastic. So you donāt know how to manage one financially. I have the same role in my corporate IT company, but I wouldāt be able to manage the whole thing. Once clear you donāt know how to run this size of a no-profit, the point is: maybe you should stop lecturing?
(DIR) Post #9yFcOyglAonSEjBFIm by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2020-08-18T15:29:29Z
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@loweel Listen, you are free to defend Mozilla all you want. On the other hand, I can't help but notice you have chosen to attack me and my lack of competence instead of answering this simple question:How come an org with an annual budget of 400 million US$ and no specific profit objectives, can choose to fire entire teams, providing an important service to a lot of people, to supposedly focus on... Profitable products?
(DIR) Post #9yFeAYs0ZMfc12hA4u by zensaiyuki@mastodon.social
2020-08-18T15:49:19Z
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@ParadeGrotesque @aral @vfrmedia i didnāt say all, but the grand bulk of NFPs are something like bequests- foundations created upon the death of someone quite wealthy- as a bequest it is able to avoid estate taxes, and pay salaries out to family members who are listed as employees.
(DIR) Post #9yFjmOpspB6tfbYysS by drwho@hackers.town
2020-08-18T16:52:11Z
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@ParadeGrotesque d) Embezzlement happening.
(DIR) Post #9yG3nFCw6bCNBK1geG by cadadr@mastodon.sdf.org
2020-08-18T20:30:03Z
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@TheGibson @ParadeGrotesque It does. I wrote a rant about it on /r/firefox and it's sitting at 210 upvotes w/ 68% upvote frequency, and many comments that echo the experience and the sentiment.The reality is this: since some years they've been deaf to us and lived in a bubble, high on Google $$$. We didn't notice bc our trust & sympathy blinded us. Now with the FF on Android fuckup and this last bs they've just made it so obv that even the blind would see.
(DIR) Post #9yGDuvIV0wr3HzvdDM by loweel@boseburo.ddns.net
2020-08-18T22:26:11.324073Z
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@ParadeGrotesque I defend nobody. I am just sick and tired of internet everythingologist lecturing on everything. I' m working for a corporation, I' m still NOT capable to run one same size. But, I'm not lecturing my CEO on how to do it. So either you ran a 400M$ no profit, or you stop lecturing people who does.
(DIR) Post #9yGDuwA1nvfly0yNeK by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2020-08-18T22:29:52Z
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@loweel I can't help but notice you still haven't answered my point though. But that's ok.