Post 9yDASVLJ2N3ZLa7RGC by zorc@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #9yAl8RDplGK9bc2TRI by zorc@fosstodon.org
2020-08-16T07:03:44Z
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I did it 😎 It's actually super-well documented, much less scary than it sounds. Just requires some basic terminal skills and a reasonable amount of time. Highly recommend!#lfs #screenshotsunday
(DIR) Post #9yAl8S0kpNSK3KvXgu by zorc@fosstodon.org
2020-08-16T07:08:12Z
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Also, I didn't expect such high sass levels in the kernel config 😂
(DIR) Post #9yAl8SYQoAOVjmgRBQ by gxtony@fosstodon.org
2020-08-16T07:13:46Z
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@zorc Easier on VM, I did it on laptop once, it didn't boot, because Intel CPU firmware.
(DIR) Post #9yAm7vIaYF9QYFa65Y by zorc@fosstodon.org
2020-08-16T07:24:56Z
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@gxtony Interestingly, LFS folks on the IRC claim the opposite. They recommended bare metal. I'm not sure there's a significant difference. You'll have to do your research for both, and compile all relevant drivers into your kernel (virtio in my case).Not sure about CPU firmware, I thought this was only relevant to mitigate vulnerabilities. Did you manage to boot ultimately?
(DIR) Post #9yAmX66VW00RIovzTk by murtezayesil@fosstodon.org
2020-08-16T07:29:29Z
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I tried on 2 different bare metals. Some software I wanted stuff either had 20 other dependencies or had circular dependency (pkgA needs pkgB needs pkgC needs pkgA). Then I rage quitted.Compiling isn't difficult. Instructions are clear.Quarantine side project approved 👍@gxtony @zorc
(DIR) Post #9yAmvnlCqxFreOkbyK by zorc@fosstodon.org
2020-08-16T07:33:56Z
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@murtezayesil @gxtony Oh yeah, dependency management is a PITA. Decided to go with the Firefox version from the development book as recommended by the errata page due to newly found vulnerabilities. Ended up recompiling half of the dependencies for another day, including Rust and LLVM...I don't understand Slackware people 😆
(DIR) Post #9yCD4e3N6YhU7L5KIC by Citizenzibb@fosstodon.org
2020-08-16T22:24:47Z
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@zorc @murtezayesil @gxtony I'm a slackware person. It's really not that hard.
(DIR) Post #9yCD4eOdpTiLBJ2JRg by zorc@fosstodon.org
2020-08-16T22:26:37Z
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@Citizenzibb @murtezayesil @gxtony I guess even a plain package manager unaware of dependencies helps tremendously to update things in a clean manner. But how do you keep track? In your head?
(DIR) Post #9yCD4euttXWCnM84jA by murtezayesil@fosstodon.org
2020-08-17T00:01:33Z
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One of the early but still used package manager is called P&P, Pen and Paper.If you fancy there is also evidence wall method. All you need is the largest wall in the house, pen, paper, hammer, nail and threat. @zorc @Citizenzibb @gxtony
(DIR) Post #9yCDbpSJjRt72NZnG4 by zorc@fosstodon.org
2020-08-17T00:07:35Z
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@murtezayesil @Citizenzibb @gxtony The second one sounds amazing. Could sell it to visitors as a giant conspiracy wall 🤣 Think I'll stick with good old (new in this case?) APT, though 😆
(DIR) Post #9yCaEnvzWJzkbWRiuu by Citizenzibb@fosstodon.org
2020-08-17T01:03:32Z
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@zorc @murtezayesil @gxtony lol apt-get autoremove half your system apt? No thanks.
(DIR) Post #9yCaEqw6MMrjujWM0O by zorc@fosstodon.org
2020-08-17T02:07:20Z
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@Citizenzibb @murtezayesil @gxtony In recent years I've only had trouble with this a single time, and that was after the major upgrade from Mint 19 (Ubuntu 18.04) to Mint 20 (Ubuntu 20.04), which is known to cause trouble under certain circumstances, but also only happens every 2 years. So, I'm pretty happy 🙂
(DIR) Post #9yCaEtqXXVCQwLwSFk by Citizenzibb@fosstodon.org
2020-08-17T02:47:28Z
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@zorc @murtezayesil @gxtony what's your primary distro?
(DIR) Post #9yCaEvmiKhKMx4AQZE by zorc@fosstodon.org
2020-08-17T02:51:26Z
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@Citizenzibb @murtezayesil @gxtony currently Mint desktop and Ubuntu server, but thinking of switching to Parrot. I like the idea of a rolling distro.
(DIR) Post #9yCaExhpBqbYuTtYDw by Citizenzibb@fosstodon.org
2020-08-17T04:06:00Z
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@zorc @murtezayesil @gxtony Rolling distros are quite nice because you don't have to dist-upgrade and futz around with potential showstoppers. However, rolling distros require reading changelogs and advisories, its not quite so hands off as people make it seem. Have you ever tried arch?
(DIR) Post #9yCaF0sDPfhOjZmOKu by gxtony@fosstodon.org
2020-08-17T04:21:05Z
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@CitizenzibbThe Arch generally requires little maintenance, however I found there are times I would go to official site to find out why pacman report errors. And the install iso needs replaced after dependency changes.@zorc @murtezayesil
(DIR) Post #9yCbRSMx6tRDRKebT6 by Citizenzibb@fosstodon.org
2020-08-17T04:34:37Z
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@gxtony @zorc @murtezayesil The reason why I asked, is because you have to check out the main page before upgrading because sometimes its more involved. Doubly so if you're using the testing repo. Even when using slackware-current, you read the changelog before updating or you very well may screw something up.
(DIR) Post #9yDASSZNLbWokLg8H2 by zorc@fosstodon.org
2020-08-17T05:32:59Z
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@Citizenzibb @gxtony @murtezayesil I see. Might reconsider then. I like the idea of continuity as opposed to staying +/- on the same release for 2 years, and then a major change. But the latter might be preferable stability-wise, ultimately. This is very insightful, I appreciate it :)
(DIR) Post #9yDASTMeOOwZDAjU4u by Citizenzibb@fosstodon.org
2020-08-17T05:48:22Z
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@zorc @gxtony @murtezayesil don't take my word for it! Try it out and see for yourself. Just because a pair of shoes didn't fit me well doesn't mean they won't fit you perfectly!
(DIR) Post #9yDASU3tnbXRNIy1UO by zorc@fosstodon.org
2020-08-17T06:01:40Z
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@Citizenzibb @gxtony @murtezayesil I'll be using Parrot in a VM to try some pentesting in any case. Maybe I'll get hooked after all, we'll see. Served me very well as a host to install LFS so far.
(DIR) Post #9yDASUnz2GOxgEWpJw by Citizenzibb@fosstodon.org
2020-08-17T06:11:02Z
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@zorc @gxtony @murtezayesil I'm no distro snob. Use whatever works is my personal motto.
(DIR) Post #9yDASVLJ2N3ZLa7RGC by zorc@fosstodon.org
2020-08-17T07:28:27Z
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@Citizenzibb @gxtony @murtezayesil Same here. But also interesting to hear what works for other people.
(DIR) Post #9yDASWLhIOxoT5JGVc by murtezayesil@fosstodon.org
2020-08-17T11:06:56Z
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:solus: Solus on Juggernaut, my Lenovo IP110:lineageos2: Lineage or its fork on Andromeda, my phone:debian: Latest Debian stable or Ubuntu LTS on serverI tried :popos: Pop_OS! twice on laptop but it kept slowing down on me twice. Even though I install OS on the SSD (with DRAM), :popos: slowed to almost HDD speed within 1 month.Currently :solus: appears to have even better support than :popos: for Juggernaut@zorc @Citizenzibb @gxtony
(DIR) Post #9yDvK2tfbrMYeYf2RM by Citizenzibb@fosstodon.org
2020-08-17T19:52:06Z
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@murtezayesil @zorc @gxtony mürteza, did you have trim support for the ssd enabled?
(DIR) Post #9yDvajFjtnOueQwGOW by Citizenzibb@fosstodon.org
2020-08-17T19:55:06Z
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@murtezayesil @zorc @gxtony mürteza, did you have trim support for the ssd enabled?If you run "sudo systemctl status fstrim.timer"It should produce output similar to:
(DIR) Post #9yDvqYmcanb2oUrsLQ by Citizenzibb@fosstodon.org
2020-08-17T19:57:57Z
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@murtezayesil @zorc @gxtony mürteza, did you have trim support for the ssd enabled?If you run "sudo systemctl status fstrim.timer"It should produce output similar to:"fstrim.timer - Discard unused blocks once a week Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/fstrim.timer; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: active...."If it is disabled, enable using "sudo systemctl enable fstrim.timer"https://www.digitalcitizen.life/simple-questions-what-trim-ssds-why-it-useful For more explanation why you should enable trim for SSD.
(DIR) Post #9yDwQIf80UJLEyPBK4 by murtezayesil@fosstodon.org
2020-08-17T20:04:25Z
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fstrim.service was enabled by default. I think default timer is set to trim once a week@Citizenzibb
(DIR) Post #9yDwuVL1RY8FF0P4WO by Citizenzibb@fosstodon.org
2020-08-17T20:09:53Z
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@murtezayesil The performance degradation you experienced was odd then.
(DIR) Post #9yDyQQ7CUu06GNikue by murtezayesil@fosstodon.org
2020-08-17T20:26:45Z
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I know. It never happened with Manjaro or Mint.@Citizenzibb