Post 9y5kWgFF1HAS4AgfR2 by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
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(DIR) Post #9y5iZyvJpTxoxQoayu by mudgeelight@theres.life
2020-08-13T20:51:38Z
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I am optimistic as to the future of linux phones, or rooted phones... so much software that can be written that would beat android/iphone for functionality (but i don't have the time ughh). What if your phone talked to a Solid node and stored your data (over SSL) on your own server
(DIR) Post #9y5ilF4g7YBqEaYvTc by mudgeelight@theres.life
2020-08-13T20:53:39Z
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What if your phone popped up a reminder that the person you're about to ring at 9am doesn't get up till midday? What if it could check the calendar they shared from their pod with you, for free/busy data to know when to ring them - and it could prompt you to ring at a better time? I have a sister who works rotating shifts... she could mark her days off?(You can already set your phone to Do Not Disturb and ignore calls overnight unless someone retries)
(DIR) Post #9y5j86T8HYhwCltxp2 by mudgeelight@theres.life
2020-08-13T20:57:48Z
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What if you had an app where you put in your food diary for the week, and instead of telling you about sugar/fat/carbs, it told you that these meals don't have enough niacin, vitamin K and b12 intake for the week?What if you could put in meals and an app/webapp ranks by cost, and helps you plan cheaper meals? What if you couls list meals by menu cost, $/100g or nutritional value?
(DIR) Post #9y5jG6uaWHNrtYYtTk by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2020-08-13T20:59:15Z
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@mudgeelight similarly, it would be nice to see the local time of the person you're calling, and local events/holidays. "It's 3am in Sydney, and today is Australia Day" is a good reason to turn the call into a reminder to call later, for example.The architecture to make that work has to be pretty tightly integrated and accessible, and it can quickly turn into a redonkulous erector set project that is practically useless.Hopefully when the dust settles, it'll run on commodity phones.
(DIR) Post #9y5jSxo5gMkZQCeSVE by mudgeelight@theres.life
2020-08-13T21:01:34Z
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What if you had a really good to-do app that handled regular tasks, routines, and one-off minutiae that need doing, and talked to your Solid-node calendar to find time to do things? What if your task app ran and noticed you were free and said, "your calendar says you have 50 5-minute jobs that need doing, and you're free for an hour - why don't you do these 3 things?"
(DIR) Post #9y5jhzJUMc38RBVBCK by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2020-08-13T21:04:17Z
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@mudgeelight solid presumes full time net access?Also, is it possible that lightphone is right and we need less, rather than more cybernetic augmentation?Consider people who rely on GPS vs. those who learn and internalize routes...Maybe we ought not rush to find new reasons to whip out the rectangle.
(DIR) Post #9y5jl5WvhqssaTGcnw by mudgeelight@theres.life
2020-08-13T21:04:50Z
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@jeremiah yes! Public holidays, timezones and location are basic data that could be set and taken into account if present. Standard APIs are most likely key to making this happen - Solid uses JSON+ for interop which is probably the sanest platform to build on at this point?
(DIR) Post #9y5jwAheoUfVogZOPA by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2020-08-13T21:06:51Z
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@mudgeelight My experience is that networks are neither omnipresent nor always available, and even when they are, services may not be. I've become rather fond of gossip protocols and systems that enable interactivity, even collaboration, without presuming a full-time network connection.To me, the more features I can move offline (gps + maps, music, for example,) the more useful the device is in practice.
(DIR) Post #9y5jwg9js8YDMkwkym by mudgeelight@theres.life
2020-08-13T21:06:56Z
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@jeremiah true, that (about less augmentation rather than more) Solid presumes net access, not requiring it introduces issues around managing sync errors...
(DIR) Post #9y5k6rLb7NxwyGLdZI by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2020-08-13T21:08:46Z
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@mudgeelight https://handbook.scuttlebutt.nz/concepts/gossip
(DIR) Post #9y5kEsz8uduIMpfjhw by mudgeelight@theres.life
2020-08-13T21:10:13Z
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@jeremiah i still think that more augmentation could genuinely be helpful. The menu example - i currently have no way to do that and doing it manually takes way more time than i have, but automating it would genuinely produce diet improvementsMy thinking in suggesting using Solid as backup is more for portability and safety, as a replacement for the way we use Google drive or Apple could to store evarything
(DIR) Post #9y5kWgFF1HAS4AgfR2 by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2020-08-13T21:13:26Z
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@mudgeelight augmentation can be helpful -- but ask yourself: has the mobile, and it's impacts on lifestyle, culture, posture, dating... been positive?On the issue of solid, I'm asking if assuming you have a network connection whenever something important needs to happen is a good design specification for basic services vs. assuming you'll eventually have it as in the real world with interruptions, airplane mode, etc.
(DIR) Post #9y5kavi3SpUBBhBtMO by mudgeelight@theres.life
2020-08-13T21:14:12Z
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@jeremiah 🤔 or maybe i just need a PA but can't afford one and am trying to use my phone as one but without the creepiness of Siri or Google or Cortana or samsung saving data and voice clips to their servers
(DIR) Post #9y5keoc1nErYKnDyvQ by mudgeelight@theres.life
2020-08-13T21:14:54Z
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@jeremiah that's a very good and important question 👍
(DIR) Post #9y5khQ77KoOXDq0aEi by mudgeelight@theres.life
2020-08-13T21:15:23Z
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@jeremiah those are both very good and important questions👍
(DIR) Post #9y5kihbJnsUdkNkJmK by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2020-08-13T21:15:37Z
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@mudgeelight there's some open source work towards assistants which might be a better route to go... a personal siri, vs. siri the service would be useful... possibly even running on the mobile hardware and useful when the network was unavailable...
(DIR) Post #9y5lCBuKCfrW8ghJC4 by mudgeelight@theres.life
2020-08-13T21:20:56Z
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@jeremiah really? Where do i start looking? The good thing about an open source proj like that is that it can be built one section at a time and modules can check what others are available and have code to work woth them if present, but the user isn't forced to install the entire ecosystem. Devs can work on smaller projects and one going off the rails a bit doesn't derail the whole project... and there can be diff core-assistant projects that interop with the same code (a standard-ish interface to talk to the cal, contacts, etc on your phone).You could build it so the OS is gatekeeping between apps and you can give permissions (or not) for individual connections between apps on your device
(DIR) Post #9y5mA993bRDswlB3hp by mudgeelight@theres.life
2020-08-13T21:31:46Z
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@jeremiah do we need two things 1) a compelling open source ecosystem with a philosophy of encouraging offline activities and user driven (less addictive) phone use, with apps that are designed to encourage healthy real world habits (tech companies thrive on ads and addiction). Something that intentionally tries to meet needs without being addictive (like a methadone program for tech addicts?) 2) marketing and activist approach (slow tech movement, like the slow food movement) ... pretty sure this is already happening but i just haven't been seeing it. there was a push toward greyscale screens at one point... hmm
(DIR) Post #9y5nVBwgUBltfRzNmS by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2020-08-13T21:46:47Z
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@mudgeelight I especially like 1, 2 would be an accelerator.In the 13th century, it was possible to know everything there was to know (written knowledge.) Today, a lifetime isnt' enough to read the globally publicly shared text created in any 12 hour period.Everything is at war for our attention, therefore, a device that's built primarily as a "quietude guardian," intelligent about delivering (and batching) notifications to be contextually relevant and minimizing total interruptions.
(DIR) Post #9y5niQ21QRGr7SnDwe by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2020-08-13T21:49:07Z
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@mudgeelight greyscale is is built on the idea that colors are attractive. My own desktop is mostly grey, including icons, so that the occasional pops of color are easily noticeable, and mostly take the form of notifications-waiting marks on apps. It secondarily means that any content does not conflict with the colors of the UI, as it has none, and is therefore a neutral medium for content.
(DIR) Post #9y5nvSIGKKMRtobbRA by mudgeelight@theres.life
2020-08-13T21:51:32Z
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@jeremiah if it was too neutral would that make it less attractive to people adopting it who are used to addictive colourful text? At least while adjusting to a new UI
(DIR) Post #9y5nvg7mu4IinNoR3Q by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2020-08-13T21:51:32Z
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@mudgeelight NeXTstep did a fantastic job with 2 bits (2 greys, black, white)
(DIR) Post #9y5oGxm8TPIncTpmZE by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2020-08-13T21:55:26Z
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@mudgeelight is it too much to ask people to leave their alcohol outside of the AA meeting?The trick here is making a virtue of necessity, and out-designing in grey the technicolor-overload-world.You could add psychedelic colorful effects to certain actions, use colors to mark notification-types as a sort of preview without a preview to what the consequences of looking will be... but in general, I'd steer towards very minimal color, and ghostly minimalist color schemes in appearance options.
(DIR) Post #9y5qyVYUxIlGkNLZWi by mudgeelight@theres.life
2020-08-13T22:25:42Z
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@jeremiah i guess there's competing goals - to a) to compete with tech monopolies for enough adoption to be viable, but b) not be addictive / TOO attractive
(DIR) Post #9y5xMOimcECKE5vrl2 by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2020-08-13T23:37:15Z
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@mudgeelight that goes back to "#2" in that there has to be a community that buys in (literally and figuratively) as well as educates and provides the _culture_ these devices represent.For comparison, look at any niche device with a devoted (past or present) following -- my favorite example would be the 2.0 Newtons:The thing that made them beloved/valuable, and simultaneously distinguished them, was usually their virtue in t he eyes of their users.
(DIR) Post #9y5xamzz9Jy7ZkqCPY by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2020-08-13T23:39:51Z
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@mudgeelight so, for example, if there's a strong offline support, and community themes that let you have as much color as you want, then you can have it your way, but the default is more enlightened than corporate offerings. No reason to get all Apple about it and arbitrarily restrict aesthetics.The second would be to make sure there there's a coherent (with community/vision/practical needs) "there" there to use -- relevant apps, music/podcast content, unique emphases...
(DIR) Post #9y5xnLspH86tF8Tyu8 by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2020-08-13T23:42:07Z
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@mudgeelight to visit Newton vs Phone: what's on the homescreen? On the Newton, it was a notepad app with handwriting recognition -- so, the default attitude was, "prepared to capture input."On a modern mobile, it's typically a lock screen or a home screen.So starting _there_ -- what's different? What does "Hello" look like in this new world? What's the default footing?
(DIR) Post #9y5ydOTurObyMMe9b6 by mudgeelight@theres.life
2020-08-13T23:51:31Z
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@jeremiah Linux phones have the capacity to be more than just a niche device that dies out after a few years, if it is willing to create a version that mainstream consumers will use (like what ubuntu did for linux...)
(DIR) Post #9y69MuzTq11Bl2kzOi by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2020-08-14T01:51:48Z
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@mudgeelight we'll see. I think that linux is the convenient answer (as it was for android,) but not necessarily the best. Check out the Mega65 project and the "MegaPhone" (built on 80s tech.)I think the any benefit phones have created has been more than offset: Once upon a time, people did not assume other people were instantly available, and planned ahead (for example.)I like the idea of more control over my hardware and software, esp. what it shares and doesn't more than new features.
(DIR) Post #9y8BA7cBe7ashy0tsm by quoll@theres.life
2020-08-15T01:21:16Z
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@mudgeelight that would probably feel a bit creepy actually, if my phone was popping up and suggesting i was doing things. It might need to be more like a what-do-i-do-now button that runs scripts or something
(DIR) Post #9y8BEQNtnroO4yNlBI by mudgeelight@theres.life
2020-08-15T01:22:05Z
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@quoll maybe. That would feed the "I'm bored, O Phone Entertain Me" habit that's killing my brain though
(DIR) Post #9y8CTmcbVZH1LQ9DxA by mudgeelight@theres.life
2020-08-15T01:36:04Z
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@jeremiah maybe initial thing is "what do i do"? Tasks, calendar? games? We're used to icons and we like those, but there's something obnoxious about windows using a full screen start menu with squares i think. We don't want that as a starting point. I don't know what would be better though
(DIR) Post #9y8JXElE2laVAEm4rw by jeremiah@noagendasocial.com
2020-08-15T02:55:08Z
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@mudgeelight depends on the kind of device, but a device that is aware of context would help.The example i used to use in pitching responsive web sites was, "it's not enough that your content works on desktops and mobiles" and would go on to suggest that mobiles should prioritize maps, contact, and products/services-as-bullet points, whereas the desktop user has maybe other priorities.So a device that has some contextual awareness (where am i? what time of day?) might be a factor...