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(DIR) Post #9xxKp5BorVngZSWOY4 by BalooUriza@social.tulsa.ok.us
2020-08-09T19:47:13Z
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Watching the current threads on the #OpenStreetMap mailing lists, someone's come up with the idea of doing away with the name=* tag and instead pulling that from #Wikidata.I can only see this as a net negative. For one, a lot of names in Wikidata are not canonical names, but names of #Wikipedia entries for Wikipedia's convenience. So doing so would fail on-the-ground verifiability in a lot of cases.Plus, making our database dependent on an external database is also problematic.
(DIR) Post #9xxLs2iKcfa1iRhioS by BalooUriza@social.tulsa.ok.us
2020-08-09T19:58:35Z
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@mosttoast I've only been loosely following this thread because it's one of those ideas that tries to solve one problem by introducing a lot of complication that only gets worse the more you look at it. So it wouldn't surprise me if that's already been done.I should be clear, this suggestion was made by someone involved in the #OpenStreetMap project, so it's not like this was an outside unsolicited request. Just some really badly thought out spitballing.
(DIR) Post #9xxSuJ8nDcC8vA6mGG by rory@en.osm.town
2020-08-09T20:39:28Z
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@BalooUriza it is one of the studiest ideas I've heard
(DIR) Post #9xxSuJPSDfWRkpu5EO by BalooUriza@social.tulsa.ok.us
2020-08-09T21:17:52Z
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@rory You saw that thread, eh?
(DIR) Post #9xxTJD7QkGWTU3LUUy by rory@en.osm.town
2020-08-09T21:20:14Z
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@BalooUriza I couldn't resist replying. Sometimes I think I'm too argumentative, but I feel like people need to speak out...
(DIR) Post #9xxTJDbCxYLGyPHGue by BalooUriza@social.tulsa.ok.us
2020-08-09T21:22:29Z
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@rory No, this is fair, OpenStreetMap has gone for a long time without the board chair being willing to openly state what their intentions are leading up to your tenure.
(DIR) Post #9xxYSlPB8efCCK1Pl2 by kdkeller@mastodon.social
2020-08-09T22:16:49Z
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@BalooUriza Hello, I didn't follow the thread in the #OpenStreetMap mailing list, but I think it's a win-win situation for both projects if we take the names in #OSM from #Wikidata, especially the foreign languages. Of course there should be the possibility to opt-out from this rule with a special OSM key.It could be reviewed with #StreetComplete or #OsmWikidataLink https://osm.wikidata.link The most often "mistake" I notice is - 1/2
(DIR) Post #9xxYSlwr7RbNslmJFY by BalooUriza@social.tulsa.ok.us
2020-08-09T22:20:09Z
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@kdkeller I don't think we should take Wikidata's data as the canonical data in OSM, but we are already using Wikidata to help standardize tagging of chains. Not always for the better, though, as is the case with Walmart; I'm more inclined to tag supercenter locations as variety stores (and if I know the layout, tag it as multiple shops by department) and neighborhood markets as supermarkets but a lot of tagging presets and QA checkers want to smash both as supermarket.
(DIR) Post #9xxsOlU6to0AMxhPdI by AkuAnakTimur@en.osm.town
2020-08-10T01:59:28Z
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@BalooUrizaNoIt does feel like throwing consistency out of the door. Some have names (those without Wikidata entries), while some others don't.
(DIR) Post #9xxsOmemXc8G0LhRuC by BalooUriza@social.tulsa.ok.us
2020-08-10T02:03:34Z
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@AkuAnakTimur Also assumes a single unambiguous name, whereas I've seen situations in Oklahoma were the same road has five names...