Post 9x9FvM0lrxdPyb3frE by MonKaiju@todon.nl
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(DIR) Post #9x9EuT0cGdnFR1zznc by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-07-16T15:44:05Z
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I donated $1K between the ACLU and my city's non-profit bail fund in the past 2 months. I went out protesting with and for my peers many times.I did not change any of my master branches to main, because this is dumb, come on guys* edited amount, whoops
(DIR) Post #9x9FHLyYaCI6HYwt61 by silverwizard@convenient.email
2020-07-16T15:48:10Z
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I mean, it seems pretty easy to remove the language, and it's a pretty small gesture. Why would it be too much?
(DIR) Post #9x9FOONS3JGfl1wvQm by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-07-16T15:49:49Z
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@silverwizard it breaks things.
(DIR) Post #9x9FvM0lrxdPyb3frE by MonKaiju@todon.nl
2020-07-16T15:55:32Z
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@sir @silverwizard So did the last time we removed masters, still worth it 🤣
(DIR) Post #9x9GrwOmjwulcqE8XI by thisdudemorgan@cybre.space
2020-07-16T16:05:47Z
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@sir if people have the means to do it, I don't see why it should be a problem. Not all teams have the means to handle the changes for bigger projects, I guess, but when it's doable, and for the future specifically, it's a no-brainer IMHO. I don't think its stealing resources that could be better used elsewhere : it brings education to a population that is overly white and proposes an easy fix to the problem.
(DIR) Post #9x9JnAjWJjjeUuLLns by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-07-16T16:39:18Z
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@hypolite @silverwizard this reads pretty shallow, master is the default for several version control systems and using the not-default is likely to be confusing to more people than not
(DIR) Post #9x9KkFvCfcZTfsyu48 by hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com
2020-07-16T16:46:42Z
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I'd argue there is now less to be confused about in our repository because it relies less on implicit.Speaking of shallow, boasting you didn't enact a simple convention change is pretty much up there. You could have stopped your message after the first paragraph and it would have been awesome. And yet you went for the unwarranted culture clash under a false "common sense" pretense. Why did you feel that compulsion?
(DIR) Post #9x9L4k2uNXLWtYLzOa by kungtotte@fosstodon.org
2020-07-16T16:47:24Z
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@sir @hypolite @silverwizard leaving the discussion about virtue signalling aside, the arguments that it's confusing and it breaks things are fairly weak. There are plenty of systems that don't call it master and nobody got confused by them, and plenty of people are confused by git and none of that has to do with git's default branch names.And if whole systems fall over due to renamed branches, they're far too brittle to run in production.
(DIR) Post #9x9ORvEhEvjE7ic1om by tyil@soc.fglt.nl
2020-07-16T17:32:49.013541Z
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@kungtotte @sir @hypolite @silverwizard >the arguments that it's confusing and it breaks things are fairly weakSo is the argument that changing this particular word is going to help anyone in any way at all.
(DIR) Post #9x9XiAWn3HshlrthSK by kungtotte@fosstodon.org
2020-07-16T18:26:19Z
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@tyil @silverwizard @hypolite there's actually a fair bit of research into how language helps maintain structures of power, and that the way we speak about things influence how we think and act about them.Changing this word won't make cops stop beating up black people, that's true. Nobody thinks it will. We can make an effort to change everything we can in order to stop cops from beating up black people though.
(DIR) Post #9x9XiAlKBFVWUwhJ6u by tyil@soc.fglt.nl
2020-07-16T19:16:34.283967Z
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@kungtotte @silverwizard @hypolite No, you're just trying to police language and erase history, instead of learning from it and becoming a better person yourself. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and you seem to be an amazing road worker.
(DIR) Post #9x9YZRbcHtKK5KYh3A by velartrill@pleroma.site
2020-07-16T19:25:14.914993Z
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@tyil @kungtotte @hypolite @silverwizard yeah "language helps maintain structures of power" is linguistic relativity nonsense; the sapir-whorf hypothesis has been pretty thoroughly falsified with the exception of color terms and a few other niche categories (like e.g. the Australian tribe that doesn't have relative directional terms, only absolute ones - north, west, and so on - and developed extremely reliable inertial cognitive compasses to cope, which is pretty incredible) that are not relevant to the subject at handit's better to listen to actual scientists than grievance studies scholars who get super excited about papers with names like "Human Reactions to Rape Culture and Queer Performativity in Urban Dog Parks"
(DIR) Post #9x9aENFzSe6IQNWXNw by hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com
2020-07-16T19:18:47Z
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You must have felt pretty good with yourself with this analogy.
(DIR) Post #9x9aENY4NQYvKRyyZ6 by tyil@soc.fglt.nl
2020-07-16T19:44:44.598451Z
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@hypolite @kungtotte @silverwizard That wasn't part of my thought process there. I wanted to showcase that even though people want to do things for the best intentions, that doesn't mean it's actually a good thing to work towards.If you're just going to assume the worst intentions of everyone who disagrees with you, you're not going to have a good time in life. I'd strongly advice to assume good faith by default if you want to have a meaningful discussion.
(DIR) Post #9x9b0H51jI3LAREidU by hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com
2020-07-16T19:51:33Z
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I do assume good faith by default, but it can disappear pretty quick, like when someone unwarrantedly brings up "the argument that changing this particular word is going to help anyone in any way at all [is fairly weak]". From there it only goes downhill with "there's no reason to change [an arbitrary convention] in the first place" and "you're just trying to police language and erase history" and it never came back.The discussion with you has never been meaningful.
(DIR) Post #9x9b0HPEWADSB6gr8C by tyil@soc.fglt.nl
2020-07-16T19:53:18.413745Z
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@hypolite @kungtotte @silverwizard So you assume good faith until someone disagrees with you? That's not what people understand with "assuming good faith".
(DIR) Post #9x9e0dvJ6B3ZsQYcDo by hypolite@friendica.mrpetovan.com
2020-07-16T20:01:02Z
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I actually agree with you that the argument that changing this particular word is going to help anyone in any way at all is fairly weak, but I can't think of any good faith reason to bring this idea up at that particular moment in the discussion since it wasn't the point at all.Fairly weak means that it still has some merits, as is the argument against changing things you compared it against.
(DIR) Post #9x9e0egSGslqEecGi8 by tyil@soc.fglt.nl
2020-07-16T20:27:01.805810Z
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@hypolite @kungtotte @silverwizard That's why people refer to it as "assuming" good faith, and not "knowing" good faith. There's a clear difference in "knowing" and "assuming".But enough with the derailing attempts, I'm going to ask you once more to answer the questions I posed.
(DIR) Post #9x9esdie4eFesgNmIy by kungtotte@fosstodon.org
2020-07-16T20:35:56Z
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@velartrill @silverwizard @hypolite @tyil ever wondered why soldiers in a war rarely refer to the enemy by their nationality or any other humanising name? If you're fighting a human it's surprisingly hard to pull the trigger, but if you dehumanise them through the use of language you chip away at those psychological thresholds.The way we speak influences the way we think.
(DIR) Post #9x9eserBqMgGPTO7GK by tyil@soc.fglt.nl
2020-07-16T20:36:55.356753Z
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@kungtotte @velartrill @silverwizard @hypolite Pretty sure there were two entire world wars where the enemy was referred to as "the Germans".
(DIR) Post #9x9g20rVUxb7DZYpxg by velartrill@pleroma.site
2020-07-16T20:46:42.014528Z
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@tyil @kungtotte @hypolite @silverwizard yeah someone needs to tell the Berber people to change their name immediately, it was based on an old Greek ethnic slur for non-greeks ("barbaros," i.e. "those who go bar-bar-bar" (making fun of their language), and also the root of the English word "barbarian"), so whenever we refer to them we are magically making their lives worse and deepening their Oppression. also the Slavs, because we're calling them "slaves" every time we say their namealso we have to immediately stop saying "bad" because that comes from a transphobic slur in anglo-saxon
(DIR) Post #9x9g21AeLmuUAwW7nc by josh@squ.alid.pw
2020-07-16T20:48:24.421747Z
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@velartrill @tyil @hypolite @kungtotte @silverwizard wait really, I didn't know that last one
(DIR) Post #9x9g21RJLqEn0cJQlk by velartrill@pleroma.site
2020-07-16T20:49:39.536435Z
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@josh @hypolite @kungtotte @silverwizard @tyil yeah, latin "sclavus" iirc, it was a reference to how often slavs were taken as war-slaves
(DIR) Post #9x9g5a4b2aNlIANuXw by velartrill@pleroma.site
2020-07-16T20:50:03.343103Z
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@josh @hypolite @kungtotte @silverwizard @tyil oh wait sorry you meant "bad"that one comes from "bæddel"
(DIR) Post #9x9sl1rxnZmCp70Rpg by Drakor@linuxrocks.online
2020-07-16T23:10:21Z
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@sir i just don't undertood why this USA social problem must be a global issue. The first time I read stuff like master/slave in tech, was very funny to me. I never take the black/white USA slavery meanning. I don't think remove this silly stuff will help to resolve anything. The problem is very more complex and important, take the time to doing this kind of stuff only is a distraction. (Sorry for my english, isn't my mother lang)
(DIR) Post #9xBIvTtbFBQ0bkNNGy by cacovib8@mastodon.online
2020-07-17T15:38:17Z
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@sir 1. Software developers should've foresaw that loaded terms are to be avoided.2. Now that intersectional feminists are using black male issues to throw their weight around and are taking advantage of early mistakes in key projects of the Free Software ecosystem to demonstrate their social influence, software developers have to start promptly ejecting the feminist hijackers. Never cave in to feminist demands. Never cave in to a hate movement co-opting legitimate issues for their own gain.
(DIR) Post #9xBt15tkyXfeGhQQLY by derle@framapiaf.org
2020-07-17T21:56:20Z
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@hypolite Oh Master was that? I always wonder what that was meaning. I thougth of weird git gimmick @silverwizard @sir