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(DIR) Post #9wTWsXglYpNeSdLoA4 by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-26T12:49:16Z
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Any hints are welcome to migrate from #WhatsApp to #signal
(DIR) Post #9wTqJhoPvcoio1ayp6 by nikolal@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-26T16:27:10Z
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@marc0janssenThere is no point if your friends don't use it, try to convince close friends and then spread that circle slowly
(DIR) Post #9wTzf4fv1EeHNmsuA4 by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-26T18:11:53Z
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@nikolal yes that’s the hard part. All are not worried or conscious about privacy at all.
(DIR) Post #9wVB9Ug41tTpQxP1Ci by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T02:17:00Z
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@marc0janssen @nikolal you should ditch both #WhatsApp & #signal. https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/issues/779 Tell your friends if they really care to stay in touch with you, they would not impose a system that requires you to register a phone#.
(DIR) Post #9wVB9Ux50d5iHjMbj6 by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T07:28:30Z
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@resist1984 @nikolal what do you use then? Riot?
(DIR) Post #9wVB9VDO208R6Izd8y by nikolal@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T07:55:20Z
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@marc0janssenI think you need to set up first your threat model. Do you need your chats to be secure while you chat with your friends? Or do you need to have anonymity while chatting? I don't need anonymity but I like my chats to be secure with FOSS project so I'm using Signal which is proven to do that job very well. https://thehackernews.com/2016/10/signal-messenger-fbi-subpoena.html?m=1As for anonymous chat apps I suggest Briar, but again you have to scan each other QR codes for identity exchange@resist1984
(DIR) Post #9wVC6unYYYRRX1F1Lk by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T08:06:06Z
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@nikolal @resist1984 thanks Nikolal. I need to start convincing people to use signal. I read that Facebook also bought gyphy. People need to see that Facebook is up to no good.
(DIR) Post #9wVEWrfX0v8ZGNzO5Y by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T08:33:13Z
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@nikolal @resist1984 for me... I like to move away from Facebook’s claws.
(DIR) Post #9wVNrw9KRvJQpQ37yq by supernova@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T10:17:49Z
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@nikolal @marc0janssen @resist1984 Briar is excellent, and it no longer required scanning QR codes. From my review:"7/7/2019- Update: You can now add remote contacts by exchanging Briar URLs. In the contacts list choose the "Add contact at a distance" option and enter the Briar URL of your remote contact which they will need to send you via another channel. This is also where you will see your own Briar URL to send to others."
(DIR) Post #9wViNiJbQ0owGvHi7M by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T10:19:21Z
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@supernova @nikolal @resist1984 all are brilliant. But the trouble is getting your contacts to migrate. Otherwise it will be lonely chats with yourself.
(DIR) Post #9wViNiwb520qDrWqtk by supernova@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T10:32:31Z
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@marc0janssen @nikolal @resist1984 Yes the trouble is convincing people to care about privacy. All you can do is mention the latest Facebook/WhatsApp scandal in casual conversation. I think Signal is the best gateway to get people to better options if you already know their phone number.
(DIR) Post #9wViNj8eMDeapFATgW by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T14:07:34Z
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@supernova @nikolal @marc0janssen You don't need to convince friends to care about #privacy. You only need to convince them that *you* care about privacy. If they're your friend, that will respect that.
(DIR) Post #9wVjOmcF0wz1r04o0u by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T14:19:00Z
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@marc0janssen @nikolal convincing ppl to use #Signal makes you part of the problem. You become the person that pushes people into a #walledgarden that excludes those who don't want to share their ph# & patronize all the privacy-abusing tech giants. See https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/issues/779
(DIR) Post #9wVji0RTpedoEoD2jQ by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T14:22:27Z
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@nikolal @marc0janssen mass surveillance should be in your threat model, and #Signal promotes all the mass surveillance-pushing tech giants (#Amazon, #Google, #CloudFlare, #Facebook)
(DIR) Post #9wVkAqnGmgT8iA9gvo by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T14:27:41Z
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@resist1984 @nikolal nice you push briar but can you get me a iOS client please.
(DIR) Post #9wVkHxrQuIpkemUk9B by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T14:28:56Z
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@marc0janssen @nikolal for iOS (and presumably low-tech users) you need Wire, which doesn't require a ph#.
(DIR) Post #9wVkPdoNKlDcn8j1Sy by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T14:30:19Z
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@nikolal @marc0janssen or #Jami
(DIR) Post #9wVkQwaL1H7RJ3mSKe by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T14:30:35Z
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@resist1984 @nikolal weird that low-tech users and iOS go hand in hand.
(DIR) Post #9wVkiWjZs6AWLMUE40 by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T14:33:46Z
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@resist1984 @nikolal but I could also use Riot on Matrix
(DIR) Post #9wVl8N9W7OnY9iwYuO by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T14:38:26Z
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@marc0janssen @nikolal you could, but FYI matrix.org is a #CloudFlare site
(DIR) Post #9wVlHvRjz38D7g1TVI by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T14:40:10Z
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@resist1984 @nikolal which is bad too I just guess
(DIR) Post #9wVlKi528SlGXLjHd2 by takecar@wolfhowl.me
2020-06-27T14:40:41.071939Z
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@marc0janssen @resist1984 @nikolal you're stupid and your car is cheap
(DIR) Post #9wVlQIHkx8WeH0LKUq by takecar@wolfhowl.me
2020-06-27T14:41:45.485466Z
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@resist1984 @marc0janssen @nikolal HONDA CIVIC
(DIR) Post #9wVlXDecZOifw9L9CC by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T14:42:54Z
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@resist1984 Wire needs a phone# too babe. @nikolal
(DIR) Post #9wVlbNOwGxTTKDzGZU by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T14:43:38Z
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@marc0janssen @nikolal no it doesn't. It's optional. If you don't supply a ph# then you must supply an email (which can be disposable)
(DIR) Post #9wVljMrQANNTxu7VBo by takecar@wolfhowl.me
2020-06-27T14:45:11.876051Z
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@marc0janssen @resist1984 @nikolal FUCK U CARRRR
(DIR) Post #9wVmJ1oLuBf16egls0 by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T14:51:36Z
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@resist1984 @nikolal ok ok But I think you are must more anonymous aware they I am. I don’t need to reach the 100% ;-)
(DIR) Post #9wVmpZUyBxDUqv8mpM by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T14:57:25Z
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@marc0janssen @nikolal I don't need Snowden-level security either. My main objective is ethical consumption. Privacy is secondary. It's about boycotting corporate harm & wrongdoing. Signal feeds lots of bad players.
(DIR) Post #9wVnNV80wl0x90aA9g by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:03:31Z
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@nikolal @marc0janssen if your friends give any friction over using #Briar, #Jami, or #Wire, & you know they don't give a rat's ass about #privacy, ethics is easier to sell. E.g. #Facebook helped Trump get elected.
(DIR) Post #9wVnqx2UFnZQ6e2X3I by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:08:54Z
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@resist1984 @nikolal but I live in Europe. We don’t give a shit about trump and his administration.
(DIR) Post #9wVo2kINSbd23c62oC by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:11:02Z
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@marc0janssen @nikolal first of all, you should care about what Trump is doing to the planet, what he did to Ukraine - his destruction is not confined to the US. And that was just an example.
(DIR) Post #9wVoHdAqDj1yJWfYhs by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:13:42Z
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@resist1984 @nikolal yep. We are not in the election proces. We can only tell our governments to take action. But since we are in a pact with the USA for decades.......
(DIR) Post #9wVoJfUiYznU5ewDBI by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:14:05Z
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@nikolal @marc0janssen Amazon is causing immeasurable harm to the environment, and you can't tell me Amazon isn't affecting Europe. Amazon hired neo nazis in Germany to intimidate immgrant workers. Signal and Wire use Amazon for hosting.
(DIR) Post #9wVoXp3nnJxXoR677o by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:16:38Z
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@resist1984 @nikolal oh man.... I better stop using the internet now. I am not sure if anything is safe too use now. The lady in the shop here to sell me my books cause have an grandfather that might accidentally looked at a nazi in WWII.
(DIR) Post #9wVoZuGhOzvQXn7jdY by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:17:04Z
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@marc0janssen @nikolal just b/c you can't vote doesn't mean you don't have any influence on US elections. Do you own any Sony or Motorola products? Do you ever buy Marlboro cigs, Goose Island IPA, or ship FedEx? These corps finance the republican party in the US.
(DIR) Post #9wVojuAQdJIp7sxTwO by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:18:49Z
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@marc0janssen @nikolal the neo-nazi hiring is recent - this isn't WW2. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/amazon-used-neo-nazi-guards-to-keep-immigrant-workforce-under-control-in-germany-8495843.html
(DIR) Post #9wVoozvSeN5kQyNzU0 by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:19:47Z
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@resist1984 @nikolal Werner van Braun always flown to the US to help you guys build rockets. What space technology are you using. You have a microwave, love? Are you now not using microwaves anymore because of Werner von Braun?
(DIR) Post #9wVornCoOqlRqspn2u by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:20:16Z
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@nikolal @marc0janssen #amazon also partnered with BP and Shell to use machine learning to dig for fossil fuel. This is not strictly US harm.
(DIR) Post #9wVosTRTMjRmqW15jE by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T14:04:42Z
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@marc0janssen @nikolal @supernova it sounds like we're talking about not so good friends. If someone is too lazy to install Briar in order to talk to you, do they really care to talk to you? I wouldn't be so fast to call them a friend. You need to stand up for yourself. I don't have a Facebook account and my friends respect that. They know that Facebook is /their/ problem- a bad habit that needs to be kicked.
(DIR) Post #9wVosTc6jBxDNUzaIy by nikolal@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:20:27Z
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@resist1984I should value people over chat app they are willing to use? My really good friends prefer chatting live with beer as communication booster over some stupid app. Get a grip dude@marc0janssen @supernova
(DIR) Post #9wVoyqymldnRaDdlzc by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:21:31Z
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@resist1984 @nikolal but I guess you know what neo-nazis admire , don’t you?
(DIR) Post #9wVp4vVOqvIVMFn81w by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:22:41Z
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@nikolal @supernova @marc0janssen if you value people, this is precisely why you shouldn't be using #Signal. I'm not sure why you think there's a probably with vis-a-vis chat over a beer.
(DIR) Post #9wVpIIec68FEutTgzA by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:25:01Z
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@marc0janssen @nikolal i'm not sure why you seem to be sympathetic to neo-nazis, but there's plenty of *global* wrongdoing at the hands of Amazon, Google, and CloudFlare. If you don't give a shit, then ethics is obviously a moot point for you.
(DIR) Post #9wVpJ3ip6IXStYoDZY by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:25:13Z
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@resist1984 @nikolal I guess this started with a simple question about a chat-app
(DIR) Post #9wVpPuriQZBBSDEowC by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:26:23Z
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@marc0janssen @nikolal that "chat app" feeds corporations who do bad things.
(DIR) Post #9wVpQAzkST6zTl7SgC by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:26:29Z
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@resist1984 @nikolal I am NOT!! I just try to tell that all is not in your hands. And eventually all can have a relation with evil do-ers !
(DIR) Post #9wVpSZnrC18J01hZKa by nikolal@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:27:00Z
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@marc0janssenI gave you my oppinion, do what you want with it@resist1984
(DIR) Post #9wVpTuhKzYEe5qI2C0 by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:27:07Z
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@resist1984 @nikolal all may lead to bad thing. Are you willing to back to a cave and a spear?
(DIR) Post #9wVpWdhAfDWEEGVmtc by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:27:43Z
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@nikolal @resist1984 I will Nikola. Thank you man.
(DIR) Post #9wVpXaMeX9AABiMjbc by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:27:48Z
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@marc0janssen @nikolal are you saying all suppliers are /equally/ evil?
(DIR) Post #9wVpbGCbRCb6oZPvay by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:28:28Z
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@nikolal @marc0janssen if you study what these companies do, their impact on the world is nowhere near equal.
(DIR) Post #9wVpfoXFjKfuSHFOvw by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:29:17Z
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@resist1984 @nikolal I am saying that is whole world is corrupt. And in the end you will always find evil or evil along its path. So you bettter start preparing for your cave.
(DIR) Post #9wVpjGmDBbnOudtMxc by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:29:55Z
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@resist1984 @nikolal what I said. Go find a cave and make a fire.
(DIR) Post #9wVppqYV4fFpcGcBEW by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:31:04Z
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@marc0janssen @nikolal is in effect, you're saying there is no variation in evil.. that it's just as wrong to support a company that uses disposable plates in their kitchen as a company that pollutes and digs for fossil fuels
(DIR) Post #9wVpvzpLW0746qQVt2 by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:32:11Z
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@marc0janssen @nikolal you can choose to be unethical, but you should acknowledge it. The "all companies are evil so no need to boycott" pov is your excuse to not participate in ethical consumption
(DIR) Post #9wVpwUWzMIqfKt4n4q by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:32:16Z
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@resist1984 @nikolal no. I take my responsibility with the environment. But I am not that passionate about it as you.
(DIR) Post #9wVq09NFxgwWsRGivI by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:32:56Z
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@resist1984 @nikolal I boycott my love. But I will also not live in a cave like you want.
(DIR) Post #9wVq0cXBXr7HJd8YvQ by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:32:57Z
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@marc0janssen @nikolal if you're willing to patronize Amazon, then you're not really being environmentally responsible.
(DIR) Post #9wVq8VYVNLj9zKW1NA by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:34:27Z
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@marc0janssen @nikolal to equate giving up Amazon with "living in a cave" is to put material goods above the environment
(DIR) Post #9wVqF4n7HcFP0VTw9Y by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:35:42Z
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@nikolal @marc0janssen you don't have to "live in a cave", you just have to spend a bit more.. sometimes double. Ethics isn't free but if you're going to put greed above it then you're not living ethically
(DIR) Post #9wVqImPfYS9bAOHSXQ by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:36:19Z
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@resist1984 @nikolal yes I do at times. That is called living. Look love, the problem is there are 7 billion people on this earth. The LONELY way to fix YOUR problem is to get ride of 7 billion people.
(DIR) Post #9wVqNox7XYISUUKZzk by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:37:15Z
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@marc0janssen @nikolal this is just another recycling of the claim "being ethical is impossible". It's total horseshit.
(DIR) Post #9wVqRNTfdL3OR9FgH2 by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:37:55Z
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@nikolal @marc0janssen being ethical entails patronizing the competitors of the least ethical suppliers. You're just making excuses to feed your greed.
(DIR) Post #9wVqVWsibynKlFwoUq by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:38:38Z
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@resist1984 @nikolal ethical at 5% ? 10% 30% ? 70% or 150%
(DIR) Post #9wVrJEY335WyNdypAO by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T15:47:40Z
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@resist1984 @nikolal maybe I will. I can’t keep up you with the flood of messages either. Keep your resistance up 100%. Good luck in the world, love.
(DIR) Post #9wVtLlEogCVcFmJjqi by supernova@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T16:10:34Z
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@nikolal @resist1984 @marc0janssen This is getting away from the OP request for suggestions. You could slowly limit your use of WhatsApp, not respond to them in a timely manner and mention that Signal is the best way to contact you. Don't cut off WA completely but make it a little painful. Most people have lots of apps, so ask them to kindly install Signal, what's one more really going to hurt?
(DIR) Post #9wWLeEVDPY14wdaHwW by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-27T21:27:38Z
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@nikolal @supernova @marc0janssen it's the other way around. It's your friends who don't value you if they refuse to contact you using your chosen app of higher ethical and privacy standards.
(DIR) Post #9wYNjNLkX5ia3ZelmK by 9uqjgkkMcxGoO2B5m4.jeroen@social.franssen.xyz
2020-06-28T21:00:24.364288Z
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@resist1984 @marc0janssen @nikolal you don't need to use matrix.org to use matrix. Self hosting is not so difficult and then you can easily bridge WhatsApp, messenger, telegram,... @yunohost gets you online pretty quickly with all the # fediverse goodies
(DIR) Post #9wYNqs4Si7BVMc91tI by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-28T21:01:44Z
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@jeroen @yunohost @nikolal @resist1984 bridge WhatsApp, is that for really!?
(DIR) Post #9wYNt6xsJ5VU8R8EQC by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-28T21:02:06Z
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@jeroen @yunohost @nikolal @resist1984 bridge WhatsApp, is that for real!?
(DIR) Post #9wZDyShgFaC008vS7c by 9uqjgkkMcxGoO2B5m4.jeroen@social.franssen.xyz
2020-06-29T06:45:47.759907Z
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@marc0janssen @nikolal @resist1984 yes doing it for more than a year now. @yunohost has an app for it but you still need to run an android VM somewhere. I run mine in a docker.
(DIR) Post #9wZTpdjnSGT4spjMsC by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-29T09:43:24Z
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@jeroen @yunohost @nikolal @resist1984 Well this idea seems temping, but a bridge to whatsapp will still have my conversations on whatsapp. Then you sort of missed the whole point of walking away from whatsapp.
(DIR) Post #9wZYSEnOWQNIdb4dw8 by 9uqjgkkMcxGoO2B5m4.jeroen@social.franssen.xyz
2020-06-29T10:35:17.226709Z
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@marc0janssen @yunohost @nikolal @resist1984 not really. At least they don't now any more where I've been and fingerprint my phone.
(DIR) Post #9x392zzHlxrdMLInGS by techit@linuxrocks.online
2020-07-13T17:10:26Z
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@resist1984 @nikolal @marc0janssen who told you that
(DIR) Post #9x3930Y1gneZ65YXPk by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-13T17:11:51Z
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@techit @resist1984 @nikolal oh please don’t light this fire again.
(DIR) Post #9x39T2hkIERFJcW5dw by techit@linuxrocks.online
2020-07-13T17:15:35Z
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@marc0janssen @resist1984 @nikolal hahaBTW signal is good, you should use it
(DIR) Post #9x39T3UJNfHpkFEsLI by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-13T17:16:36Z
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@techit @resist1984 @nikolal I know. The rest was just extreme left wing propaganda.
(DIR) Post #9x6ru3UeRmqv2Pxju4 by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T12:18:34Z
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@marc0janssen @nikolal @techit Perhaps in the 1940s you could call opposition to racism "extremism", but in 2020 it's mainstream to oppose racist ideologies. It's mainstream to accept the science on climate change. It's climate denial and white nationalism that requires propaganda.
(DIR) Post #9x6rx4ms5pXTv4vQlU by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T12:19:07Z
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@marc0janssen @nikolal @techit Perhaps in the 1940s you could call opposition to racism "extremism", but in 2020 it's mainstream to oppose racist ideologies. It's mainstream to accept the science on climate change. It's climate denial and white nationalism that require propaganda.
(DIR) Post #9x6sLOonGn6UzjQG7k by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T12:23:30Z
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@resist1984 @nikolal @techit but weird to look in every corner with your conspiracy eyes and call every thing neo-nazi if so where in a far distance something is amiss. You’re weird.
(DIR) Post #9x6tSd8iWPGvOPkm3c by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T12:36:02Z
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@marc0janssen @techit @nikolal it's very Trump-like to cry "hoax" or "conspiracy" as a knee-jerk reaction as you are. But it doesn't work - not without siting your sources. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/amazon-used-neo-nazi-guards-to-keep-immigrant-workforce-under-control-in-germany-8495843.html
(DIR) Post #9x6tVgIVEmOs3Uml3A by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T12:36:34Z
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@marc0janssen @techit @nikolal it's very Trump-like to cry "hoax" or "conspiracy" as a knee-jerk reaction as you are. But it doesn't work - not without citing your sources. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/amazon-used-neo-nazi-guards-to-keep-immigrant-workforce-under-control-in-germany-8495843.html
(DIR) Post #9x6te4LJilcswo6LdA by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T12:38:08Z
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@resist1984 @techit @nikolal that’s good. I dislike trump. But it seems you are a great fan because you see conspiracy everywhere.
(DIR) Post #9x6tiuC8sWXevE7Fyq by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T12:38:59Z
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@marc0janssen @nikolal @techit i'm citing sources, you're claiming "conspiracy"
(DIR) Post #9x6u2FdDOxceuP0J8q by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T12:42:29Z
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@resist1984 @nikolal @techit about your source: every king wrote down his on history. He did so after defeating the reveal king.
(DIR) Post #9x6uryvsjV66AzOzyq by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T12:51:45Z
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@resist1984 @nikolal @techit Dude, if you dig deep enough there is always dirty to be found, even in technology you use, or your landlord, or the energy-company you use... whatever. Then you need to let go of society and go live in the woods.
(DIR) Post #9x6v7dOoYqb81cOnkO by techit@linuxrocks.online
2020-07-15T12:53:04Z
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@marc0janssen @resist1984 @nikolal it seems the best approach
(DIR) Post #9x6v7hsNuqczuUGTOS by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T12:54:36Z
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@techit @resist1984 @nikolal LOL!!
(DIR) Post #9x6xswK6DgdeEesVSi by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T13:25:31Z
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@marc0janssen @techit @nikolal if you think the history books are too hard on the nazis, you're free to leave Germany and write a book that sets the record straight
(DIR) Post #9x6y67Ta44faaeb7AW by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T13:27:55Z
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@marc0janssen @techit @nikolal yes, there is usually dirt to be found. This is not good rationale for ignoring it. It's not an excuse for social irresponsibility. If you're an ethical consumer, you avoid the greatest evils and patronize the lesser of evils.
(DIR) Post #9x6yEKB4izJ2Ier1UW by techit@linuxrocks.online
2020-07-15T13:28:27Z
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@resist1984 @marc0janssen @nikolal signal isn't the evil
(DIR) Post #9x6yElPXTJv0lKpSHg by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T13:29:27Z
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@techit @nikolal @marc0janssen of course it is. https://github.com/privacytoolsIO/privacytools.io/issues/779
(DIR) Post #9x6yk4t56nrG92ZxJI by techit@linuxrocks.online
2020-07-15T13:30:59Z
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@resist1984 @nikolal @marc0janssen I saw this, it isn't the evil, it might be your own political thoughts nothing more
(DIR) Post #9x6yk5vxDbkZOEvlQW by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T13:35:03Z
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@techit @marc0janssen @nikolal political ideas obviously separate evil from non-evil. It's the whole point of politics, in fact.
(DIR) Post #9x70aLVeeXtyi56mwK by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T13:55:52Z
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@techit @resist1984 @nikolal Exactly, put down that political coloured shades!
(DIR) Post #9x70pglpt4uezezdh2 by techit@linuxrocks.online
2020-07-15T13:35:40Z
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@resist1984 @marc0janssen @nikolal good luck
(DIR) Post #9x70ph8AY2mG6vRTVI by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T13:58:40Z
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@techit @resist1984 @nikolal exactly... this one can't be cured from the FAAAAAAAAR-left virus.
(DIR) Post #9x71zHnPhGkcO0s4wK by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T14:11:36Z
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@resist1984 @techit @nikolal You are soooo stupid.
(DIR) Post #9x7384r3HWWooHKSSO by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T14:24:23Z
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@marc0janssen @nikolal @techit To ignore politics is to be ignorant. It's ignorance by choice, which is worse. And it's consistent with your contempt for ethical consumption.
(DIR) Post #9x73lqVi24i5uCJEYa by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T14:31:33Z
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@resist1984 @nikolal @techit I respect your choices, but they are not mine. No need to convince me. In your eyes I'm a neo-nazi sympathizer. That will never change in your eyes. But which is not true. But because your standpoint to so far left, from your point of view I look like a right-winged person, which I am not. (probably all sensible people are right-winged in your eyes).
(DIR) Post #9x74CocbABh5rkOLQW by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T14:36:26Z
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@marc0janssen @techit @nikolal this is like saying "those Trump supporters are not racist". While some are not, but in the end their actions support racist policy. You've chosen to continue supporting Amazon, which doesn't make you racist, anti-environment, anti-workers rights, and pro-surveillance, but it makes you a supporter of those outcomes.
(DIR) Post #9x74En2M1empWxNdVg by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T14:36:48Z
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@marc0janssen @techit @nikolal this is like saying "those Trump supporters are not racist". While some are not, in the end their actions support racist policy. You've chosen to continue supporting Amazon, which doesn't make you racist, anti-environment, anti-workers rights, and pro-surveillance, but it makes you a supporter of those outcomes.
(DIR) Post #9x74M3UbF6lKas3Y0m by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2020-07-15T14:38:15.336500Z
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@marc0janssen @resist1984 @nikolal @techit Crazy Leftists call everyone a Nazi.Then they run into someone farther Right than the Nazis, and they just sort of babble for awhile and then run away.
(DIR) Post #9x74hLWLPSTkaX1Zzc by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T14:41:55Z
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@resist1984 @techit @nikolal yes dear resist1984, but if I choose to do not so I end up in the woods with a campfire and a bunch of veggies on a stick. Because all the stuff I use in life could be traced back to something “evil”.
(DIR) Post #9x74zKiz6m6TKcVuzo by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T14:45:02Z
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@marc0janssen @nikolal @techit that's a false dichotomy. Treating everything as a binary "evil or non-evil" and calling all evil is the same degree of evil is just a broken rationalization for ethical neglect. If you don't buy your books from Amazon, you can still buy them from the family owned and operated bookstore down the street.
(DIR) Post #9x758n5F2W67tLQy2q by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T14:46:45Z
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@resist1984 @nikolal @techit That is true. But do you trace that family-owed bookstore to make sure they "were not wrong in the war" too?
(DIR) Post #9x75JKwK1BYfn4I4wK by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T14:48:48Z
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@marc0janssen @techit @nikolal there's a limit on how much investigation you can do, but certainly if an ethical consumer comes across some damning information they move on to a lesser evil.
(DIR) Post #9x75RmoeG6luZ0jLjE by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T14:50:21Z
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@resist1984 @techit @nikolal But for me "whole of amazon" is not bad, if 1 manager decides to hire the wrong security company. I'm sure this mistake was corrected!
(DIR) Post #9x75gwCXe8p0128Bpw by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T14:53:06Z
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@marc0janssen @nikolal @techit #Amazon is one of the most evil companies you can patronize. It would be a struggle to find a less ethical supplier. Environment alone is sufficient to boycott them: https://framagit.org/greenfediverse/green-instances/-/issues/4
(DIR) Post #9x75oUtz1peFfI3UWW by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T14:54:26Z
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@techit @nikolal @marc0janssen Amazon runs extreme sweat shops with no mercy for workers who are extra vulnerable to COVID19. The privacy abuses are endless.
(DIR) Post #9x75p0HSMbqOz4HAum by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T14:54:29Z
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@resist1984 @nikolal @techit But what about, Google? Samsung? Apple? to name just a few....
(DIR) Post #9x75sTQQSdlgF97sFE by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T14:55:12Z
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@resist1984 @techit @nikolal Have you been badly treated by Amazon?
(DIR) Post #9x75v4RNoFCHcjoPaa by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T14:55:40Z
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@marc0janssen @techit @nikolal Google is less evil than Amazon, but still evil. There are more ethical data centers to use than AWS and Google cloud.
(DIR) Post #9x75y4YDr7BapoRV4a by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T14:56:14Z
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@resist1984 @techit @nikolal I feel a vendetta
(DIR) Post #9x7625YW3uN96pUkbI by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T14:56:50Z
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@marc0janssen @nikolal @techit Back before I was boycotting Amazon, I did have a bad experience with them. But it's irrelevant. I boycott them over their endless list of social wrongdoing
(DIR) Post #9x764VkldBIcwGNeWO by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T14:57:19Z
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@resist1984 @techit @nikolal You are moving more to the forrest with that campfire and the veggies on the stock now, you realize that right?
(DIR) Post #9x767OLRdEP0pYuSP2 by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T14:57:52Z
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@resist1984 @techit @nikolal You are moving more to the forrest with that campfire and the veggies on the stick now, you realize that right?
(DIR) Post #9x76I0LtB1jJbUB6Rs by lain_os@yggdrasil.social
2020-07-15T14:59:55.693051Z
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@amerika @marc0janssen @nikolal @resist1984 @techit "Nazis" have been irrelevant and practically dead for over 70 years, yet their enemies are still paranoid, afraid and stop seeing them everywhere.
(DIR) Post #9x76LiTdZsadK7ZXSS by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T15:00:20Z
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@resist1984 @nikolal @techit The point is all big Companies do some kind of wrong.I like #apple a lot, but hey they squeeze that chinese workers how build their iPhones... But which smartphone manufacture doesn't.... I don't want to go back to the clay-tablet..
(DIR) Post #9x76W2HMoD3FdOkmBc by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T15:02:20Z
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@marc0janssen @techit @nikolal Your point is still based on the false dichotomy that the choice is evil and not evil. There are many degrees of evil, and #Fairfone and #Pinephone are far less evil than iPhone.
(DIR) Post #9x76ms7BqtEn2A1OGe by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T15:05:08Z
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@resist1984 @techit @nikolal I just told you I don't want a clay-tablet
(DIR) Post #9x76sNQoqSYTbmpNho by techit@linuxrocks.online
2020-07-15T15:03:08Z
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@resist1984 @marc0janssen @nikolal than what are you using
(DIR) Post #9x76sOUktJIWuHg2To by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T15:06:26Z
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@techit @resist1984 @nikolal And yes, what do you use? What is your weapon of choice??
(DIR) Post #9x76ykWTuAmoxjVys4 by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T15:07:31Z
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@techit @nikolal @marc0janssen If I had to buy a phone now, it would probably be a #Fairfone or #Pinephone. But the most ethical phone is the one you already have. It's better not to replace one needlessly. I don't need anything newer than my old Wiko.
(DIR) Post #9x771Ob5sdvDpWvypU by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T15:08:00Z
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@resist1984 @techit @nikolal And Yes there are many levels of evils. And the only thing you want is that I choose the same level as you.
(DIR) Post #9x778RPVorJca9sOwq by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T15:09:16Z
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@marc0janssen @nikolal @techit i guess i'd be satisfied if you just reach the point of acknowledging that there are many evils and accept that as rationale to avoid the worst of them.
(DIR) Post #9x77AJYjyrceoN5PRA by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T15:09:40Z
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@resist1984 @techit @nikolal Then I am SUPER evil... I like (and buy) a new iPhone every other year. Christ... I must be the ultimate neo-nazi now!!!
(DIR) Post #9x77B4Lw0IIzwGSLVA by resist1984@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T15:09:42Z
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@marc0janssen @nikolal @techit i guess i'd be satisfied if you just reach the point of acknowledging that there are many degrees of evil and accept that as rationale to avoid the worst of them.
(DIR) Post #9x77aI5i3ud1mqtTLk by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T15:14:15Z
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@resist1984 @nikolal @techit that is what every sane human being would do or not? The point is everybody has different morals and values to check this on.
(DIR) Post #9x77i9pGfxRCTAxETQ by marc0janssen@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-15T15:15:45Z
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@resist1984 @nikolal @techit One is sure dear Resist1984... You and I will never chat on the same messaging-service =))))
(DIR) Post #9x7BtO86EcCbplNDBA by Simpadoo@freespeechextremist.com
2020-07-15T16:02:42.888942Z
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@amerika @marc0janssen @nikolal @resist1984 @techitA18C6755-ACBD-4EE9-B80F-3A3D957…
(DIR) Post #9xIArmRattwDRuijQ0 by techit@linuxrocks.online
2020-07-15T15:15:29Z
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@resist1984 @marc0janssen @nikolal I do, this is why I chose signal as my prefered im
(DIR) Post #9xIArnKBcvbgBEGKVk by Obscurial@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-20T23:12:52Z
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@techit @resist1984 @marc0janssen @nikolal Hi, if I can contribute with one more tool, I'm testing Session, a part of the Loki project. Probably not for everyone, but it fits a lot of requirements.Foss, No phone number,no metadata,same e2e encryption as a fork of signal.https://github.com/loki-project/session-ios
(DIR) Post #9xIDIcEVAoGBVUWKOW by techit@linuxrocks.online
2020-07-20T23:18:46Z
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@Obscurial @resist1984 @marc0janssen @nikolal I don't think it's ready yet. nor I understand lokinet.xmpp, matrix, or signal are the best in class as for today
(DIR) Post #9xIDIce1dug0meSiB6 by Obscurial@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-20T23:40:12Z
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@techit @resist1984 @marc0janssen @nikolal yep, it is still growing.But if you are curious there is a good podcast about Session from Michaell Bezzell's The PRIVACY, SECURITY, & OSINT Showhttps://soundcloud.com/user-98066669/164-session-private-messenger