Post 9x570R4ApIsUsk9sO0 by michcio@om.nom.pl
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(DIR) Post #9x4cMm4AKhePntKJ3A by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-07-14T10:15:09.943794Z
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Oslo just paid a 50 000 000 EUR bill to Microsoft, just for licenses.At least that's what I'm gleaming because the article is paid and I don't have a subscription to this particular news site.They say "Oslo" bought it, but it's unclear if that means it was to run the city, or for the central government in general. who are located in Oslo
(DIR) Post #9x4cTzXMe9bfbtQR7Y by valerauko@pawoo.net
2020-07-14T10:16:30Z
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@quad office 365 business model working hard
(DIR) Post #9x4cUYpfQ62l4nG30a by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-07-14T10:16:34.965528Z
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You know what the worst part is?These licenses are probably yearly.That's like 50€/citizen just in yearly licensing costs to Microsoft.I knew Norway was insanely Microsoft dependent, so this doesn't surprise me one bit.
(DIR) Post #9x4cWqBrr0a7UTjGgi by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-07-14T10:17:00.961696Z
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@valerauko If it's not Office 365 it's probably just run in Azure instead.
(DIR) Post #9x4cpjZQguDUSel7UO by zaun@fedi.absturztau.be
2020-07-14T10:20:26.801608Z
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@quad how about just using libreoffice... god
(DIR) Post #9x4cqRdAsLM970qjR2 by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-07-14T10:20:31.539607Z
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Specifically the translation of the headline is "Oslo is dependent* on Microsoft. Purchases licenses for 575 million NOK"* "avhengig" depends on interpretation. Dictionary-wise it means dependent. But usually denotes addiction. If you're addicted to drugs you are "avhengig av dopmiddel"
(DIR) Post #9x4d1o0E2Q6DgN356W by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-07-14T10:22:34.613653Z
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@zaun If I had to guess most of this is OS licenses or cloud shit.When you pay volume licensing it's yearly bills. Whether it's Windows 10 Enterprise or Windows Server.And while consumers only think of the Office software suite for the money, Office 365 also does stuff like host your mailbox, like G suite. Almost every company I know of in Norway has all of their E-mail entrusted to Office 365. The ones who don't usually just have it in G Suite instead.And then there's probably just some Azure shit ontop.
(DIR) Post #9x4d38EEKA1ahYEQJk by Miaourt@niu.moe
2020-07-14T10:22:02Z
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@quad here in addition to office and windows license we also have our defense dep, hospitals, and education on it :blobcathyper: €€€€€
(DIR) Post #9x4d8pKTVJlZp8rtYm by zaun@fedi.absturztau.be
2020-07-14T10:23:53.988925Z
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@quad I mean sure.... but governmets and corps always have the office suite argument, they often even admit that they could replace everything else
(DIR) Post #9x4d9DDufMmHvjyzfE by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-07-14T10:23:55.393796Z
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@Miaourt Well same here. There isn't anything that doesn't run on Windows as far as I'm aware. But more than that stuff is Microsoft in general.I don't want to know how many Norwegian companies have their entire E-mail infrastructure entrusted to Office 365. But from the ones I've interacted with, it seems to be more than 90%.
(DIR) Post #9x4dDq28JUsxSJg8eG by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-07-14T10:24:47.191361Z
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"Linux is only free if your time is free"Cool, now remind me how much time you can get for 50 million euros?
(DIR) Post #9x4dFysqNbTtU1M68O by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-07-14T10:25:02Z
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@quad > 50 EUR / year / personYou could get everyone a VPS for this much.A state-funded VPS for every citizen.
(DIR) Post #9x4dJ1wFThVNpJOzBI by igel@jaeger.website
2020-07-14T10:25:42.608283Z
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@quad thats a lotta time
(DIR) Post #9x4dJFiEGcbqXswzGy by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-07-14T10:25:45.469594Z
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@wolf480pl A VPS?If you buy in large enough bulk to get decent pricing you could get a full dedicated server for every citizen instead.
(DIR) Post #9x4dK5i0wfKpoHFY9o by Miaourt@niu.moe
2020-07-14T10:25:53Z
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@quad *pull hair*I'm admirative on how in EU we reacted like crazy when Huawei was accusated of whatever I remeber by many companies or even governements getting rid of Huawei products, but even after hundreds of breachs in our data or immense racket of money we still don't try to "ease the dependance" :'D
(DIR) Post #9x4dSpmLXgqb0fRf9s by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-07-14T10:27:27.789780Z
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@wolf480pl Granted it'd probably be on the weaker side.But if you bought 5 million identical servers I don't don't doubt that the price would be pretty fucking low.
(DIR) Post #9x4dT0VNf6oQHEalk0 by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-07-14T10:27:28Z
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@quad I suspected that'd be the case, but couldn't find data to back it up.So yeah.A dedi for every citizen.
(DIR) Post #9x4dWOnNo7zUTsd6xM by piggo@piggo.space
2020-07-14T10:28:08.258403Z
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@quad 50 mil for literally nothing, gg
(DIR) Post #9x4dX1yO98y1zJ4x1c by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-07-14T10:28:14.957430Z
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@wolf480pl It's definitely possible.Even if not x86, Scaleway already sells dedicated quad-core ARM boards for 2.99€ a month.Or 1.99€ a month without the IPv4 address.
(DIR) Post #9x4dYsj7Uk5JtFosgy by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-07-14T10:28:35.475473Z
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@piggo 50 mil just to get mercy from their overlords
(DIR) Post #9x4db8oGfZO8LlIy9Y by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-07-14T10:28:56Z
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@quad see I knew Scaleway was selling sth like that but looked at their website and couldn't find it...
(DIR) Post #9x4dfp7RJ52KjCVNIW by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-07-14T10:29:49.593891Z
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@wolf480pl Wait, is it deprecated?nice. the european side of openings.moe is still powered by one of those quad-core arm machines with 2GB of ram
(DIR) Post #9x4dgbI4Cs3g83qXWi by piggo@piggo.space
2020-07-14T10:29:59.930016Z
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@quad would buy a nice yacht or two
(DIR) Post #9x4dorcJOATR57FwAK by angristan@mstdn.io
2020-07-14T10:31:15Z
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@quad @wolf480pl they'll be shut down in a few months, be careful
(DIR) Post #9x4dpi5sHV1DprUHSq by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-07-14T10:31:37.311136Z
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@piggo That depends on size. For a smaller yacht (sub-30m) you could probably buy 20.
(DIR) Post #9x4drbalQSFMFXq6M4 by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-07-14T10:31:54.512210Z
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@angristan @wolf480pl god damn it. I liked the consistent performance of those things
(DIR) Post #9x4e5rUH7kJVbPbOyG by piggo@piggo.space
2020-07-14T10:34:32.644898Z
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@quad this looks nice(now google will show me rich-fucks targeted ads)
(DIR) Post #9x4eJfDXXXXzbOM7jE by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-07-14T10:37:02.980927Z
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@piggo Yeah that's a damn nice yacht
(DIR) Post #9x4eqfJIDRqXRimbke by cereal@shitposter.club
2020-07-14T10:43:01.613658Z
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@quad imagine paying for software that can't save a document without asking a shitty server for permission. If the current state doesn't tell these morons that hooking everything to the "cloud" is a bad idea I don't want to imagine what it takes.
(DIR) Post #9x4mVxqqss3oVF7VFA by papush@niu.moe
2020-07-14T12:05:57Z
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@quad and how long it takes to set windows up when it’s not set up for you…
(DIR) Post #9x4mVy6nvYoxIiaF6m by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-07-14T12:08:52.890592Z
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@papush I think we both know that any large institution automates computer deployment.At least I sure hope they do, otherwise they must be stuck far in the past.
(DIR) Post #9x4mjSwoa3A2i7LaF6 by papush@niu.moe
2020-07-14T12:09:23Z
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@quad yeah, and that takes lots of time and manpower, no less than if it were linux i’m sure…
(DIR) Post #9x4mjTTQcnFULGbd4q by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-07-14T12:11:18.780198Z
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@papush Of course Linux takes time. But generally you set things up once and from there you can shoot out deployed machines at roughly the same rate. The real question is if the total yearly wages of the IT department that has to support them really costs 50 million euros more per year, or if the cost would be roughly the same after the initial bump of Linux training for the first few years.
(DIR) Post #9x4muHjCdPy96D8ggS by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-07-14T12:13:05.676295Z
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@papush And I dunno.Current IT department cost + 50 million euros extrasounds like quite an easy bar to stay under.
(DIR) Post #9x4qvTmbhSoOapYYzI by kumicota@weeaboo.space
2020-07-14T12:58:20.009646Z
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@quad my country has something called "Free software law"(lei so software livre) where it basically says that public organizations must give preference to open and free software than paid one.Because almost every organization is controlled by boomer that doesn't know how to use anything besides windows, many of them still relies a lot on it which made that an university had to auction a building because it used pirated Microsoft software(I didn't found a link I English) https://www.tecmundo.com.br/mercado/121539-universidade-rio-tem-predio-leiloado-ter-usado-windows-pirata.htmWhich they could avoid easily by using Linux for almost everything there
(DIR) Post #9x4rHdA9VUSU3S8Fo8 by kumicota@weeaboo.space
2020-07-14T13:02:21.288530Z
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@quad they had to auction an entire building just to pay Microsoft for the software that they used pirated*Just doing some fix instead of deleting and posting again
(DIR) Post #9x4rQWrSIzUX7Jd7Im by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-07-14T13:03:54.919954Z
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@kumicota Good law, too bad the tech noobs can't follow it.I think Italy has been decent at switching a few towns over to Linux. But we're still far from governments being able to leave Windows.
(DIR) Post #9x4riiDOpXgjXjZ3TM by kumicota@weeaboo.space
2020-07-14T13:07:12.736675Z
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@quad agree at least here the government don't use windows server, every(or almost) government server runs on Linux which makes less pricy but still should apply for everything
(DIR) Post #9x4tsYTG76tu7sntFA by kumicota@weeaboo.space
2020-07-14T13:31:24.609250Z
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@quad yes, I remembered now that because of that some members of a state dropped the law on their state where it saved them about 180 Millions in licensing
(DIR) Post #9x561PXPtVsoTejncG by cuniculus@cmpwn.com
2020-07-14T15:44:34Z
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@quad @wolf480pl Scaleway also announced that they "evolved" their pricinghttps://cmpwn.com/@sir/104450058067251727
(DIR) Post #9x561QKgwJIYwTn9Q8 by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-07-14T15:47:14Z
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@cuniculus @quad What?Pricing is evolving!
(DIR) Post #9x567P10kazuasRAki by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-07-14T15:48:32.486535Z
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@cuniculus @wolf480pl yeah i heard about that. scaleway has always been pretty bad imo but they still have the best bandwidth pricing out there for the 10TB or so that openings.moe needs in europe
(DIR) Post #9x56Q6zLzuvKBeaEDY by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-07-14T15:51:55.562766Z
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@cuniculus @wolf480pl Honestly considered overpaying for an OVH server just to give them the middle finger.I've been with them since the start, when they were invite-only and the 2.99 ARM machine was the single thing they sold. And since the start their storage backend has been cheap, but too unreliable for anything but a scratch disk. I gave them some slack since they were new and hoped they'd fix it over time but it hasn't really changed much. And now the lower-end servers aren't even dedicated anymore.Sadly I don't think Scaleway would miss my 2.99 euros if I left. So wasting 10TB of their bandwidth for that price might be better than leaving in that sense
(DIR) Post #9x56fEs0yaOcyWMc0O by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-07-14T15:54:38Z
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@quad @cuniculus btw. looks like online.net now redirects to scaleway, too.Wonder if me and my friend's dedi is being phased out as well...
(DIR) Post #9x56pwM49jNSjiWTOS by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-07-14T15:56:35.514810Z
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@wolf480pl @cuniculus Yeah they changed to using Scaleway as their main brand a while back. Which I find weird as fuck because I've heard little positive about Scaleway when compared to Online.Or before Scaleway existed, Online and Online Labs.
(DIR) Post #9x570Qpzg1XGAlWYHg by michcio@om.nom.pl
2020-07-14T15:56:59.017012Z
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@wolf480pl @quad @cuniculus if you log in it takes you back to online.net
(DIR) Post #9x570R4ApIsUsk9sO0 by michcio@om.nom.pl
2020-07-14T15:57:23.999810Z
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@wolf480pl @quad @cuniculus it's just called Scaleway Dedibox now
(DIR) Post #9x570RLBo2UNjW7SuO by quad@weeaboo.space
2020-07-14T15:58:29.084764Z
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@michcio @cuniculus @wolf480pl Yeah. No wonder because "Online.net by Scaleway" was even stupider.
(DIR) Post #9x578NcvUx0yX0CZrU by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-07-14T15:59:54Z
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@quad @cuniculus 1. be a relatively unknown brand with high quality products2. spin up a new brand on the side, for selling trash products3. wait for the new brand to get bad fame4. unify all your products under the... brand known for selling trash?
(DIR) Post #9x5BiBjjaBhBtciTPU by cuniculus@cmpwn.com
2020-07-14T16:50:24Z
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@wolf480pl @quad Online.net is "Scaleway Dedibox", while the old Scaleway is "Scaleway Elements".Meanwhile Iliad Datacenter was rebranded "Scaleway Datacenter"