Post 9x3GoYk34fBORAniCm by Mikoto@enigmatic.observer
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(DIR) Post #9x1fDZ7enxITRRNe6K by Mikoto@enigmatic.observer
2020-07-13T00:03:01.203297Z
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@georgia Have you tried https://play.aidungeon.io/ ? I have been patting a virtual cat for the past half an hour even though the real one is in front of me.
(DIR) Post #9x1xFJmuaV8zdVf7ei by colonelj@kiwifarms.cc
2020-07-13T03:25:01.643867Z
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@Mikoto @georgia this guy has been trying to gaslight me into killing the king> You look around.You find nothing, and continue walking. Suddenly, you hear a noise.You turn around, and see a figure standing there. It's difficult to see, as it is wearing a hooded black cloak.> You prepare for a fight.The figure steps forward, and you prepare for a fight."Who are you?" you demand."My real name is irrelevant," the figure says.> You "what do you want with me?""I want you to kill the king.""What?""The king. Your father."You don't respond.> You "Is the king really my dad?""Yes.""By whose decree?""The Gods' and Mortos's."You don't respond."What is it that you think your relationship is?" the figure asks.> You "i have no clue. I've never met my father.""Then why would you kill him?""I would not kill him.""Of course you wouldn't. But if you were to succeed in killing John the Hermit, then you would be king.> You "I do not want to be king.""Of course you don't. But if it were to happen, you would have to serve the people, and that means giving up your own power to do what's best for them.> You "Why do you want me to kill the king? Why can't you do it yourself?"The figure sighs, before replying."Because the king is planning on building a portal to Mortos.""So?> You "Why can't YOU kill the king and stop his plan yourself?""Because I'm not a murderer.""You're telling me you would kill a man over an idea? That's stupid!> You "I am not a murderer either.""Yes, you are. You plan on killing your father, who doesn't even know how to build a portal to Mortos. You're just a simple peasant with simple dreams of becoming a simple knight one day."> You "That's not true."> You "I am not planning on killing my father.""Yes, you are. You've been trying to sneak out your room at night to go kill him for the past year.""I have not."> You "go away""I'm not arguing about this. You're a murderer, a future killer of kings and heroes. But most importantly, you're a murderer of dreams."The figure turns around, and walks off into the forest.
(DIR) Post #9x1xSoGwYhu3wk8uX2 by Mikoto@enigmatic.observer
2020-07-13T03:27:27.877408Z
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@colonelj @georgia :cirno_laughing: amazing
(DIR) Post #9x29XL1JwXp27YlErg by Mikoto@enigmatic.observer
2020-07-13T05:42:44.477965Z
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@georgia @colonelj @p I am not kept up with this new drama. And yes, p is pretty cool based on what I have seen so far (except he likes lua, ew).
(DIR) Post #9x29dSv5UCcqMGlcuG by Jojothegoodperson@freespeechextremist.com
2020-07-13T05:43:52.238761Z
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@georgia @Mikoto @colonelj @pI just told colonelj in dms to remove those videos that were critical of me and he said he privated them, but I told him again to remove the videos because I knew he was going to unprivated those videos, and if were wondering what those videos were about, it's plain old drama from years ago.
(DIR) Post #9x29tjME8fGpyLDX9c by Mikoto@enigmatic.observer
2020-07-13T05:46:47.555102Z
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@georgia @colonelj @p my reply was solely about the ai adventure thing
(DIR) Post #9x2ABw0zoi7URQy1J2 by Jojothegoodperson@freespeechextremist.com
2020-07-13T05:50:06.005480Z
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@georgia @Mikoto @colonelj @pDidnt you see my response?
(DIR) Post #9x2SqywRdgLiZ9YpIu by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-07-13T09:19:12.526710Z
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@georgia @Mikoto @colonelj I GOT NO CHILL but also thank you.
(DIR) Post #9x2Sv173VbNmSSRpYG by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-07-13T09:19:56.242292Z
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@Mikoto @georgia @colonelj I love Forth, too!
(DIR) Post #9x2XsTXNrykXW9N13g by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-07-13T10:15:30.163089Z
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@georgia @Mikoto @colonelj @snacks It is one of the Four Main Languages: C, Lisp, Forth, APL. Everything else is just fragments of those languages mashed together.
(DIR) Post #9x2l2t4V5VyX0h9gZs by lucky@pleroma.mouse.services
2020-07-13T12:43:01.495390Z
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@p @georgia @Mikoto @colonelj @snacks What about tcl and basic?
(DIR) Post #9x2lDyWx8FwD7skbo0 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-07-13T12:45:03.273160Z
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@lucky @Mikoto @colonelj @georgia @snacks Tcl is bits of C and Lisp, BASIC is just 10% of C.
(DIR) Post #9x2lnRZT9TYfKTqAWe by shark@weeaboo.space
2020-07-13T12:51:26.382921Z
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@p @lucky @Mikoto @colonelj @georgia @snacks
(DIR) Post #9x2lyR1hW7mMpFHpZo by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-07-13T12:53:27.051956Z
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@shark @Mikoto @colonelj @georgia @lucky @snacks Ha, I tried to argue this point at a Java friend once, but using Forth.
(DIR) Post #9x2mCMSTIYyMiBRtcO by lucky@pleroma.mouse.services
2020-07-13T12:55:56.178270Z
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@p @georgia @Mikoto @colonelj @snacks Also, should C be replaced with Algol?And Fortran and COBOL are both older. Then there’s visual programming languages like LabView.
(DIR) Post #9x2mKjgEqLMj3AsidE by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-07-13T12:57:28.868511Z
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@lucky @Mikoto @colonelj @georgia @snacks I'm talkin' the spirit of these things.Oh, also, how did you calculate statistical significance from this data? I have about 30 times as much as previously.
(DIR) Post #9x2mNG43PX6m4DDwPY by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-07-13T12:57:56.204459Z
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@georgia @Mikoto @colonelj @lucky @shark @snacks This is just dumb computer science jokes mainly.
(DIR) Post #9x2mTqg6C9y1MMA5M8 by lucky@pleroma.mouse.services
2020-07-13T12:59:04.915890Z
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@p @Mikoto @colonelj @georgia @snacks Did you post it? I was busy with the drama yesterday, and unfortunately I have some job related work I still need to do.
(DIR) Post #9x2oGrDj4E1tBYp7EO by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-07-13T13:19:11.427876Z
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@lucky I didn't yet; I'm kinda sick of the stuff but I'm interested in how you got the confidence level because I read the ENTIRE WIKIPEDIA PAGE and I don't know how to apply that to this data.
(DIR) Post #9x2odpNC6Lie7ICmgq by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-07-13T13:23:20.515763Z
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@georgia @Mikoto @colonelj @lucky @shark @snacks Eh, I don't think you get much use of a CS degree. We still don't know how to actually teach CS. Math and a minor in philosophy probably get you a better CS education than a CS degree at most places, unless it's one of the schools where the shit got invented. (MIT, Stanford, CMU, Caltech, etc. But I'm pretty sure going to MIT gives people actual brain problems, I suspect people shouldn't be allowed into MIT before 20.)
(DIR) Post #9x2pYFpUvKoGO2LmS0 by Mikoto@enigmatic.observer
2020-07-13T13:33:31.856941Z
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@p @colonelj @georgia eeeeh, it has some cool concepts but I do not want my brain to be anally transformed into the shape of a stack.
(DIR) Post #9x2pb04bxfuUO8jFbs by Mikoto@enigmatic.observer
2020-07-13T13:34:01.704625Z
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@p @georgia @colonelj @snacks None of these languages have a proper type system though
(DIR) Post #9x2pmk0BXYw01EFzma by Mikoto@enigmatic.observer
2020-07-13T13:36:08.997868Z
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@lucky @p @colonelj @georgia @snacks algol was better than C
(DIR) Post #9x2pniBFnXRIevtgMi by roka@pl.smuglo.li
2020-07-13T13:36:19.277089Z
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@Mikoto @p @colonelj @georgia @snacks types are a spook
(DIR) Post #9x2q49GoqYMZJHL10q by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-07-13T13:39:18.225835Z
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@Mikoto @colonelj @georgia That's not what happens, what happens is you see the true flow of data through the world. Streams, pipes, DMA, stacks...it's all the same. :tuneinturnondropout:
(DIR) Post #9x2qA11UQGNpT8xuee by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-07-13T13:40:21.844438Z
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@Mikoto @colonelj @georgia @snacks Yes. ML is just a degenerate form of the lambda calculus with a spoiler on it, making these "type systems" really just Lisp compiler extensions.
(DIR) Post #9x2qIUOL7Bbgs2h4eu by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-07-13T13:41:53.736005Z
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@Mikoto @lucky @colonelj @georgia @snacks That's why we use Algol!
(DIR) Post #9x2rQWeQhKPy9JcEYi by lucky@pleroma.mouse.services
2020-07-13T13:54:31.426648Z
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@p @Mikoto @colonelj @georgia @snacks Oh, you’re asking how. I think I did it wrong (was tired that night). I just calculated the fraction of distances lower than or equal to dist(colonej,nobody) to estimate the probability of finding a distance as low or lower than that if chosing two people at random. The idea being, if the null hypothesis is that their distance is what you would expect from any 2 random users, then, if the probability of this is super low, we can reject the null hypothesis. This doesn’t prove they are the same person, but rules out that specific null hypothesis.If your data set was the entire population, then that would be equivalent to testing the hypothesis I mentioned (hence why I made some preamble about assuming […]).
(DIR) Post #9x2rkCOfiCiR7jcsNM by lucky@pleroma.mouse.services
2020-07-13T13:58:05.191715Z
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@p @Mikoto @colonelj @georgia @snacks But to estimate properly, I think what I should have done was continually pick two users at random (entire set including colonelj and nobody) millions of times and then calculate the fraction equal to or lower than dist(colj,nob) from this distribution. And do that a few hundred times to get a confidence interval.
(DIR) Post #9x2rlJCJucpmVPNUCe by colonelj@kiwifarms.cc
2020-07-13T13:58:17.662258Z
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@p @Mikoto @georgia @lucky @snacks
(DIR) Post #9x2sIAiKTXmvkZ1JOy by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-07-13T14:04:14.844364Z
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@lucky @Mikoto @colonelj @georgia @snacks Ah. At this point, the dataset is "everyone with more than 100 posts".
(DIR) Post #9x2tOrgphmDMjG4kro by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-07-13T14:16:39.774767Z
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@georgia @Mikoto @colonelj Ah, no, this is about data moving. That's all any of these languages really do. Until you're talking to an I/O pin, that's it: just data moving.Imperative (commands, "Do this"), functional (expressions, "Evaluate this"), declarative (declarations, "Assume this"), etc. Almost everything's got a little of all of that.
(DIR) Post #9x2wiJN5JH79winqYy by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-07-13T14:53:47.480845Z
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@georgia @Mikoto @colonelj What? Maybe the opposite, like flow of control is more implicit in a functional language. Imperative is all "It does this, then it does this, then if this is true it goes here and does this, otherwise it does that." and functional is all "I know the value of everything and the cost of nothing." --Oscar L. Steele
(DIR) Post #9x38Ft50fO9nkJYrw0 by lucky@pleroma.mouse.services
2020-07-13T17:03:05.884414Z
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@OFF @Mikoto @colonelj @georgia @p @snacks ?
(DIR) Post #9x38fT7JomNSkkq6j2 by Mikoto@enigmatic.observer
2020-07-13T17:07:42.962778Z
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@p @georgia @coloneljI can't see how this is the case in functional programming.
(DIR) Post #9x39aDnTRyQpkFcRqy by Mikoto@enigmatic.observer
2020-07-13T17:17:58.384722Z
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@georgia @p @colonelj by declarative languages what do you have in mind? Prolog? Something else?(posted the pdf version for people with vision problems since it contains text but idk how well made it is, if any such person is interested in it just beep me and i will describe it)
(DIR) Post #9x3AHLO56YxpjqIvWC by Mikoto@enigmatic.observer
2020-07-13T17:25:46.261500Z
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@georgia @colonelj @p control flow: first do x then do y then do zmeanwhile consider something like html, it is declarative, it does not describe orderor consider prolog, something likeparent(georgia, george).parent(georgia, georgiabeta).parent(georgiabeta, georgiaalpha).ancestor(X, Y) :- parent(X, Y).ancestor(X, Y) :- ancestor(X, Z), parent(Z, Y).? ancestor(georgia, georgiaalpha).yes.? ancestor(george, georgiaalpha).no.
(DIR) Post #9x3AetCtWxWRHwIbmS by Mikoto@enigmatic.observer
2020-07-13T17:30:01.248862Z
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@georgia @colonelj @p shitty explanation but w/e
(DIR) Post #9x3G2LGFtKL6jCsDI0 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-07-13T18:30:18.458154Z
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@Mikoto @colonelj @georgia It's a joke, an old one."Lisp programmers know the value of everything and the cost of nothing." is a paraphrase (from Alan Perlis) of an an Oscar Wilde quote (with "artists" instead of "Lisp programmers") and the joke is that you evaluate an expression but sometimes the performance characteristics of the code are not readily apparent. This is more apparent with something like Prolog or Haskell, but you get the idea: the code produces a value but the cost (in terms of computes) is harder to tell than if you're writing FORTRAN.This quote appears in SICP. Maybe you should :rms: read SICP. :sicp:sicp.pdf
(DIR) Post #9x3GFRoipONypFFCkK by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-07-13T18:32:40.586300Z
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@georgia @Mikoto @colonelj Oh, there is no control flow. Purely declarative languages are stateless. (Obviously the computation has to *happen* but notionally, they're stateless.)
(DIR) Post #9x3GiJF9mdWWdIN4pE by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-07-13T18:37:53.545025Z
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@Mikoto @colonelj @georgia It made sense to me but I already knew what you were explaining so that is cheating.
(DIR) Post #9x3GoYk34fBORAniCm by Mikoto@enigmatic.observer
2020-07-13T18:39:00.798147Z
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@p @colonelj @georgia > like Prolog or Haskellyeah, I will certainly agree with that. lazy eval was a mistake and well, so was backtrackingprolog is still cool though
(DIR) Post #9x3GvN1h1w2e86IlIO by Mikoto@enigmatic.observer
2020-07-13T18:40:14.667967Z
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@p @colonelj @georgia also, I have read my sicp but I do not remember all the quotes from there, only the good ones, C programmer!
(DIR) Post #9x3HK1C9KsJhf0wgjY by Mikoto@enigmatic.observer
2020-07-13T18:44:40.987427Z
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@georgia @colonelj @p Read it and then tell me which is your favorite character. Eva Lu Ator or Alyssa P. Hacker?
(DIR) Post #9x3J9gN86FIu5lHSiW by Mikoto@enigmatic.observer
2020-07-13T19:05:14.484267Z
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@georgia @colonelj @p > Nobody likes M.I.T. People respect it. I respect it. But like it? Does anyone like taking a drink from a fire hose?> Did you experience culture shock going from M.I.T. to Berkeley?> Oh my goodness. Yes. It was so strange to be in an environment with people having I.Q.'s below 150 and where it wasn't necessary to study 12, 13, 14 hours a day, seven days a week just to keep up.
(DIR) Post #9x3JaDloY5TnCgTu4m by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-07-13T19:10:02.724094Z
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@Mikoto @colonelj @georgia I don't know, I don't hate that part of Haskell, but the point of the joke wasn't that these are bad features, just that they make a tradeoff and this is a hilarious way to describe that tradeoff.
(DIR) Post #9x3Jef4QzMm324J9mK by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-07-13T19:10:50.884600Z
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@Mikoto @colonelj @georgia > C programmer!You say this like it's a bad thing, somehow.#include <stdio.h>int main(int c,char**v) {char *s="B+p:ubYBGG0,|M3B=1*0N\n""it's touring complete\n",*k[]={s+21,--s};return c?({while(main(!k,k))putchar(**k^*k[1]-10);0;}):(v[1]++,*++*v);}
(DIR) Post #9x3KNtHV05JQ8ZzBR2 by Mikoto@enigmatic.observer
2020-07-13T19:19:00.864248Z
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@p @colonelj @georgia SICP says it as if it is a bad thing somehow> **k^*k[1]-10sad ebcdic noises
(DIR) Post #9x3KuMchRXMOPGO2SG by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-07-13T19:24:53.466585Z
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@georgia @Mikoto @colonelj :lex: It's really worth learning that language but I think people live inside the language too much instead of using the whole system to compute. Pipes and the network are bigger than any single language feature, linking languages together means you can use small programs. Like I had something a while ago that basically boiled down towhile sleep 1; do curl -s $some_url | sed $extract_a_single_number; done | mawk -Winteractive $small_awk_program_that_spat_out_a_tk_program_and_then_spat_out_more_tk_commands_based_on_input | wishAnd it was 15 lines of code to do a whole window that told me something I wanted to know, flashed red if something bad happened, etc. Doing that took a fraction of the effort that it would have taken if I stuck to just one language for the whole thing.
(DIR) Post #9x3KyTcVN3ilGVFz3Q by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-07-13T19:25:38.021238Z
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@Mikoto @georgia @colonelj It's SHRDLU. SHRDLU isn't in that one but he's a cool guy.
(DIR) Post #9x3OGMJnYaonh6j2PI by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-07-13T20:02:28.875505Z
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@Mikoto @colonelj @georgia > SICP says it as if it is a bad thing somehowThey were just bitter, these is the people that booed Richard P. Gabriel for saying "Maybe there's a reason Lisp isn't the OS of the 1990s...I have some theories on what the reason is." (I can't agree with it, but I can understand it. Dude went to a bar by a Ford plant the day after the layoffs and came outside to find the windows of his Nissan smashed.)> sad ebcdic noises[laughs in post-1980 computing environment]
(DIR) Post #9x3OLxTip9wCON2MYC by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-07-13T20:03:29.565303Z
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@georgia @Mikoto @colonelj Eta Oin was his friend.
(DIR) Post #9x4AMb6QIWrz5HVfTU by jojo@jojo.singleuser.club
2020-07-14T05:01:25.422727Z
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@OFF @lucky @Mikoto @colonelj @georgia @p @snacks This is a nobodycc @a7 cc @bagofshit
(DIR) Post #9x4ATvPFCxgS57o6qG by bagofshit@kiwifarms.cc
2020-07-14T05:02:45.801760Z
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@jojo Yeah, only Nobody would choose an old lady as an avatar. To match his old lady sensibilities i suppose. @OFF @Mikoto @a7 @georgia @lucky @p @snacks
(DIR) Post #9x4Ahllvp9dkFx1LKC by bagofshit@kiwifarms.cc
2020-07-14T05:05:16.100893Z
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@Xena Whatever you say ma'am. Need some help crossing that crosswalk there? @Mikoto @OFF @a7 @georgia @jojo @lucky @p @snacks