Post 9x1h25AM2eTJFwIIoi by plfiorini@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #9wuedka1Mv16RdqkvA by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-07-09T14:50:38Z
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https://flatkill.orgShoutout to Linux Mint for giving Canonical's Snaps the đź–• and yeeting them out of their OS
(DIR) Post #9wuemAK7XSSebUQQbo by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-07-09T14:51:56Z
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For the record, this is probably the first and last time you'll hear me praise Linux Mint
(DIR) Post #9wufFXezquANNZCJSy by holot@freespeechextremist.com
2020-07-09T15:00:25.020094Z
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@sirIt's interesting to me just how defensive the Ubuntu folk are about Mint's decision.They're trying pretty hard to spin this as the Mint devs making a stupid, user hostile decision.
(DIR) Post #9wuggjVI1iENsrBe5o by adz@mastodon.technology
2020-07-09T15:14:40Z
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@sir I don't like snaps or flatpaks either, but sometimes it's the only way to install an app on non-Ubuntu distros.
(DIR) Post #9wuibDtOKSNIIsxcXY by alsternerd@social.tchncs.de
2020-07-09T15:36:19Z
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@sir feels like docker.
(DIR) Post #9wv3P9GJofSZVPlh5c by IzzyOnDroid@mastodon.technology
2020-07-09T19:29:44Z
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@sir I'm not sure about "last time". You never know what crap Ubuntu comes up with next and Mint has to fix. Remember all your "local" searches turning up results from Bezos? That was when I stopped using Ubuntu and switched to Mint (for my workstations; servers of course run Debian). Wasn't disappointed yet. But neither had the time to try out other alternatives…
(DIR) Post #9wv7KVnJ0ys7kxF5FI by nurinoas@social.tchncs.de
2020-07-09T20:11:26Z
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@IzzyOnDroid @sir I moved away from #linuxmint because the development of #cinnamon lacks new innovation for mre #productivity. #kde #plasma sees more steady development.W.r.t. #ubuntu see this:https://fosstodon.org/@Linux4Everyone/104485157415101870https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2020/07/09/google-and-ubuntu-desktop-linux-flutter/#7c01fbfa2dbd#ubuntu integrates #flutter #sdk from #google Will it include #privacy invading #trackers?
(DIR) Post #9wv7KWB3afs2wcM3Ga by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-07-09T20:13:58Z
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@nurinoas @IzzyOnDroid #hashtag #hashtag #hashtag #hashtag #hashtag #hashtag #hashtag #hashtag #hashtag #hashtag #hashtag #hashtag #hashtag #hashtag #hashtag
(DIR) Post #9wv7VnzZhCc7NiMlYO by nurinoas@social.tchncs.de
2020-07-09T20:15:43Z
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@sir Do you not like people to find toots for a certain topic?I use hashtag search a lot with @fedilab Really cool to monitor some topic.Cheers & enjoy your day!
(DIR) Post #9wv7n6nz0DtoeUC9xI by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-07-09T20:17:50Z
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@nurinoas @fedilab it comes across with the same vibe as corporate spam bullshit
(DIR) Post #9wv8JrQTCesMVhoYmO by nurinoas@social.tchncs.de
2020-07-09T20:24:51Z
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@sir @fedilab so hopefully 1 day masto will get fulltextsearch...
(DIR) Post #9wygTXnwzOQOT3SxUW by spacekookie@octodon.social
2020-07-11T13:31:00Z
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@sir erm, what? What does this have to do with snaps?!
(DIR) Post #9wygiPFR5KeWH0PPhQ by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-07-11T13:34:39Z
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@spacekookie snaps, flatpak, appimage, literally the same thing
(DIR) Post #9wyhJZP0IJIoTsbaUK by spacekookie@octodon.social
2020-07-11T13:41:15Z
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@sir app imagine doesn't pretend to have a sandbox iirc but yes, fair point with snaps vs flatpaks x)
(DIR) Post #9wypeo6jcAWlnrhJo0 by TimSueberkrueb@mastodon.social
2020-07-11T15:13:27Z
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@sir @spacekookie while outdated bundled dependencies are an inherent problem of all of those formats, at least in my experience, popular snap apps receive frequent updates, especially those that are official (e.g. VSCode, Inkscape, PyCharm - which are mentioned in the post).
(DIR) Post #9x1h21fl1xDMQAxKD2 by TimSueberkrueb@mastodon.social
2020-07-11T15:15:40Z
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@sir @spacekookie Also, snaps have the potential to alleviate this problem with auto-updates. In the end, it's up to the publisher to keep their stuff up-to-date.
(DIR) Post #9x1h22nErcnDtfSoVc by spacekookie@octodon.social
2020-07-11T15:16:35Z
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@TimSueberkrueb @sir which they won't do lol.The idea that application authors are the best authority on how to publish their app is such bullshit. Most devs don't really know how computers work unfortunately
(DIR) Post #9x1h23dhiYlCWO0iHo by TimSueberkrueb@mastodon.social
2020-07-11T15:23:44Z
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@spacekookie @sir This may or may not be true, but what is the best authority to publish applications, then? Assuming I am an application author, what should I do to target a reasonably wide chunk of the desktop linux ecosystem?
(DIR) Post #9x1h24ToaoRb80OKVk by spacekookie@octodon.social
2020-07-11T15:25:51Z
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@TimSueberkrueb @sir The best authority on how to package and distribute an application are the people who maintain the distribution channels.I understand why flatpak et al came about because this can be a painful process, especially on distros like fedora or whatever. But it doesn't need to be!If you make the packaging experience simple enough, random people who use the distro will package stuff for you. See nix or voidlinux. For both people have packaged my apps for me without me asking
(DIR) Post #9x1h25AM2eTJFwIIoi by plfiorini@fosstodon.org
2020-07-13T00:17:21Z
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@spacekookie @TimSueberkrueb @sir The problem is not getting your stuff packaged by a distro. The problem is lack of an ABI on Linux. Windows, macOS and Android all solved the problem. Flatpak solved it too. As an app developer I want users to enjoy my work immediately and an all distros. Without worrying about dependencies and distro release cycles.
(DIR) Post #9x1h26ku8FIoBaP0QS by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-07-13T00:22:04Z
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@plfiorini @spacekookie @TimSueberkrueb this makes you a bad developer (or at least lazy to the point of being harmful). There are important reasons these systems are in place.https://drewdevault.com/2019/12/09/Developers-shouldnt-distribute.html
(DIR) Post #9x2A2VlC3wTcPJ59ay by plfiorini@fosstodon.org
2020-07-13T05:47:04Z
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@sir @spacekookie @TimSueberkrueb So you want a gatekeeper that verifies what gets packaged for you? Then don't install random flatpaks rather install only what comes from Flathub
(DIR) Post #9x2dySS1QC7xbu68nI by spacekookie@octodon.social
2020-07-13T05:52:27Z
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@plfiorini @sir @TimSueberkrueb I'm sorry but how is the trust problem solved by just installing stuff from flathub?
(DIR) Post #9x2dyTEwUJG83czD2u by plfiorini@fosstodon.org
2020-07-13T09:09:50Z
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@spacekookie @sir @TimSueberkrueb Flathub is not a place where you put random programs in like AUR. There is at least a review before an app gets in. You guys are confusing tech problems with policies. I can install random PPAs or packages just like with Flatpak. Heck Fedora made a Flatpak runtime and apps, maintained by them. There you go. Flatpak and Snap all solve problems that packages can't and they don't prevent trust by design.
(DIR) Post #9x2dyTbd7xPJBzbKPQ by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-07-13T11:22:29Z
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@plfiorini @spacekookie @TimSueberkrueb yeah, including proprietary bullshit, non-reproducible packages, ancient dependencies with a colorful selection of vulnerabilities, all wrapped up in a "sandbox" which is nothing of the sort.
(DIR) Post #9x36yLZHuPruvznPOa by plfiorini@fosstodon.org
2020-07-13T16:47:28Z
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@sir @spacekookie @TimSueberkrueb Dude you can do the exact same bullshit with regular packages. You are blaming tech instead of blaming bad policies.
(DIR) Post #9x39jKfXGmnLfFFaQC by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-07-13T17:17:51Z
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@plfiorini @spacekookie @TimSueberkrueb no, you can't, that's not how it works. RTFA I sent you earlier