Post 9x0nOp6uJ7PSghwt4C by pastelpunkbandit@hellsite.site
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(DIR) Post #9x0nFK4kKChvpRPLQO by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2020-07-12T13:58:13.280492Z
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Every time I see tech reviewers and benchmarks and so on I need to remind myself "these guys run outrageously expensive builds with over-the-top specs that most of the time won't be nearly close to match what I need"
(DIR) Post #9x0nOp6uJ7PSghwt4C by pastelpunkbandit@hellsite.site
2020-07-12T13:59:49Z
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@xerz true lmfao like fuck using this laptop from 2013 is still perfectly viable
(DIR) Post #9x0nUW63udTpSJGhG4 by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2020-07-12T14:01:00.279328Z
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It's not that what they measure isn't true or is irrelevant. It's that unless you really want that HDR10 4K 240fps gaming at any cost, are constantly rendering movies on your desktop, seeing how proteins interact in realtime or anything like that, the performance gains and the extra cost are completely pointless, even for moderately advanced workflows.
(DIR) Post #9x0neuWDy13q5wSgRk by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2020-07-12T14:02:52.160015Z
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I bet most people in fedi will be fine with a last gen Athlon. Yes, I said an Athlon. And those who game would be perfectly fine with a Renoir APU too.
(DIR) Post #9x0nxIe708jq8Wv50q by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2020-07-12T14:06:12.374702Z
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@pastelpunkbandit I'm here with my Late 2009 iMac, and if it wasn't for some weird freezes I'm getting due to driver bugs on Debian (so not a performance issue), it's definitely usable for a lot of things I do.It's not good for editing video, 3D stuff or compiling large projects though, so I do need to change it. But even then my first step is going to be a Raspberry Pi, because they're that good nowadays.
(DIR) Post #9x0o1CVHmRTEFEeRqy by blobyoumu@blob.cat
2020-07-12T14:06:55.537974Z
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@xerz i am happy with first gen athlon 64
(DIR) Post #9x0oOXadY2X6IrHeaW by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2020-07-12T14:11:07.354913Z
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@blobyoumu Oof that one sounds too far, can you even play videos at 720p/30fps?But yeah, computers have been more than enough for typical home/office stuff for a gooooood while already.
(DIR) Post #9x0oSoa6JgYw9w4T2m by pastelpunkbandit@hellsite.site
2020-07-12T14:07:15Z
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@xerz OH yeahthe pi4 looks literally so fuckging good holy shit
(DIR) Post #9x0oY5RZ3B21u9aldY by Cowwan@antabaka.me
2020-07-12T14:10:33Z
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@xerz Lol, yeah. Like, some upgrades are super worth it, but I've spent way too much money chasing numbers I don't need because I got caught up in benchmarks.
(DIR) Post #9x0oea0YKFseR53Nz6 by blobyoumu@blob.cat
2020-07-12T14:14:02.438482Z
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@xerz with decent gpus, yes.When i had gt 650 i could run even 1080p with no prob (well maybe 1-3 frame drop)With current gt730 720p lags a little (like 4-5 frames drop)
(DIR) Post #9x0om8yIjJkctubi5Y by blobyoumu@blob.cat
2020-07-12T14:15:24.156729Z
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@xerz but this is in browser, in vlc you verumuch can watch youtube and twitch
(DIR) Post #9x0p2t8SrSdsi1LU2a by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2020-07-12T14:18:24.633125Z
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@Cowwan Aww, I hope the spent money is fine :blobcatheart:From what I can tell, basically anything you build with pieces from the last two years or so should work perfectly well for the next few years, no matter the price. CPU power is supercheap, GPUs are going down right now too, SSDs are always fast enough (so just look for the one that won't freeze or break too easily), RAM (latency) is only crucial for games and big-sized projects. Not much worth optimizing beyond out-of-the-box specs either.
(DIR) Post #9x0pCs8tPNmeWbJ49A by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2020-07-12T14:20:11.885321Z
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@blobyoumu Yeah, I was thinking about Youtube on the browser and alike, since that's the comfy thing. To be fair, I do tend to assume old computers don't have any GPUs either, so that should make up for the most part.
(DIR) Post #9x0pdlOSbnjrPcPXLk by blobyoumu@blob.cat
2020-07-12T14:25:06.094348Z
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@xerz yeah Ahlon 64 is great tho
(DIR) Post #9x0prIfUCosQNNpTs0 by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2020-07-12T14:27:30.633175Z
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@blobyoumu BTW, what distro are you running? I had great experiences on a Pentium III with Musl, so perhaps Musl Alpine can speed things up?
(DIR) Post #9x0qFKaMjE73GytQki by blobyoumu@blob.cat
2020-07-12T14:31:52.952457Z
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@xerz musl in general is great because it is refreshed and got rid of a lot of legacy stuff.So kinda it sounds weird it running on Pentium III, so is good to hear it works, i guess.I used always debian on it.Maybe i should try Alpine on it, i jist don't use it very frequently, it is too loud to be a server and power hungry....I shall see!
(DIR) Post #9x0qbuAZ6pKY0NaauG by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2020-07-12T14:35:44.247049Z
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@blobyoumu Yeah, Firefox takes a while to do stuff (Telegram Web, Twitter and Mastodon/Pleroma being barely usable), but otherwise it works well! It *can* play 720p30fps.... on a Totem/VLC/MPV window. Couldn't get either working well on Debian or Glibc Void with MATE, Haiku also does the trick.
(DIR) Post #9x0tSmy0omgkvJ3vRQ by Cowwan@antabaka.me
2020-07-12T14:56:53Z
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@xerz @pastelpunkbandit Like, yeah, that'd be a core 2 duo. I'd want to put more ram in it and an ssd, but for doing basic stuff on Linux that's probably perfectly serviceable.
(DIR) Post #9x0tSnh27OhXAw7scC by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2020-07-12T15:06:37.458948Z
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@Cowwan @pastelpunkbandit yep! Got it to 8GB, can't open it up for the SDD but at least it has a 7200RPM HDD so that works just fine.
(DIR) Post #9x0teB2LfPeMlCWMDY by Cowwan@antabaka.me
2020-07-12T14:52:04Z
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@xerz It'd be nice to have it back, but tbh if I hadn't spent it there it'd have spent it somewhere else I didn't need it. Yeah, that all seems pretty accurate. Like, there's more fine grain advice I'd give if someone was building a computer, but the biggest thing I'd add is for the love of god don't try to build a "futureproof" computer.
(DIR) Post #9x0tjgHMw7HV6XAfTM by Cowwan@antabaka.me
2020-07-12T15:09:58Z
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@xerz @pastelpunkbandit Honestly, on linux that's probably fine, especially if you're not used to an SSD.
(DIR) Post #9x0tnjPXEbx9yXvEY4 by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2020-07-12T15:11:39.364324Z
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@Cowwan @pastelpunkbandit I'm used to it (posted from a Surface Pro 5) but yeah, what I can say, some loadtimes are like 10x slower but even that can be like 10 seconds of loading.
(DIR) Post #9x195yesmXoTn2G8Cu by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2020-07-12T18:03:05.522912Z
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@xerz This is why most companies often do their own benchmarks.Also I mostly refuse to benchmark my software publicly, I'll sometimes mesure for comparisons but it's just blatant lies… err statistics.
(DIR) Post #9x19vxw0iZZ2bU3orw by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2020-07-12T18:12:27.866398Z
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@lanodan I mean, if you see improvements in the orders of magnitude, by all means that's good! I don't see the issue with the data itself, but on how it's presented and how valuable people take it as. So you know, statistics.
(DIR) Post #9x1A1nH5GTv9HNhFKq by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2020-07-12T18:13:32.365209Z
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@xerz Yeah, that's why I tend to call them lies.Specially as most of the time they are graphs with lack of proper units.
(DIR) Post #9x1A6TX45r17UvP6VU by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2020-07-12T18:14:22.037814Z
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@lanodan ok when it's lacking units it's time to bring out the guns :blobcatgun:
(DIR) Post #9x2KUdwcE6F7RLTgKu by js@chaos.social
2020-07-13T07:28:30Z
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@xerz Nope, an APU will k no it do for most gamers.
(DIR) Post #9x2KUfENRY2pQinNey by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2020-07-13T07:45:25.403593Z
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@js well it's true Renoir hasn't come out on desktops yet, but the laptop APUs on the 4000 series have performed remarkably well ana are even usable for AAA stuff
(DIR) Post #9x2KYTyHFSzHfQ5My8 by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2020-07-13T07:46:12.363904Z
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@js *and
(DIR) Post #9x2LTNifAIm0mduiRM by js@chaos.social
2020-07-13T07:46:45Z
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@xerz The last I’ve seen was that any APU can’t even remotely compete with even a mobile GPU? And the fact that notebooks now have 4K and 120 Hz displays only made it worse.
(DIR) Post #9x2LTO7Tg2cg1bWX7Q by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2020-07-13T07:56:26.829642Z
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@js Laptops specifically aimed at gamers *will* still have an additional GPU paired with it (usually some 2060 (MaxQ)), but it gets tolerable at 1080p, which is already good news for something capped at 1750 MHz and seemingly no VRAM (which I heard is a lot better in the desktop ones) https://www.anandtech.com/show/15708/amds-mobile-revival-redefining-the-notebook-business-with-the-ryzen-9-4900hs-a-review/8