Post 9wq0TJam53NF35pdeS by bortzmeyer@mastodon.gougere.fr
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(DIR) Post #9wpzbWviH7WYmGylm4 by fribbledom@mastodon.social
2020-07-07T08:50:33Z
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IPv6's design was a mistake. There, I said it.
(DIR) Post #9wq0TJam53NF35pdeS by bortzmeyer@mastodon.gougere.fr
2020-07-07T09:04:33Z
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@fribbledom You're welcome to make an alternative proposal. (I'm not aware of any serious one.)
(DIR) Post #9wq0Yqd6fu2mxeYqPI by Keltounet@mastodon.social
2020-07-07T08:58:18Z
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@fribbledom which part?
(DIR) Post #9wq0YqpVvly7a8MkkK by fribbledom@mastodon.social
2020-07-07T09:01:53Z
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@Keltounet In my personal experience pretty much *everything* except the address space expansion is _still_ hindering adoption.If something is still struggling with adoption 25 years after its invention, it's pretty safe to assume mistakes have been made.
(DIR) Post #9wq0YrQNihSXQTcCDA by bortzmeyer@mastodon.gougere.fr
2020-07-07T09:05:27Z
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@fribbledom @Keltounet OK, so the winner is always right? If something is not adopted (for instance, organic food or bicycling instead of car), it means it is wrong?
(DIR) Post #9wq10XtRviKOxYPdlA by farhan@mastodon.technology
2020-07-07T09:06:33Z
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@fribbledom which part?
(DIR) Post #9wq10YVNegfYrC9vsm by feld@bikeshed.party
2020-07-07T09:10:38.414146Z
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@farhan @fribbledom maybe two decades of RFCs trying to fix it making it a moving target that no vendor could ever hit? It wasn’t until what, 2017 that we finally got an RFC that combined everything (RFC 8200) and now that’s already outdated with ERRATA.Take both IPv6 and DNSSEC and place them in the burn barrel please
(DIR) Post #9wq604XhYSt7hUpkjw by mansr@society.oftrolls.com
2020-07-07T10:06:33Z
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@fribbledom @Keltounet The reason it hasn't been adopted more widely yet is that until recently IPv4 was enough for everybody, especially with NAT. Yes, NAT can be a nuisance, but most people would never know the difference.
(DIR) Post #9wqCYO1qDC33hrg1bc by Keltounet@mastodon.social
2020-07-07T11:20:00Z
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@mansr @fribbledom and this point has nothing to do with the design of IPv6 :)This is more resistance to change, esp. amongst ISP and the manufacturers of core products (looking at you Cisco) to adopt, helped by the hoarding of IPv4 blocs by the US.The rest of the world, esp. Asian countries have adopted IPv6 way earlier because they had no choice.
(DIR) Post #9wqMUllD2E1TgzoMOO by thomasfuchs@mastodon.social
2020-07-07T12:50:43Z
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@fribbledom is anyone even using it? I don’t think the last few ISPs I used even supported it
(DIR) Post #9wqMUmW0EFSA27hjKS by penguin42@mastodon.org.uk
2020-07-07T13:11:23Z
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@thomasfuchs @fribbledom It's more common in some countries; some UK ISPs are using it, but not others.
(DIR) Post #9wqMljEzejKinipUES by loke@functional.cafe
2020-07-07T13:14:25Z
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@penguin42 @thomasfuchs @fribbledom My ISP gives me a full /48 network. I changes ISP's because the IPv6 support was so bad with my old provider (they gave me a /64 with 6rd).
(DIR) Post #9wqVJHoevU3vDw1Z32 by elera_mortis@layer8.space
2020-07-07T14:50:09Z
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@fribbledomit could have been better.Maybe something like 255.255.255.255.255
(DIR) Post #9wqonKHkD0POhLfMpc by CarlCravens@mastodon.xyz
2020-07-07T18:28:30Z
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@fribbledom I work with a guy who was on that committee at Sun. I'll pass along your feedback. 😆
(DIR) Post #9wqoprfx2E3gptCPrM by CarlCravens@mastodon.xyz
2020-07-07T18:28:58Z
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@fribbledom (I'm afraid you aren't wrong. How can it be so danged hard to do IP addresses that have more digits?)
(DIR) Post #9wsJVR2VeJlSAeRtwm by fribbledom@mastodon.social
2020-07-08T11:42:46Z
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Reactions to this post on Twitter are amazing 😅- "Shepard might be an adequate alternate profession for you"- "Your calling is cabling. Go back to it"- "Are you mentally challenged or something?"They're really doing Twitter proud there 👏👏👏
(DIR) Post #9wsKUOLeGnUPULT2w4 by niconiconi@cybre.space
2020-07-08T11:56:11Z
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@fribbledom IPv6 is a project that went out-of-control and the project took 20 years. It's older than Serial Experiment Lain, naturally many aspects of the design are no longer well-suited today. But overall it's still needed, so far there's no better alternative to IPv4 without reinventing the Internet.
(DIR) Post #9wsKUOgD2Lw6W75Sz2 by loweel@boseburo.ddns.net
2020-07-08T11:58:18.342240Z
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@niconiconi @fribbledom IPv6 is not stopped, perhaps we (network architect people) are keeping this in all the design for network elements in the access network. So it won’t die that soon as you think. Sure it has changed a lot in the last decades.
(DIR) Post #9wsKkILOMR9FV4vlQW by wzqtparor@mstdn.io
2020-07-08T12:01:12Z
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@niconiconi @fribbledom
(DIR) Post #9wsoxiLTzqhsX2HvVY by fraggle@octodon.social
2020-07-08T14:37:34Z
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@fribbledom it wasn't until I left Twitter that I realised how toxic the quote-tweet feature is. I'd suggest hitting the block button on this user if you haven't already
(DIR) Post #9wsoxjiYtWlImu5s7U by mDuo13@icosahedron.website
2020-07-08T17:39:44Z
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@fraggle @fribbledom I think the saddest part is that the apparent counterpoint in that QRT is basically agreeing with the original: the *design* itself was a mistake...As for QRTs, I like to use them to express enthusiasm for something. But yeah, one of their main purposes is for criticizing something to a different audience...
(DIR) Post #9x80UWeqUA54hqalrk by clacke@libranet.de
2020-07-16T01:29:28Z
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@bortzmeyer @Keltounet @fribbledom It's an upgrade that people don't upgrade to, so I think it's fair to call it a mistake.Python 3 is great, but designing the upgrade path so that it took 10 years for the center of gravity to move over is generally agreed to have been a huge mistake.IPv6 has gone over twice that time and still counting. Actually Python 3 should probably have learned from IPv6's mistakes.
(DIR) Post #9xZKlLkisI1y4SszOi by cy@fedicy.allowed.org
2020-07-29T05:54:00.686976Z
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@fribbledom It’s too big to fail!but seriously… what’s wrong with IPv6’s design? The lack of e2e encryption? I don’t know much about its design actually, only that ISPs will never give it to us because if they did, we would be allowed to have servers again.
(DIR) Post #9xa7xHnmHi0b2ydVGS by dissy614@mastodon.social
2020-07-07T09:16:21Z
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@fribbledom Out of curious, where do you see the hindering at?I'm on IPv6 as my primary stack, native, and (sit down for it...) I have a US ISP.My home traffic went over 50% IPv6 a couple years ago.
(DIR) Post #9xa7y1wui4eIAdGRtI by BalooUriza@social.tulsa.ok.us
2020-07-29T15:04:57Z
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@thomasfuchs Cox won't even give you an IP4 address at all if you're a new customer.
(DIR) Post #9xa86E8VHblSHgasU4 by BalooUriza@social.tulsa.ok.us
2020-07-29T15:06:31Z
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@elera_mortis Agreed, I think people are able to wrap their head around a decimal representation of a binary space more than a hexadecimal representation.
(DIR) Post #9xa9GIxiILXE6MurcO by BalooUriza@social.tulsa.ok.us
2020-07-29T15:19:21Z
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@fraggle @fribbledom Love how they're trying to blame IP6 for that and not weird OS handling of multiple interfaces.
(DIR) Post #9xaGzl13XMsTot6Gpc by cy@fedicy.allowed.org
2020-07-29T16:46:30.401154Z
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@elera_mortis @fribbledom Yeah, that’d last us another whole 3 years. Very future minded. And not word aligned, to boot!Real talk though, maybe they should have used an 8 byte address space, instead of a 16 byte one. I dunno. 2^2^2 vs 2^3
(DIR) Post #9xaXNCYWuQbL9zxT84 by elera_mortis@layer8.space
2020-07-29T19:49:58Z
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@BalooUrizaAnd the idea of replacing :0000:0000: with ::adds up to the confusion.
(DIR) Post #9xaXcAWUkWNJCQ8wnQ by cy@fedicy.allowed.org
2020-07-29T19:52:43.809182Z
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@BalooUriza @elera_mortis I don’t think people wrap their heads around IP addresses at all, whether it’s IPv4 or v6. Their eyes just glaze over and they think “Oh look, numbers. I better go find someone who is qualified to think about that to solve my problems for me.”
(DIR) Post #9xaYCg92eqqNhIaBYu by cy@fedicy.allowed.org
2020-07-29T19:59:16.253867Z
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@elera_mortis @BalooUriza :: means “As many zeroes as we can fit.” So ::1 -> ::0001 -> 0000::0001 -> 0000:0000::0001 all the way to 0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0001. If you had 1234::1 that’d be 1234:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0001. You can only do it once of course, so 1234:0000:0000:0000:5678:0000:0000:0001 becomes 1234:0:0:0:5678::1 (1234::5678:0:0:1 might also work idk)
(DIR) Post #9xaZtUr0c30l5N83F2 by BalooUriza@social.tulsa.ok.us
2020-07-29T20:17:52Z
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@cy @elera_mortis Yeah, I'm talking about the folks who actually have to support this stuff.
(DIR) Post #9xbMzAXI1lt6d7YQ8e by elera_mortis@layer8.space
2020-07-30T05:28:19Z
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@cy@BalooUriza"(1234::5678:0:0:1 might also work idk)"Yes. AdGuard's dns-server ip ends with :ad1:0ff.This is imho a funny feature, writing funny stuff with ip addresses.