Post 9wa6URLQEXg8ZtDC0e by AlexMax@icosahedron.website
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(DIR) Post #9wZv2sDrbolIKoKSy8 by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-06-29T14:47:11Z
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Alpine Linux makes Debian obsolete
(DIR) Post #9wZv40nlCL4JEPf7dg by selea@social.linux.pizza
2020-06-29T14:48:22Z
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@sir No
(DIR) Post #9wZvEhQHaVEQJamEam by a1batross@expired.mentality.rip
2020-06-29T14:50:35.973298Z
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@sir does musl support sanitizers?
(DIR) Post #9wZvHzH7fb7MYG3ndY by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-06-29T14:49:48Z
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@selea yes
(DIR) Post #9wZvdSAPRjbYEs9jSi by 1dotd4@notbird.site
2020-06-29T14:54:00Z
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@sir @selea elaborate, because I think that's false.
(DIR) Post #9wZvpHH9lVXNw3wyFE by paul@post.lurk.org
2020-06-29T14:54:55Z
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@sirWhy Debian specifically?
(DIR) Post #9wZvuZpuBYE0wojLwe by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-06-29T14:56:23Z
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@a1batross no
(DIR) Post #9wZvua8L50yDrzM4g4 by a1batross@expired.mentality.rip
2020-06-29T14:58:09.254428Z
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@sir that's sad.
(DIR) Post #9wZvxumskHnonNuMTI by dumboLeNelephant@hostux.social
2020-06-29T14:58:37Z
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@sir I agree. funny, previously I had this in my "bio":"Thanks for the 2000's, but it's time to retire, Debian"
(DIR) Post #9wZw4sRXrLQDYJFQBs by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-06-29T14:56:48Z
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@1dotd4 @selea it solves the same problems much more simply and reliably.
(DIR) Post #9wZwKvbtqtus0YkEyG by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-06-29T15:00:09Z
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@paul Debian is the "stable" Linux distro, at least for those who can't stomach RedHat (and I don't blame them). Alpine Linux is similarly stable but much simpler and more reliable
(DIR) Post #9wZwSG1oKyOxMOMLOC by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-06-29T15:00:27Z
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@paul at least I can't think of any reason other than stability to suffer apt
(DIR) Post #9wZwfuJ5tQuA2yx5ma by selea@social.linux.pizza
2020-06-29T15:06:24Z
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@sir could you be more specific?@1dotd4
(DIR) Post #9wZwk1Ub7SchUVINcG by JayVii_de@mastodon.social
2020-06-29T15:06:06Z
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@sir regarding desktops, servers or containers? I see your point for the later, *maybe* even as a full server, but I'd argue it does not make a good desktop, no?
(DIR) Post #9wZwyS7qtXDq98XLv6 by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-06-29T15:06:50Z
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@JayVii_de I use it as a desktop
(DIR) Post #9wZxa9Rqmkp7Durp32 by JayVii_de@mastodon.social
2020-06-29T15:15:39Z
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@sir that's interesting! Did you blog your insights or (dis-)advatanges of alpine as a desktop OS anywhere? If not, do you mind sharing brief summaries?
(DIR) Post #9wZxkERn3P8hcie6E4 by bfiedler@mastodon.3fx.ch
2020-06-29T15:16:01Z
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@sir Debian offers a different packaging guarantee. You can always build a Debian package from source offline (if you acquire all of its dependencies), the same is not true for Alpine Linux.
(DIR) Post #9wZxr5V0ilF7tmQAka by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-06-29T15:16:53Z
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@bfiedler who cares
(DIR) Post #9wZxz26xCXvphvxQCO by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-06-29T15:17:23Z
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@JayVii_de I did not. You just have to be prepared to package the shit you need for your desktop. I maintain the sway & wlroots packages and the qutebrowser package
(DIR) Post #9wZy3YZKSz05X1O2Ii by x@toot.icyphox.sh
2020-06-29T15:22:09Z
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@JayVii_de @sir I used to, as well. It's a fantastic desktop experience. 'apk' is really fast. I don't get why "bUt aLpiNe iS fOr cOnTaInErS" is memed so much. It's literally just another Linux distribution, with a plentiful package repository.
(DIR) Post #9wZy5PFo4OiPDm8ZKy by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-06-29T15:17:33Z
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@JayVii_de and the alacritty package too
(DIR) Post #9wZyU8FSQwJliclR7w by bfiedler@mastodon.3fx.ch
2020-06-29T15:20:44Z
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@sir most people when GitHub has one of its regular unplanned outages.
(DIR) Post #9wZyVjtFy1yekj97PE by x@toot.icyphox.sh
2020-06-29T15:27:16Z
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@bfiedler @sir Huh? You can, but why is this an Alpine-specific gripe? "Download the source and build (if you have all the deps)" can be done on all Linux systems.
(DIR) Post #9wZydD9ZZ98RXPLBcO by bfiedler@mastodon.3fx.ch
2020-06-29T15:28:36Z
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@x @sir Bad phrasing on my part: The source packages on Debian explictly include all original sources - the aports repository holds (mostly) only a URL and a hash, which isn't guaranteed to be available at any point in time.
(DIR) Post #9wZymdFRuoq34ka7rE by JayVii_de@mastodon.social
2020-06-29T15:23:51Z
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@sir sounds kind of like the early days of voidlinux (also regarding musl), which is cool but time-consuming. I am open to trying it on a desktop (and probably would have already, if I had the time right now). Thanks
(DIR) Post #9wZzk9d7AGImai282q by eliasr@social.librem.one
2020-06-29T15:39:07Z
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@sir LFS makes all distros obsolete 😛
(DIR) Post #9wZzwgnbfTNGwFuym0 by kkremitzki@linuxrocks.online
2020-06-29T15:40:39Z
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@sir @bfiedler Doesn't that imply this is not possible on Alpine Linux? https://reproducible-builds.org/ https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/apk-tools/-/issues/10693
(DIR) Post #9wa2KDWsLNyj1BRH7I by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-06-29T16:08:55Z
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@kkremitzki @bfiedler lol this is dumb. The inability to keep packages forever fucks up docker? Give me a fucking break. This is how you get ancient security vulnerabilities in your software. It's GOOD that alpine doesn't support this, and anyone who wants it can fuck off
(DIR) Post #9wa4TXSlneCtM95iKG by paul@post.lurk.org
2020-06-29T16:32:52Z
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@sir Ah okay. Well, you don't have to sell me on Alpine. I've actually been using it as my main Linux distro for about a year and a half for music composition.
(DIR) Post #9wa4ckCXoBVRTAtJoG by kkremitzki@linuxrocks.online
2020-06-29T16:34:17Z
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@sir @bfiedler Reproducible builds don't necessarily have anything to do with docker, that's just the example given in the issue. The problem is "makes apk non-deterministic" and it seems reasonable to me to not prefer that sort of thing?
(DIR) Post #9wa6URLQEXg8ZtDC0e by AlexMax@icosahedron.website
2020-06-29T16:56:38Z
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@sir Does Alpine have a TUI package manager a quarter as awesome as aptitude?
(DIR) Post #9waBileU1kkPNwmLPU by Kanedias@mastodon.social
2020-06-29T17:53:20Z
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@sir alpine is not GPL :)
(DIR) Post #9waBjrRNzSfvd1AqR6 by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-06-29T17:55:27Z
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@sir @paul If you're using Debian only because it's stable, sure. But there are other features and reasons to use Debian, and I doubt Alpine satisfies all of them. You may call some of them bloat. Other people may find them comfy. And that's fine.
(DIR) Post #9waCEK3y8bM35PkJhA by deavmi@mstdn.io
2020-06-29T18:00:56Z
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@wolf480pl @sir @paul this toot is bloat
(DIR) Post #9waDM2JK7lh4IcAbfk by jmtd@kernel.social
2020-06-29T18:11:31Z
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@sir best joke I’ve read all day!