Post 9wZdPmxdXWRJV8W4Ce by Gina@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #9wZdPmxdXWRJV8W4Ce by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T11:30:48Z
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What do you get when a spoiled princess with a money allergy puts together a 'cheap' PC build? RIP 1500 euro. 💔 💸 CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core ProcessorMotherboard: Asus ROG Strix X570-E Gaming ATX AM4 MotherboardMemory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 1 x 32 GB DDR4-2666 Storage: Sabrent Rocket 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME SSDGPU: MSI GeForce GTX 1660 6 GB VENTUS XS OC Video CardCase: Corsair 275R ATX Mid Tower CasePSU: Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply
(DIR) Post #9wZdi7qAeH3LTElevA by yarmo@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T11:34:02Z
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@Gina dayum! That build rips!1TB SSD 😍
(DIR) Post #9wZdj5JdWMgBvi0WXY by thegibson@hackers.town
2020-06-29T11:34:00Z
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@Gina That’s a solid build that should last for a very long time though. If it lasts you for several years, it’s worth the investment.
(DIR) Post #9wZdnytwnSlJU4KIhk by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T11:35:06Z
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@yarmo I feel like with every component there's this price creep; as in "oh if spend just 100 euro more I'll get infinitely more features/quality etc." 😅
(DIR) Post #9wZdqPV0sTXSYSp1Iu by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T11:35:36Z
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@thegibson That's exactly what I'm going for, hopefully it will :)
(DIR) Post #9wZdwhr9XUynE4BCxU by Matter@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T11:36:45Z
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@Gina except for the GPU (nvidia and Linux don't play nice), I don't think there's much I would change, now I'm a bit jealous 😳
(DIR) Post #9wZe3WLui0KXZfojUe by yarmo@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T11:37:53Z
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@Gina so true, build my own computer for first time a few months ago. Every small update was so attractive. Gotta stay strong 😂
(DIR) Post #9wZeKP6WuV8M19fjNI by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T11:41:03Z
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Also, if anyone knows; do I need a CPU cooler with this?
(DIR) Post #9wZeLsRbJL3jIrELLs by Matter@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T11:41:19Z
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@Gina Nope, AMD ryzen stock coolers are great!
(DIR) Post #9wZeMnzxKHPNnuk5JY by sam@h-y-p-e-r.space
2020-06-29T11:39:15Z
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It really depends I think, the closed source drivers always worked nice with my builds.
(DIR) Post #9wZeQV5tYNE8KeHYrg by newt@stereophonic.space
2020-06-29T11:42:14.489145Z
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@Gina lol yes you do. I'd recommende liquid cooling, but it'll be a tad bit more expensive.Also, your RAM is too slow. You CPU supports 3200.
(DIR) Post #9wZeRPfdCh5RnhQtLE by lopeztel@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T11:42:18Z
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@Gina Do eeeeet
(DIR) Post #9wZeRb6cggDJGb96RM by Lux@stereophonic.space
2020-06-29T11:42:27.047258Z
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@Gina That CPU should come with one. Might want to budget for a quieter fan though. I've not tried the stock one.
(DIR) Post #9wZeZydt3yCca3hUqO by newt@stereophonic.space
2020-06-29T11:43:57.484833Z
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@Gina also also you'll be better off with two 16G sticks instead of one 32G. Your CPU has two memory channels.
(DIR) Post #9wZea3AIFQV8bitQuW by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T11:43:51Z
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@newt I'm definitely not doing liquid cooling, I barely know how to put a normal pc together. 😂
(DIR) Post #9wZeczbXwSRUQx2leq by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T11:44:22Z
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@newt I'm definitely not doing liquid cooling, I barely know how to put a normal pc together. 😂What do you mean by the RAM is too slow?
(DIR) Post #9wZedeXjjWkxP0Znua by cooper@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T11:44:25Z
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@Matter @Gina Agreed. You should be fine without any dedicated GPU cooling.
(DIR) Post #9wZegsMenojL8YvmPQ by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T11:45:06Z
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@newt I'd like to upgrade to 2x 32GB RAM, that's why I chose the 1x 32GB for now.
(DIR) Post #9wZelIODz0n30llttQ by newt@stereophonic.space
2020-06-29T11:46:00.577952Z
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@Gina aio liquid cooling is no harder to install than an air cooler. It's just a cpu block and a radiator with pipes connecting the two.Your RAM has the frequency 2666 (actually no, but we'll skip that for now) while your CPU supports up to 3200.
(DIR) Post #9wZepIUrWjSOVAmhfc by Matter@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T11:46:37Z
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@Gina @newt cooling shouldn't be an issue, but he is right that you should get two sticks instead of one, and be careful to put them in the right spots to use the dual memory channels.And with Ryzen you should be getting faster RAM, 2666 is going to slow things down a bit since Ryzen really needs fast RAM to shine
(DIR) Post #9wZeqyIjaJYCRfuUCm by m8t@hostux.social
2020-06-29T11:46:39Z
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@Gina would take 2x 16GB RAM instead
(DIR) Post #9wZew8jOEZ0kF0qIBE by m8t@hostux.social
2020-06-29T11:47:50Z
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@Gina @newt 😅
(DIR) Post #9wZexa3g7L7dHi1Fey by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T11:48:08Z
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@Matter @newt Hmmm, not to put you guys to work, but do you happen to have any examples of RAM that would be better? I'd love to have 4x 32GB in the very far future, but to start with 1x 32GB for now.
(DIR) Post #9wZez9uWIy1glgUJzU by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T11:48:26Z
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@m8t @newt Ya you're talking to a certified hardware noob here.
(DIR) Post #9wZf0MNTRF9jiubUOW by alsternerd@social.tchncs.de
2020-06-29T11:48:28Z
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@Gina The boxed one with the Ryzen 5 is fine, but could be too less for the 9.Also I'd use 2 x 16 GB RAM instead of 1 X32 GB, this makes for a little bit more throughput there.All in all, good choices. :D
(DIR) Post #9wZf2cJl91N1jvwV2e by newt@stereophonic.space
2020-06-29T11:49:08.300748Z
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@Gina @Matter anything with ddr4 3200 on its label. I have Crucial sticks here.
(DIR) Post #9wZfGGors4vt7P0Hz6 by Lux@stereophonic.space
2020-06-29T11:51:36.465147Z
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@Gina Go to the ASUS website, look up the support page for that motherboard. They should have a PDF of RAM combinations and the end speed you get. Stated RAM speed isn't always a good guide to what's the faster RAM combination on the board. @Matter @newt
(DIR) Post #9wZfqJ7ulpZWhP62pU by yabirgb@mstdn.io
2020-06-29T11:58:05Z
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@Gina I have one of the previous generation and the stock cooler is enought for what I've tested. I would recommend that your case has good air flows and if you can add fans (some cases have the slot but not the fan) buy them.
(DIR) Post #9wZg3viGcQ8m8YazfU by Twelve@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T12:00:28Z
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@GinaI have ended up with 2x16 gb ecc ram from kingston @2400 as ecc ram is not sold faster as the spec of ddr4 is only rated up to 2666mhz. Thos as o inderstamd it it abosulutly recomended to get fast ram. I only use thos kit as i got it fpr free. Ecc is kinda pointless on my system. @Matter @newt
(DIR) Post #9wZg80sdLhlFJyOLS4 by mnw@tilde.zone
2020-06-29T12:01:09Z
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@Gina i built a ryzen 5 system and the stock cooler was insufficient. The All in One liquid coolers out there are not cheap but not wildly expensive. I was running up to 90c and now i stay in closer to 60-70, id recommend getting a cooler and some thermal paste. 😃 good luck it looks fun!
(DIR) Post #9wZgG2tDlI8Ls0UqVU by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T12:02:40Z
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@Twelve @Matter @newt So these at 3200MHz would work better I take it? https://pcpartpicker.com/product/W6ndnQ/
(DIR) Post #9wZgKSp7HZelScgR9M by Twelve@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T12:03:28Z
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@GinaYes@Matter @newt
(DIR) Post #9wZgPpOimNPCvBtYjw by Matter@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T12:04:31Z
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@Twelve @Gina @newt although I'm not sure why you want to go for 4x32, what kind of workflow are you thinking of that would need more than 64GB of RAM?
(DIR) Post #9wZgQiF2s3LV16n6nI by bumbervevo@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T12:04:37Z
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@Gina1tb m.2 sounds like a dream. nice build!
(DIR) Post #9wZgccIQnkYq3K3EX2 by FreePietje@x0f.org
2020-06-29T12:06:48Z
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@Gina @Matter @newt Use https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/ROG-Strix-X570-E-Gaming/HelpDesk_QVL/And you need to choose the very specific part numbers, or they're not certified/validated by Asus.I agree that you should take faster RAM.
(DIR) Post #9wZgjtoy2jYyQpk5MO by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T12:08:03Z
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@Matter @Twelve @newt I need Goat Simulator to FLY. 🐐 Nah you're right, 64GB is overkill, 32GB is fine.
(DIR) Post #9wZhFkElDB6xySzYci by FreePietje@x0f.org
2020-06-29T12:13:53Z
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@Gina The one that comes with the CPU should be fine. If you later conclude it's too noisy, I absolutely love Noctua coolers.My PCs are completely quiet, unless I do f.e. video conversion where the CPU is at 100% constantly for a long(er) period. Then I can hear them if the rest of my room is completely quiet, but it's still not loud or annoying. I always use/configure PWM so the fan speed only increases when needed.
(DIR) Post #9wZj39QcRJcEFOf3XU by juristi@fedi.absturztau.be
2020-06-29T12:10:32.943702Z
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@Gina @Matter @Twelve @newt There is no such thing as overkill, when discussing computer specs.
(DIR) Post #9wZj39o12KKZPxbk0W by newt@stereophonic.space
2020-06-29T12:34:02.591623Z
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@juristi @Gina @Matter @Twelve that's what I told my ex when I built a cluster at home and she told me to choose between her and it.
(DIR) Post #9wZjU2j1TBq5HD5nA8 by FreePietje@x0f.org
2020-06-29T12:38:52Z
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@Gina @Matter @newt Just saw/noticed that your MB is listed as compatible, so you should indeed be fine with those 3200Mhz modules.I should probably stop scaring you, just because I've had 1 experience which wasn't 'smooth', which is very likely caused by me building a (1st Gen) Ryzen system the very moment the platform/CPU was launched ;)
(DIR) Post #9wZkLUIhfvuI9GGZEm by FreePietje@x0f.org
2020-06-29T12:46:36Z
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@Matter @Gina I personally haven't had problems with nvidia GPUs on Linux (the Debian packages (in non-free) for it worked great), but I've heard that complaint many times.AMD/ATI GPU drivers are FOSS and are part of the Linux kernel :)
(DIR) Post #9wZkMLpqdQuYBPBHl2 by jlin@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T12:45:42Z
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@Gina Great!! Welcome to the AMD family! I think the 3900x comes with a stock cooler so you don't need a separate cooler
(DIR) Post #9wZkR6kk8d6yr03sG0 by jlin@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T12:47:24Z
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@Gina And yes, I agree with posters mentioning faster RAM. My first gen threadripper scales more-than-linear with faster ram, and I think modern Ryzen's are even more speed-hungry when it comes to ram. At least ddr4-3200 with lowish CAS should be good.
(DIR) Post #9wZkpqvm6LPb1R1LQO by FreePietje@x0f.org
2020-06-29T12:54:00Z
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@Gina @Matter @Twelve @newt 64GB should be enough for everyone 😂 32GB is probably fine, 64GB may/might be useful (some day), 128GB seems (way) overkill.So using 16GB modules seems like the wisest choice. You can now buy 2 of them and still have the option to go for 4 if you later decide you want 64GB after all.
(DIR) Post #9wZkuDxaQAstbWx7NA by FreePietje@x0f.org
2020-06-29T12:54:49Z
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@Gina @Matter @Twelve @newt 64GB should be enough for anybody 😂 32GB is probably fine, 64GB may/might be useful (some day), 128GB seems (way) overkill.So using 16GB modules seems like the wisest choice. You can now buy 2 of them and still have the option to go for 4 if you later decide you want 64GB after all.
(DIR) Post #9wZlMabPpZJhw96kWe by ijurisic@mastodon.social
2020-06-29T12:59:50Z
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@Gina Nice PC configuration
(DIR) Post #9wZm6K4Vck61zLWVyC by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T13:08:07Z
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@newt @juristi @Matter @Twelve Sometimes the trash takes itself out.
(DIR) Post #9wZmas3bpal451fXWK by thegibson@hackers.town
2020-06-29T13:13:21Z
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@Gina I built a similar spec about 2 years ago. no complaints yet.Overpowered just means you don't replace it every year. :)I did recently upgrade from a GTX1060 to a GTX1660...
(DIR) Post #9wZnA8On46aGtkOK1o by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T13:20:03Z
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@thegibson Did you feel it made a big difference, upgrading from the GTZ1060 to the GTZ1660?
(DIR) Post #9wZnEkNbnLZhqu2PtQ by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T13:20:51Z
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@thegibson *GTX
(DIR) Post #9wZnR2n9AKloQlqZUW by thegibson@hackers.town
2020-06-29T13:22:47Z
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@Gina I originally upgraded to twin 1660's as it fit my model requiring the ability to get more cores for hashcracking... it is a pretty significant upgrade, but if you are not gaming, hashcracking, or requiring Tensor cores... you may not notice a huge difference... the 1060 was a great general performer as well.
(DIR) Post #9wZoYKyi2ycwogISwq by gray@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T13:35:35Z
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@Gina *pats his trusty Core i5 3570 from 2012*Don't worry baby, I still love you even if I do look at newer, shinier things.
(DIR) Post #9wZpC2sok8n8HMTWZk by newt@stereophonic.space
2020-06-29T13:42:53.314228Z
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@Gina @juristi @Matter @Twelve ok that's just rude
(DIR) Post #9wZpFTiDRxs8MA9Z7g by juristi@fedi.absturztau.be
2020-06-29T13:42:46.967606Z
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@newt @Gina @Matter @TwelveI hope you chose wisely.A well-designed cluster can keep you warm *every* night.
(DIR) Post #9wZpFUADlqH1l1Fvm4 by newt@stereophonic.space
2020-06-29T13:43:29.832728Z
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@juristi @Gina @Matter @Twelve yeah, it was around 40 degrees with that thing running in my apartment.
(DIR) Post #9wZpfWVHh68IXjWXgW by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T13:48:06Z
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@newt @juristi @Matter @Twelve sorry 😂
(DIR) Post #9wZtT31Pse5XRsrO2C by sexybiggetje@mastodon.social
2020-06-29T14:30:38Z
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@GinaWell at least it will be ready for the coming five years
(DIR) Post #9wZtbpnmOw0f3Pfgwa by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T14:32:16Z
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Jeeeesus I just did a basic comparison of these features with the MacBook Pro (2019). Assuming that comparing the AMD Ryzen 9 3900x with the Intel i9 (??) CPU, and keeping all other specs sort of the same, the MacBook Pro costs about double the price of this build.
(DIR) Post #9wZtnZYMdgFA8Q3ezI by juh@hostsharing.coop
2020-06-29T14:33:25Z
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@Gina But you get a nice apple, too.
(DIR) Post #9wZtskqu3ao0csCUwy by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T14:33:58Z
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Jeeeesus I just did a basic comparison of these features with the MacBook Pro (2019). Assuming that a comparison between the AMD Ryzen 9 3900x and the Intel i9 (??) CPU would be fair, and keeping all other specs sort of the same, the MacBook Pro costs about double the price of this build.
(DIR) Post #9wZuCPK5oNrve7E0Y4 by edebill@wandering.shop
2020-06-29T14:38:39Z
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@Gina Not fair at all. The MacBook Pro i9 processor is a laptop class CPU, where I believe you got desktop class - much more powerful.
(DIR) Post #9wZuGS7hLK5tUMM9Zo by Matter@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T14:38:49Z
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@Gina You're forgetting about the included cheese grater though. I think it's a tie, considering that
(DIR) Post #9wZuMzHcy1gG4R7ImW by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T14:40:27Z
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@edebill Yeah and there's something to say for the extremely thin and portable design of a macbook. I just passionately hate the Apple OS, so it wouldn't ever be an option for me.
(DIR) Post #9wZuRvyQhRjpFnUnyq by utahcon@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T14:40:55Z
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@Gina that's been constant for a year years now. Their hardware is almost always 2-3x normal builds
(DIR) Post #9wZueLG4WBmD9CfFk8 by edebill@wandering.shop
2020-06-29T14:43:50Z
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@Gina I'm pretty solidly in the Mac camp, but there's always the temptation to build a really powerful desktop and run Linux on it just because that would be really fun.
(DIR) Post #9wZuk6yOXiM0a39BtQ by blacklight447@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-29T14:45:01Z
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@Gina @edebill you can just install linux on them though :p, im hoping that lenovo brings out a thinkpad with a ryzen 4800u, 8 cores 16 threads on 15 watt tdp. Bundle that with some speedy 16 GB of ddr4 ram and a one TeraByte nvme M.2 storage, awwwwwwwwh yeah.
(DIR) Post #9wZuru80BU1r3iMBQO by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T14:46:27Z
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@blacklight447 @edebill please sir, I can only spend so much money.
(DIR) Post #9wZv0Z4hpRT6MzwdLE by blacklight447@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-29T14:48:00Z
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@juristi @Gina @Matter @Twelve @newt just get your granma an epic 64 core for her word proccesing computer.
(DIR) Post #9wZv1dgEByhMwU0WzQ by blacklight447@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-29T14:48:13Z
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@juristi @Gina @Matter @Twelve @newt just get your granma an epyc 64 core for her word proccesing computer.
(DIR) Post #9wZv1zmi0YxFUxD196 by trevdev@mastodon.technology
2020-06-29T14:48:09Z
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@Gina Mac fans will often stand by their purchases, as is the nature of consumerism. We want to justify the expenses that we feel proud of. Bottom line: Mac has always been over-priced, well marketed and unremarkable. They've had a few of "firsts" (compact home desktop, iPod, iPhone), so I'll give them that, even though similar things already existed and just weren't as popular. Their hardware has only gotten more restrictive/proprietary over the years.
(DIR) Post #9wZv7DOoogMNAgWVtI by LPS@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T14:49:09Z
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@Gina add to that, in 5 or so years you will no longer be able to upgrade the OS because the hardware won't be supported:(Manufactured obsolescence at it's best.
(DIR) Post #9wZv7TxnEPqKXn0fcu by blacklight447@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-29T14:49:15Z
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@Gina @edebill this mat even turn out cheaper then your 1500 euros :p
(DIR) Post #9wZwWTo33L4JFZw3JQ by nebunez@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T15:03:40Z
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@trevdev @Gina I would add that Mac has also made some great contributions to UX/UI; even if they've let that go to their head and allowed some poor UX/UI decisions to be made (long live the 3.5mm jack!)
(DIR) Post #9wZwWU2aBIh7yejey0 by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T15:04:52Z
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@nebunez @trevdev Fair enough, although I might be one of the few people who find their OS completely un-intuitive.
(DIR) Post #9wZwzmNH60HXEiNpLM by nebunez@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T15:10:11Z
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@Gina @trevdev I was a Mac user while in University for audio engineering (Macbook pros were included in tuition). There was definitely a learning curve switching from Windows/Linux but I did end up enjoying the user experience eventually. You just have to accept their hardware as an extension of the software. That's why their walled garden is so strong, unfortunately.
(DIR) Post #9wZyFAKgOz61q64VQu by jason_s_dodd@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T15:24:12Z
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@Gina If you thinks that's bad, wait until you add in monitor stand.
(DIR) Post #9wa1RJtAztDgobh1Hc by appelgriebsch@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T15:59:59Z
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@Gina ok, you don’t have a best-in-class Retina display in the price list for your desktop, which might bring down the difference a bit... for the rest: it’s the Apple Tax. Especially the upgrade prices for the soldered RAM and SSD are way off and might take up the remaining difference.
(DIR) Post #9wa2HPg4ihwvpKPAIa by LPS@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T16:09:25Z
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@Gina Nice specs, I have that case, I love it!
(DIR) Post #9wa8yiQ5Vpla8DxTjk by mrksj@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T17:24:27Z
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@Gina hell, what ate you going to do with that machine? My last buy was a :raspberrypi: 4 for about 100 Euros :D
(DIR) Post #9wa9e7cEjtkc9GNvYu by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T17:31:54Z
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@mrksj Play Goat Truck Simulator. 🐐🚚
(DIR) Post #9waA7rAgRZNppnfxcu by neildarlow@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T17:37:16Z
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@Gina Yes but with the MacBook Pro there's lots of "Marketing inside! TM". 😂
(DIR) Post #9waCf75qT0nCgEOliy by nattiegoogie@mstdn.io
2020-06-29T18:05:41Z
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@Gina @Matter @Twelve @newt Hey, you haven't lived, until you've played Stardew Valley on 128Gigs...
(DIR) Post #9waD76G7A8uiCVXy6q by nattiegoogie@mstdn.io
2020-06-29T18:10:51Z
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@Gina However, the MacBook Pro says "MacBook Pro" on it, so it's totally worth it.
(DIR) Post #9waDu7LVuRx9lIRgwa by mrksj@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T18:19:41Z
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@Gina guess I am too old to know ... last thing I remember is unreal turnament ... on linux that time
(DIR) Post #9waG7xvTvebkVd05UO by thewk@fosstodon.org
2020-06-29T18:44:36Z
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@Gina Comparing a desktop to a laptop isn‘t very flattering to any notebook, but yeah, they are very overpriced ...
(DIR) Post #9waYZbwB4gGjayeqnI by FLOX_advocate@floss.social
2020-06-29T22:11:10Z
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@Gina my CPU came with a large cooling blockmy friend that went with the 3950 setup liquid cooling, but recommended against liquid for the 3900 and said to stick with what came from the CPU
(DIR) Post #9wb1aVo2Fm7PXWdCcq by danny@fosstodon.org
2020-06-30T03:36:23Z
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@FreePietje @Gina a word of warning- if you’re going for the v large 15-size Noctua air cooler (ISTR there are 13 and 15-sized models) consider getting low profile RAM as otherwise you can have problems fitting the cooler and the RAM.