Post 9wVsEV3KMFto4fuvmi by christianbundy@social.coop
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 (DIR) Post #9wVsEV3KMFto4fuvmi by christianbundy@social.coop
       2020-06-25T22:25:46Z
       
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       I'm worried that this is a very silly question, but are there well-specified p2p protocols for building resilient communities? I know this sounds like techbro bullshit but I've seen lots of techniques to build community but zero **systems**  geared toward building community.
       
 (DIR) Post #9wVsEVF1elFyexOH1E by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
       2020-06-27T15:58:02.616860Z
       
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       @christianbundy I use English usually, but Spanish and Portuguese come in handy too.
       
 (DIR) Post #9wW5Hz1WgLI1Ih49om by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
       2020-06-27T18:24:22.704244Z
       
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       @christianbundy imo community building isn't a tech problem, rather a social one. p2p is good for building resilient distributed infrastructure, but you can do the same thing with centralized systems too. community doesn't actually need technology
       
 (DIR) Post #9wWMLfPJFuQSqAX67U by eryn@toot.cat
       2020-06-27T20:07:55Z
       
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       @xj9 @christianbundy and yet, realtime p2p collaboration tools would make community a lot easier to participate within.As things are, the lack of any secure decentralized collaboration option that is accessible for nontechnical users means we (organizers, techies, etc) either accept that everything will be seen by corporate shills (and therefore no serious engineering conversations can be attempted), collaboration can only happen between people willing to configure increasingly large and unstable stacks of technical debt, or confine community-building conversation to the trivial (over insecure protocols) and just accept that metadata analysis (https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2013/06/09/using-metadata-to-find-paul-revere/) will be used to target and eliminate us all.This isn't a community problem, it's a communication & engineering problem (ref https://wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mother_of_All_Demosor https://gitea.com/nuneco/irregular.team/wiki/secure_collaboration) , the tech is a "solved" problem but functionally nobody short of a sysadmin can use it as-is.
       
 (DIR) Post #9wWMLftnQYoQMinRdg by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
       2020-06-27T21:35:30.019504Z
       
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       @eryn @christianbundy this presupposes that community has to be mediated over digital mediums. there are costs to in-person community building, but in many cases choosing digital solutions creates more digital problems. that isn't to say that i'm opposed to creating alternative technical solutions to online collaboration which are useful to activists. these are important technical challenges, but we can't forget that large scale organization is possible even with extremely limited communication tools.consider the 1936 anarchist uprising in Spain, there was no internet and the first transatlantic phone call was only placed in 1927. yet they managed to organize at a large scale. what if we are constraining our imaginations?
       
 (DIR) Post #9wWmGEzqcVOCI0hFUO by christianbundy@social.coop
       2020-06-28T02:23:45Z
       
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       @xj9 sorry, I think there might have been some implicit context that I didn't mean to add: I don't mean 'p2p' in the technological sense.I've seen an infinite number of community-building systems, but usually that's just "marketing" and it's basically self-promotion where all edges point at you. I guess I'm looking for the same sort of engineering except toward building resilient ecosystems of friendships instead of trying to get a bunch of people to subscribe to my email newsletter.
       
 (DIR) Post #9wX0ISbEPkDmPq8QoS by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
       2020-06-28T05:03:03.457977Z
       
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       @christianbundy one sustainable form that i know about is cooperatives. they're self-perpetuating for profit motive, but they are not supposed to by dominated by it like corporations are.but a lot of things are not a business so i'm not sure how to systematize them. l like hanging around sunshine gardens for the friends and like casual atmosphere. so maybe we're doing the thing right now? creating a culture?for example, what event could you forsee destroying the our cluster's culture here in the fediverse?