Post 9wOUmMiBBAcLy2wg9Q by seven@social.panthermodern.net
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(DIR) Post #9wLlUM6iIMO3IiNzZA by PINE64@fosstodon.org
2020-06-22T18:55:01Z
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We'd like to welcome Apple to the world of ARM-based laptops. You're a couple years late to the party, though, but better now than never? đ
(DIR) Post #9wLrIZV1HGhv5MWFY8 by Tommy@social.privacytools.io
2020-06-22T20:00:25Z
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@PINE64 Wow!It looks very good!
(DIR) Post #9wLyJ81rb1RbrB5uEK by cindyping@m.cmx.im
2020-06-22T21:17:59Z
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@PINE64 makes me want to get one of these
(DIR) Post #9wLzK0whW7248FfL04 by seven@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-22T21:30:20Z
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@PINE64 Uhhh... They had them first... O_O
(DIR) Post #9wLzPcdwmmo4UrZH5E by PINE64@fosstodon.org
2020-06-22T21:31:12Z
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@seven ARM laptops? No they don't...
(DIR) Post #9wLzdYtlVQpiw7c6gy by georgia@dickkickextremist.xyz
2020-06-22T21:33:57.103156Z
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@seven @PINE64 nah mate. this is the first time they're putting their mobile cpus in their laptops
(DIR) Post #9wM0V4kFpcit3SgMWO by seven@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-22T21:43:35Z
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@PINE64 I mean... You actually believe powerpc and ARM are that different?! Hahahaha
(DIR) Post #9wM0XYMqfPVLVSuqQ4 by paulgatling@bsd.network
2020-06-22T21:43:16Z
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@PINE64I believe they were PowerPC. Another RISC based chipset but not ARM.@seven
(DIR) Post #9wM0gGvasO9k1bKDY0 by five@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-22T21:45:35Z
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(DIR) Post #9wM0lCTUrPV7f4X6Ei by PINE64@fosstodon.org
2020-06-22T21:46:26Z
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@seven They're both RISC architectures. That's about all they have in common. To claim they are the same is kind of like saying that coffee and tea are the same thing because they both come from plant material.
(DIR) Post #9wM1BylzuWduz9xJXU by georgia@dickkickextremist.xyz
2020-06-22T21:51:21.528409Z
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@paulgatling @PINE64 @seven powerpc, what a throwback
(DIR) Post #9wM1YO6wNziNwLR9Wa by seven@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-22T21:55:18Z
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@PINE64 O_O If I don't have to switch toolchains to build my nix of choice on either or, they aren't "that" different...That said, my point is they are not new to the non-intel game for a PC and have more experience with it than anyone else, even if they haven't been doing it, for a while...
(DIR) Post #9wM1dIOV4IONepzT6G by loweel@boseburo.ddns.net
2020-06-22T21:56:14.885868Z
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@seven @PINE64 yes, they are. Completely. Just look how the powerPC is accessing memory addressing.
(DIR) Post #9wM2InuimdzvHrr22q by seven@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-22T22:03:45Z
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@loweel Meh... Look, one tool chain, code runs on both... O_o maybe not as efficient on one vs the other, but it will function...I think ones idea of whats the same and whats different varies a but from person to person, personally one risc chip is the same as another, some perform better than others... Can my software go where it needs to, yes is the answer, I could load a linux built with ppc, it'll run fine on most desktop arms... (I've done it)@PINE64
(DIR) Post #9wM3cFehxroImbCYCW by Genstar@meow.social
2020-06-22T22:17:46Z
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@PINE64 Any plans for RISC-V tho? Or is that a slightly far future?
(DIR) Post #9wM3frUrjD2B0wJqxU by PINE64@fosstodon.org
2020-06-22T22:18:27Z
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@Genstar đ¤
(DIR) Post #9wM3jJ2vkxqNKGtZ7w by kumicota@weeaboo.space
2020-06-22T22:19:48.530834Z
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@PINE64 @Genstar would be cool even a simple SBC with RISC-V that supports linux, as the only ones are extremely expensive
(DIR) Post #9wM4y3lQxQYwE8JI4O by seven@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-22T22:33:36Z
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@PINE64 To this I say comparing the two is more like comparing Gala Apples to say Fuji Apples, they are both Apples but different Apples...
(DIR) Post #9wMEpMNpMSn4uPl6ki by loweel@boseburo.ddns.net
2020-06-23T00:24:07.671776Z
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@seven @PINE64 âone risc chip is same of anotherâ means I canât get the difference between MIPS, PA-Risc, ARm, Sparc or PowerPC?Ok, enough for me, but then you should not lecture people about CPUs. You have very little to lecture about.
(DIR) Post #9wMRVfwWEEX1BTvgf2 by the@social.bitstick.rip
2020-06-23T02:46:08Z
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@seven @PINE64as if you can put nix on there, this is Apple, remember?but anyways, the toolchains would be differentRISC just means they have a limited number of instructions, but that doesn't mean ARM and PowerPC would have the same limited number of instructions
(DIR) Post #9wMRjVatVB2h8sPX4i by seven@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-23T02:48:43Z
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@loweel Lolz, I mean whatever, wanna go on believing marketing that's your deal. Additional features don't mean you have some new arch. Great it calls itself advanced risc, so what... I can use the same garbage kernel from forever ago, and still task that chip. Sure it does this or that different, but mistaking it for something actually different from any reduced instruction cpu is kinda sad honestly... I've been working on bare metal kernels for decades, so if you think it's that different, more power to you, but your still wrong. The fact I can run a kernel and os made for ppc from forever ago on a pinebook kinda says, not that different. Sure MIPS is slightly different, all in your list have variances, but again we are talking different flavors of apples here, not apples to oranges...@PINE64
(DIR) Post #9wMRsK23rFCHtFJwDw by seven@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-23T02:50:18Z
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@theI can put anything on there I want (macos is a bsd varient anyways so it's nix). Linus used macbook airs for years for kernel dev... O_o @PINE64
(DIR) Post #9wMSeWQV50ACEJje9g by the@social.bitstick.rip
2020-06-23T02:58:59Z
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@seven well yeah, the underlying OS is Darwin. Apple uses it for both iOS and macOS.But with it being ARM and their own silicon, good luck getting past their DRM and such. Definitely doesn't have EFI.Linux is traditionally x86, and it'll probably stay x86 first for a few more years.I am saying all this despite owning a PBP, running Arch.
(DIR) Post #9wMUszo4qD4zJVnCIi by seven@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-23T03:24:03Z
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@the I mean I've ran non intel linux, well a very long time... As for their DRM, consider how much focus will be on breaking it, much like iOS jailbreak, it's not going to be long, regardless of what they do... ;)I'm all for different random tech don't get me wrong, I just don't think "welcome to the show" is the best message, instead something like "welcome back to the fold" would be more constructive. Consider what their dev army could and probably will do for the arch ( I have ran arch on a ppc macbook, I'm not going to say it was fun to get working, but it can work, slackware too).
(DIR) Post #9wMgwaqAo0i2UUFrCS by PublicNuisance@fosstodon.org
2020-06-23T05:38:41Z
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@PINE64 Can't wait for them to unveil what will probably just be a $1500 Pinebook minus the privacy; security and user repairability.
(DIR) Post #9wMrkMnqGoroyUXLou by loweel@boseburo.ddns.net
2020-06-23T07:40:07.489789Z
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@seven @PINE64 if you think difference between , by example, Sparc and ARM, or PowerPC and ARM are just âaddictional featureâ, you know abount NOTHING about what a CPU IS.You should not even try to take part to a discussion.Blocking you.
(DIR) Post #9wNSFxbd5HS8RbBlmC by ZikZak@oc.todon.fr
2020-06-23T14:28:30Z
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@PINE64 $500 and the dev must bring back the machine at the end. Reverse engineering not allowed.I'll stick to the Pinebook.
(DIR) Post #9wNXU7naU2tjsjM6iW by Baggypants@mstdn.social
2020-06-23T15:27:49Z
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@sevenI spat my drink out laughing at this. PowerPC and ARM architectures is like comparing x86_64 to Itanium!@PINE64
(DIR) Post #9wOHGosJdM16e0JXXM by js@chaos.social
2020-06-24T00:00:48Z
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@seven @the @PINE64 Theyâre using their iPad chips. This means no booting of anything but macOS and every reinstall requiring an internet connection to reactivate your Mac. You will own your computer as little as an iPhone then. Dark times ahead.
(DIR) Post #9wOScDhDdz29CbWySu by seven@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-24T02:08:00Z
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@js You mean iOS O_o haha @the @PINE64
(DIR) Post #9wOUmMiBBAcLy2wg9Q by seven@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-24T02:32:15Z
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@Baggypants I am to please, though dreadfully sorry about your drink... :/@PINE64
(DIR) Post #9wOWNRzyaJut29W8Fk by penny@fedi.absturztau.be
2020-06-24T02:43:42.396632Z
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@seven @loweel @PINE64 Why are you embarrassing yourself saying such dense things? Do you enjoy the response?
(DIR) Post #9wOWNSrrLz1BjGjAEy by seven@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-24T02:50:10Z
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@penny I do :P@loweel @PINE64
(DIR) Post #9wPKDqzDoyeRLPmX1E by js@chaos.social
2020-06-24T12:08:41Z
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@seven @the @PINE64 Yes. iOS is already like this. And ARM MacBooks will be the same.