Post 9wHWKfIEDHo3318QUa by seven@social.panthermodern.net
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(DIR) Post #9wHRBr9cFGJ1SP5RrM by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-20T16:49:05Z
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Check out this job posting.They require 2 years of experience with Linux and servers, and the most they're willing to offer is 15k pre-taxes.Housing in my area is at least 600 € monthly for a really shitty place.
(DIR) Post #9wHRcg7JOBaX2pnaeO by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-20T16:53:57Z
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I want to fucking die
(DIR) Post #9wHSF8Yi5i2GGAx8L2 by ultem@gnosis.systems
2020-06-20T17:00:55.268266Z
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@0x00 That's insane. Linux admin with 2y of experience should get you around 35-45k EUR/a before taxes.
(DIR) Post #9wHSGIinn8tC4KED44 by Meeper@blob.cat
2020-06-20T17:01:08.415521Z
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@0x00 15 euro an hour? yeah you seriously gotta cut a lot if you want that, hope you find a good job
(DIR) Post #9wHSlHfhkGptn0YMRE by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-20T17:06:41Z
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@ultem Welcome to Spain.
(DIR) Post #9wHSnpsFYKkgRfdbvc by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-20T17:07:10Z
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@Meeper > Cut a lotNo, it simply is not manageable. I can't even move out on that.
(DIR) Post #9wHSpNuiTllaJ7Ww6K by seven@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-20T17:07:25Z
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@0x00 jobs are telecommute these days, go wide, multilingual is boon. Verifiable experience is a nice to have, rarely a hard requirement, except in very serious roles. If they think they can fill that and get that specific experience they should probably fire their HR director, or outsource...
(DIR) Post #9wHT0MPOPqLgpB72K8 by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-20T17:09:26Z
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@seven What pisses me off the most is:- Most companies won't even disclose salary until 1 minute before the end of negotiations, and that's assuming you pass all their tests and interviews.- This stupid fucker thinks they can get away with such a ridiculous stipend. Holy fucking shit. Like I said, this wouldn't even cover rent AND food.
(DIR) Post #9wHTCLBEoBVIURCium by ultem@gnosis.systems
2020-06-20T17:11:33.896823Z
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@0x00 Your English is fine. How about remote work?https://canonical.com/careershttps://weworkremotely.com/https://remote.co/https://www.workingnomads.co/jobshttps://www.virtualvocations.com/
(DIR) Post #9wHTTseZbpqVECI03M by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-20T17:14:46Z
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@ultem My English may be, my technical skills are above average but probably nothing remarkable. However, my self-esteem isn't.But hey, whatever. I already have a "no". So...I already applied for a certain German company, I believe I told you so, too. Like, a few days ago. Fingers crossed.And no, it isn't yours. Or at least not yet. Maybe I'll apply there too.IDK man, I'm in a really low mood in respect to job prospects.
(DIR) Post #9wHTsv59iTHS04f8xU by seven@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-20T17:19:14Z
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@0x00 Always ask for more. They aim low, you ask high. People seem scared to ask for what they are worth... Coming off good in interview does more than any paper experience you can bring in, onboarding is expected in any technical position, you can train skills, you can't train personality/culture... Good hiring managers know this in the IT industry, bad ones that just stick to the paper get ignored by talented people, and they end up with shitty tech because of it.
(DIR) Post #9wHTu0HBtFiYOnoCWG by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-20T17:19:30Z
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@ultem I really appreciate your support btw. I just need a little push.I'm sure when I get employed, my mood will skyrocket. I was so happy when I was working for a relatively small Spanish company. Pay wasn't anything to brag about, but it certainly was above 20k at the very least.I could speak to the CEO face-to-face because it was such a small company, no bureaucratic bullshit either. My direct manager trusted me a lot and let me perform my best without micromanaging me, and so on and so forth. I felt valued there.But everywhere else I just feel like a cog in a big machine. Not just because I have to submit to those overlords, but because I am nothing but an excuse for their goal. They don't appreciate employees at all.
(DIR) Post #9wHTxWLJ7mXgihPZCa by ultem@gnosis.systems
2020-06-20T17:20:07.979264Z
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@0x00Makes sense, good luck there!If you need more interview experience, I can offer a mock interview. Have some experience conducting tech interviews.
(DIR) Post #9wHTzwaOWVjogvcjXk by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-20T17:20:33Z
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@seven But how much am I really worth, man?It's not like I can ignore shitty offers. I need to feed myself and afford a roof over my head. I don't know.
(DIR) Post #9wHU3tnIqSddBuY0B6 by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-20T17:21:16Z
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@ultem That would be great, many thanks. I'll probably take your offer soon. But not yet, I need to focus on my exams.
(DIR) Post #9wHULe6TvBa1jvyqn2 by seven@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-20T17:24:29Z
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@0x00 Well you can start there, I would say you are definitely worth being able to support yourself, thats a good number to play with and add 20% don't come down more than 15% cause you "have other offers, but thanks for your time"...
(DIR) Post #9wHUtm9qTxYqZ7pPo8 by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-20T17:30:38Z
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@seven 700+300 for food and bills = 1000, +tax, that would be like 16k pre-taxes EUR, and that's considering best-case scenarios and I'd still have absolutely zero savings.
(DIR) Post #9wHWKfIEDHo3318QUa by seven@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-20T17:46:40Z
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@0x00 Ask 22.5k
(DIR) Post #9wHWtUH9ASmV0sEY3E by seven@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-20T17:53:00Z
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@0x00 I'll add ask for what's ideal, nothing below what you need to live is worth it tbh unless you want to double up (some places have agreements that keep you from doing that). You'll just end up bitter, hating the job, and quitting anyways. True story: I once went through the process at a corp a while back, we got to the slide salary offer across the table, I started laughing, like full on belly laughing, and was like yeah no thanks and walked out.They a couple months later had to contract me (not an employee of theirs) anyways for 2 times what they offered. I was highly amused...
(DIR) Post #9wHaNr2ROsyaA1Wj68 by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-20T18:32:03Z
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@seven But you probably have skills to back that, I don't really :C
(DIR) Post #9wHaPCnny5BDwxKDwm by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-20T18:32:22Z
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@seven Seems reasonable, yeah.
(DIR) Post #9wHbQjS2ALFZS6QxNo by byllgrim@mastodon.xyz
2020-06-20T18:43:48Z
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@0x00 one can apply anyway. "I am pretty good. I think I can make a noticable contribution"
(DIR) Post #9wHbh6M6m8bb7eT3Z2 by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-20T18:46:48Z
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@byllgrim You missed the point. I cannot be expected to love for 15k pre-taxes, nor will anyone with 2 years of experience be willing to accept that amount.
(DIR) Post #9wHby4giEGAOsCCMjY by byllgrim@mastodon.xyz
2020-06-20T18:49:52Z
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@0x00 oh :think_bread:
(DIR) Post #9wHcvq86Te0wTpJNwW by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-20T19:00:40Z
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@byllgrim IDK where you live man, but in Spain, 15k will absolutely not let you live in your own.
(DIR) Post #9wHemgWl0cJY07bbsG by byllgrim@mastodon.xyz
2020-06-20T19:21:26Z
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@0x00 true. I'm just not sensitive to noticing such numbers because I am either not adult enough yet or some other reason
(DIR) Post #9wHiDWAhv1VbZ4mKZM by seven@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-20T19:59:51Z
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@0x00 How would they know?! it's paper and shitty tests... 95% of the time the people asking the questions don't know anything about it. The other 5% know, but not enough to not need someone else to google for them... lolz
(DIR) Post #9wHiZvBRbcPxVao23k by seven@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-20T20:03:54Z
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@0x00 When some of these things take shape I tell ya what I'll offer ya 20.75k :P
(DIR) Post #9wHjLhA72ZJxvCxnDE by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-20T20:12:33Z
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@seven hmmm...
(DIR) Post #9wHjO3cWVonW9bNXlY by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-20T20:13:00Z
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@seven not even 22k? :blobcatsmug:
(DIR) Post #9wHjPq1q16PIZy4JUm by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-20T20:13:20Z
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@seven not even 22k? :blobcatsmug:
(DIR) Post #9wHjn3XTx3kR8owP6O by seven@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-20T20:17:30Z
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@0x00 See! See! You gotta be, "Sooo more like..." *writes 23.5k on the paper* slides back across the table...
(DIR) Post #9wHkXYJJsMRntlUImu by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-20T20:25:54Z
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@seven hahaha! Ah man... Yeah, you're right. Thank you.
(DIR) Post #9wHkYeiVXj043ZnNUO by seven@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-20T20:26:08Z
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@0x00 Also, back it up with median income stats and be like... "You are offering nothing..."
(DIR) Post #9wHkwDrv11d1jqR1Um by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-20T20:30:20Z
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@seven do you really think that’s how companies operate? I once ran as the lead recruiter, although for a very short term (long story, irrelevant for now) and they were rather specific “we have x money, find us someone with y qualifications”. I don’t think they’d be willing to pay more for a candidate with additional expertise to what they requires, but I’m sure they’d pay less for someone who matches their profile (for example an immigrant or someone recently graduated with extensive informal experience but in need of a job).
(DIR) Post #9wHl6C9gF12bJtUvyq by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-20T20:32:11Z
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@seven do you really think that’s how companies operate? I once ran as the lead recruiter, although for a very short term (long story, irrelevant for now) and they were rather specific “we have x money, find us someone with y qualifications”. I don’t think they’d be willing to pay more for a candidate with additional expertise to what they required, but I’m sure they’d pay less for someone who matches their profile (for example an immigrant or someone recently graduated with extensive informal experience but in need of a job).
(DIR) Post #9wHlkMKPpx8uSFffPc by seven@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-20T20:39:26Z
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@0x00 Well I've worked for mostly global corps for 30 or so years in IT so yeah, I kinda do... These days I'm a contractor though, I bill per hour, and really don't care about their "budget".
(DIR) Post #9wHnMiYjjNbMMSDxZ2 by geoffroy@hostux.social
2020-06-20T20:57:15Z
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@0x00Wtf! That's even weird to read that!
(DIR) Post #9wHonQkGAgp4stup7I by 0x00@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-20T21:13:35Z
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@seven hmmm I see
(DIR) Post #9wI3KBZwykt0lHbf3Q by PFreak@social.panthermodern.net
2020-06-20T23:56:23Z
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@0x00 @seven You can always negotiate, they want you to think you can't. Source: Used to interview & hire people to join my engineering team. Have also negotiated rates well past what they initially offered.