Post 9w52G9oAzPpC6EAAEa by x@toot.icyphox.sh
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 (DIR) Post #9w4GwSHXtpSjl10ILo by cy@verge.info.tm
       2020-06-14T07:55:21.381857Z
       
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       Wait, so “Carrier Grade #NAT” makes it impossible to host services? I can hear the suits salivating at that. You can’t even manually forward a port!Self-hosting on the Fediverse would stop cold. No more bittorrent, no more IPFS, no more P2P anything. I’m reading something wrong, right? They can’t stop all P2P, can they?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier-grade_NATApparently, it is being pushed on more than just mobile devices these days.
       
 (DIR) Post #9w4GwSSBGHyAHzymvY by x@toot.icyphox.sh
       2020-06-14T08:22:59Z
       
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       @cy Yep, my ISP at home does this. I wrote about how I evaded it in passing here: https://icyphox.sh/blog/pi/
       
 (DIR) Post #9w52G9XA0gDJFSCZiC by cy@verge.info.tm
       2020-06-14T16:45:49.728488Z
       
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       @x Well it’s great that you found a solution. Unfortunately, I don’t know that’s applicable to everyone. If someone runs my “peer to peer” application, and it pops up a prompt: “Please purchase service from NordVPN to enable this program,” I can’t imagine it’ll catch on too well.
       
 (DIR) Post #9w52G9oAzPpC6EAAEa by x@toot.icyphox.sh
       2020-06-14T17:13:13Z
       
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       @cy I'm a little confused as to what NordVPN has to do with this, but… ok. :)
       
 (DIR) Post #9w53LWcZhPReFprNZ2 by cy@verge.info.tm
       2020-06-14T17:20:44.654846Z
       
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       @x Why would anyone ever purchase VPN services from anywhere else? (This toot has not been not sponsored by NordVPN)But no it’s just a stupid example. I’m saying people aren’t going to use P2P networks like I2P, if they can’t get them working good without also buying a VPN.Can you really call it “peer to peer” if only VPNs are allowed to be peers?
       
 (DIR) Post #9w53LWpKvxeYtPpZSK by x@toot.icyphox.sh
       2020-06-14T17:25:22Z
       
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       @cy But I'm not “buying” a VPN though? I merely setup a Wireguard tunnel between my Pi and my VPS. Either I'm terribly confused or you're misunderstanding what I've written, heh.
       
 (DIR) Post #9w5GGXjpPx8HfuCvK4 by cy@verge.info.tm
       2020-06-14T19:37:04.564867Z
       
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       @x VPS, VPN, either way it’s a purchase on top of what people normally pay. Also a dependence on a strongly centralized backbone of powerful, expensive servers.Ain’t exactly mesh networking.
       
 (DIR) Post #9w5GGXwaeVLCJUB7DM by penny@fedi.absturztau.be
       2020-06-14T19:46:20.343902Z
       
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       @cy @x My belief is NAT is what stopped community servers in the first place, going opening up your firewall AND configuring port forwarding in your router was too much.But IPv6 is finally seeing mass adoption and handing out a /64 is normal, so now users can often be expected to have a public IP per device. They will need the flip a switch in their router to enable incoming connections on these, but that's all they have to do
       
 (DIR) Post #9w5IXUMFRFpc1RNzLU by cy@verge.info.tm
       2020-06-14T20:00:15.378054Z
       
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       @penny @x I’ve been hearing that IPv6 is just around the corner for the past 20 years, so forgive me if I’m not as optimistic. ISPs like squatting on their petty little IPv4 fiefdoms they’re holding us in. Not to mention that the first ISP that enables IPv6 on a wide scale will immediately get sued by the MPAA for axe murdering Mickey Mouse.
       
 (DIR) Post #9w5IXUqNdDvzWtU3JQ by penny@fedi.absturztau.be
       2020-06-14T20:06:48.553801Z
       
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       @cy @x You misunderstanding- ipv6 is very widely rolled out already! The three major ISP providers I've used in the USA, Cox, Time Warner Cable, and CenturyLink all have fully enabled fully standard ipv6 (for NEW customers) with a toggle switch in the router to turn every device in your house into a potential host for mesh software. That's just right now!
       
 (DIR) Post #9w5Ia557s4naUxc5Vg by lucy@fedi.absturztau.be
       2020-06-14T20:16:07.473671Z
       
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       @penny @cy @x I don't have ipv6 :/