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(DIR) Post #9voRWRfSUMEGGPlZ1U by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-06-06T17:05:20Z
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Good times create weak men @ tonsky.mehttps://tonsky.me/blog/good-times-weak-men/
(DIR) Post #9voVNjpM0BR5nMUxCS by amolith@social.nixnet.services
2020-06-06T17:49:23Z
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@sir Docker and Electron are the most hyped new technologies of the last five years. Both are not about improving things, figuring out complexity or reducing it. Both are just compromised attempts to hide accumulated complexity from developers because it became impossible to deal with.This is exactly why I hate using Docker.
(DIR) Post #9voVV3ybUCasJWJkeG by selea@social.linux.pizza
2020-06-06T17:50:13Z
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@amolith " Just use the docker image"@sir
(DIR) Post #9voWgChNUuQsVM8Wum by rune@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-06-06T18:01:36Z
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@sir "I don’t have numbers, but I’ve heard Gmail rewrite also made it much slower with no apparent new functions."This is the first time I've ever heard anyone else acknowledge this.The rewrite made gmail so bad that my grandmother, who isn't a savy computer user, started complaining about it.I came over to troubleshoot it and there was absolutely nothing wrong. I thought I was crazy when it even replicated to my machine.
(DIR) Post #9voWrLujZihEGshSAS by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-06-06T18:02:36Z
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@rune from Software disenchantmenthttps://tonsky.me/blog/disenchantment/Which is one of my favorite articles ever
(DIR) Post #9voXSqxz5NlpIF6NWa by rune@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-06-06T18:10:25Z
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@sir I'm so angry. With the cache pre-warmed, by loading the page before even measuring speed, it still takes 8 fucking seconds to start writing an email. 8 seconds to open a blank window that you put text into.
(DIR) Post #9voYBQSKUwlo6TY7vM by amolith@social.nixnet.services
2020-06-06T18:20:49Z
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@sir This one needs to be boosted 10 times over. What happened to KISS? What happened to "do one thing and do it well"? Any electron app being able to render 3D graphics and supporting an Xbox 360 controller is fucking ridiculous. I knew it was bad but I didn't realise it was that bad.I found an NPM dependency graphing site to see electron in more details and, colouring the results by npms's score reveals quite a lot of red.http://npm.broofa.com/?q=electron@rune
(DIR) Post #9voYXEmyYYcUI1bhoG by alazarte@fosstodon.org
2020-06-06T18:24:31Z
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@selea @amolith or devops talking about k8s saying that containers should always be up running whatever they have in them, with layers and layers of abstraction in between; and when something is down developers should be the ones in the front-line because they know the product better@sir
(DIR) Post #9vobP6qUVO4nCS4EMK by leip4Ier@infosec.exchange
2020-06-06T18:56:54Z
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@rune @sir oh, there even were articles detailing why did it turn out so bad. couldn't find them, only this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18379394. tl;dr: google is broken, bad corporate culture and developers having too fast computers lead to bad products. iirc it wasn't even written in js, but transpiled from java or something.
(DIR) Post #9voieUO9xEWiEx61Pk by notcmhobbs@mastodon.sdf.org
2020-06-06T20:18:01Z
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@amolith @sir don't forget the part where it props up egos and turns people in to ~ * ~ * THOUGHT LEADERS * ~ * ~
(DIR) Post #9vokSrSIZCVUDJcCcy by jbauer@social.paritybit.ca
2020-06-06T20:37:08Z
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@sir Whoa hold up... /This/ is the new Gmail look!?What utter monkey designed this thing?@rune @amolith
(DIR) Post #9vol1zYeQxiZTjL1ua by rune@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-06-06T20:39:01Z
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@jbauer The picture is the, now discontinued, "Inbox" web application.The new Gmail look is basically the same as it's always been but just with more wasted space.
(DIR) Post #9vol1zyWskPylzRhFQ by jbauer@social.paritybit.ca
2020-06-06T20:43:47Z
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@rune Ah okay. Thankfully they Googled it so it no longer exists.
(DIR) Post #9vol20Aa9w3jNN5K2C by amolith@social.nixnet.services
2020-06-06T20:44:42Z
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@jbauer This is the best use of "Google" as a verb I've ever seen.@rune
(DIR) Post #9vol6yk0tjPQOS1y1Q by rune@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-06-06T20:45:38Z
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@amolith @jbauer For sure. I'm gonna start using that and hopefully it'll also force me to stop using "googling" as a verb for search.
(DIR) Post #9voquD50sJq6pB9Dsm by lunch@cybre.space
2020-06-06T21:50:36Z
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@amolith @sir imo Electron is far worse about it than docker is
(DIR) Post #9vovSzLALjy4AFXg6y by gabrielgpoca@mastodon.technology
2020-06-06T22:41:38Z
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@amolith @sir but how are the developers using those technologies to blame? Just look at the alternatives, they are terrible! It's not just developers being lazy, we just make what we can with what we have. I will gladly use docker over the alternative, because if makes my job such my easier than before
(DIR) Post #9vovYPQmly6mWykuWG by amolith@social.nixnet.services
2020-06-06T22:42:42Z
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@gabrielgpoca What alternatives are you referring to?@sir
(DIR) Post #9vox4qJoROT98rWW1o by gabrielgpoca@mastodon.technology
2020-06-06T22:59:44Z
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@amolith sorry, I just realised my message looks more angry than I wanted. When I say docker vs alternative, I mean containers vs virtual machines/package managers/etc
(DIR) Post #9vp6DkllLD9Y7ov8MK by Cambria@fosstodon.org
2020-06-07T00:42:11Z
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@amolith @sir Docker is the ultimate answer to "it works on my machine"Ok fine then we'll just deploy your machine to prod.
(DIR) Post #9vs8D7oQxsAmgWsUd6 by l4p1n@miaou.drycat.fr
2020-06-08T11:48:37Z
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@amolith The citation reflects what I've written in a recent article on my blog. Translated from French, words between square brackets are context:In the meantime, when you see the dependencies [required to run Sentry], you wonder if they didn't want to "hide" the complexity or do things in microservices@sir
(DIR) Post #9vs8YgAyOg1vLJhMFE by l4p1n@miaou.drycat.fr
2020-06-08T11:52:32Z
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@amolith The citation reflects what I've written in a recent article on my blog. Translated from French, words between square brackets are context:In the meantime, when you see the dependencies [required to run Sentry], you wonder if they didn't want to "hide" the complexity or do things in microservicesSometimes, I feel like Docker adds a layer of complexity and when it breaks, you don't know where to fix the issue and can make it worse if you don't know what you're doing.I would rather have an LXC container and do tasks either manually or automate them at some extent.@sir
(DIR) Post #9vs8mIxNWSEvNqpvs0 by darkstar@mastodon.nl
2020-06-08T11:54:58Z
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@amolith @sir ezjail-admin to the rescue !
(DIR) Post #9vu2wc9w1oR31FrcX2 by mobop@mstdn.social
2020-06-09T09:59:02Z
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@amolith @sir many of have written terminal emulator in electron. they are doomed.
(DIR) Post #9vuCwYE9e7oEMlRiMa by Bubu@chaos.social
2020-06-09T11:51:04Z
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@amolith Docker for CI is super valuable though. You get codified, repeatable build environments that anyone can recreate (with docker or manually).